Where do we go from here?

jeff gorton

Over the past week, we here at BSB have torn into the Rangers organization. While most of our critiques in the past have included some form of hockey-based analysis to draw our conclusions, be it systems, stats, eye test, whatever, the past week was more subjective than objective. It was a good old fashioned venting session.

The plan for the week didn’t start that way. After all, we did correctly read the Rangers’ moves that they will be sellers. That was written last Sunday and published the following day. But by that time, the events of the week had really settled in. The Kevin Shattenkirk injury and news of how the Rangers handled it was first. Then came the tone deaf Ron Duguay comments. Then came some in-game decisions that were truly baffling. Add that all to a season that has seemed to lack direction, and we all just needed a good ole fashioned venting week.

That’s what happens when the team, which was doing so well both on the ice and in the front office until 2014, makes a complete 180 and makes a bunch of bone headed decisions in a row. In a cap league, you can’t do that. I think that point has gotten across, though. The horse is dead.

For those that have been here since we started in 2008, we were always cognizant of the larger plan the organization had. The on-ice product was rough sometimes, and there were front office goofs (Wade Redden), but the grand scheme of things was build through youth and establish good process. They did that, and we were able to see through losses to the bigger picture.

In case you haven’t put it together yet, it’s why we had a bit of a slow turn to the dark side over the past few years. It was gradual, with the complete turn happening last season, yet it was warranted. The process stunk, both on the ice and off. Wins can only mask so much. As loyal as I’d like to be to some players, I care more about the continued success of the team.

So where do we go from here?

Plain and simple – the Rangers will be sellers. It was hinted at before Brooks broke the news, and it’s something the Rangers have toyed with for a few years. This isn’t the first time Ryan McDonagh’s name has come up in trade talks, after all. And with Elliotte Freidman basically stating that the Rangers were going to trade him to Edmonton to draft Clayton Keller in 2016, it shows that the Blueshirts are aware they need an elite talent up front to win. Something they don’t have today.

I’d expect the Rangers to strategically sell. McDonagh is the single most valuable piece they have. If he is traded, it will stink to see him go. However you can expect at the very least a Keith Yandle type package. Like Yandle, acquiring McDonagh nets a team two playoff runs and a full season. The deal for Yandle was a top prospect, a 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder, and a young NHL player. Rick Nash and Michael Grabner might fetch that combined as well. Mats Zuccarello is another interesting name that could fetch a boat load, but in all fairness he’s the guy I want them to hold on to.

The Blueshirts appear to have a plan, and for the first time in a while it’s the right plan. But execution is key. The 2004 fire sale didn’t net much in the grand scheme of things. In a cap era, the Rangers need to ensure they get good pieces. Another Derek Stepan trade won’t do.

68 thoughts on “Where do we go from here?

  • Jan 28, 2018 at 9:16 am

    Nash, Grabner, McD, and Zuc =

    4 first rounders
    3 young NHL ready players
    2 very good NHL prospects

    As I said in the other thread, look for Joel Farbee to be a Ranger pick consideration. Smallish but very fast and skilled, from what I have been reading. He’s dominating the Under 18 US Development Program and has fared very well in international tournaments.

    He’s committed to college for 2018-19.

    • Jan 28, 2018 at 12:32 pm

      You really think the Rangers make all of these moves. I’m always skeptical of the Rangers. They never seem to make the right moves whether its trades or drafting.

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 2:35 pm

        I highly doubt Hayes would get traded and if it’s between the two then JT for sure would be moved first.

        Vesey should be a throw in for any nice return. Littieri looks like a bottom 6 player and sooner or later with Chyti and Andersson coming up there will be a major log jam. I would expect one of those names transferring over to the wing. NHL center is way different than any other league starting with the NHL.

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 7:06 pm

        Why not? The next draft is very deep in the first round, which means that there are no superstars but players who can make an NHL impact.

        What better time to cash in and get as many picks as possible?

        Executing the plan and getting the right players is the trick. Sather has to be out of the process for this to work, IMO.

        • Jan 29, 2018 at 6:35 am

          Right. Jackass Jimmy Dolan has the same man crush on Sather that he had on Isiah Thomas, and Sather pulls all Gorton’s strings.

          • Jan 29, 2018 at 7:31 am

            He got Dolan to go into rehab, AA, may have saved his life!!!!!

          • Jan 29, 2018 at 8:05 am

            Agreed, Jimmy has an affinity for “names” with no substance.

