And now we wait

david quinn

The NHL season is over. Alex Ovechkin has finally lifted a Stanley Cup. The NHL Draft is a few weeks away. This is going to be the calm before the storm. There will be theories. There will be speculation. There will be spitballing. There will be rumors. It’s going to be a fun time.

For me, I enjoy spending time thinking about how the Rangers can maximize on their current assets for the rebuild without completely tanking next season. They can’t tank with Henrik Lundqvist in net, he’s just too good. His in game performances alone mean they won’t finish below the bottom feeders. So we can kiss that theory goodbye.

However the Rangers still have a bunch of assets that can be used to fetch prospects and picks. Mats Zuccarello, Chris Kreider, and possibly Kevin Shattenkirk, if they go this route. Cap space is also an asset that can be used to get a prospect or a pick.

They have oodles of picks this year, with many in the first three rounds. They can use these to perhaps pry a Jacob Trouba from Winnipeg, if that option is still there. There are a ton of question marks on the blue line, so I can see Jeff Gorton looking to make a move for an immediate fix. I can also see him waiting to see what David Quinn can get out of Brady Skjei, John Gilmour, Neal Pionk, and Tony DeAngelo.

We still don’t have any assistants for Quinn, other than perhaps Lindy Ruff. That news will come at some point as well. We may also finally get news on what Ruff’s role for next year will be.

I, for one, am excited that teams can finally start making trades and begin their offseasons in earnest. Quinn was just the first of many moves the Rangers will make. It’s going to be interesting, all the way through July 1. Buckle up, Rangers fans.

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79 thoughts on “And now we wait

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 9:13 am

    I have been a Ranger fan since 1965, I think this is the most excited that I have ever been for the draft and this offseason.

    Should be fun and interesting. A lot of NHL teams looking to “shake things up” including Chicago, Edmonton, Calgary, Arizona, and Ottawa, all having different new directions that they may go in.

    • Jun 9, 2018 at 2:19 pm

      The first 4 are perfect trade partners to overpay for Chris Kreider. I feel like this team never gets mentioned but Anaheim are always looking to shake things up. The fact that Kesler will miss most of next season might make them move Rackell as the 2c and from there they could use the top 6 help.

      • Jun 9, 2018 at 2:30 pm

        I think that a lot of teams will be looking to make moves. I cited the teams I hear the most mentioned.

        Kreider is basically untouchable for trade, or it would take a massive offer that the Rangers cannot refuse to trade him. CK may be the next Captain.

        • Jun 9, 2018 at 4:17 pm

          I really dislike talking about who’s going to be the next captain. I think it’s like the definition of speculation with no real insight until it happens. Management and players have to vote on this and because of that I think Shatty has a better shot at being the captain, I think he has the attention of the locker room or at least more than Kreider does. Homie needs to continue to see a therapist to learn how to play like a power forward in all 3 zones.

          Untouchable? No way, I don’t believe that for a second. I think it’s a safe assumption due to his qualities like being big, fast and strong with a new coach who knows him. If he’s the same Kreider of the past who can just add 8 or 9 extra points who doesn’t bring a nasty edge than he’ll fall out of favor real quick. Those trade rumors last year always tend to hover around if expectations aren’t being met. I also could see a trade going down this summer with Edmonton and him being the center piece that they would want.

          • Jun 9, 2018 at 7:12 pm

            I don’t know who might be Captain, I was just giving my own personal opinion.

            Kreider is a rarity in the NHL of size and extremely fast skating ability. That makes him basically untouchable for trade. Again, if he does go in trade, then it will be for an elite player in the NHL, in a package.

            Honestly, Kreider, Hayes, Vesey, etc., why do you think that they hired Quinn? And if Tkachuk is available at the 5th pick, then the Rangers will do all they can to trade with AZ to pick him. Problem is that Habs or Sens may pick Brady at 3 or 4.

          • Jun 9, 2018 at 7:18 pm

            If you have to vote for your captain, you don’t have one.

            • Jun 9, 2018 at 7:35 pm

              Good point.

              Bill Parcells used to say that if you cannot decide between 3 QBs who your starter is, then you don’t have any.

        • Jun 9, 2018 at 4:30 pm

          Soul Brother, Anthony:
          Clearly you got into the mescal. Or some other Dionysian indulgence before posting.

          Dude, I go to lengths prefacing each and every response to yours, Big Walt’s, hit-man Swarty, or Paul Raunchy’s posts with their due respect.

          But even a self-defined gonzo-transrationalist/post-postmod/post deconstructionist such as myself can’t find logic in your advocacy. Kreider, donning The C?…

          Huh, okay, paisan: As in upper-Caste Captive to whatever Cabaret, Cantata or Caesura in his mind that brings on those lengthy–no-hit/no care–disappearances (Ottawa/CF)?

          … The same tune-out that Captures the beast that Could’ve been Cam Neely-Gary Roberts, snuffing out any real, or discernible Cathexis?

          … Whose underachieving Carve-Outs turn us Kreider watchers into Carping Cassandra’s?

