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Landing Kevin Shattenkirk just got easier, thanks to Jimmy Vesey

August 22, 2016, by
Photo Credit: Steven Ryan

Photo Credit: Steven Ryan

The Rangers landed Jimmy Vesey on Friday, which bolsters their forward depth at a bare minimum cost. Vesey isn’t a savior and likely isn’t even going to crack 40 points this season, but he certainly opens up some options for the Rangers. Vesey likely slides into a third line role with Kevin Hayes and possibly Pavel Buchnevich. That pushes Michael Grabner and Jesper Fast to permanent spots on the fourth line.

This, of course, is if no other moves are made. The blue line has gone suspiciously unaddressed this offseason, and a change there is needed. Moving Dan Girardi and/or Marc Staal likely isn’t happening, but there are still other ways to upgrade the blue line if Jeff Gorton goes that route. The forward position is a major strength for the Rangers. They have arguably ten forwards that could feasibly play a top-nine role on this team, plus another three that slot in well on the fourth line.

It makes sense to deal from this position to address a weakness on the blue line. But with the expansion draft looming, the front office is likely going to make moves to ensure the players they want next year aren’t exposed. That’s where Vesey’s signing comes into play, as he is exempt from the expansion draft, giving the Rangers an additional young forward they know will be here next year.

As it stands today, only one of Rick Nash, Jesper Fast, or Oscar Lindberg can be protected (Buchnevich is exempt as well). It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Rangers package one of these guys for an upgrade on the blue line, instead of risking losing them for nothing. The drawback here is that if Nash is the one they trade –and he will return the most in a trade– they are instantly a worse team this year. So if the idea is to try to win now while keeping an eye on the future, it could be Lindberg or Fast looking at a new team.

Another player that stands to be exposed is Kevin Klein. Staal and Girardi are auto-protected thanks to no-movement clauses, and Ryan McDonagh is the no-brainer to protect, rounding out the three defensemen the team can protect. That leaves Klein and Nick Holden (Brady Skjei is exempt) as the players that will be exposed. I made the case for trading Klein earlier in the summer, and it may make logical sense to attempt to package him and one of the aforementioned forwards for a player who won’t need to be protected.

For a team like St. Louis, who is looking at losing Shattenkirk for nothing, a trade like this makes sense for them. They’d be able to get NHL pieces for a pending UFA that they will likely lose regardless of the expansion draft, and based on the current roster, they have the room to protect one more forward and one more defenseman. A package of Klein+Lindberg gives them cost controlled pieces for next season as well, pieces they can protect in the expansion draft.

For the Rangers, they wouldn’t need to protect Shattenkirk, as he’s a UFA. They’d simply just need to wait to re-sign him until after the expansion draft. It’s some tricky maneuvering, but assuming a Klein/Lindberg (obviously more needs to be involved here, I’m just spitballing what makes sense from an expansion draft standpoint) for Shattenkirk swap, the end-state for both teams heading into the expansion draft would be something like this:

  • NYR protect Stepan, Kreider, Zuccarello, Miller, Zibanejad, Hayes, Staal, Girardi, McDonagh as locks, and a choice between Fast/Nash (Skjei, Vesey, Buchnevich are exempt).
  • STL protect Tarasenko, Stastny, Schwartz, Lehtera, Perron, Jaskin, Lindberg, Bouwmeester, Pietrangelo, Klein (Parayko and Fabbri are exempt)

It’s one of those odd scenarios that works out for both teams, as the Rangers avoid losing Lindberg or Klein for nothing while still improving the blue line for this season with Shattenkirk. The Blues get two roster players for at least two years, and don’t have to worry about losing Shattenkirk for nothing.

Considering the plan for the Rangers is to win now with Henrik Lundqvist in net, this seems like a win for them. But the wrench in this process is that each team will only lose one player to the expansion draft, so it’s not like the team would be gutted in June. The Vesey signing does give the Rangers the ability to trade one of their bottom six forwards though. Sometimes, flexibility is all you need.

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133 comments

  1. SalMerc says:

    This what I was saying for weeks. Now we use the depth at forward to trade for a defenseman AND maybe get us more Cap relief too.

  2. Richter1994 says:

    Well as of right now the Blues are asking the Rangers for Buch and Graves for Shatty, which is not the right deal for the Rangers right now, so they need to wait.

    The Blues control this situation so until they continue to ask for ridiculous pieces back (they asked for Larkin from the Wings for Shatty), the Rangers have to sit and wait.

    If Nash goes to STL, then Shatty and Steen would have to come back to make the trade cap neutral for both teams. Steen would be likely coming back as he has a $3.5M cap hit and seems to be the odd man out in the top 6 for STL. So Shatty and Steen = $7.75M vs. Nash’s $7.8M, a virtual cap wash. Blues have young D men to fill in for Shatty. This appears to be the deal that makes the most sense if for Shatty.

