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The Disappointment of David Quinn

David Quinn has left a lot to be desired so far this season

Going into this season, we all knew this would be a rough year for the Rangers.  Sure, in those quiet places in the back of our minds, we reserved some hope that an inspired group of kids might make a run, but we all knew the reality.  There were always going to be rough patches, consternation, irritable frustration and no light at the end of the tunnel.

The team’s (relatively) hot start gave us some false hope.  The offense looked much more dynamic and the goaltending was propping up the defense.  Alas, as in all things, reality came calling.  The Blueshirts have since dropped four straight, including games to the rival Devils and Capitals.

Not lost in this sequence of events has been David Quinn’s, quite frankly, rather disturbing trend of lineup decisions, deployment and spoken word regarding the state of things in Rangerland.  In the least surprising news of all time, it has created quite a schism in the domain of Ranger fandom.

One camp has seen enough of Quinn’s machinations since the beginning of his tenure last season to settle on the fact that he has fully committed to the often-asinine coaching methodology that tends to infect NHL bench bosses once they leave the amateur ranks.  On the other side of the fence, Quinn still carries a certain good will from his track record at BU and the significantly altered roster he has been charged with from last season.

Now, every coach, especially new coaches, should have some latitude to experiment and tinker with lineup and deployment choices; gathering observational and statistical data to help inform their future decisions.  The problem we have had over the past week or so is that neither the rationales nor the choices themselves have passed the smell test.

For those who have not been (understandably) living and dying by the Rangers this season, Quinn has been playing converted defenseman Brendan Smith as a third line winger and given him more minutes and a more significant role than Lias Andersson.  Quinn also appropriately demoted Ryan Strome out of the 2C spot, but instead of Andersson or calling up Filip Chytil, the coach inexplicably placed Brett Howden in the role.  Then to cap it off, he publicly states that the skills and playing style that propelled Kaapo Kakko to the number 2 overall pick this June wouldn’t be effective in the NHL and will need to modify his game.

I’ve spent a little time over the past few days processing these events, both separately and together.  The thought that I ultimately can’t get out of my head is a line from Mark Wahlberg in Martin Scorsese’s masterpiece The Departed:

My theory on Feds is they’re like mushrooms, feed them shit and keep them in the dark”.

If you replace “Feds” with “Fans”, you basically have the NHL’s approach to explaining these painfully obvious poor decisions to their fanbase. This got me thinking about those two competing fan positions about the series of decisions in the past week: you can either call out the coaching staff/front office for incompetence or you can argue there is a process and the organization has information that we don’t and we should trust their expertise.

The problem here is the truth is binary: either the organization has absolutely no respect for the intelligence level of their fans or they are truly incompetent at their jobs. There is no third option.  Hockey is an entertainment industry.  To take the position that they aren’t accountable to the fans to provide even plausible explanations for their process is absurd. Especially in an environment where fans are looking for guideposts that their continued commitment to the team during difficult times is moving in the right direction.

The whole point of a rebuild is to cultivate and grow a new young core into a future contender.  Part of that process is the kids taking their lumps and learning not only how to be a professional, but how to be a winner over the course of that process.  It is incumbent on the coaching staff to help navigate the trials and tribulations with the lessons that must ultimately be learned for the team to have success.  Quinn to this point has unapologetically not done this.

One of the core tenants of a professional, not just in hockey, but in any industry, is the ability to separate the personal relationship from the professional evaluation of a subordinate’s performance. This is not to say it’s easy.  I work with people every day who struggle with it.  In hockey it is especially difficult due to the close proximity and unique work environment of professional sports and the trust needed to be effective in your position.

This also includes managing egos, competitiveness and pride.  Being able to look a Marc Staal in the face and say “I’m reducing your role because it is in the best interest of the team” is not an optional capability.  Being able to clearly communicate to European players what your expectations are from a personal accountability perspective is not an optional capability.  Most importantly, putting your players in the best position to succeed and tailoring your coaching style to your player’s strengths and not forcing them to fit into your box is not an optional capability.