          Face the facts brother man, from The Room onto the ice. Not since Mess, Adam Graves, Dubi have we had a take names/numbers, show me accountability type. A la The Canucks giving The C to Roberto Luongo, we should do likewise: give it to The King.


          • Jun 9, 2018 at 8:31 pm

            Hey bro!! Hope all is well!!

            See the Kreider that played after his illness? I think that’s the CK you will see on a regular basis. Make no mistake my friend, CK hated AV, with a passion (yes, I know this).

            That night in TB when CK went after Stamkos to stick up for a vulnerable McD put CK and the rest of the Rangers over the edge with the coach. So why the extension? Sather loves AV, simple as that.

            So if you look at the roster, then who do you pick? I guess we wait to see who comes, because if Tavares comes then he gets the “C.”

            But other than that, who on the Rangers gets it? Zuc? He may not even be here for that.

            So I say CK by process of elimination, unless they go with 3 “As.”

            I thought that you could not give the “C” to a goalie. Am I mistaken?

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 9:14 am

    The next two weeks are going to drag, with the draft coming up, and potential trades, great time to be a Ranger fan!!!!!

    In all the years following this team, I can’t remember feeling soooooooooooo good for the upcoming season……………..

    • Jun 9, 2018 at 10:24 am

      Nah, it won’t drag, Walt, just watch, especially now that the SC Finals are over, starting today let the trade talk moving forward and NHL rumor mills begin up until draft day……

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 10:15 am

    They’re in a good position right now, where they can, and should, be kicking the tires on any interesting deals, but they’re still not driven to make any bad deals. Even if they just hold on to what they’ve got, we’re looking at some decent prospects, and 7 draft picks in the top three rounds. Gorton should take his time, keep his cards close to his vest, and wait for some other GM to get stupid, greedy, or desperate.

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 10:22 am

    I have waited for this my whole life. All I can remember is giving away young players and picks and now we are the ones getting them! Somebody pinch me!!
    I have rooted for this team since 1962 and this is the first time I’ve been this excited about the off season. My hope is we do a full rebuild. Trade Zucc as well and get even more picks or prospects. June 22nd can’t come fast enough for me.

    • Jun 9, 2018 at 12:32 pm

      After reading the first sentence I thought you are twelve;)

      I’m glad you are excited! The same thing was happening between 2005/06 and 2010 or so:) I’m excited too! It’s like waiting to see if you won the lottery;)

    • Jun 9, 2018 at 2:57 pm

      We don’t need more prospects, and for Zucc you will not get high enough, let me remind you we have Hajek, Lindgren, Day, Howden, Nieves, Lettieri, Chytil, Andersson, we’ll have 5 more in a 1st 2 rounds this year, we are going I guess to get some for Namestnikov and Spooner, but Zucc player with balls we need to keep him, otherwise rebuilding will be too long

      • Jun 9, 2018 at 7:27 pm

        You can never have enough prospects. You make them NHL ready, then keep them or trade them for either impact assets or future assets.

        How you manage your 50 man roster/reserve list is another issue.

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 11:03 am

    I took an 18-month break from engaging with the Rangers. Love the club, dislike the ownership and loathed he who shall remain nameless. Just had enough, as I thought the organization was two seasons behind the curve with a lot of personnel decisions and was wasting my time as a fan of 45 years.

    I am so thankful the rebuild has begun and I can engage with enthusiasm again.

    Here’s to a quality off-season and exciting new season !

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 12:47 pm

    Kreider should not be traded because he has not reached his ceiling. In fact, every player should get a chance to prove that AV might have had a affected their play negatively. Except for Smith. Besides, he is only 27. Trade value will not deviate greatly between 27 and 28. It’s not like 29 and 30.

    • Jun 9, 2018 at 2:47 pm

      Kreider couldn’t hang with the grittz coach himself Torts who expected everyone to get their working hat on every night to dump and chase and get after the puck. AV comes along with his uptempo system that’s surrounded by speed ( see Grabner) and no difference in his game. It’s nobody’s fault that he has only been able to post up 47-50 points a seasons. Hayes puts that up as a forward who transitioned to a 3rd line center out of the blue. Meanwhile Kreider got on the top line and on stacked PP’s with the likes of Yandle, Brassard, Zucc, Nash, Zib and Buch. Kreider fans have some fake oppressed story of how he couldn’t get it together because of this or that, it’s always something. At this point he’s a little better than being a top 6 complimentary player. At the end of the day he won’t be the best at what he brings in every night on the ice, he has his 6-7 games where he’s the man and the rest are him in the passenger seat. You best believe that he’ll be under the microscope to get traded if he doesn’t get moved this summer.

      • Jun 9, 2018 at 11:22 pm

        Or maybe you just put him on his off hand.

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 1:12 pm

    Never been looking forward to the draft and free agency like this season and I’ve been following since them sixties. Knowing our history I think I’m building up to a big let down hope not.

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    After watching the finals, i hope we can get a few that can play with the intesity and tuffness needed to be a winning team.