    • Jan 28, 2018 at 12:47 pm

      That’s a nice haul Richter. These guys do have value and the word is out. Personally I’d hate to see Zuc go – but you got to do what you got do.

      And If there is an opportunity to throw in a Vesey, Miller, or Hayes to make a bigger and better deal than that should be explored. if not, Miller and Hayes need to be put in a position (pun intended) where they can succeed and not be jerked around.

      They can make all the trades in the world but if they do not have a staff and an organization that is able to make the pivot to embrace, motivate, and maximize the potential of the high-end youth – then it may all be for naught…

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 1:49 pm

        Your coda says it all, Swarty. My man The Truth Teller.

        Indeed, unless the coaching staff departs all these envisioned moves, if not a generational Ranger Regenesis means nothing.

        As to the assets mentioned by you and Anthony: NO to moving either Zucc. Or Grabner. Should McD pull on a Leafs sweater come February, Zucc, by virtue of his heart, gusto is the only choice to succeed McD.

        Zuccarello’s age means nothing. You need to factor in intangibles: continuity as much as identity with the sweater. Forasmuch if there’s a seismic shift, someone needs to become the face of the franchise, at least in this transition.

        And again, why show Grabner the door? How, or why do you invalidate the one 30-goal man in our lineup, our only forward with world class speed? (Insert Rick Middleton image in a Bruins jersey here.)

        Anthony, of all people. Those who ignore history–you, Napolean, Robert McNamara–are doomed to repeat its epic failures.

        • Jan 28, 2018 at 7:16 pm

          Bro, you’re missing a real opportunity.

          You want to keep Zuc? Fine, then he’s the ONLY one of the 4 that I would not trade.

          Nash plus eat 50% of his prorated cap space for a first and an NHL ready young player.

          Grabner for a first and a very good prospect.

          And then guess what? YOU SIGN THEM BACK in the offseason if you want to.

          That’s why you do it. You replenish the young player pool and upgrade your talent.

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 2:39 pm

        The best position for those two is to play on the same line and quit forcing JT where he doesn’t like to play aka center. They could take off with Zucc but for the future and for their games I would love to see a Evander Kane type to help anchor that line or at least a goal scorer who can keep up and win all his board battles in the OZ

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 7:12 pm

        I think so Swarty. You have 2 bonafide top grade rentals in Nash and Grabner. They make fetch firsts themselves, based on past history because both basically guarantee results for the teams they are traded to. If the Rangers take back cap space on Nash, which they can do easily, then his value goes up even higher.

        McD “should” get you 2 NHL ready young players and a first, at the very least.

        Zuc, first and an NHL ready player or top prospect.

        I think that what I am wishing for above is realistic if these 4 are traded now. Plus, Holden can get you a 3rd or 4th and same for DD.

        This is the draft to do this.

    • Jan 28, 2018 at 3:52 pm

      Paisan: It’s Joel Farabee. Sure, he’s definitely intriguing. A Syracuse kid, as well.

      But unless you’ve been swallowed up in a wormhole since, er, uh 2K14, this club needs SIZE. GRIT. NASTINESS. Let’s get real here, Anthony: I sniffed glue on the Express bus to Throggs Neck as a 15-year old. You need to put that habit behind you. Man, get woke.

      In Farabee, I see Clayton Keller. Sure, terribly skilled, but cute. Dangler. Peripheral. If Mitch Marner or William Nylander pulls on a blueshirt next month, we don’t need to go that route.

      If you’re gonna burn down the village to save it, by all means we pursue Brady Tkachuk. Full stop.

      • Jan 29, 2018 at 6:34 am

        I just typed too fast for my fingers, lol.

        I think that you need to read the article I posted from Travis Yost basically saying that “heavy hockey” is dead. Meaning that teams with merely size is not doing it any more. That speed and skill are the ingredients to success in this league now.

        Size and grit usually means slow. Players like that are getting beat as they chase the faster, more skilled players (see Staal, etc).

        I love Thachuk as well but the Rangers would have to draft pretty high to get him. I was looking at a player that probably would be in the middle of the first round for the Rangers to select.