In this regard, Quinn is failing.  Significantly so.  He clearly values certain types of players over others and has allowed his personal preferences to poison his objectivity. Quinn’s charge was to move the organization into the future and modernize the process of evaluating players and nurture the development of young assets.  The longer we watch this movie, the more apparent it becomes that we have seen it before.

As I’ve said here before (probably ad nauseum), there needs to be a philosophical separation between the current hockey power structure and forward-looking approaches to the game for any meaningful change to take place.  As Albert Einstein once said:

The world as we have created it is a process of our thinking. It cannot be changed without changing our thinking.”

This is especially true in hockey.  Years of cultivating this toxic expectation of boringly insincere faux-selflessness, xenophobic closedmindedness and protectionist exclusion of any discernable deviation in thought has decimated any competing philosophical approach to professional hockey; championed by unqualified, overpaid relics that refuse to cede an ounce of power or influence.

Given the choice between my binary explanation of these moves, I suppose I choose both.  I believe the league and by extension, the organization has a profound lack of respect for the intelligence of the fanbase and a profound lack of process or capability to actually see beyond their own bullshit to make the right decision.

To be clear, this goes way beyond the decisions made over the past week by David Quinn.  It is a symptom of NHL fandom and the inability to break this insane cycle of ignorance. It completely sucks all the enjoyment out of watching the game and following the team.  As time goes on, it starts to feel a little like Groundhog Day.  I guess the question ultimately remains how long we will continue to invest ourselves emotionally and financially in a product with the same defect over and over again before someone fixes it.  How long before the NHL needs to learn the hard lesson that we are not mushrooms?

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  1. Very good , very analytic written and very true also. especially the part “Hockey is a Entertainment Industry” Sometimes you get he feeling all those franchises are really think the are important just for themself. But the bottomline is they responsible to deliver Games which are loved by fans who pay for it . Athletes often think they are the center of universe . There not . There gifted guys who can do things we can’t . And their job is to deliver this product only for the public. And this stand also for the coaches . The customer got to be in this because without the customer no business will survive . thanks for the articel ,sorry for the english , not my native language

  2. Nothing else to say Justin, thank you for a blunt and accurate assessment of the situation.

    The man, sadly, is in over his head. And he’s got that old fool Ruff “helping” him. LOL.

    And I was happy about this hire. I should have known better.

  3. A coach is only as good as the players perform. There was great hope that the first line would carry this team, but it has not and cannot. The 2nd line without a center was doomed from the get go. Having our bottom 2 lines with any combination of Smith, MnKegg and Haley is just bad. Our offense won’t carry this team.

    On the defensive side, 2 rookies and a Staal are not going to be able to hold off the opposition. Add to that a poor system and you have a bad result.

    DQ makes things worse with his in game solutions – constant line changes. He also has favorite players. I think a Gorton / DQ is not far away. Chytil and Kraftsov will arrive by game 12 and we will have atrue youth movement with lower expectations.

  4. Relax. He is allowed a learning curve. Also did you ever think that some of these players are so that the kids can get slot of ice time in Hartford especially now that they have a coach there. Anderson is being babied along with the other rookies before they get more ice time. Kakko is going to be good but needs to develop I personally thought he should have been sent down. Just my opinion for what it is worth

  5. That’s quite a rant. It touches on the mounting frustration of DQ’s moves while the team continue to struggle. I’m not sure about how the ignorance of the fan base and hockey as an entertainment industry ties into DQ’s team floundering though.

    When AV took over the reigns we started to see his system (think stretch passes and quick to the puck forecheck) being carried out after about ten games. The issue with DQ is I don’t see any system or signature style being developed for over a year now. He claims he embraces a tough north/south style. The fact is watching the Rangers I don’t see them playing in this manner. They rarely play fast, forecheck in the O zone or throw body checks. So what is happening exactly? Are the players not capable of playing this style or are they just not believing in this system.

    Aside from this DQ’s doghouse schdict is getting old for us fans. I’m sure the players are getting weary of it too. Especially when Staal, Smith and Howden are trotted out there night after night after making glaring mistakes that lead directly to opposition’s goals.