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    Hate to be of a different opinion, but this next year for the Rangers is going to be UGLY. I doubt that any of the skilled players will finish the year with the team, and that includes Henrick. If the team has another bad start, plan on watching GM and coach make quick departures. Trade deadline will watch the departure of all but the worst. The Rangers will be a bottom feeder team this year and probably a few more after that. I also have been a fan since the sixties (1967 to be exact) and it is going to be another long sad season of being a fan.

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 1:51 pm

    I to have been a Ranger fan since 1965 and never have been this excited to get to draft day. Let’s hope mistakes of the past don’t happen again and please keep Sather away. It’s time to get some toughness and gritty players on this team. To many years of pretty boys on the cover of GQ magazine. How about some intensity, snarl and toothless faces that will stick up for each other and just want to win. And for God sakes get some guys who can score. Wahlstrom would be nice.

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    Oh boy oh boy, I am 64 and when I think of the upcoming draft I have the same feelings one might have had as a 12 year-old looking at his favorite sport. That is the big difference this year. Some picks will be great. Some will never pan out. Some will be a lot better than we thought. That is the way it is with drafts. But on draft day, hope springs eternal!

    • Jun 9, 2018 at 11:41 pm

      Maybe for you; but when I look at players I’m always looking at what they need to work on and what the likelihood is for them to fix it.

      Height you can’t fix.

      Weight you can fix, but can be problematic.

      Skating you can fix

      Toughness you can’t fix

      Compete is tough to fix, need lots of peer pressure.

      Skill you can refine, but can’t fix.

      Spatial awareness(what some people call hockey sense) you either have or don’t.

      • Jun 10, 2018 at 6:24 am

        Reenavipul you are an astute hockey observer and very knowledgeable. But don’t kill my buzz man!

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 3:26 pm

    Dave, do you have a feeling how many guys are in play on defense at the present time? One expects Shattenkirk, Staal, Skjei to be in the top seven at this time – and I think Pionk belongs there are as well. One has to consider Brendan Smith in the mix I think though he may start in Hartford. Gilmour and DeAngelo are contenders, though I doubt locks. But out of Lindgren, Hajek, Day, how many are seriously fighting to make the roster? Will they bring back O’Gara?

    I suspect that a move for a Trouba is not in the cards now. In the short term, he cuts down the playing time for the kids. It seems wiser to use the room to sort out the kids and then acquire a star when you know what you are doing.

    • Jun 9, 2018 at 4:35 pm

      Trouba is a star my friend. Top pair righty D man.

      • Jun 9, 2018 at 5:25 pm

        I wasn’t questioning Trouba’s value, just pointing out that acquiring him before sorting out the kid defensemen would be inconvenient since it would freeze guys out of the lineup.

        Probably though, you are right. Acquiring the guy you want now is liikely better than expecting the right guy to be available a year from now.

        • Jun 9, 2018 at 7:17 pm

          Jacob is their top D man target, if he is even available.

          But 30 teams will be in on him so acquiring will be very tough. If acquired though, he’s here for the next 10 years, leading the Rangers’ D corps.

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    Ray,I don’t know if you follow Blue Shirt bulletins Prospect Park,but Jess who writes the column thinks Hajek & Day are ready offensively,but need a year or two more seasoning on the defensive end,he’s actually stated at this point in their development they’re defensive liabilities.

    • Jun 9, 2018 at 5:27 pm


    • Jun 9, 2018 at 11:30 pm

      Jess Rubenstein is not a good judge of talent.

      Day is a better D than Gilmour right now. That’s not saying much, but it is truth.

      • Jun 10, 2018 at 8:23 pm

        Whether he’s a good judge of talent I’ll reserve my judgement until training camp & beyond,he is however the only person I’m aware of who writes a NYR Prospect only blog,has been doing it along time,is obviously a Ranger fan & wants these guys to succeed,he also gives video analysis of the strength & weaknesses he’s talking about.
        I really don’t get to see enough of these prospects except for a handful of playoff games & video highlights,so he’s more qualified than I am to critique these guys,he gets to see every game.
        If Day is better than Gilmore right now,that isn’t saying much but at the age of 20 I guess that’s a good sign,I didn’t see as much of Day as I did Hajek because Hajek made it all the way to the Memorial Cup,but in that small sample size I did see some of his defensive weaknesses,he(Hajek) does turn the puck over alot,but I think both these guys being 20 they have time to work on any weaknesses they may have.
        Do you think either of these guys are closer than a year or two away from playing in the NHL?

        • Jun 10, 2018 at 9:06 pm

          Day is the #4 D on the team, Hajek right there. D is solid enough in a structured role., have Lindy in his ear and he’ll blossom quickly.

          • Jun 10, 2018 at 9:32 pm

            We shall see,I certainly hope they both pan out,whether its this year or a year or 2 from now.

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 5:32 pm

    The Rangers likely won’t tank next year because they have too much talent and the front office doesn’t want to. Only way it happens is if Quinn doesn’t have a clue and screws up big time or they have a milliion injuries.

