Trading Chris Kreider is a fool’s errand

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The Rangers are done for the year. The remaining games are meaningless, serving only to #fuelthetank and get a look at some of the kids who may be on the bubble for next season. All attention is going to be on the April through June months, as the Rangers are poised to make more moves to help rebuild the roster. The biggest move is going to be behind the bench, but that doesn’t mean the rest of the roster is safe.

One player that many people have focused on is Chris Kreider. He’s the second highest paid forward on the roster, with another two seasons remaining at $4.625 millions. His rare combination of speed and skill make him a match up nightmare, and he would likely fetch a haul at the draft. The argument to trade him makes sense.

However as mentioned above, Kreider is a matchup nightmare. Now that he is finally being used regularly in front on the powerplay, he’s starting to contribute even more with the man advantage. He’s a guy that can beat you down the wing, or with his strength in front. There aren’t many in the league that can keep up with him or out muscle him, let alone both.

Kreider’s stats are down this year, but let’s be real for a second. Everyone’s stats are down this year. Kreider has the ability to take over a game, as we saw against Pittsburgh last week. We’ve seen more consistent dominating performances. Perhaps that is what happens when you’re being given a de facto leadership role?

From a possession standpoint, Kreider is one of just two current Rangers who have played the full season who has a CF% over 50%. Zibanejad is the other skater. CF% certainly isn’t the best indicator of success, especially when you look at the tire fire the Blueshirts have been all year. That said, when he’s one of just two guys over the 50% mark, it might mean a little more. He’s also one of four guys –again, not including the trade deadline acquisitions– over 50% xGF% (Zibanejad, Buchnevich, Zuccarello), which has a bit more clout to it, since it includes quality of shots as well.

The rebuild is going to require some level of leadership role. Instead of going with the canned “leader” that has intangibles but nothing else, why not try to mold Kreider into a leader? He’s familiar with the guys on the team. He seems to be respected, at just 26 years old. He’s on the top line. He’s not exactly overpaid. He’s pretty good at this hockey thing. Leadership can be taught to the mature player.

Any potential Kreider trade stems on the value he can retrieve. If there’s a knock your sock off offer, then by all means trade him. But if there’s anything remotely close to the deals we saw at the deadline, then I lean towards keeping him. Can’t trade everyone, after all.

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60 thoughts on “Trading Chris Kreider is a fool’s errand

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 6:08 am

    Dave….you “lean towards keeping him”? My god…he is big, fast, hard on the puck, steady on the boards, has reach and is tough. While he plays in AV’s schizophrenic line system …when he is given to his strength like in the PP and planted in front of the net he is terrific. NO way you trade this guy and unless its someone giving like 2 one’s, a second AND top prospect he is core to the future.
    Sorry….I love the guy.

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 7:22 am


      Right on brother!

      He is the only player who plays with some intensity, and is strong on his feet. AV’s improper use of the guy, so what else is new, is borderline criminal. The guy should be with a set line, play the top minutes, and 1st PP. Instead he is shuffled around, like so many on this team, except Staal, and is jerked around as well. Sorry, trade is never an option while this man is in his prime!!!!!!!!

      • Mar 19, 2018 at 11:01 am

        You can’t teach size and speed ! Staal shouldn’t be on the ice, he’s gonna hurt himself bad one day!

        • Mar 19, 2018 at 2:32 pm

          That’s maybe 25% true.

          You can’t teach size. You can teach speed. You can teach strength, which is infinitely more important than size.

          • Mar 19, 2018 at 4:18 pm

            I’d say more like 75% … If u could teach speed lots of guys would chase him and grabs down but that doesn’t happen very often. Also if “You could teach speed” why was Stepan so damn slow ??

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 2:31 pm

      I say :”lean towards” because there is always a deal to be made. If it’s a generational talent that some team stupidly gives up, then yes you make the deal.