  6. Dave

    “My theory on DQ is they’re like mushrooms, feed them shit and keep them in the dark”.

    My quote just yesterday, and the way I feel about this two faced coach who is full of fecal matter.

    Please explain to me how many on this site thought Staal should have been bought out before the season ended, and now support his playing as much as he does? How he compliments a player, only to reduce his playing time? How he evaluates players who are not quite up to speed, yet elevates their position to center a second line? How he misplays a very talented kid, but plays him on a second line, and than has the gall to be critical of him?

    “The whole point of a rebuild is to cultivate and grow a new young core into a future contender. Part of that process is the kids taking their lumps and learning not only how to be a professional, but how to be a winner over the course of that process.”

    In camp the Kravtsov kid showed he can play, but was sent down, and destroyed his confidence. Chytil is showing he can center a second line, but is down on the farm while a trio of garbage played yesterdays game. Staal is eating up soooooooooo much playing time, while the Lindgren kid should be there to play, and show some toughness. That same toughness is lacking, and has NEVER been displayed by Marc in his entire career.

    I posted the other day that I was looking at DQ, and he is showing signs of AV all over again. The FO wrote a letter to the fan base explaining that we were going to have a re-build, and we all supported it. We drafted some high quality kids, yet we play relics, retreads, and over the hill gang. Bottom line, I’m starting to lose faith in this coach, and am awaiting for the time that the real teacher steps front, and center, if he is really a teacher??

    JD, are you watching your prized UFA’s, and the players around them not playing up to their standards? I’ll leave it at that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. This may be the last year of the youth movement under DQ. He seems to have less patience than needed as a young coach with a young team. I am sure he will finish out the year, and then we can get a real coach with a team that should be knocking on the door of the playoffs.

    Players need to be groomed with patience and education. He may be teaching them, but his impatience is demoralizing the team. I also think the Lindy Ruff defensive scheme is not working and another coach with a new system needs to be put in place very soon.

    It does not help that Krieder, Buch, Stome and others are not playing great. We can continue to give Howden and Lias slack, but for how much longer?

    We cannot continue to give up 40 shots a night.

  8. Quinn has not had a good start to the season. I have not been impressed with his methods regarding his players. Yo-Yoing them around the lineup and embarrassing them in short pressers after a game does not seem productive.

  9. JD.…….are you happy with DQ??? 3 biggest things from all the above comments scare Rangers fans (1) DQ has his “FAVORITES” no matter what they do on the ice; (2) DQ has failed to put players in spots where they can be successful (i.e. Kakko, Anderson), and (3) DQ is no longer coaching at BU (treat the players with respect and reward them for good play and stop riding your top 4-5 players).

  10. Justin your article hit on many of the same things I’ve been seeing. The better coaches understand their players on and off the ice. Whether it’s hockey or any other sport. You figure out what type of players you have has your core and then install a system to fit the players you have. Being where in NYC just remember Pat Riley yes it’s basketball but his coaching is my point. In LA he had showtime in NYC the Knicks were a grinding tough team and Miami a blend of both. He let the players play the style that fit them. He had no favorites just guys who he challenged to give more over a course of a season. Players play coaches coach. DQ could get away with favorites in college or my system in college but this is professional hockey. Ryan Strome isn’t any good and Howden isn’t what he wishes him to be and Staal has been through to many battles. Put the Breadman on a line with Luas and Kaapo and put the KBZ back together. I don’t know why the Rangers never can find a true heavyweight that can play to protect their players. PEACE.

  11. Team is failing miserably, trying to play a brand of hockey that they are not built for. We are built for speed, not mucking in the corners, but the coach insists on playing that way. We would be better off having a defenseman join the rush with the understanding that a C will get back to help quickly. I think Krieder needs to be back on the first line. Buch is an enigma and Kakko needs to learn 2 way hockey.

    The defense requires Staal sit some games and Smith be in the AHL. Brady Skjei needs a change of scenery.