    BUT a good goalie does not prevent tanking by himself. Raanta ked the league in save percentage and GAA this year, only started four games fewer than Hank and still the Yotes had the third worst record.

    • Jun 9, 2018 at 7:18 pm

      They make the playoffs next year Raymond, book it.

      • Jun 9, 2018 at 7:37 pm

        We shall see. I need to look at what team they ultimately field. I really like Chityl. But I expect to have a wide range of expectations with an unknown coach and so many kids.

    • Jun 9, 2018 at 11:33 pm

      The month that Raanta was out the Coyotes got crushed, would’ve been a borderline playoff team if he started the season.

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 6:46 pm

    Since we are stating our bona fides…fan since 1969. I have always been middling on Kreider. Never put it together but I always figured he was the guy we trade and then he becomes the animal he should be. I say give him a shot with greater maturity under Quinn. If he doesnt start to show what we have all been awaiting then maybe he is a trade deadline deal. I too am excited but nervous given Ranger history of talent evaluation. Seems even on the stray occasion when we spot them, we end up trading them (Curt Bennett, Rick Middleton, Tony Amonte, Marc Tinordi…see, I AM ancient!)….

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 9:39 pm

    Want to trade Kreider but keep Lundqvist….Man some of you Ranger fans and your paparazzi…just shaking my head

    F’ing rebuild….stick to it….sheeesh man

  • Jun 9, 2018 at 10:43 pm

    reading that brooks article cemented my opinion that nyr need to trade hank this season. he needs that cup on his resume. nyr also will never truly tank with him in net. im ok with dealing Kreider but only if a top 3 pick is in play. otherwise a big pass.

  • Jun 10, 2018 at 12:10 am

    “They can’t tank with Henrik Lundqvist in net, he’s just too good. His in game performances alone mean they won’t finish below the bottom feeders.”

    This statement sums up this blog. In so many horrible ways.

    This site really is pathetic…you can’t deviate from the establishment one bit. Praise the all mighty and pat each other on the back but god forbid you try to actually make a counter point or simply just try to have a discussion about hockey, no one on here has any actually reading comprehension skills. The words go in but only a select few words that they hate are remembered. It is like high school all over again. I never realized til today why that was, but now knowing just how old most of you people are tells me everything I need to know. Kid you have to listen to the rules and do what your told. Eff that.

    Let me make one simple statement and I hope all of you read it.

    Just cause someone thinks different then you do, this doesn’t automatically make them wrong.

    You baby boomers are the decline of this once great country and it is because you have had everything spoon fed to you. But you never once stopped to look around to see who is actually feeding you.

    Hank is no guarantee to success cause if that was true explain last season? The only team worse then us was chicago after the deadline. And we had the almighty CK back and Zib and Buch…I know …I know it was AV’s fault. I know. And what has changed since that day? We signed an inexperienced coach with no titles at any level on his resume. Yet you are optimistic? Talk about masochistic. I am happy we got all those picks and it is reason to be slightly excited but til those picks turn into actual players on the ice at the NHL….. I am going to temper my emotion. Cause like most here….I know those picks could very well get traded for some overhyped piece of garbage.

    • Jun 10, 2018 at 1:03 am

      saying hank is enough to ruin a real tank isn’t guaranteeing success at all. all it is saying that over 82 games…. we will likely not finish bottom 3. I don’t know whats so rocket science with that statement. ditto with Patrick kane.

      as for what will be different next season…. not much until they get a significant talent upgrade all over. sry zucc as top point fwd isn’t gonna cut it. that is tank worthy. also this draft doesn’t really excite me. 9th overall will not be a franchise player. lias = mcilrath 2.0.

      • Jun 10, 2018 at 2:56 am

        I feel you are agreeing with me but not really sure. your drinklish is hard to figure out.

        But one thing is for sure ………I like your point on Lias! I have felt he was a flop the second after we picked him 7th overall and he wasn’t slated to get drafted til much later. I feel he will be a 3rd or 4th line center and have a very productive career as one just like Dominic Moore. But what a waste of a pick at that level.

        • Jun 10, 2018 at 7:42 am

          Ok, so instead of Andersson, who would you have picked?

          And I would have picked one of 2 others instead of Andersson but I will wait to tell you after you disclose who your picks would have been if you were in the Rangers’ shoes.

          You even get the benefit of going back to look up who was drafted after #7 to make your picks.

          • Jun 10, 2018 at 9:27 am

            Any other center. I mean do you want me to read off the list of possible centers that went after Lias?

            First off …if I am armchair GMing I would never make that trade in the first place with Arizona ….I knew the value of Stepan and how hard he was going to be to replace.

            • Jun 10, 2018 at 9:50 am

              I will give you my 2 picks: Mittlestat or Tippet, and it probably would have been Tippet, as he was generally regarded as the best goal scorer available when the Rangers’ picked. But I would have been happy with Mittlstat as well.

              The Stepan trade was very simple: The Rangers viewed him as a 50ish pt per season player and the $6.5M he was going to get under a no trade contract was not worth it.

              Where I disagree with the Rangers is adding Raanta to the deal. I take issue with that.

