Foreshadowing moves to come

October 15, 2013, by
One or both of Miller and Kreider are expected to be recalled today.

One or both of Miller and Kreider are expected to be recalled today.

After Arron Asham and Martin Biron were placed on waivers yesterday, there was a lot of discussion about what moves the Rangers would be making. I heard everything from a trade (no specifics, just “they are going to make a trade”) to a much more rational call up. In my humble opinion, the Rangers aren’t going to make a trade and blow things up after five games, two of which they weren’t really outplayed. Waiving a backup goaltender and a fourth line player qualifies as minor moves, and minor moves will be made to replace them.

The first move is the easiest to assume: Cam Talbot will be called up from the Hartford Wolfpack. Talbot was one of the second round of cuts in preseason, and really surprised everyone with his strong play. People tossed around the idea of having Johan Hedberg come back, since he was brought in on a PTO during camp, but he would be contract #50 of the 50-contract limit. That move doesn’t really make sense.

As for the forwards, that is a little tougher to gauge. Rick Nash was just placed on IR, which opens an additional forward spot. With two spots open, it depends on how coach Alain Vigneault wants to fill the spots.

If only one top-nine spot is open, you would assume it would be filled by J.T. Miller. He’s been playing very well in Hartford, even if he is the benefactor of some extreme shot percentages. Coach Alain Vigneault is high on the kid, and his strong play has warranted another look in the appropriate situation. If the coach wants to fill both openings with top-nine forwards, then Chris Kreider would likely be the other.

If a fourth line role is what AV is looking for, then expect Brandon Mashinter to be recalled.

At a bare minimum, we are looking at Talbot and at least one forward being recalled from Hartford sometime before Wednesday. The Rangers did go with 11 forwards and 7 defensemen in St. Louis, so calling up a second forward may not be on the radar.

Categories : Prospects


  1. Centerman21 says:

    I really think Mashinter should be one of the call ups.

    • Dave says:

      Depends on the needs of the team. If AV wants a fourth liner, I’d expect it will be him or Haley.

      • Centerman21 says:

        I feel like this team is too small and too easy to play against. Adding a 6’4″ 235lb forward to the 4th line would make this team much more formidable. Dorsett is one tough cookie and will fight anyone but I don’t think he scares anyone. Mashinter will make teams think twice about taking liberties on our top 9 forwards & defenseman. The Rangers need a big guy willing to play big. They have a few big players like Boyle & Pyatt that don’t play big. I think Pyatt is next to go once Hagelin returns. All the more reason to add size now and acclimate him to the NHL game now.

        • Dave says:

          The team looks to be very vanilla in the early going, that’s for sure.

        • Walt says:

          For once I agree with you, especially about the team being too easy to play against!!

        • JoeP199 says:

          Dorsett may be willing to fight, but he’s too much of a liability with all of the stupid penalties he takes.

  2. Bloomer says:

    JT Miller was playing good hockey when he was send down. Much better then the majority of his teammates. Who knows what will happen next. Its like they are still in pre-season. The team is a disorganized mess.

    • Dave says:

      -22.2 Rel CF% (Relative Corsi %) against weak competition (based on CF%) doesn’t necessarily agree with that statement.

      He does great things, don’t get me wrong. The kid is going to be a solid player, but his play without the puck leaves something to be desired. He’s still only 20.

  3. Walt says:

    Best case would be Miller on the first line, Mash on the fourth. We get the skill AV wants, and grit we all called for.

    As for Asham, I respect the man. He was quoted as saying he is fighting for his hockey life, and need be, he would play in the AHL. Next thing he said was he expected this move, because I’m getting old. The man is a realist!!

    • VinceR says:

      On Twitter he posted a pic from a car of a ton of traffic in front of him. Caption “This is worse than getting sent down!”. He has a great sense of humor there. Hopefully he can still troll ScottyHockey.

    • Dave says:

      Miller is not a top line guy. I think he pans out as a solid 3C.

  4. Bloomer says:

    Heres’ a stat for you Dave the Rangers are 1-4 with 25 goals against and 9 goals for. Colorado is 5-0 18 goals for 4 against. Both teams have new coaches. One coach already has his team figured out while the other is busy looking at stats like the ones you quoted. Who would you rather have behind the bench?

    • Dave says:

      Here’s a stat for you Bloomer: There are still 94% of the games in the season left.

    • Centerman21 says:

      Right now AV but overall is rather have Torts. In time Roy might be a good NHL coach. The Avs will come to earth once the honeymoon is over & the NHL gets a good look at them. Right now whatever they are doing took the opponents by surprise. That won’t be the case for long. They have little to no defense. Eric Johnson is their best defenseman playing the most mins. On 25 NHL teams he’s a good 3rd pair defenseman.

      • The Suit says:

        I can’t wait for a 24/7 featuring the Avs just so I watch Roy go nuts. Me thinks Torts fans will like him.

        • Dave says:

          They’d have to get a Winter Classic first. Odds of that happening are about the same as the Panthers getting one.

          • Rangers Fan in Boston says:

            You’re probably right, but an old 90’s matchup of Av’s/Red Wings (with Roy as coach no less) in Coors Field would be a blast I think. The Av’s could bring back Claude Lemieux as an honorary captain for added spice.

    • VinceR says:

      I know you said “Dave”, but I would like to put an answer: I’d rather have Torts, because I really liked the guy.

      But continuing the answer, that ship has sailed. He isn’t coming back, and no one will trash what they are trying currently in a knee-jerk reaction. Like or hate Sather he isn’t going to fire AV until he’s had a season to prove himself. If this goes down in a flaming heap, like some are already convinced it already has (and you may be proven right, no one really knows yet), Sather could very well be fired along with AV.

      Or maybe he won’t due to Dolan’s style of being hands off with the Rangers (until he chooses a terrible time to be hands on).

      But the point is…everyone has heard you. Anyone who comments regularly has already posted their thoughts on AV. We get it. No one who reads this blog has the power to make these changes, so you aren’t going to convince anyone that matters.

      So can we give it a few games? Especially against some weaker teams to let these guys gel? Other new coaches are doing fine…great, I’m happy for them. That doesn’t mean this team won’t turn it around (and it doesn’t mean they definitely will either). If around the 20 game mark it looks like the season is likely to be a dumpster fire, then let’s start discussing what we would all like to see done at the coaching level, or why articles about optimism are silly and why opinion articles need to be supported by advanced stats (yeah, I’m confused about that last one myself).

  5. ranger17 says:

    See if anyone of Phila or St L would be interested in Dan G for either Simmons or Stewart . Then we can see if some one wants to take MDZ for a tough 4th liner maybe some one like Moen or Chimera or anyone that wants to stick up for the top 9 players

  6. Bloomer says:

    I would take a team and coach with some passion and moxie over a team of zombies that are currently wearing Blue ….(with the exception of Callahan).Right I forgot its early, they are rusty, learning a new system, key player are injured, contract negotiations, awful schedule, dog ate my homework, please add your excuse here_________

    • VinceR says:

      Sounds good to me. But if that team doesn’t happen under AV, you are waiting until next season. That’s just how it is.

      It’s not about excuses…no one is saying they shouldn’t be better right now. But let’s see what happens, then let’s call it dead or a chance to succeed. The point is that AV isn’t going anywhere for a while, so let’s just see what happens.