    DQ needs to leave all 4 lines alone for 3 games straight.

  12. Guys – I’m aware of an issue with the comments. I’m working on it, but I honestly don’t know why the comments aren’t nesting. It may take a little bit, but know I’m aware of it.

  13. Looks to me like Justin broke out his thesaurus. I’m glad I still enjoy watching the team and the process. I am still excited about the future of this team and the orginzation.

    Justin, if you no longer enjoy todays NHL, may I suggest you find something that makes you happy. Life’s too short to spend time hating what you do! You need changes so that you can be happy.

  14. Good article – exactly what I’ve been thinking. If your plan is to develop young prospects you have to put them on the ice and let them learn by doing. Seems like the only thing they’re learning from Quinn is that if they sneeze out of the left nostril instead of the right they will spend the rest of the night on the bench.

  15. I’m laughing as I imagine even attempting to post here in a language that is not my own. Well done Wilbert!

  16. PAS44, the Canucks were a weary road team, the 3rd period was a result of them running out of gas, not the Rangers all of a sudden turning it on. Don’t get excited, lol.

    JoeS. We’re here to discuss and sometimes criticize. I liked this coaching hire but he has proven to be AV Part Deux. And what’s worse is that he’s taking spots away from the young players that should be playing here. JD has to step in at some point.

  17. This is not the NFL where season can be over really fast. There are three or four guys that need to be weeded. Guys in Hartford will be back up. In the meantime, let him tinker. Kreider is a weak spot. He doesn’t do much well.

  18. Wow – What a difference a year makes.

    How do you spell rebuild? P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E…..

    This rise in expectations of the current team’s play is of our own making. It is hard not to be excited and have high expectations given the successful off-season. But it is still a rebuild, restructure, retool or whatever it is.

    It took a little time last year for Quinn to adjust to the players and vice versa. But they all did adjust and they were competitive to the end. And it will take a little time this year as there are significant additions in Kakko, Panarin, Trouba, and of course Michael Haley.

    We all just need to chill a bit – we are six games in. There is too much talent for this team not to excel. But let’s remember they are young. And there are still more young ones still to come.

    Ruff has to go though.

  19. Justin, the choice isn’t binary. The Rangers have a long history of sucking up to their fans. Almost all organizations have had to make a decision on deadline day – buyer or seller. not the Rangers, they were always buyers. The fans wanted to win and they wanted to win now. But something changed a year and a half ago. They committed to a rebuild. They upped their assessment of the intelligence of the fan base. They decided Ranger fans were not just instant gratification hounds, but rather fans who wanted to win and who, while they might moan and groan during the process, would ultimately come around when the team was good again.

    I don’t know if Quinn is getting it right. But I have much more hope than I had last year when he seemed to just roll out kids who had no business in the NHL. Let’s consider some facts:

    You want the players to get used to winning. They are doing just that in Hartford.

    Who really should be playing on defense. Dave interviewed someone who watches the Pack carefully. He rated Vincent LoVerde (Pack signee, not a Ranger) as best defenseman. If he’s right – and we have no reason to doubt him – no one in Hartford is better than a career AHLer. That includes Mr. Lindgren, who stunk in NY last year BTW. We may not like the seven guys on the current roster, but they are the best seven we have. Moreover, the young guys are being put in a position to succeed (perhaps excessively). Quinn is keeping ADA and Fox off the PK, i.e., not forcing them to do something they would not be good at at this point in their career. Yet he insists on keeping three kids in the lineup and so is forced to carry Smith as a seventh defenseman to complete his PK unit. [Smith is defenseman #7, not forward #12, people need to realize that.] Another point on defense – if matchups and systems are designed to make Staal the fall guy as he appear to be, isn’t DQ bolstering the confidence of the young players.

    Has Lias Andersson been put in a position to succeed? Guess what, he’s succeeding and so the answer to the first question is obvious. I think Andersson is a smart kid and what he learned last year was that he sucked. He is unlearning that this year. Giving him a chance to fail as 2C would endanger everything.