              • Jun 10, 2018 at 11:40 am

                Maybe you missed the post I made about how Stepan’s contract really wasn’t that big of an albatross that all on here make it out to be. Go to cap geek and look up centers that score 50 points consistently and see exactly what they are making. He is not much different contract wise then the others in his group. I think O’Reilly was the precursor to this contract that Stepan got. And now we are hearing rumors to trade for him…lol

                As far as Lias……….. as a fan I really do hope I am wrong. I hope he proves to be a force in the coming years and that definitely will speed up the rebuilding years. I just never liked the trade and til he proves to be a NHL caliber player the Rangers got raped on that trade and it isn’t even close.

              • Jun 10, 2018 at 11:46 am

                From what I know and heard at the time, the Rangers did not want to be “married” to Stepan with his contract, I do not think it was just the cap hit per se. If he did not have the no trade clause then he might still be here.

                As for Andersson, nobody knows yet. But I will say that picking 7th overall, usually you go for the potentially elite offensive player, especially since the Rangers do not pick at that spot too often. For example, I think that Chytil has way more upside, not that HE should have been the pick at #7 but just making a comparison for this discussion.

    • Jun 10, 2018 at 7:30 am

      “You baby boomers are the decline of this once great country and it is because you have had everything spoon fed to you. But you never once stopped to look around to see who is actually feeding you.”

      Really? Because I am a baby boomer and no one gave me anything to get to where I am now. I have no idea who you are referring to that “feeds” us baby boomers, because my parents were blue collar. Stick to hockey posts.

      And as far as hockey is concerned, I have no problem with disagreeing posts or thoughts, except they are usually “off-the-cuff” opinions with zero evidence to support the opinions, kind of like your post.

      Again, and the numbers support what I am about to say, Hank is the ONLY reason for the success that this team as had over his career. No elite forward (other than Jagr for a short period of time) and no elite D man has been on the Rangers’ team the same time as Hank. Can you name one or two? Doubt it, unless you want to reach to try and justify (great win BTW!!) your narrative or anyone else’s narrative about him.

      Nor do the defensive numbers for the team support the idea that Hank is the reason the Rangers do not have a Cup. When the Rangers are ranked with such teams as Arizona and Buffalo when it comes to giving up high quality scoring chances, then it’s a pretty good bet that the team sucks at defense.

      So other than the fact that you intended to personally offend people here and spew ridiculous “hockey” BS, I do not know the point of your post. Take a pill and relax.

      • Jun 10, 2018 at 8:47 am

        Spot on Richter, from a baby boomer, who at 9 years old asked my parents for an allowance and was answered with “your mom and I are ALLOWING you to live here, ALLOWING you to eat here, ALLOWING you to sleep here, so you are getting an ALLOWANCE, if it’s money you want, you should be looking for a job and earn it”!!

        • Jun 10, 2018 at 9:23 am

          Spot on Jerry….have you taken a look around your local grocery store or gas station? Do you see any privileged children back there? Is it a kid serving you your food at mcdonalds? That’s right it is a grown ass man or woman who is trying to feed a family of 5 on minimum wage. Open your eyes to the world you have created and take just a little blame for the people you have misplaced. It is not some kid who is bagging your groceries is it. I wonder why that is? I know that kid is spoiled and wouldn’t work that job if he could. He is too busy playing video games.

          • Jun 10, 2018 at 1:41 pm

            Dude, your just a sick puppy, please grow up, and move out of daddy’s basement!!! No one gave me the time of day, and my three kids earned everything they got from also working, like their parents!!!!

            • Jun 10, 2018 at 4:52 pm

              you know walt honestly I respect you cause you are a marine and a old school one at that. But everytime you type something it just chops away a little more of that respect.

              Walt …Be happy …don’t worry. Spitting venom is what a snake does when it is scared and I get it …I scare you cause I represent the world that you just can’t understand.

              But I am no threat. I am just trying to show you there is more then meets your eye. There is levels upon levels of varying view points outside of yours. Mine just happens to be one that isn’t like the rest of the echo chamber you so feverishly protect in here. All Hail King Henrik!!!

        • Jun 10, 2018 at 9:46 am

          Allowance? What’s that? lol

          I could not play with my friends in the neighborhood until all my chores were done on Saturday morning. My father did not ask or have to tell me, it was assumed and done.

      • Jun 10, 2018 at 9:11 am

        Really? Because I am a baby boomer and no one gave me anything to get to where I am now. I have no idea who you are referring to that “feeds” us baby boomers, because my parents were blue collar.

        Reference the original post to where I noted reading comprehension. When I said feeds I meant the news/media.

        And please lets get rid of this misnomer about blue collar, just cause they worked menial jobs doesn’t exactly mean they were blue collar. Did they graduate from college? Did they get a masters at some point in their lives? The average difference in salary when a boomer grew up was like 30% between a true blue collar and the 1%. What do you think that difference is today? You think it even remotely resembles that? This country was awesome for a reason…you could make it doing anything. My mother was a foreigner and was 23 or 25 making enough money a week to pay for her rent for the month and still have money left over for groceries with 1 week’s check. A got damn foreigner ….with broken english. Show me a immigrant now who can say that? Please.