      • Mar 19, 2018 at 4:34 pm

        If Gretzky and Messier can be traded, then no one is untouchable. Yes, if Chiarelli calls up and offers McDavid or Draisaitl, or if TOR offers Matthews or Nylander, sure you’d make the trade. We all know As bad as Chiarelli is, no one would even let him do that. The reality is, Kreider isn’t going anywhere. While some team may offer FUTURE pieces (picks and unproven prospects) that add up to more overall value, those pieces may or may not pan out. We already know what Kreider is and what he’s capable of if he stays healthy for a full season, especially with Zibanejad and Shattenkirk healthy as well. He can turn momentum and take a game over. He’s a game-changer.

        I think if Zucc is moved at the draft (only for significant overpayment or a combo of proven middle-6 player + moving up into the top-4), Kreider is my top choice for the next NYR captain.

        Name me another 6’3” 220 forward who skates the way Kreider does and can beat you with speed, strength, or shot (and as we’ve seen lately, he can be a playmaker when he’s dialed in and healthy as well). After the weight he lost from the blood clot & surgery to remove a rib, he said he’s now reconsidering what weight he needs to play it. That could make him even faster and harder to contain!

    • Mar 20, 2018 at 2:57 am

      I agree with Joe. I say keep him. Few players (if any) have his combo of size and speed. He’s still on the good side of 30 and definitely has a place on this team. It makes no sense to trade Kreider simply for the sake of trading him.
      In that long, hard series with the Caps, Kreider IMO is the reason we won. We were down 3-1 in that series and Ovechkin and the Caps were beating up on our defense. Kreider came back from Injury in game 4 of that series. We lost that game but Kreider took over (Physically) that series from games 5-7. Kreider went blow for blow with Ovechkin and won in that series. I’ll never forget that. Unless it’s Karlsson coming to NY, I say keep him.

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 6:16 am

    His skating and net front play make him a guy who won’t be the first to drop off the aging curve for production; he’s a keeper like Nash at a much cheaper number.

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 4:36 pm

      Agreed and while they’re very different players in terms of attributes, I totally agree that they’re both the kind of players who age well in today’s league. I hope we’re able to re-sign Nash for 2-3 years at 3.5-4M per season. He’s another ideal veteran for a rebuilding team, especially if we can’t afford to re-sign Grabner who could get a massive payday on the open market.

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 6:27 am

    Kreider is a enigma, with the physical tools he has he should be on the cusp of being an elite NHL power forward. Unfortunately for him, his coach ( AV) punishes his players for playing aggressive tough hockey. Thus he is a good NHL player, someone you want on your team. I always said with the right coach ( Mike Keenan, Marc Crawford type) He could be the second coming of Cam Neely, Rick Tocchet, Gary Roberts, players who could score 30 to 40 goals, have 200 penalty minutes, and make the opposition feel very uncomfortable every shift you were on the ice. The potential is still there, the clock is ticking, there is still time. Fire AV.

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 6:45 am

      Agree….what would Daryl Sutter do with this guy….

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 6:55 am

      ABSOLUTELY on point!!!

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 9:29 am

      Is everything the coaches fault? He had a coach in Torts who believed in old school tough hockey and he didn’t score 30-40 goals. Sometimes you need to look at the player. Maybe at 26 he will come into his own and it wont be due to a new coach. It will be due to him figuring it out. Players need to be held accountable also.

      • Mar 19, 2018 at 10:58 am

        A coach’s number one job is to utilize his players correctly. While it may not be all AV’s fault of course, it is unforgivable that he consistently fails to arrange his players to where the strengths they inherently have on display for all to see can shine through. It’s not a coincidence at this point that across three coaching stops, most young players under AV have failed to hit the ceilings that scouts projected for them. You also don’t need to be a pro scout to understand what raw player tools could or should translate into on the score sheet. Most of the young players that have risen to true prominence under AV have been on the cusp of finalizing their development already when he came in.

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 10:22 am

      Stop blaming the coach when the player disappears for 8 game stretches every 40 games. He needs to learn how to play with intensity 110% of the time. I still wouldn’t move him UNLESS it was our 2nd round pick and him for the first pick of the draft.