    KK could always be traded for picks at any time, same as for any players that might be exposed to the expansion draft. Each team is going to lose at least one decent player, you can’t get around it, no matter how well you plan for this.

    • bsbarmcharigm says:

      Steen has a CAP of 5.8M, so Shatty and Steen = $10.05M

      • bsbarmchairgm says:

        My source is capfriendly but you can find the same numbers on other CAP sites such as nhlnumbers, spotrac, hockeybuzz…

    • Dave says:

      Source on that?

      • Richter1994 says:

        on which part? lol

        • Irishguy42 says:

          On the fact that the Blues want Buch/Graves

          • Richter1994 says:

            My friends who are in the know.

            • Richter1994 says:

              LOL, you guys don’t like that answer? well while most of the hockey media, that you all rely on, had the Rangers out of it on Thursday for Vesey, my guys had it pegged all along. I’ll stick with what works and has been proven to be right over and over again. Larry Brooks doesn’t have his mole anymore (Sather).

            • paulronty says:

              You tell them Anthony. I had a friend on another site who was in the know & everybody thought he was full of BS, but hios source was a GM from another team, LOL!!!!!

              • Richter1994 says:

                thanks Paul. I’m not someone to be a know it all. as a matter of fact I knew about Vesey for a month but didn’t post it anywhere.

                I have 3 sources. If they tell me basically the same thing independently then I know it’s credible. doesn’t always pan out though. for example, Nash was on his way to the Ducks on draft day but the Ducks pulled the plug at the last minute.

                the main stream media has no clue. The Brass deal took a month to be put together and no one reported it as even a rumor.

            • Fotiu is God says:

              And they are: Cheech and… Swarty?

              C’mon, Richter! Enough of the banter and tease. Get it done.

              • Richter1994 says:

                lol, Shatty’s agent is pressing but the Blues are not obligated to move him unless they get what they want.

            • Fotiu is God says:

              … Johnny, Joey and DeeDee?

              “Gabba gabba hey.”

      • Fotiu is God says:

        C’mon Young Dave.

        You just gotta adjust to this Post-Facts World of ours.

        Remember when treasonous Dick Cheney and his rather repulsive, if not reptilian consorts Perle and Armitage gave shape to that glorious, trillion dollar con-job, “Great and gathering storm…”

        What, No WMDs?

        Take to heart the advise of The Godfather, Walt; who says, “You got to roll with it, man.”

    • Hatrick Swayze says:

      Caphit on Steen is not 3.5 mil. As said above he is 5.8 mil.

      Also, he is not the odd man out. Tarasenko and Schwartz (and Fabbri to a lesser extent) are that club’s future, however, Steen is arguably that team’s most important forward. He is a less glorified Datsyuk for the stability he brings to that organization.

    • 43 says:

      STL is being far too greedy with Shatty. I understand a GM has to do everything in his power to protect his team and only make the most beneficial transactions for his team, but it seems like a forgone conclusion that come July 1, Shatty is a goner, and the longer this takes, the less leverage STL has.

      • Richter1994 says:

        If STL starts out badly, I doubt it, then the trade price comes down.

        • Fotiu is God says:

          Brotherman, you need to factor in the development/respective training camps of two high ceiling, puck moving D-men: Jordan Schmaltz and Tommy Vannelli.

          The former, a NCAA blue chip prospect, also had a superb World Junior tourney. He’s close.

          If The Blues add Schmaltz then the Shattenkirk ‘sitch accelerates to critical mass.

  3. Hey Yo Mikey says:

    “Sometimes, flexibility is all you need.”

    I beg to differ. For it was John Lennon who wrote, “All you need is love. Love. Love is all you need.”

  4. bsbarmchairgm says:

    So NYR should trade Lindberg & Klein for Shattenkirk who is quite likely to sign as UFA with NYR (according to the rumors) and then still loose either Nash or Fast in expansion… Is it not better to trade for another D instead of Shattenkirk? Perhaps even trade all players that you risk to lose in expansion, and also try to convince Staal and Girardi to waive their NMCs for the expansion draft so that other players can be protected?

    • SalMerc says:

      I think StL demands are out of line if the reports are true. Shatty isn’t the only defenseman out there that helps. Gorton needs to be trusted to take his time and find a player that is a step up. I believe he can do that.

    • BOBBY B says:

      AHHHH, the plot thickens!! Well said bsbarmchairgm.

      • jeff says:

        What is this about Shatts.?Why is he so wanted on all NYR sites? Whats he won? Whom has he made better? Everyone loves a last name…..like Boyle or Yandle et al………..no disrespect to any contributor here but let Gorton get it done. I think its been great so far….except E Staal and perhaps that was more Slats than we know. Bet you guys a brew he gets the defense done in time for the playoffs without giving the shop away. The key will be AV and how he manages the elder defensemen. We will all know J. Gorton by then and the immediate future of these Ranger boys.