    • Jan 29, 2018 at 7:58 am

      First things first…the Coaching staff must go before any reboot. There is no reason to allow this regime to oversee on-ice deployment of talent. Moreover, the handling of players has marginalized some of the players proposed to be moved. McD has and will never be a puck-moving D-man. First team PP, while logging big ES & PK minutes continues to hurt his game. It is not his fault, and he shoulders the burden of the forced feeding. Although maddening, the deployment of younger players has been far more egregious. Having Skjei walk in McD;s footsteps under AV, should not occur. All this said, I think the moves will be much more modest, as the returns expected for the assets being dangled, will hamper management from pulling the trigger.

      • Jan 29, 2018 at 8:07 am

        2 things: Good name!! lol and I cannot agree with you more. The current coaching staff should have zero input as to this rebuild, replenish, whatever you want to call it.

  • Jan 28, 2018 at 9:35 am

    Boston : bulldozes us in 5 games
    LA same (don’t be confused by the ot’s)
    Can’t get by tb as jon cooper traps us to hell twice at home.
    2018: LA still bulldozing us over 40 mins.

    Can we please stop worshipping 5-7 peashooters who top out at 60 points and are mainly assist guys? (Bc they are cute and fun?)

    As long as that’s your core the team is going nowhere. He is rightfully so mentioned in brooks article.

  • Jan 28, 2018 at 9:36 am

    Look at the pic Dave has posted with his EXCELLENT article. Now google the Maple Leafs brain trust. Be sure to have some anti depression drugs handy when you do that.

    I for one am still a JG fan. The biggest blunder he has made so far in my opinion was acquiring Eric Staal. But when you see what Eric has done in Minney, maybe it was how the coach used him, and not so much a JG blunder.

    All you have to do is go back in these blogs and you can see where I stand on this team. I have been steadfast, and unlike some, I do hedge and say “if this happens then we should do that”.

    I have been saying BEFORE December we should trade;
    also DD and Holden
    For a combination of draft choices, high end prospect(s) and even a young NHL player.

    I don’t think one should overlook the Mcleod Acquisition. Everything I have read says he is a GREAT locker room guy, and a leader, both on and off the ice. This team is in dire need of on ice leadership. Not to mention behind the bench leadership. For as great a D-man McD is, he’s not the type leader the Rangers need. If in fact JG is moving all (I HOPE) pieces named above and getting some young new blood, Mcleod will be a wonderful addition, beside the obvious fact he adds some toughness.

    Time for a RADICAL change in the Rangers. Now JG, as Nike likes to say, “Just Do It” !

    • Jan 28, 2018 at 9:56 am

      I had mentioned he other day that the Mcleod waiver claim could actually signify a Ranger sell off. Someone to mentor and protect the younger players.

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 10:25 am

        Only one question and maybe it doesn’t matter before any trades are made but it has to be asked:

        Who gets healthy scratched for McLeod?

        • Jan 28, 2018 at 10:32 am

          Hahaha—I bet Buchnevich already bought a new suit.

        • Jan 28, 2018 at 11:09 am

          Lettieri and Holland got sent down to Hartford for the break. The Rangers don’t want fourteen healthy forwards and so one of them isn’t even coming back this week (barring trade or injury). I am guessing Lettieri does not come back until the sell-off.

          I would think you scratch Carey or Vesey. [You could move Miller to center and scratch DD or Holland, but that seems less optimal and they probably don’t want to bench DD for trade reasons.]

          • Jan 28, 2018 at 3:01 pm

            JT won’t be playing center anytime soon. After his last game next to Hayes will I’m sure let AV continue to use him on the wing.

            AV has said it three times to the press about how JT doesn’t like the center position. He was caught saying it recently after Hayes went down. He said the same thing to start the pre season and even admitted himself that he thinks JT is more of a winger. ” I’ve seen enough” lol remember that anytime you think he’ll play there of course barring any injuries to the top 6 centers.

        • Jan 28, 2018 at 7:18 pm

          You won’t need to because you will need him in the line up after the trade purge is done.

    • Jan 28, 2018 at 11:18 am

      I think this trade list is too simplistic. Yes, you throw those names out there, but you need to be able to say, “hey, not enough, we’ll keep him”. Plus, I hope they deal at least one other player. Surely the Rangers have an interesting young or somewhat young player, be it Skjei, Buch, Vesey, Miller, Hayes that is overvalued out there and would net a big price.

      Personally, I would keep Hayes, who seems to be developing into a really good two way center – and Chityl, who may be truly great, but otherwise I’d listen to offers for everyone.