      • Mar 19, 2018 at 12:58 pm

        If the coach has no responsibility for motivating his players what is the coach’s responsibility. By no means is it not each player’s responsibility to play hard but to give the coach a pass in this area seems ridiculous.

        This Ranger team has had a problem starting games in slow motion. And when the season was on the line last year in game 6 vs. Ottawa they came out completely flat. But don’t blame the coach?????

    • Mar 20, 2018 at 3:17 am

      Any coach we get here in NY will be ok for 2-3 years. That seems to be the honeymoon period for coaches in the NHL. After that he is the enemy. Unless of course he wins a cup in that time. There may not be a bevy of coaches available this summer. If that’s the case, I would rather keep AV than hire a bad coach just for the sake of firing AV. We don’t know what AV’s reasoning for what he does. Most things he doesn’t elaborate on. He doesn’t really seem like the kind of coach that sits a player for his own agenda. With a player like Kreider, that would be like cutting your nose to spite your face.

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 6:41 am

    if he get traded i throw my rangers hat and shirt out of my window and look for another team to follow. Its not all statistic and success and all those things americans are so obsessed with. There is also a thing like Charakter and Types. If the team which left is nothing like a talented bunch of faceless players as Toronto ….this sucky. people love types, player pith grit like Kreider. To Trade him would be desaströs

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 7:25 am

      Nothing like an international flavor to get our message across. Great post Jorg, agree 10000000% !!!!!!!

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 8:09 am

      As strongly as I’m against trading Kreider (he should wear the C IMO), I would never abandon the Rangers … never. If this is something you would be willing to do then you’re not a true “blue” fan.

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 10:14 am

      Funny, Toronto fans were tossing their jerseys and gear onto the ice during games in very recent years, and look at that organization now.

      if you bail on this club after being a power house club the past … like 10 years, jump out of that same window buddy. Good Bye.

      Not sure you get Leafs games where your from, the place is full of character… and its all maple leaf blue.

      we need to rebuild… if CK20 brings in the returns mentioned on this blog, you get the return…

      I love him, but who cant love #1’s and #2’s looking at a few seasons of rebuilding…

      • Mar 20, 2018 at 3:26 am

        I agree bud. Let’s just hope this was just a one season pit stop and we can at least get back into the playoffs next season.
        This is going to be a very young team next season. I think Gorton is going to have a good chunk of money to play with in free agency and at the draft. Let’s hope he knows what he’s doing. Gorton is a Cap man. He’s a numbers guy. Hopefully he makes the right moves in terms of player evaluation. If he does plan to make more trades during the draft. IMO, that is Sathers strong suit. He’s the guy that traded Gretzky. That’s an impossible situation.

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 8:06 am

    I agree that Kreider is someone you keep and build a team with. His speed and size are hard to come by and he will go to and crowd the net. If he had better hands he’d be a 40 – 50 goal guy. With the right linemates he will still be a 30 goal guy I am sure. Keep him.

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 8:06 am

    Trade him. He’s broken goods.

    Ever since the media storm against him for crashing creases and goalies getting hurt, he has lost the snarl that would make him a first liner.

    He’s now a 2nd liner with his current play.

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 8:20 am

      I agree with your observation that he has lost some “snarl” after the Montreal Price incident.

      However, I disagree he is damaged goods. He can be the ultimate power forward under a head coach that doesn’t mind a rougher brand of Hockey. A head coach who will accept the occasional penalty for a physical infraction.

      My complaint about Kreider is he is consistently inconsistent.

      I would love to see his play under a different head coach.

      • Mar 19, 2018 at 11:32 am

        But could he help net you a generational talent?

        I think to get the top pick. He would need to be included.

        If your going full rebuild. You need that talent to build around.

        • Mar 19, 2018 at 12:32 pm


          No argument there, if the right offer way made, only an idiot wouldn’t listen.