  5. Voice of Reason says:

    Lindberg + Klein for Shattenkirk? Why not trade Girardi for Subban? That is a joke of an offer and the Blues would be better off keeping Shattenkirk for another Cup run.

    Also I don’t think there’s any desire to trade for Shattenkirk now. NYR will push hard for him in FA but doubtful they want to give up assets for 1 season of him. If there is a D acquisition, it’s going to be something less obvious and hopefully younger. Additionally, if Rangers wait to acquire Shattenkirk until FA they can acquire another Dman, buy out Girardi, protect McD, new Dman, and Staal, and then get Shattenkirk afterwards.

  6. Zen says:

    I appreciate the write-up, but there is clearly no chance of this trade from the Blues side. Shatty was literally going to be swapped for Taylor Hall if he agreed to an extension with Edmonton (which he wouldn’t). Clearly the STL GM would have zero interest in such a lowball offer. Once again though, I appreciate the creative thinking.

  7. pas44 says:

    Kudos to JG. What a solid offseason. He really is taking this team from darkness into a much brighter future. All this younger talent. He rebuilt a core that really needs a few back line moves to become so much more solid then just about anyone thought they’d be at the end of last season.

    I think we need to give him a nickname!

    • Jerry says:

      I’m with you 100%! I like the moves he didn’t make as much as the ones he made. In reading some reports on the Vesey acquisition, JG was quoted as saying he checked in with Sather for input. Oh how I hope that was just a statement showing respect to Sather but not a real accurate one. If it was anything more then JG calling Sather on the phone and saying “hey How you doing? I’m making a play for Vesy, hope your golf game is improving”, it would have been too much.

    • Hatrick Swayze says:

      You guys are in looney land when it comes to the Sather bashing and Gorton praising. Full marks to Gorton for this off season. But come on with the, “He really is taking this team from darkness into a much brighter future”. If the last few years of Ranger hockey was “darkness” then I’ll never need to flick a light switch on ever again.

      • Ranger 11 says:

        I’ve been wondering when someone would say something like that. I agree with you. I like the moves Gorton has made so far but it’s not like he just landed Ovechkin for a 7th round pick. We got so,e cheap players with speed that should help on the PK. If those guys were that great they wouldn’t be that cheap or even available in the first place. Getting Vesey should be a great thing but we haven’t even seen him play a game in the NHL yet. So while I’m happy with this offseason I think fans are getting carried away a bit with Gorton. Sather did the same thing when we got Hayes as Gorton did with Vesey

        • Hatrick Swayze says:

          Thanks, R11.

          Gorton has really settled a lot of my concerns in what direction the organization would head. Aka, letting stralman walk and extending girardi- an example of antiquated thinking and getting it wrong. Paille, E Staal, etc-smaller, but still getting it wrong. Former was “Sather”, latter was “Gorton”.

          This summer’s on the fly reset, speed skill and getting younger- all good things. It is very refreshing. But people are way too black and white when it comes to praising Gorton and bashing Sather.

          Sorry to put a kabosh on the kazoos, but it’s all the same brain trust. The organization is shifting because we have to as the current landscape currently sits. We are not as much of a power house as we were 2 yrs ago. So it’s time to reset in order to try and get back there in 2-3 years.

          As I said a few months back- changing the regime (Sather/Gorton) doesn’t really change the machine (organizational direction). It is an cohesive organizational change, rather than a new leader/new direction shift.

          • paulronty says:

            That’s totally out to lunch. Gorton at GM is a mega-shift & don’t you doubt for a moment that he is his own man. Sather is just a figurehead now.

            • Hatrick Swayze says:

              They’re on the same team aND have similar if not identical agendas

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Hatrick and Ranger 11…..agree 100000%. Hilarious how some paint Gorton as the “white knight” who’s come to save us from all the misery Sather created….the two runs to the Conference Finals and the run to the SCF. More post season games played than any team in the sport the last five years.

                And of course, Gorton was part of most of this anyway. Little has in fact changed. The only thing that has is that the Rangers are in a different place now in terms of their status as a legit contender. Cap situation clearly says time to reload. Sather likely does the same.

      • JoeS. says:

        Looney land for sure!

      • paulronty says:

        And chalk up success in the last few years to Gorton & Clark, NOT Sather.

        • Hatrick Swayze says:

          Whatever distorted version of reality you want to believe, by all means, feel free….

          • paulronty says:

            Oh thanks for your permission!! I’m sure I couldn’t function without it LOL!!!

            • JoeS. says:

              A little lame Paul, I happen to know you’re better than that…

              • Fotiu is God says:

                “Sam, looks like some fireworks are about to kick off. You’ve got Mick Vukota lining up alongside Kris King.