    Incidentally, using traditional numbers, Kakko has been the worst Ranger forward. The second line has not been any good as a trio – it wasn’t Strome holding back an otherwise great line.

    Seriously though, the Rangers simply do not have enough good players (and ironically the Namestnikov trade worsened the situation). Some players are going to be overmatched – it is inevitable. Isn’t a coach who somehow gets all of the overmatched players to be veterans a genius?

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    Would I do exactly what DQ has done? I doubt it. I would never dress Haley ahead of McKegg for example. I would not even have Haley on my team. I would want Chityl and diGuiseppi brought up, but Chityl is a delicate matter. I believe a properly motivated and instructed Chityl is a HOF candidate. I don’t know how precisely to get there, but I think it is important to try to do so and consider the fact that Chityl is likely the second best center in the system now of lesser import.

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    Finally, sorry but I can’t resist. If playing kids is so important, why aren’t Shesterkin and Georgiev sharing goaltending duties? It would not only be a commitment to youth, but a more active goalie helps the young defensemen clear the zone. We can argue about how good Hank is, but there is no doubt that his entire tenure has been one long disparagement of Ranger defensemen. He has always been good at two things – keeping the puck out of the net and making hi teammates look bad. I would argue that for a young team, the second point is paramount.

  20. It is still a rebuild. Let that sink in. The kids are still learning. Let them be bad again this year and possibly next.
    Need to stockpile some more and clear out the rest of the dead wood.
    Quinn will be gone in a year or two. They wont win with him at the helm. What I hope is that he is instilling a mental and physical toughness and work ethic and not just making them hesitant to make mistakes for fear of benching.

  21. This team and every team needs to balance contractual issues with on ice performance. Our high priced goalie, the Staal, Skjei and Smith contracts on D as well as the Strome and Krieder contracts are all not providing full ROI.

    DQ wants all his players to play 200′ hockey, but some just cannot do that. DQ was right for the job last year but may be over his head with the team assembled this year. He needs better on-ice performance and he needs to be better in command of the everyday lineup. He needs to not change lines every other shift.

    Smith, McKegg, Haley and Strome should not be everyday players on this team. Their upside is very limited. We know that Buch and CK are streaky players. DQ needs to take charge by not dressing Skjei and Staal or Smith. He also needs better alternatives than McKegg and Haley.

    Bring up Chytil, Kraftsov and Lettieri NOW. At least then we can all know we are a young team with limits on success. Even bring up another young defenseman. This team and DQ require a do-over.

    Here is what he needs
    Krieder/Zib/Buch
    Panarin/Chytil/Kakko
    Strome/Howden/Kraftsov
    Fast/Lias/Lemieux

    Let these lines play and leave them alone.

  22. I think part of what is bugging me is the ‘look at the burden I’m shouldering’ affect Quinn displayed in his recent post-game interviews. To keep the room, you have to do more than look exasperated when a young team has a bad night. They are learning after all. Sure they are going to suck some nights. Being Drama Queen Quinn and looking so darn disappointed when it happens is a matter of ego, not coaching.

  23. The Rangers have not undergo a rebuild. They have in fact torn apart the team. Only Lundqvist, Fast, Zib, Smith, Staal, Skjei and dead man walking Kreider remain. The game of hockey is all about team chemistry. This team has very little. They have filled 12 vacant positions with rookies and free agents. As the new players learn their roles and learn how to play together they should get better. But as I have said before, once you dismantle a team, it can take years to put a competitive club back together. Quinn has his work cut out for him.

  24. Quinn won’t last the year. Deep in their hearts, JD and Gorton spent money to make this a playoff team and Quinny ain’t delivering. As much as we are a young team, Trouba and Panarin should make us a .500 team, but Quinn has them playing like crap. He has got to go!

  25. For now, I will side with Boomer E. Boomer stated Ranger fan expectations are unrealistic at this point in time. Boomer feels the team is still trying to sort things out and will improve as the season goes on. I will wait another 14-16 games and then vote for Richter to coach the team! Let’s stay positive…….Vets are being showcased early with the hope that a GM makes a move for one of them……Keep the faith!