        It is not about whether someone’s off the cuff opinion is right or wrong …it is the ability to have a discussion with that person without trying to belittle them for having an opposing view from yours.

        Facts are facts and the 2nd to worst team since the trade deadline means hank is not going to save us from the bottom. Did you really forget what happened last season? And to say hank is the only reason this franchise has had success is the same logic that led to Washington’s countless efforts to get to the cup with ovi. There 24 other players on the team and whether it is a 3rd liner or the 7th defensmen they are all just as important to the success of that team. To think 1 guy on an island all by himself is the reason for success is the exact line of thinking that rationalizes a CEO getting 500% more salary then his workers. The ones that actually make the product.

        But I get it…this is Hank we are talking about and he puts people in the seats so lets sell him. But if Vegas proved anything to anyone …its that 90% of the franchises undervalue some of their players and overvalue others. I have to play the guy making 10 times what that rookie is making cause the rookie just doesn’t have the salary to justify his playing time. If a guy like buch plays well but gets sat for a guy like glass do you guys not lose your minds? Part of the reason he sits is cause he is so cheap whether we want to admit it or not. Georgiev was a perfect example of that last season. He outplayed hank but even AV admitted publicly Hank is hank I have to play him.

        Elite forwards …Gaborik…Nash…St. Louis…All of them elite til they got here.
        Defenders….McDonagh. Mack is consistently one of the best defenders in the league hands down. I make this point with the knowledge that every time the hockey world makes a team usa guess who is slotted as a 1st D pair? Certainly isn’t Tony DeAngelo.

        I get it….you see them all the time so therefore the Rangers defense isn’t that good but honestly if you watch any other player as intensely as you do with your own home team I am sure you will see their flaws just as easily. The grass is always greener on the otherside of the fence. You have just been spoiled with such long stretches of successful d men that you need to have your eyes corrected. And trust me that is coming soon.

        please don’t take my comments to people who without justification call me stupid or belittle me just cause they are angry with their own personal lives. This doesn’t mean I can’t have a conversation with someone who is willing. I am more willing to have and listen to others views then most and try to albeit long winded have a concise rebuttal. Am I a statistician? No …but I don’t think I have ever presented myself that way and if I have then that sir is on the reader. I consistently suggest I am too lazy to get into the math like I use too. It just doesn’t entertain me anymore.

        But this doesn’t make my opinion any less valid then the next guy’s/girls.

        • Jun 10, 2018 at 9:45 am

          No my parents did not graduate college. My dad traveled from eastern Long Island to Stamford, CT every day in a Chevy Chevette to put food on the table for us, and so my mom could stay at home to take of her 3 sons. I am very proud of my dad and his inspiration drove me to where I am today.

          Let’s get this straight, I really do not approve of anyone attacking another poster personally. I try very hard (sometimes) not to do it, and I hope that that goal has been accomplished for the most part. So I do not advocate for people calling you names.

          The next thing is, I, personally, have never said that anyone’s opinion does not mean anything. But I do say that posters say things that have zero evidence to back it up. Is that a total disregard for a poster’s opinion? Or is it a response to a poster’s opinion that that poster does not like? I have been called out on my posts and opinions, and upon further review, have even acknowledged that I was wrong. So what? Doesn’t make me a bad person.

          Simple investigative work educates us. The internet makes it much easier than in the past. So when you say that Henrik is not above criticism, I get it, but based on what the man has done for this franchise, which is probably 2nd only to Messier’s contribution to this franchise, then yes, I take offense, because it’s the “what have you done for me today” BS.

          You started this narrative and basically offensive rant, not only to me, but I bet a lot of posters here. But I respect your opinion and the right to express it, no matter how misguided it is. But to not expect a response like I gave you? Come on, lol.

        • Jun 10, 2018 at 11:52 am

          “But this doesn’t make my opinion any less valid then the next guy’s/girls.”

          I am offended by this. I am not offended if you claim to be better informed or smarter or have a better perspective – or if you think I am out to lunch. But the notion that our reasoning processes are EQUAL by definition and our opinions equally valid is absurd and offensive.

          I actually agree with you here, but I have long discussed this with Richter. IMO, he just doesn’t get it. In his opinion, I just don’t get it. That is how it should be. Hopefully, we both listen to what the other says in the process (if only to find the weaknesses in the argument) and the true misguided person sees the light. But it is critical to realize that we think differently and there is no earthly reason why different reasoning processes should be equal.

          An adage of mine BTW is that in a frank discussion between two people, the more intelligent person learns more.

          • Jun 10, 2018 at 12:15 pm

            I hear all the Hank bashing and admittedly it does ruffle my feathers. Not because I cannot face reality, but because that it appears like fans take the simple “the goalie should stop every shot regardless of the circumstances” agenda.