                “Vukota’s said a few choice words. Perhaps an allusion to the Ranger winger’s Mother. Her chose of footwear.

                “And here we go!”

            • Fotiu is God says:

              “Old time hockey! Eddie Shore. Toe Blake… Hatrick and Doc Paul throwing bombs, passive aggressive haymakers.”

              At this time, I’d like to quote my LifeCoach, Flounder, he of “Animal House”: “This is great.”

              Drop the puck already.

  8. amy says:

    good morning I am very happy we landed Vesey and I see him playing with Hayes and Bucenevitch on the third line now lets go get a defensemen like Shattenkirk

  9. Walt says:

    Sorry Dave, I usually am in agreement with you, but on this one, your way off base.

    Why would we trade not one, but two players, and possibly a pick for Shatty, when we get him for free at seasons end????????? There could be trades to be made with other teams, maybe teams that need to reach cap floor, for a decent d-man?????? I don’t see anything like you suggest here to happen, Jeff is too smart for that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Hatrick Swayze says:

      You’re going to lose one of them anyway. The Rangers cant/wont protect klein and one of lindberg/fast/nash. So package 2 of them for another piece like Shattenkirk who will be a FA at expansion, and then can resign with us after. So it would be a creative way to use assets you’re guaranteed to lose in exchange for an asset you wouldn’t have to.

      It’s a pretty exploratory way to adress the circumstances at hand. The bonus to just waiting until free agency to get him is that we DRASTICALLY improve our team for this year, one of Kirk’s prime. If you just wait until free agency, you’ll likely have to give out Yandle money and term to a guy near age 30, which I know Walt (and many here) would argue against.

      • Ray says:

        I am sorry, but there is a foolishness at the root of all of this thinking. The Rangers are not going to lose somebody for nothing in the expansion draft. They received a sum of money and pay a tax of exactly one player. Losing Fast or Lindberg or Nash means not losing someone else. If the coming season is similar to the last one, it may be that choosing Raanta is a no-brainer. In any case, the only way the Rangers don’t lose anyone of value is to strip the organization of most of its assets.

        And, they must expose a certain amount of salary as well. Plausibly, not offering Nash may force them to expose someone like Zuccarello or Kreider.

        • Chris A says:

          What do you mean by that Ray?

          I thought the only stipulation on the expansion draft was that at least one player with a certain amount of NHL experience is exposed. That will be Grabner.

          Also, Nash has a NTC so he must be protected from the expansion draft, unless Nash agrees to be exposed to Vegas.

          • Ray says:

            I am wrong as it turns out, although you are not completely correct either.

            Throughout the negotiations, the plan was for teams to be forced to expose 25% of their salary in the draft. However, because of NMCs and free agency, some teams simply would not be able to comply. So they needed to adopt penalties and couldn’t agree. Upshot:
            the dollar amounts were chucked.

            The actual rules now require exposing two forwards and one defenseman with specified NHL experience.

            • Chris A says:

              Nice research Ray. That’s some super wonky cap minutiae you dug up. I’m impressed!

              So Klein and Grabner fill two of those three necessary slots. Has Fast played enough games to meet the threshold? If not the Rangers may have to trade for a veteran just to meet the requirements of the expansion draft as there are no other veteran forwards on the roster that should/could be exposed.

    • Evan M says:

      Shattenkirk would help the Rangers win this year, that’s why you give up a little for him now. Each year that passes is one where Hank is getting older. Why wait when it can be done now if the deal is right?

      • Walt says:

        Because there are other teams that we could work with to improve our team now, and get a decent player that can help. Next year, we get another asset that improves the team that much more !!!! We can disagree on this, that’s OK, but I’m not into giving away the shop for something that will run to us on his own, for FREE !!!!!!!!!

        • Hatrick Swayze says:

          No free agent of his stature will run to us on his own. And certainly not for free. You’re looking at a contract around 40 million over a longer term than you’re gonna like.

          • Walt says:

            Explain to me, I’m dense, what difference would it make trading for him, and then resigning him, or getting the guy as a UFA????? He’ll want the same amount of money, so if it take $40 over years, it will take the same $40 over years as a UFA?????? The way I suggest it, we use the others in question to possibly make another deal to improve us this season!!!!!! Again, I’m not the sharpest knife in the draw, but the money will be the same won’t it ???????

        • Evan M says:

          Examples of other teams we can work with to upgrade our defense at no cost? I don’t ask that sarcastically, I just haven’t heard/read anything to indicate other matchups to improve defense. I’d be interested to know what else is kicking around.

          Next year is a long way away. If the Rangers can give some players who aren’t in their long-term plans anyway for an immediate upgrade, then why not? I doubt Klein and Lindberg would get the deal done, but Shatt>Klein and Lindberg/Fast are both replaceable players. Why not have another year of a player in his prime for replaceable assets?