  26. JoeS.

    Why is it that if someone has a different opinion than your’s, they are haters???????

    “Justin, if you no longer enjoy todays NHL, may I suggest you find something that makes you happy. Life’s too short to spend time hating what you do”!

    The thumbs down crowd is out in full force today, and are still contributing NOTHING to the conversation, please post your opinion, and show us how much you know??????

  27. Peter I agree with your last statement, but Quinn is human and teaching the same things over and over and not getting results is, indeed, exasperating. Again, he needs to try a little harder to be positive, and he usually is, but also human. he will have bad days as do we all. I would rather his brand of telling it like it is than Torts, that A-hole never let the fans know what he thought, one of the reasons I despised him here very quickly after getting to know his style.

    Having said that, the narrative this org is unfriendly to fans or thinks them stupid could not be further from the truth and I suspect that comes from Justin’s “exasperation” at this Org., specifically and the NHL in general. This Org. treat the fans very well at every turn.

  28. Walt, perhaps you are right! I may have used a word, “hate” ,that was a little strong. However, the fact is that we all knew, especially Justin and the rest of the educated writers on this site, that we are a year and a half into a rebuild. Infusing youth, as we can, as much as possible. We all also knew it wouldn’t happen over night. So, this soon into the season, I thought it was unfair for Justin to write such a scathing rebuke of not just the Rangers rebuild and DQ but also the entire NHL. He seemed very unhappy to me and I have a certain philosophy that if you are not happy, you must seek change, even if it is hard, because life is too short to not be happy. I did not call him a hater. I merely said he hates what he does and should seek change. Again, perhaps hate was a strong word, but I was just wanting Justin to find happiness.

    Please, Walt, it is unfair to characterize me as someone who thinks others with differing opinions are haters. That is categorically not true. You of all people should know that, as we disagree more than we agree.

  29. Walt,

    Strong objection to your attack on the thumbs down crowd today. Sometimes people use this device inappropriately, but I really like it today. Your first comment got 11 ups and 9 downs while my first comment got 7 ups and 11 downs. We are on opposite sides here and from the general comments, there are a decent number on each side. The thumbs really do give an impression of what people are thinking.

    Of course, I won’t defend the two thumbs down Dave got for telling us he was aware of the comment problem and trying to fix it.

  30. I have no problem with the thumbs down, it’s fans opinions, which is fine.

    But don’t click the thumbs down for ripping the coach who does not agree with the patience of a rebuild by playing these veteran stiffs.

    Those fans want to be patient? Fine, so do I, then you should not support a coach who does not think the same way.

    My ripping of the coach comes 100% from wanting ALL the young players playing in important roles. The Rangers do that, then I have no problem with the losses. But the losses are coming with a vet, stiff lineup.

    So it’s currently lose/lose for us fans. And if management supports all this, then we really, really have a problem that will last a long time.

  31. They draft Andersson at No. 7 then send him to Hartford to “learn to skate.” Now they draft Kakko at No.2 and Quinn says his game doesn’t translate to the NHL?? Quinn says he wants a physical team that is hard to play against, but the Rangers present one of the lightest rosters, certainly in the Metro and certainly on defense. Chytil is busying himself with the Wolfpack. Anybody see who played QB for the Giants yesterday – or the Cardinals for that matter. HELP! Which way is up again?

  32. While he certainly lost myself and others on this blog. And probably the players as well. But, if those in management running the team have not felt the same, we are in for a long season. Until JD makes some moves. Don’t believe anyone else has the balls.

  33. Ray

    There are a handful of these people who do this everyday. Be it with Tanto, myself, and others, they automatically go that route. If you feel that way, please defend your position, don’t show what an ass you are on a daily basis. If you haven’t noticed, I address the trio that do that routine daily to me as Moe, Larry, and Curly. I suspect you know who they were, LOL!!!!!!!!!
    Today there were more than usual, but at least there were also more than usual number of people expressing their opinion, and I would never question them……..