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 1:58 pm

        It goes without saying the return MUST be acceptable or you just don’t move them.
        I’m not now, nor was I ever, suggesting we move them just for the sake of moving them.
        Half-a___ed moves just aren’t going to change the team. If you move, again, for acceptable returns, the above players you will get a extremely nice return.
        As far as who you rate as “overvalued”, I’m not ready to give up on anyone in the group you mentioned. I’d like to see them under a different head coach, who can adapt to opponents, can put a young player in a position to succeed. AV has done just that with Hayes. I am impressed with Hayes this year, and frankly it’s all AV’s doing. And I am NOT a fan of our esteemed head coach. Hayes is one thing, however, the way he has used Buch, is the exact opposite of putting a player in a position, night after night to succeed. Same with Miller, sure he made a dumb play, and I can even see him sitting him for the rest of that period, but the whole third period, please, overkill. Trade the group of players (for an acceptable return) in my initial message and replace the whole ‘behind the bench’ coaching staff.

        Move on and move past mediocrity. The alternative is years of making the playoffs with an early exit. I for one am sick of it.

    • Jan 28, 2018 at 12:17 pm

      Liked what you said jerry with one exception….Grabner is a game changer, dangerous every time he hits the ice…..and should have 4-5-6 years left …..he shows signs of getting better , not slowing down……..great role model for the younger guys…….
      Our cupboard is certainly NOT bare…….besides zib, buch, kredier, vesey , miller, fast, sjkei, hays, deangelo……chytil, andersson, sean day, ronning are all close to nhl ready!!!!!
      And you are right Eric Stall , apparently injured while he was here was a good move…….

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 1:44 pm

        Yep Grabs is one heck of a player, but if we are going to actually make moves for the future, he can bring us back a good return.
        A pending UFA who will get a bunch more $. He should be very sought after.

        • Jan 28, 2018 at 4:09 pm

          Unless you can guarantee me that the ”pick” or ”prospect” we get in return for grabner is already ”better” or ”definitely going to be better”………how are we improving this team?
          Grabner is pretty much a 25-30 a year goal scorer with blazing speed , and dangerous on the Pk……
          Cant see a team giving up equal value…….and since we appear to be stacked with young talent…..I will keep him…..

          • Jan 28, 2018 at 7:46 pm

            You know the Rangers can trade Grabner and re-sign him during the offseason.

        • Jan 28, 2018 at 6:34 pm

          What is this “future” you speak of? Grabner, I agree, should be a good/great scorer for AT LEAST another 3 years barring injury . Beyond that is hard to say, but the guy is a beast -a mountain of Austrian muscle. He is every bit as strong as Kreider though smaller (and he can do the same pool jump, too). I would re-sign him for 3-4 years at $4 (+) if that is enough to keep him. You can’t teach speed, and he seems to have developed a real scoring touch, in addition to being a Swiss Army knife kind of player.

          No matter what this team does in selling off other assets, AV must go, and a rock solid RD 24-28 y/o must be acquired. This team has lacked a sound right defenseman since Strahlman, and Shatty is really piss poor in his own end.

          A solid RD might even make McD worth keeping. It could rejuvenate him, and make him worth his next contract. There are likely ways to move Staal and get out of some of his contract. Trading him along with an asset for another, shorter anchor deal and an RD might make a lot of sense.

    • Jan 29, 2018 at 6:40 am

      Actually, the biggest blunder JG has made is not dumping AV. But, Gorton does whatever Dather orders him to do.

      • Jan 29, 2018 at 6:41 am


  • Jan 28, 2018 at 10:06 am

    I really thought the Shattenkirk acquisition was the missing piece for a legitimate run at the cup this season. There’s just too much missing here, and I think it’s more intangible than not. I see an indifferent team that on most nights is going through the motions leaving Hank to stand on his head. No toughness, no fight, with the careless indifference probably stemming from playing for this coach. Coach fatigue. Remember when Tortorella was fired, this team was reborn… they had coach fatigue. It’s time to transition, I think JG is fine, but tear it up from AV down.

    • Jan 28, 2018 at 10:23 am

      I like that term, coach fatigue, because it’s spot on.

      As for the names mentioned, and the potential returns, why not make these moves. We toyed with a guy here, and there, with the same results, we got nowhere. I want some youth, size, grit, not goons but grit, and I want players who love the sweater as much as I do. The half assed play, emotionless type of guys have got to be moved on, and real leadership brought in!!!!!