            Then add to that, the annual cry that the back up is a better goalie than our franchise player. Calling for goalies, who at the time did not have enough NHL starts to even make up one full NHL season, as the “answer” to the Rangers’ prayers is more than a “knee jerk” reaction for me.

            Maybe Hank isn’t as good as he was, but we do not know that because the Rangers were in shambles this past year, so how do you properly evaluate his play?

            First Talbot, then Raanta, now Georgiev. All 3 are better than Henrik Lundqvist, the best goalie of his era. Right, and I am supposed to just agree with that type of thinking?

            Talbot win a Cup in Edmonton, on a team that has a much better talent pool than the Rangers?

            You and others put zero credence into the fact that the # of games matter and that back up goalies are not long term starting goalies for a reason. Look no further than Scott Darling, who I’m sure was the flavor of the day in Chicago to replace Crawford, and who fell flat on his face as the full-time starter.

            But you are also convinced that 47 games in AZ is enough of a sample size to determine that Henrik should have been let go so Raanta could be our full-time goalie, when up until last year, he did not have 100 starts in the NHL.

            Ok, I’m done ranting, lol.

            • Jun 10, 2018 at 1:43 pm

              First of all, I won’t change the past. I did not criticize Sather for giving Hank that contract. It seemed perfectly reasonable at the time. Had I been the Ranger coach last year, I would have started Lundqvist in Game 6 against Ottawa. [I felt that Raanta would actually have a better shot in that one game, but if the Ranger skaters could somehow carry Hank to the win, he would straighten up in Game 7 and was more likely to succeed in the following rounds.] In hindsight, I believe I was wrong, given what Raanta did this year. But I hardly fault AV for that decision.

              More numbers: In the first eight years of his career, Hank posted a GSAA of +159, basically saving 20 goals a year. That is better than any eight year stretch of Brodeur’s career for example, though it does pale in comparison to Dryden or Smith. However, over the last five years, he is +31, which is incidentally 15th in the NHL over that time period.

              To be perfectly frank, those are the numbers of a guy who deserves to keep his job, but clearly ranks in the bottom half of those tenders who deserve to be here. There is no question that his success level has declined. It is also true that the performance of Talbot, Raanta, Georgiev conclusively shows that it was very possible for a tender to excel under AV.

              What the Devils had after 2008 was a netminder who was destined for the Hall of Fame, but not a netminder who was capable of playing like a HOF netminder (except on occasion). The evidence is that the Rangers have been in that same boat for five years.

              Wishful thinking: Quinn will design a system which is better at taking advantage of Hank’s strengths and the numbers will go back up. Could happen. I think it unlikely, but more likely than Vegas getting to the SCF.

              Odd fact: Cumulative GSAA for Lundqvist over 13 years < GSAA for Van Biesbrouck 1984-97 (he fell apart after that)

      • Jun 10, 2018 at 11:26 am

        You really make too much of elite players. If your first line is better than mine, but my second, third, and fourth are better than yours, I will likely get the better of you. The best Ranger teams in recent history had third and fourth lines that really mattered. If your third line is Brassard-Zuccarello-Pouliot, you can beat an Ovechkin, Crosby, or McDavid.

        Not having elites is a disadvantage, but not a death blow. The actual reason all Cup winners seem to have elites is that elites are in part determined by success. Give the Rangers two Cups and the Kings none and Nash is elite and Kopitar isn’t.

        In the 1980s, Bill James created a point system to determine who would make the Hall of Fame. It was designed to nearly perfectly predict past decisions. Players got points for WS wins and postseason appearances. It wasn’t just how well they hit or pitched. And that is baseball where individual contribution is easier to assess.

        • Jun 10, 2018 at 11:54 am

          Raymond, look at the past Cup winners of recent memory and you see elite players on those teams. Not having them makes the margin for error very slim, which is why the Rangers do not have a Cup, because of bad roster management.

          Not signing Stralman but signing G and Staal.
          Trading for Yandle, which was fine but then not using him on the PP.
          Trading for Eric Staal but not using him correctly.
          Not having a first round pick for 3 years.

          Just some of the “blunders” that if handled better would have (probably) produced better results. They came close, but the lack of that “elite” forward or D man could have made the difference.

          And it has zero to do with our goalie, so don’t go there, lol.

          • Jun 10, 2018 at 12:11 pm

            Those are clear cut reasons the rangers are not successful anymore but elites are media hype. Ovi stat wise is just not that important to winning the cup. His leadership and willingness to compete and be the best player he can be for his team is the exact reason why this season ended in a cup and so many others flopped for him.

            I mean look at Kucherov…Stamkos…these are house hold names across the league yet where did they end up? Ryan Callahan and Giardi cost them that series cause of those last two blunders of a game for each of them. Once you get behind early it is really hard to score against the trap. Someone really has to make a huge error for it to be there and on top of that you have to capitalize on those few chances at the same time. That is all that separates the winners and losers at this point in the season. Minimizing errors is all there is too it.

            Is there anything elite about Dustin Brown or Chris Kunitz or Claude Lemieux or Jarri Kurri…..but one thing they have that we don’t is stanley cup victories. And for most of them it is more then 2.