          • Walt says:

            Not to be a smart ass, but ‘m not the GM, that’s Jeff’s job, and he should see whats out there that may be of interest. We are not privy to all the discussions between the NHL GM’s, and what plans they have. That’s the best I can offer.

            By the way, Shatty would be a nice addition, but isn’t the soundest defensivly, as someone else called him, a Yandle light, which I agree with !!!!!!!!!!!

            • Evan M says:

              Since you offered that statement as reason for not wanting to trade for Shattenkirk, I thought you might’ve come across something I didn’t. You don’t sound like a smart ass at all. Peace.

              • Fotiu is God says:

                Stick tap to you, Evan, for both the smart bomb, if not the grace you exhibited.

                We get Shattenkirk, or any other adept D-man whom our Richter–a.k.a. The Poor Man’s Bob McKenzie–approves of, now, it not only energizes our Offense, and PP unit, it keeps the chalupa out of our zone. Thus extending The King’s shelf life.

                Inasmuch, Richter’s ‘gotta show up.

                “Hey barman: triple espresso for my friend, Richter.”

                “Here paisan: Doc Paul kicked down some Adderall. It’ll keep you sharp while you work the phones. Remember, Richter: you ain’t giving up anymore Anthony DuClair’s… Or First Rounders. Capice?”

      • Richter1994 says:

        I said the same thing a few weeks ago and got roasted for it, lol.

  10. Bloomer says:

    I would offer up Klein and Fast for Shat rather then Lindberg. Oscar is a better hockey player and also a center which the Rangers need.

  11. Arisrules says:

    First off a Klein, Lindberg/Fast, and pick trade for Shatt would be a fantastic trade. However, I doubt the Blues go for it. The positives would be keeping Nash who is our best forward, and upgrade an abysmal group. Plus we would be trading Klein when his value is highest, which is smart. However, overall, I think we would be still worse on the defense than last year. This is the likely group we would roll out:

    McD – Shatt
    Staal – Skjei
    Holden – Girardi

    The top pairing would truly be elite, and would be the first elite defensive pairing we’ve had in a long time. The second and third pairings all raise lots of questions. Staal is at best a third pairing d-man; can he bounce back? Skjei is a rookie on his off-side; we know he can skate, but can he consistently put it together? Staal needed an excellent Stralman to buoy him to a decent level. Holden can skate and is a decent pickup, but Girardi is cannon fodder. The chances of him bouncing back to his 2011/2012/2013 already average level are zero. The loss of Yandle is tough, and I think Boyle will be missed as well as he did a lot of things right.

    • BOBBY B says:

      No Mcllrath???

      • Jon says:

        That wouldn’t work. There’s no righty on the 2nd pair. There’s enough of an issue overall with righty shots. Would love to see McIlrath step into a 2nd pairing role so Girardi could be bumped down to 3rd pair w/ Staal.

  12. Ranger 11 says:

    I know everyone has been reading how much Shattemkirk loves the Rangers n always wanted to play for them. I’ve seen so many fans saying why trade when we can get him for free next year. I’ve said it too at times but once he’s a FA there’s no guarantee he won’t get a great offer from someone else n take it. If a team offers him an extra million or more n offers 7 years while we’re offering 4 it’s goo a be awfully hard to turn that down. I’m not saying this would definitely happen. I’m just saying there’s no guarantee he becomes a ranger if we wait till next year.

    • AD says:

      Didn’t this scenario just play out with Yandle? He too loved playing in New York with a great group of guys, all the way into the moment he called Tallon and said he’d love to play in Florida

      Memories are short….

      for players like Yandle and Shattenkirk, this is their LAST professional contract….as a husband and father (if that is their situation), they owe it to their families to max out $$

      we’d all do the same

      • Ranger 11 says:

        That’s what I’m saying basically. He may have grown up a Rangers fan n has always wanted to play for them but he’s got a family. It would in a sense be selfish if he took less money n years to play for the Rangers if he has a chance to get more money n years from another team. Like you said this is probably his last contract so he’s gonna want the most he can get while its here. Yandle is a good example too btw.

  13. 43 says:

    How long until all the negative, gainsaying for gainsaying’s sake rebuttals start outpouring from Dave?

  14. paulronty says:

    If St. Louis wanted Nash + for Shattenkirk they would have already done it. This Shatty thing is more overhyped than the VZ watch. It isn’t going to happen, at least not till the trade deadline.

    • Arisrules says:

      Usually with the Rangers over the past couple of years, the player we’ve been linked to eventually gets here. Think of how Yandle got hyped up as a potential Ranger for several years in a row. Same with Nash actually.

      Having said that, I still think the easiest route was either resigning Yandle or picking up Demers (or ideally both after waiving Girardi).

