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42 thoughts on “Game 18: Keep rolling in a fast paced game

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 11:38 am
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    medicament cipro 500 mg Hey, Walt, Leather, and anyone else here on the boards I’m unaware of, Happy Veterans Day, gents.

    • Nov 11, 2017 at 11:40 am
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      Yes….second that!

    • Nov 12, 2017 at 9:13 pm
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      Chris

      Thank you, and E3 both, but never forget the men who never came home, they are the heros!!!!!!!!

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 11:45 am
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    As much as I usually stand by AV, this Smith benching has got to stop at this point.

    He’s been signed this summer to a big contract to fill an important top-4 role.

    Yes, by all accounts, he was out of shape coming into the preseason, and that affected his performance into the early season. A message was sent by benching him, which doubled as an opportunity for him to focus exclusively on his conditioning and get game ready.

    It’s been nearly two weeks, now. He’s a better option than Kampfer, he needs to play.

    I know we’ve managed to rattle off 5 wins in a row without Smith, and I’d even go so far as to acknowledge that we DID NOT win these games despite Kampfer, who was more than adequate. But there is only so long you can justify the 7th D journeyman getting dressed night after night over one of our top-4 defenders simply because he hasn’t f#$%ed up yet.

    • Nov 11, 2017 at 12:04 pm
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      I agree and disagree. In an overarching sense, I agree that clearly, Smith is the better choice. And I would agree, if this is simply about AV sending him a message, than sure, fair to say, enough is enough on that front.

      But I disagree because I think the premise is flawed. I don’t think this is primarily about sending a message. It probably has more to do with who is the best option at the moment.

      I think we all would agree that Smith is a better player than Kampfer. Obviously. But is he a better player TODAY? And it’s not like we are talking about a high end player here like benching a Shatty or McD. Smith is, well, Smith. Good but hardly indispensable.

      So the real question, is Kampfer at his best (however one would define “best”) better than Smith at whatever he is at the moment—50-75% of what he is at his optimum? I think that is really the question and I suspect the answer is, if he is a compromised Smith, then Kampfer may well be the better choice at the moment.

      I don’t think this is about sending a message anymore. I think it’s about buying time until Smith is ready to play. And shame on him for putting the coaching staff in this position.

      • Nov 11, 2017 at 12:10 pm
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        If Smith truly still isn’t game ready then there is a massive problem here.

        • Nov 11, 2017 at 12:16 pm
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          Exactly. And most likely, we will never truly know the answer to this. To some extent, this is a lot like the Hayes situation two years ago. We didn’t know exactly what the deal was, but we later learned he came to camp out of shape. How much he was out of shape, like Smith, we will never know.

          • Nov 11, 2017 at 12:28 pm
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            If this is all about conditioning and being out of shape, then Smith belly-aching to the media about feeling pretty good about his game prior to being benched is even worse, because it implies that he was being singled out for his defensive play when there are other conditioning issues involved.

            • Nov 11, 2017 at 12:45 pm
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              That’s a great point Chris.

              Then there’s this in Brooksie’s column the other day from Smith’s agent.

              “I’m not sure who’s the buyer and who’s the seller in this case, but there are no regrets at all from Smitty,” Thun told The Post prior to Wednesday’s match. “And while I don’t want to speak for the Rangers, I talk to Jeff pretty regularly and I’ve never gotten that impression from him.

              “Smitty’s no dummy. He knows this is a performance-based industry and his hasn’t been where he would like it to be or where it needs to be. He’s just working hard to get back in the lineup.”

              I suppose this could mean a number of things, but I interpret this as meaning that Smith and his agent both realize that Smith hasn’t played or probably practiced well enough to dress. You’d have to believe that if Smith his agent felt the player was being “wronged”, that this quote would look a lot different.

              • Nov 11, 2017 at 12:52 pm
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                Interesting.

              • Nov 11, 2017 at 11:10 pm
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                So, Smith either looks on his contract as a ticket to be garbage and still be rich, or maybe he does some things he shouldn’t that would explain the slow reflexes and seeming disorientation on the ice.

                One of the strangest things Ive seen in 55 years of fandom – a guy play like an amateur hack five months after playing like a elite pro. This story will have an interesting ending. I suspect.

    • Nov 12, 2017 at 6:43 am
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      Yep, nothing more to say Chris.

      I was listening to the game and hearing Holden out on the ice at the end of a one goal game committing a gaffe that resulted in a scoring chance (Dave Maloney trashed Holden for it) tells me (us) that the coach still hasn’t learned from the Ottawa series.

      Simply, Holden and Kampfer should never, ever, ever be out on the ice at the end of one goal games. Ever.

      • Nov 12, 2017 at 7:58 pm
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        I think you are overreacting and not at all being fair here. For two reasons—

        1) Last year vs Ottawa, the Rangers had three different alignments. Every one of them failed. And then in the final game, the supposed “answers”, Smith and Skjei, had brutal games. So is it coaching or talent? That says to be it’s lack of talent.

        2) Take a look at the roster and tell me who exactly is supposed to be out there late in the game? McDonagh was out there with his partner Holden. So who instead of Holden? Shatty isn’t great defensively. Skjei maybe. Staal and Kampfer? You don’t think much of either.

        And again, as I said last year, you don’t necessarily get to decide who goes on the ice at the end. Depends on if there’s a play stoppage. Depends on who has fresh legs. Depends on who was just out on the prior shift.

        The roster is what it is at the moment. The defense has been playing better. McDonagh, their best defenseman, was out there—with his partner. What else should AV have done?

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 1:36 pm
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    Nash heating up.

    • Nov 12, 2017 at 6:44 am
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      Rick has been playing great all along but now the goals/pts are coming.

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 1:36 pm
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    Hayes to Nash. What a pretty goal that was!