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 12:42 pm

        Go get em Walt. Spot on.

    • Jan 28, 2018 at 11:24 am

      In some ways, Shattenkirk is Wade Redden 2.0. Redden was a perfectly good second pair defenseman and the Rangers paid him like a star and expected him to be a star for no reason whatsoever.

      Now Shatty is a PP star, but at even strength his credentials didn’t even match Redden’s.

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 11:32 am

        Barry Trotz wasn’t heartbroken that he left.

        • Jan 28, 2018 at 12:31 pm

          I really don’t see the Redden/Shattenkirk comparisons. Shattenkirk is actually worth his contract where Redden wasn’t. Look at Shattenkirks stats.

          Also Barry Trotz is not that good of a coach. He’s never been past the 2nd round of the playoffs in 18 years as a coach. Also pairing Shattenkirk with an anchor like Orpik doesn’t help either.

          • Jan 28, 2018 at 1:05 pm

            “Shattenkirk is actually worth his contract where Redden wasn’t. Look at Shattenkirks stats.”

            There are many ways to evaluate a player and stats are just one way.

            My own first choice is usage. What do coaches do with a particular player? In the case of Shattenkirk, AV has not used him as a first pairing defenseman and neither did St. Louis. And he didn’t help Washington. The people whose job it is to assess and use hockey players believe that Shattenkirk is an excellent PP quarterback, but only a passable even strength player.

            Now the power play is important and it may be that such a player really does merit a huge salary, but I don’t see it.

            • Jan 28, 2018 at 2:03 pm


              Agree, and before we signed him I was one of the few who said he was a defensive liability, but again what do I know? He’s proven to be just that after all!!

              • Jan 28, 2018 at 2:57 pm

                You’re the Junior Soprano of the BSB Famiglia, Big Walt.

                As your consigliere, I won’t countenance any of this self deprecating.

                Now pass the wine and the ziti.

              • Jan 28, 2018 at 4:55 pm

                With pleasure my paisano!!

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 2:30 pm

        Even for you, Ray, this is an insane comment. Kevin Shattenkirk is in his prime, righthanded, and has consistently been in the 45-55 point range for 5 seasons before this one. Wade Redden was older (31), declining, and depending on who you believe he may have arrived in NYC with a cocaine dependency. While a Ranger, Redden never once approached anything resembling the player in Ottawa. Shattenkirk was already on pace for 45-55 points again, and in fact Shatty’s 23 points in 46 games nearly eclipsed Redden’s best seasonal point total as a Ranger (a pathetic 26 points in 81 games played). As usual Ray, you are making another wildly unwarranted comparison. Shattenkirk is already a better player for NYR than Redden ever was.

        • Jan 28, 2018 at 3:24 pm

          My point exactly. Its a ridiculous comparison.

        • Jan 28, 2018 at 4:58 pm


          I agree, but that isn’t saying much when talking about Redden. One of many great deals for the Slats man????????

        • Jan 28, 2018 at 8:02 pm

          No, this is not an insane comment. No one is denying that Shattenkirk and Redden are very different players. The parallel is that the Rangers treated the signings as if they were getting a player they were not.

          Now, if you want something insane, how about answering someone who said he prefers using usage to stats to judge a player by asserting that Shattenkirk had 23 points in 46 games.

          • Jan 28, 2018 at 9:18 pm

            I feel pretty confident that your last sentence is nonsense. I also feel confident in telling you Wade Redden had 26 points in 81 games for his best statistical season as a Ranger. Kevin Shattenkirk nearly equaled that total in 35 less games played, and on one leg. If you even for a second entertain the idea that these two players are close in ability, then you know nothing about hockey.

            • Jan 28, 2018 at 11:59 pm

              short hand

              I said you can’t judge Shattenkirk by stats.

              You replied, “wow, look at Shattenkirk’s stats.”

              BTW, I never said Shattenkirk and Redden were equals. What I said was that these were two examples of the Rangers signing a player to do more than he could reasonably be expected to do.

              Shattenkirk was the #4 scoring defenseman last year and Ryan McDonagh is a major disappointment according to those here, but even on his worst days, McD can skate circles around Shattenkirk.

              • Jan 29, 2018 at 6:30 am

                I said your opinion—that you “can’t judge a hockey player by stats”—is insane. I stand by that remark. What else do you use to judge them, their uniform number?