  15. Leatherneck says:

    Sometimes doing nothing is doing something. The Rangers asset management has been brutal in the chase for the cup. We are not in a position to do what you suggest Dave. We have lost too much for nothing, traded assets for nothing lost picks for nothing with minimal returns here and there. So I suggest we keep our assets. Losing one player to the expansion draft is nothing as compared to previous losses. We need to keep doing what Groton has done.
    I believe Girardi will be traded to the expansion LV team to help establish that team and believe me it will be a win for them. Love him or hate him, Girardi is a good citizen and team guy. This is exactly what this team needs to begin the process of building a team to build character. As for his decline, I attest that to injuries more so than anything else. I would love to see him rebound and reenergize his career. I have not forgotten what he has done. My biggest disappointment from him was at the SCF where he truly was brutal, but so was Lundqvuist in those finals. Let’s not forget that

    • 43 says:

      I think we’ve done a decent job recovering some of those first-rounders we traded through the Hayes and Vesey signings. What was it, four first-rounders Sather traded? Two of those probably would’ve panned out. With Hayes and Vesey, that’s pretty good compensation. Along with Buch (a kid with first round talent, but skepticism over wether he’d ever come to America), I think we’ve done well to make up for those risky trades.

      • Leatherneck says:

        No we have not, you forget we lost Callahan, Boyle and Stralman for what exactly? Very very poor asset management. All for Lundqvist’s window? He is not even that good a goalie…..over hyped media darling he is for sure good goalie…yeah….elite goalie….not even close. Results do not lie

        • 43 says:

          Callahan was a cap casualty, he wanted things management didn’t want to give him. He was going to walk. So getting Martin St. Louis for that playoff run and a solid season following is better than nothing. Don’t call that trade a loss.

          Boyle and Stralman took the money and ran. Whatever, it happens.

          I didn’t forget about these guys, I just wasn’t even talking about them. My whole point was about all the first-rounders we traded.

          • Chris A says:

            Ask TB how pleased they are with making the terrible mistake of signing Callahan.

            • Leatherneck says:

              Not the point….point is we should have traded Cally and got much more in return but instead we traded him and 2 1sts for a has been older player

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Leather, you have your history all wrong. There was no real market for Cally. The only other option was trading him to SJ for futures. The “has been” MSL was the among the leading scorers in the NHL at the time of trade. We likely don’t even make it out of the first round without Marty, let alone the SCF.

                Collecting young assets is great, but no one throws parades for teams who have the deepest farm system. When you are close, you take your chance for a few years. Then you recoup what you lost with other deals, as the Rangers are doing now.

                Let’s not forget this IS a business. Season ticket sales, sponsorships, TV ratings are all crucial. Being a borderline playoff team indefinitely is not going to cut it.

            • Chris A says:

              A has been that led the team to a Cup Final?

              I’m ok with trading two virtual second round picks and an oft injured player that was going to be allowed to walk in the summer for a trip to a Final and a draft pick at the end of the second round.

              You know what’s really funny? For all the crap Fast takes around here, he and Callahan had virtually the same point output last year, except Callahan played about three minutes more per game and his cap hit was five times Fast’s.

              • Ranger 11 says:

                Is he kiddin? How does he call MSLma has been old player. He was the main reason we went so deep into the playoffs. Boy it’s really something how guys get judged by their last season or really just last part of the season. MSLmscored 21 goals for us in his last season. Then he got hurt n didn’t produce in the playoffs that year so I guess write off the rest of the great thing he did for us in such a short time. I can’t believe fans stil talk about losing Cally ink we lost a super star. He tried M squeezing the Rangers n Sather said you’re crazy goodbye. He was hurt every year n still always hurt.

              • Fotiu is God says:

                Hallå där man, Chris A., verkligen höga betyg för att prisa vår man, Jesper. Mycket som jag älskade kapten attes det verkligen gjorde lös in: “här’s dörren.

                Du var vår kapten. Det är dock uppenbart att det betydde mer för oss som lufta blå än du, Ryan.”

                jag älskar verkligen Jesper aldrig någonsin tar en förskjutning av. Avslutar hans kontroller, och spelar med gusto. Fastie, men måste gå fängelset vikt med våra inhemska boskap, Bobby B. på vissa muskler.

                LGR utställt!

            • Chris A says:

              Nobody was trading for Callahan. The whole league knew he was damaged goods. I’m still shocked TB asked for him to be included in the MSL deal. TB would have been far better off just taking two first round picks and calling it a day.

              Callahan was the one massive mistake Stevie Y has made during his tenure as TB GM.

            • BOBBY B says:

              Yzerman seems to have locked up his core group for the next 5 years in spite of the Callahan contract.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Brilliantly said Chris!

                Bobby, not sure that’s true. Was listening to NHL Network Radio this morning. This is TB’s “go for it” year. Yzerman has said next summer, they are going to have to let some key pieces go.