            • Jun 10, 2018 at 12:21 pm

              I totally agree that you the depth players to help you win a Cup. No doubt about it.

              But Dustin Brown had Kopitar and Jeff Carter.
              Kunitz had Crosby, Malkin, and Kessel.
              C. Lemiuex had all those great players on the Avs.
              And Jarri Kurri was elite.

              Those players you mentioned were great depth players, other than Kurri, but not the main reasons why their teams won Cups.

              • Jun 10, 2018 at 1:21 pm

                I feel if you take away these players the team in question doesn’t win that year. If Tom Wilson isn’t clearing the ice for Ovi…does ovi play as good as he did this playoffs? Or does this season end in the same fashion every other playoff has for the capitals? And you can apply that to almost every player I mentioned.

              • Jun 10, 2018 at 1:28 pm

                It’s definitely a team effort, but if Wilson is not on the Caps then they still win the Cup.

                Their stars came up big, which is what didn’t happen when the Rangers were contending. Hank and Brassard were by far and away their best playoff performers during their “run.”

          • Jun 10, 2018 at 1:08 pm

            Part of my point though was that the definition of elite is squishy. Obviously Crosby is elite and Jesper Fast is not. But there are some very good players that we can argue about. What I contend is that the Kings did not win the Cup because Kopitar is elite and Nash is not. I contend that Kopitar is elite and Nash is not because Kopitar has his name on the Cup.

            And you may argue with my specific example, but it is an absolute fact that such examples do exist.

        • Jun 10, 2018 at 11:54 am

          Totally concur. That is exactly what Vegas proved. Depth and willingness to play for each other in this game is the exact recipe for success not Elite Talent. Ovi didn’t win the cup by himself …24 other players played a very large part in that.

          • Jun 10, 2018 at 12:04 pm

            Vegas is the exception.

            Whether you like him or not, Fleury was a past Cup winner, not the “normal” expansion draft pick.

            Neal, Karlsson, and Marchessalt, all would have been the best offensive players on the Rangers if they were here this season, individually. Karlsson had 43 goals, that’s elite, even if he does it for one season.

            Vegas was not the 2011-12 Rangers, bereft of high end talent but still almost went to the SCF.

            Feel free to disagree.

            • Jun 10, 2018 at 12:20 pm

              That is my point overall Richter….it is no longer the days were one player like a lindros or gretzky can exist. Players of today compared with the old days are just 2 completely different animals. You put chris krieder on a 1980’s/90’s team and he is at least a pavel bure. Today he is just another guy that is just a little bit better then the next one. The difference in talent is so minute that a guy as physically superior as CK is …is just barely able to succeed. I mean I saw a interview on the rangers site of Grabner and I just went damn that guy is jacked. Yet he is barely a 3rd liner in this league today.

              • Jun 10, 2018 at 12:23 pm

                Other than the very top level of players, there really is not that much difference in teams’ talent pools. A hard salary cap will make that happen.

                We agree on that.

    • Jun 10, 2018 at 10:39 am

      You think I’m a baby boomer? Lol.

      Perhaps you misunderstood what I said. When I said you can’t tank with Hank, I didn’t mean in terms of roster construction. I mean he is simply going to give you 12-15 extra points in the standings, which is enough to keep you out of bottom feeder territory.

      But perhaps you did understand what I said. In that case, no one is forcing you to read this blog. Go somewhere else.

      • Jun 10, 2018 at 11:07 am

        Arizona finished bottom three and had a goal tender more effective than the Rangers have had in ten of the last thirteen years.

        The Rangers won’t finish bottom three because they do have some good players and will try to make the playoffs.

      • Jun 10, 2018 at 11:50 am

        I know you are no baby boomer. You are playing to your fan base and I find absolutely no fault in that. Other than these boomers have no idea you are feeding them exactly what they want to hear.

        I strongly disagree with that point that hank is worth 12 to 15 points in the standings at this point in his career. It was proven last year. Under that premise…that 6 to 8 wins more if you had another goaltender in net. Yet the exact opposite happened. Georgiev was the better tender and had to sit for hank and they went back to losing as soon as that happened. Now if we are talking about 5 years ago I would totally back that statement.

  • Jun 10, 2018 at 10:25 am

    Lets all professional. Like anywhere else, we all have perspectives influenced by our age, backgrounds, etc. That’s the spice of life and of blogs and sites. This string is a reflection of USA today: agree with me or you suck. Well, no. Me…I’m an old school rock em sock em enforce your will upon them fan. With that said tho, of course the stats and speed guys are on to something….I just dont prefer it and am not swayed by it. Doesnt mean they have no legitimacy in their point or as contributors. C’mon now. Keep it clean.

  • Jun 10, 2018 at 10:59 am

    I keep saying this is a retooling, not a rebuilding. How can you have Hank as your starting goalie while you have a 3-5 year rebuilding period? Impossible. Now I hope the NYR would use their “assets” to trade up to get a “can’t miss” prospect or make trades to get some ELITE talents.

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