  34. Richter,

    I don’t think you are considering all the variables. In your model, it seems like the most valuable experience a young player can have is playing in an NHL game and these experiences are ordered by how important the role the player is assigned in that game. I think it is way more complicated.

    I think that if we looked at every decision where you and DQ disagree, there would be some where he is right and some where you are right. I would be astounded if that were not the case. I suspect that he is more often right, but that is speculation.

    But I offer one case in point. Filip Chityl is very talented. Last year, the Rangers did it your way and he was a bad player. Oh sure, better than Cody McLeod, but still a bad player. And he did not grow during the season; he just stayed bad. He comes back this year and has a lackluster camp. He gets sent to Hartford and is emerging as a star, playing as fart as I’ve heard much better than anyone has seen him in the past. In hindsight, we can say that not sending him down would have been a horrific blunder this year and was a horrific blunder last year. At some point, he needs to be brought back up of course. Maybe the right day was last Tuesday; maybe it is not until November 19th. But it was absolutely crucial that he have some time in Hartford.

    And this has nothing to do with whether Haley or Chityl is the better player, but everything to do with making Chityl the player he can be.

    Isn’t it possible that young player learn systems better by playing alongside of guys who know those systems – even if frankly the other player sucks?

  35. 100% Ray! Bravo! This is what I’m talking about. A rebuild is about patience, whether it be for a young man to be his best NHLer or for a senior making big bucks to fade away. To put all youngsters in the NHL to fail and bench all seniors who can no longer do it, just is not the way.

    1. Yes but you need a coach who can develop the young players. I get no indication from this guy that he is capable of developing young players. So far they are all getting worse.

  36. I feel bad for Keider. He’s the Carlos Beltran of the the NYR. What would you like him to do, have 12 hits, 2 goals and 3 assists a night.?He’s definitely not our problem . I know people view him as talented, but not a hard worker, but ALL hockey players save their energy for when they need it. You can’t skate like he does all night long, it’s impossible.
    With that being said , if he scores early in the game, it could have been a different story. We don’t hit ANYONE, don’t move or punish ANYONE in the crease, don’t protect our goalie, and don’t outwork anyone on the wall, that’s more of what upsets me than individual performances this early in the year.
    Staal is the most overrated player in the history of hockey, and we have some young “D” waiting in the wings

  37. Raymond, Dach came up and played on the first line right away and I read that he did not look out of place.

    So putting talented young players with vet stiffs does them zero good.

    How is Lias being helped by playing with Haley and Smith? How? There is zero inherent value in doing that. And then fans have the laughable nerve to say that Lias is not showing anything. I wonder why.

    And the funny thing is that, putting pts to the side for a moment, that Lias’ game is much better this year than last year, due to his own offseason training.

  38. Tony

    Great points, seems to be a tough concept for some to understand. What’s the adage, you have to walk before you can run. One can’t walk if they aren’t given a shot at standing up first.

    Good morning to the three savants, I expect you to have fun this morning Moe, Larry, and Curly!!!!!!! Maybe the new handle for them should be the Raymond Trio……………………….

  39. This is a terrible coach. None of the young players get any better, they all seem to be getting worse. If left here he is going to ruin Kaako. Only some players are held accountable, others (Marc Staal) stink up the ice every night and are never benched. Brendan Smith playing forward and defense in the same game is RIDICULOUS. He’s barely an NHL caliber player. The fact that Michael Haley is on this team is a disgrace. Lines are a mess every night, and make no sense. Which was basically a carry over from last year. I have seen all I need to, he needs to go, and now, before he sends this re-build into a tail spin that will take 5 years to get out of.

  40. The article and all but a few replies are exactly why management speaks to you like you’re a mushroom head. Let Quinn play who he wants, where he wants, when he wants, it’s his team. You sound like the guy who waits two hours to speak with Francessa and when you finally get on the air your radio is blaring in the background and your question is so ill thought out that Francessa has no choice but to respond like you’re a mushroom head.

  41. I guess I am the only one who likes Quinn. I think he’s the best coach the Rangers have had since Emile Francis.

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