              • Chris A says:

                No, Bobby is right. Stevie Y has a significant chunk of cap space next summer if Vasilevskiy takes over the starting G job. Letting Bishop walk next summer is key.

                Assuming Bishop is let go, TB has over $22M to sign 2017 RFAs Palat, Johnson, and Drouin. So the core is fine, the big challenge is upgrading that defensive unit. After Hedman/Stralman it gets kind of bleak in TB. If Stevie Y can upgrade on D and still have enough to sign those three important RFAs then he is truly one of the great ones.

        • Hatrick Swayze says:

          Leather…. boooooo to you, I say.

        • Rangers Fan in Boston says:

          Um, regarding Lundqvist, what are you talking about?

        • pas44 says:

          “He is not even that good a goalie”

          PASS THE DUTCHIE

        • jeff says:

          It seems you and I watched the same SCFs. Hennie, couldve won that series on his own……but couldnt get it done. Why? All the same reasons are the same excuses……he is however one of the best goalis we’ve seen………but like this team just couldnt get it done. 3 OT losses…..lots of reasons why, just none of them good enough!

        • Bloomer says:

          Dishing the King, Leatherneck with no mention of his 8.4 million salary cap hit payable well into the next decade.
          Dump Girardi, trade Staal…hell get rid of all the defenseman. Henk don’t need them, he’s that good.

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      Lundqvist was BRUTAL in the SCF????? What series were you watching? He was the only reason we were even in these games against a far better opponent.

  16. perry says:

    I’m sorry, I think Shattenkirk is overrated. When all this talk started last playoffs about Shattenkirk wanting NY, I watched him closely in the playoffs and I was very underwhelmed with his defense. I thought he was consistently lost and out of position in the defense zone. I know this was a small sample, but they were important playoff games. I think he is Keith Yandle light and not as good defensively. I don’t know how or when he became the solution to all our defense issues.

    • Walt says:

      well stated, and your right, defensivly he isn’t very sound…… that’s the reason I wouldn’t give up too much to get him !!!!!!!!!!

      • Perry says:

        Thanks Walt – thought I was alone on this one

        • Ranger 11 says:

          No you’re not alone on that one. I was watching Shattenkirk very closely too that playoff run n I didn’t think he was so swift out there myself. I think when a guy gets mentioned that he could be available in a trade n the writer says how great it would be to get that great player fans jump on board right away n get all caught up in the hype n the suspense of whether we’re gonna get him or not. They sometimes don’t even stop to think if the guy is really as good as he’s being made out to be. It’s all about can we get him. Now I’m not saying Shattenkirk wouldn’t be a big improvement cause he would be at this point. We just lost our puck moving D men n are having problems with 2 guys that were once a if part of our success. So of course he would help but I just think we’re getting carried away a bit with how great he’s being made out to be.

    • paulronty says:

      I think you may be right too. Some players, especially D get so overhyped on here. Is Shattenkirk worth 6 mil per? I don’t know, that may be just another bad contract. I’m more excited about Ryan Graves myself, although I think he will need another year with the Pack, but could be an injury callup.

      • Walt says:

        great call there Paul !!!!!!!!!!

      • Richter1994 says:

        I say Graves gets called up midseason. Like him a lot.

        • paulronty says:

          That makes two of us. Graves was really good in his first pro year. He teams up with DMAC & we have the TWIN TOWERS OF DOOM!!! LOL!!!!!

        • Chris A says:

          Graves’ time is certainly drawing near. I just can’t see him cracking the lineup this year. There are too many players ahead of him. I have him at about 10 or 11 on the depth chart. I think he’s more talented than that, but part of that is low ranking is based on contractual realities, like Girardi and Staal having no movement clauses.

  17. HARLEMBLUES says:

    This Shattenkrik talk has gotten out of hand. He’s not Orr. Is his agent pushing for this trade on this site. St. Louis controls sh💥T. This smells of the Yandle deal all over. I would do Nash for Shattenkrik and Steen only if he (Shattenkrik) signs a extension.. We are now starting to think homegrown let’s keep it that way. Stop the chasing and making bad deals and giving away number one picks. Move Danny G and Staal and let the foundation we have continue to grow. Let’s see what a full season of Brady brings us. Shattenkrik is a FA what next year. Sh*t one CUP in 75 plus years we’re a patience bunch. No rush. Let the kids grow first.

    • Hatrick Swayze says:

      Shattenkirk and Steen >>>>>>>>> Nash

      You could make a case that Shattenkirk OR Steen > Nash

    • Chris A says:

      Shattenkirk can’t sign an extension with the Rangers. If he does, then the Rangers can only protect three other forwards not named Rick Nash for the expansion draft.