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 2:29 pm
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    Lost stick again

    • Nov 11, 2017 at 5:37 pm
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      Missed the game so watching now. Hank lost his stick because Staal stepped on it and then it slid with him when he went down. For once, Hank’s sweaty hands not at fault!

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 2:47 pm
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    That 3rd goal might be the best Rangers goal of the year. Or the last three years. McDonagh-Skjei-Nash = WOW!!!!!!

    • Nov 11, 2017 at 2:53 pm
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      The Rangers have had some beautiful tic-tac-toe goals in the Zuccarello era.

      This was a wonderful goal, in part just because of how close that was to being offside, which McDonagh did a wonderful job of keeping in, spinning to pass across to Skjei who elevated his pass over the defender’s stick for Nash to chip in. It’s a great goal, but I think we’ve seen some better from the KZB line.

      • Nov 11, 2017 at 2:56 pm
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        Yeah…I’m probably overreacting to the moment. But what made it amazing was the pass from McDonagh. That was highlight reel stuff!

      • Nov 11, 2017 at 3:25 pm
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        Just when one thought Zuc and Nash turned invisible they reappear.

    • Nov 11, 2017 at 2:57 pm
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      Almost looked like they knew what they were doing ! I was like why is DD on the PP and he made a good play on the boards

      • Nov 11, 2017 at 3:05 pm
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        Yeah, nice, soft touch there by DD to slow that puck down so McD could keep it in.

        He still shouldn’t be on the PP over Hayes, though.

        • Nov 11, 2017 at 3:24 pm
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          I’m sure AV is mad about something so he’s no longer on that PP unit till further notice

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 3:10 pm
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    What happened to Vesey? I must have missed it.

    • Nov 11, 2017 at 3:11 pm
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      Never mind. Sam just answered my question. 🙂

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 3:37 pm
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    Zuc has NO scoring touch! Ugh! Love the guy but….

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 3:38 pm
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    Let’s hope Mika’s gamble doesnt backfire.

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 3:39 pm
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    Thank you Macllelan for the timeout call. We will take that!

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 3:43 pm
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    I think our cursed 6 on 5 moments are a thing of the past now! Another great win!

    SIX in a row!!!! Who saw that coming two weeks ago?!

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 3:45 pm
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    Nice all-around game by the Rangers today. Six in a row!

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 3:46 pm
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    Come on Sieve and Leather….time to give Hank his due. You both know if the Rangers had lost 3-2, you’d be advancing the bogus narrative that Cam outplayed Hank. Technically speaking, Hank outplayed Cam today. But the truth is both goalies were outstanding.

    Maybe they will meet again in the Garden…in June. 🙂

    • Nov 11, 2017 at 3:58 pm
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      Henk and the untouchables/invisibles make it 6 wins in a row. Brenda Smith observed the game from the press box while riding his stationary bike and eating his low calorie yogert.

      • Nov 11, 2017 at 6:16 pm
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        Man of my word … He’s playing good … Maybe Sittioo will like the name change .. Lol … Still only one real King … King Kenny Roberts Sr / he delivered !😉

        • Nov 11, 2017 at 9:00 pm
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          Haha! Love it! In all seriousness they, and Hank, are looking good. Fun to watch them lock a game down.

          • Nov 12, 2017 at 2:08 pm
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            Least u get it Sittoo , most are butt hurtiver the name 😂

  • Nov 11, 2017 at 4:35 pm
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    Thank you to all the people that have served and continue to serve in our military. Honor our military every day, not just on November 11.

  • Nov 12, 2017 at 6:45 am
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    I guess Hayes can play a top 6 center role.

  • Nov 12, 2017 at 8:49 am
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    What has Kampfer been doing so wrong? The Rangers have won six in a row! If it works, don’t fix it! Smith (who was absolutely terrible in the first few games) will get his chance again(, but maybe a bit overpaid,,not like he is an all-star), but Kampfer has earned his spot with some steady defensive play. AV (to his credit) has finally come up with the right defensive pairings and it is clicking! Right now,I wouldn’t change to many things at this point.

    • Nov 12, 2017 at 1:46 pm
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      Kampfer is not a season long player. Obviously there is an issue between Smith and AV. Kampfer has the worst possession stats on the team, which should surprise no one. He’s not a good possession player or any kind of D man. He just gets in the way. Sometimes.

      But even forgetting Smith, DeAngelo or Pionk should have the spot and playing in Nov to see if they are viable players in March and April.

      • Nov 12, 2017 at 8:18 pm
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        I strongly disagree with most of this. Yes, you are probably right, Kampfer is not the long term answer. Unfortunately, Smith coming to camp out of shape has seemingly taken him out of the mix of options for now, putting AV and the coaching staff in a tough spot. So Kampfer’s filling in, and I would say he’s done fine. The defense has played much better with Smith out of the lineup. That’s fact.

        I would advise caution in using possession stats as absolute measures of a player’s performance—lest I once again cite the end results of the McIlrath/Clendo vs Girardi debates of the past two years. The league has weighed in pretty clearly on those options, proving that those stats you are citing paint a very incomplete picture of reality.

        The final paragraph I even more disagree with. Why in the world would any GM want to recall two young players who have thus far proven very little on even the AHL level, bring them up, and potentially disrupt a winning chemistry that right now has the Rangers rolling along as the hottest team in the league? Have you checked the standings? The team has won 6 in a row and still, they are barely in the playoffs if the season ended today. They are fighting for every point right now in a very, very balanced East. They cant afford to “try out” guys who can’t even get it done on the AHL level.

        I’d trust my front office. When and if they say those kids are ready, then great, bring them up. But until then, and certainly while the team is hot, I’d ride the winning combination and change nothing.

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