                Shattenkirk in his 46 games as a Ranger has already exceeded Redden’s career as a Ranger. Wade Redden was a worthless hockey player who has been outplayed by Shatty in a mere 46 games. Dispute this? Then you’re trolling or insane.

              • Jan 29, 2018 at 4:17 pm

                humorous comparison

                ES points

                Wade Redden- last year in Ottawa, 22 pts in 80 games,

                Dan Girardi this year – 12 pts in 47 games

                Shattenkirk this year.- 11 pts in 46 games

  • Jan 28, 2018 at 11:42 am

    I keep hearing that Miquel Brown song in my head…

    So Many Men, So Little Time…

  • Jan 28, 2018 at 12:06 pm

    If Mac goes, who’s the next captain. I’d say Zuc if he’s still here. Who y’all got?

    • Jan 28, 2018 at 12:36 pm

      Kreider or Mika. Both skilled and signed l/t

    • Jan 28, 2018 at 2:04 pm

      Krieder been there done that. Knows what it takes and is excellent example on and off the ice.

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 10:44 pm

        Kreider is definitely my choice if Zuc isn’t around.

  • Jan 28, 2018 at 12:35 pm

    Not to be rude, but I find that there is a tendency to over evaluate what the Rangers will get in return for the players that have been suggested we move
    for the draft or established players that will provide immediate help.
    Other GM’s are evaluating the Rangers and each player. They will get the
    maximum return for anyone who goes to the Blues. Negotiations are a two
    way street and rarely come out the way you envisioned them.

  • Jan 28, 2018 at 12:50 pm

    The rangers have had over a decade of sustained success with that front office and have been a top 5 organization behind the hawks pens kings and bruins (maybe). I think we should appreciate that fact before we call to dismantle the entire organization bc of one below average year.

  • Jan 28, 2018 at 1:36 pm

    “After all, we did correctly read the Rangers’ moves that they will be sellers.”

    To be honest, the article a week ago says no such thing. It says things like might be moving in that direction, along with caveats like “who are we kidding? the Rangers never sell”

    BSB has lots of useful information, but in terms of predicting the future, you have been behind for quite a while. That the Rangers might be sellers was obvious at the time of the Stepan trade.

  • Jan 28, 2018 at 3:12 pm

    Defensive trade options:

    Shattenkirk can’t be traded cause he is injured.

    Staal would be a nice trade to the right team if the rangers eat his contract. I think people around the league see his talents just not the people on this blog. Maybe a late first or 2nd rounder.

    Mac can get a very sizeable return just don’t see the franchise heads pulling the trigger unless it is a landslide deal in the teams favor. I am talking multiple 1st and 2nd round picks and a ready now asset.

    Holden as I said would get at best a couple late late rounders. thinking 500 overall pick in a 300 pick draft!

    Kampfer and DeAngelo are here to stay or at best swapped for other AHL under performers.

    Quick Recap : Keep Skjei but everyone else can go. Next years version of this defense will include Skjei, Mac, Shattenkirk, everyone else is replaceable and should be replaced.

    Offensive Trade options :
    1st Line players :
    Zibenijad is a must go. Could probably fetch a decent return. 1st or something of the likes. He just has no gusto. Team went 8-1 with DD as the number 1 center. Over rated to the highest level.

    Buch: He is a keeper.

    Krieder : Another franchise keeper. Gets the game and has gusto. Good leadership qualities

    2nd Line Players:

    Hayes is a excellent center and has more to show. I would keep him unless it was a landslide offer.

    Nash is over rated and never could get it done in the playoffs. Get whatever is out there and be happy.

    Zuccarello is unhappy to say the least. His effort seems to be lacking almost every night. Not that same guy and in this league he has to be the feistiest on the ice and he just hasn’t. Trade him and be happy what you can get. Already have a version of him in the minors named Ronning.

    3rd Line Players/4th Line Players:

    The only notable names on these lines are Fast, Vesey, Grabner and Miller. Everyone else can be replaced by rookies and the likes. Which most of them are already.

    Fast can’t be replaced very easily therefore I wouldn’t trade him. Cause you most likely wouldn’t get anywhere near the same value he offers this franchise.

    Vesey has great hands and I can see him improving with Hayes and Krieder as his mentors. So another keeper.

    Grabner is an elite talent. Just his speed alone is worth millions in this game today. Now add his stick work and I just would not lose him unless he says he will take a trade and come back to us in the off season. You have him now so just ask him if he would take a trade and come back. Show him some loyalty.