      • HARLEMBLUES says:

        He can sign a extension with St. Louis and then be traded to the Rangers. I wouldn’t overpay for anyone unless they are a game breaking superstar. Shattenkrik isn’t such a player. Be smart JG and continue to get younger,bigger and skilled. The Rangers are still one of the oldest if not the oldest team in the NHL. Shattenkrik doesn’t win the cup for us because he’s not a superstar. He wants superstar money aka Yandle that last big contract. Play Dylan,Brady and move on from Danny G and Staal. We will be find. Move on.

        • Chris A says:

          Ah ok, I thought you were down on trading for Shattenkirk because he is a rental.

          As far as oldest or one of the oldest teams in the NHL, that isn’t even remotely close to the truth. The Rangers have only 5 players over 30 (one is Glass) and none over 35. Now that Dan Boyle, E. Staal, and D. Moore are gone the Rangers average age is significantly lower.

          • HARLEMBLUES says:

            Fact check

            • Chris72 says:

              Rangers average age is 26.3 years old. I don’t know exactly where that sits amongst other NHL teams but I’m guessing it’s nowhere near the oldest

    • BOBBY B says:

      Nash & Lindberg for Shattenkirk & Ryan Reaves( enforcer/rugged right winger) Your power play is fixed, and no other team would dare look at your finesse players the wrong way with Reaves & Mcllrath on the prowl. Just throwing that out there!!

  18. SalMerc says:

    I am still thinking there might be a way we pry Trouba away from Winnepeg for a lot less than Nash. There is a team that needs help everywhere. I think he still hasn’t signed.

    • Chris A says:

      Unless Staal or Girardi is going to Winnipeg in exchange for Trouba, the Rangers would lose one of Trouba or McD in the expansion draft.

      For the Rangers, the expansion draft looms large over any player that is more than a rental.

  19. bsbarmchairgm says:

    If Gorton manages to swap some forwards for a great defenseman, I’m still not convinced that NYR is a contender.

    I think the biggest issue that must be addressed is to exchange Girardi and maybe also Staal for something better…

    • bsbarmchairgm says:

      I would like to change the last sentence above to:

      I think the biggest issue that must be addressed is to exchange at least one of Girardi or Staal for something better…

    • Chris A says:

      Simply removing Staal and/or Girardi from the organization for the purpose of getting out from under their contracts will make the Rangers better this year and in the long run.

      Between Holden, McIlrath, and Clendenning there are enough internal options to remove Stall and G from the roster without having to get much in return. Also, removing one or both allows the Rangers to have the flexibility to trade some of their forward surplus for a defensive upgrade that can be protected in the expansion draft.

      • SalMerc says:

        You cannot just eat their contracts in total. We need to wait, let them play to see if they can show some value to OUR club. If they do, then they obviously will show some value to other clubs as well. We won’t get anything much for them, but if we can get some team to eat even half of one of their contracts, that is another job well done. Many here are singing the praises of McIlrath and Skjei like they are superstars. Let’s give them 25 more games each before we say they are ready to step in on a regular basis please.

        Also, before we bury G-man, can we see if it was the injury that slowed him before we close the coffin?

        • Chris A says:

          If another team is willing to take Girardi or Staal without the Rangers retaining any salary, I could care less what the return is. I think getting out from under those contracts is worth far more than any potential return.

          • Chris72 says:

            One problem….. the length and money on both those deals are untradeable at this point in time. Coming off the years they had, what team would absorb either contract?

        • HARLEMBLUES says:

          G made several boneheaded plays last year that didn’t have anything to do with his knee. It was he’s head and his lack of foot speed. He’s done move on. Oh, Pittsburgh hands waving in the air as the play goes on. Trade him and Staal eat salary if need be. 4th or 5th round pick would do.

        • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

          Totally agree Sal. One bad year is not enough to move on. Buying them out now only hurts the club. They have NMCs and they likely won’t agree to go, at least not yet. No harm at all in seeing what both can do. I’d bet good money that both, with a normal off season of rest, will bounce back, be effective and surpeised people.

          And agree on Skjei and McIlrath. Both show promise but lets not get ahead of ourselves here.

          • Chris72 says:

            I agree Eddie. Some other posts were mentioning Graves as well. If Skjei, McIlrath and Graves made up half of our D corp, it would most likely mean the Rangers are way out of playoff contention

  20. Jon says:

    We need to get Shattenkirk on this roster by the time the season starts. The right side is especially weak. If Gorton can pull off a deal for Shattenkirk, I like the Rangers chances of competing this season. They’ll be a bit shallow on the bottom 4 but if Skjei & McIlrath take another step forward they could be faster.
    Really stinks Staal & Girardi have to be here next season. Would love to fill their spots with younger, faster players.

    • Evan M says:

      **It makes no sense to get a player who can improve our team now, when he can make another team better all year… then we get him**

      • Jon says:

        The Rangers may wait until the trade deadline but who knows. I don’t think the parts are there now to compete. Who’s our top 2 on the right side? A lefty or McIlrath?