    Miller is a high end talent on a team that just shuffle boards him around. If he is not happy I say take what you can get. If he is willing to stay then so be it. But these are your coaches which are doing this to him so I feel if he doesn’t get traded AV has to be replaced.

    Quick recap: Trade everyone that is not happy or who is likely not to return. If you can get rid of the Pop singer please do cause he is extremely overrated and needs to go! How does a team go 8-1 in your absence and your position is filled in by a guy who didn’t have a NHL team that wanted him.

    Love you guys and continue the downvotes cause I can’t type well and haven’t been here since 08! Do you just make those points to prove your own worth?(” For those that have been here since we started in 2008.”) Just make sure you take my ideas and reword them for those who like 1 line sentences. Look we are all on here to discuss the Rangers not to make friends. No matter how different an idea I am always willing to have a discussion. If an idea seems stupid give the person the opportunity to defend their point of view, not just band wagon them as a idiot. Maybe like you guys did to me with AV that person might see a different perspective.

    If that clown is still the 1c next year nothing will change. Your 1C cant be a pop singer. There is too much trash talk in the NHL to have him be your best player. I can see it now Guys coming into the Garden with ice cream cones asking if Zibenijad has sprinkles for them! How do you defend that?

    • Jan 28, 2018 at 6:37 pm

      Your comment is underrated and if people couldn’t vote you down then thier heads would explode like in that episode with Dave Chappelle being a bblind black KKK member.

      These teams always catch wind before something happens and I’m sure in this situation under the table if word got out that John Tarvares wants to be a NYR then you trade Mika 100%. He’s really not a good consistent 3 zone type of center. I swear he’s had to win about 3 board battles altogether in the month of December. The forum that I went to after we traded away Brass had the Sens fans saying that we’ll only see Zib at his best on the wing with established top line players. His 5 on 5 doesn’t impress me, he has 1 secondary assist to Nash’s recent goal spurt and Buch has looked stale if he wasn’t connecting with Nash as of late. When the PP was healthy it was over passing and Zib’s one timer has been freezing cold since he’s returned. I can say it’s definitely not ever going to be in the Stamkos/Ovi range.

      If JT wasn’t happy then we would know by now. He looks like a kid who gets that in the long term the money is there to be earned, he’s tight with guys like Hayes and this is the closes place next to his hometown.

      I agree to a cert extent that Zucc isn’t himself but I doubt he’s unhappy by a large margin. Maybe being 30 and seeing change in a big market is freaking him out and every coner from a random rumor he felt he’ll get traded. He still has his day 1 friend on the team but he doesn’t win board battles often anymore which was the inspiring thing that he was known for.

      • Jan 28, 2018 at 11:07 pm

        As long as the old core in place the same hemorrhaging of shots will continue. They only know one way to play. A lot was ingrained by tort. AV just added an offensive dynamic. T/f Everyone above kreider needs to go.

    • Jan 29, 2018 at 6:47 am

      Clueless. You and equally clueless AV think 5 goal DD is a topl line center.

      • Jan 29, 2018 at 1:11 pm

        I think you missed his point…..not that DD is any good, or more than a 4th liner or 13 man….but Zib is overated…..

    • Jan 29, 2018 at 1:05 pm

      You present a great argument for every point! Am beginning to see your analysis of Zibinajab……
      zucc is not same player……Ronning will be a faster, way better goal scorer than zucc, who i still like……
      Miller would be a star with the right coach! Vesey also….
      Grabner should be signed to 3-4-5 year contract asap!!!! Before he winds up on tampa bay with strallman!!!!
      I want to see smith play left side for a year before dumping him….he is our only physical def. besides sjkei………next year maybe sean day is here ….he may be our best d man since leetch……

  • Jan 28, 2018 at 3:34 pm

    I thought the Rangers would excel once the boat anchor Girardi was moved. Maybe he wasn’t the problem after all.

    • Jan 28, 2018 at 5:07 pm


      Unfortunately we have a few others who don’t really care to give 100% effort every night!!!!! Until we rid ourselves of them, and the coaching staff excluding Aliere, we won’t go anywhere………..In JG we trust, and he should shovel the shit out the door asap!!!!!!!!

  • Jan 29, 2018 at 10:03 am

    Stop overrating Stepan and underrating his trade, Dave.

    Want a better return, you get deals done earlier.

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