        • Mar 20, 2018 at 3:35 am

          That’s my stance here too Mike. I’m not going to trade a 6’ 4” 225lb forward that skates like the wind, just for the sake of trading him.
          However, if he is part of a deal that nets us the #1 overall pick and the Rangers feel the player they can select helps them get better, that’s a good hockey Trade imo.

      • Mar 20, 2018 at 3:32 am

        I always thought that Kreider would be a perennial 30 goal guy with a few quick, puck moving defenseman. Get a few guys that can get possession of the puck in the Dzone and transition to offense. Kreider being a winger is often high in the Dzone. He would score 15+ goals on the rush each season. Hopefully some of these young players we acquired in trades turn out to be NHL ready. Even as soon as next season.


  • Mar 19, 2018 at 8:47 am

    he is playing well and he can crash the net and you need that

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 9:18 am

    Trading Kreider is crazy talk. But I guess because he isn’t a blue smurf, he doesn’t fit in. Also Gorton and Av don’t care much for players who play with intensity. They like perimeter players.

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 11:08 am

      It has nothing to do with size and everything to do with age.

      Personally, I would hold on to Kreider, but he will be 27 next season. There are some fans that think the Rangers are about to embark on a 5 year rebuild. If you think that’s the case, of course you would be all for trading Krieder as he’d be well past his prime towards the end of that 5 year window.

      • Mar 19, 2018 at 11:37 am

        I disagree Chris size does matter in hockey. The Rangers biggest weakness is their play along the boards. The biggest reason why they continue to get out shot is their inability to win battles along the boards in their own end and win possession.

        On offense it’s the same problem. They can not keep possession in the oppositions end as they are typically one and done and the puck is turned over. The Rangers could use a couple more Kreider type players in their lineup as well as a shutdown defenseman who wins puck battles and will make the other teams forwards pay when they enter dirty areas of the ice.

        • Mar 19, 2018 at 11:51 am

          You have diagnosed the biggest problem with this team. Trading Kreider would only worsen things.

        • Mar 19, 2018 at 12:13 pm

          Dude, count to ten, take a deep breath, and read my comment again.

          I was trying to say that if anyone wants to trade away Kreider it’s because Krieder is 26 and about to begin the decline phase of his NHL career. Not, as you brilliantly said, because AV and Gorton want the Smurfs to return to NY.

          I said nothing about boardwork, physical play, battles, possession. If you think the Rangers are on a 5 year rebuild, of course you trade away a 26 year old top end forward this summer. If you think this rebuild is going to be of the shorter variety, then you hold on to Kreider.

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 9:19 am

    I would move him if the right deal came along. Great speed and strength. No hands at all. I don’t think we will ever see much more from him than what we see now. I would not just give him away he has real value but no chance of being elite not untouchable. Does not always play with intensity

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 9:55 am

    He’s got all the tools he needs to be very successful. Consistency has been his biggest problem throughout his career. When he’s on, he’s a real force. When he’s not on he’s holding himself back. And I think this can be solved with a new coach and a different type of Captain. He could wear an A but I don’t see him wearing a C. It’s hard to judge at this point until we understand how the coaching will change. But He’s probably ready for a bigger leadership role on this team. Also with the Russian connection we seem to be developing(Buch, Shes,Rykov, Name) and the fact that he is fluent in Russian, he will be a good leader to bridge the Russians with everyone else. Sounds small but it can be very helpful to get these kids over here and make them feel comfortable. I would not even be shopping him at this point. Unless you can ship him and a 1st for Dahlin. I doubt that very much. But that is one circumstance I would say yes.(there’s probably others if they are one sided enough) Beyond that I give this kid another year to see what he can do. There will be a big haul for him next year if he does not meet expectations

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 10:09 am

    The Team was 7 – 25 while he was out

    Possibly the next “C”

    CK20 is not going anywhere this off season

    Although, Let’s keep hope alive that we see the end of the most annoying Volvo commercials ever!

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 10:32 am

    Andy Please share with all of us what you are smoking . Kreider and a #1 for Dahlin Really . Kid could turn out to be another Alex Daigle or Patrick Stefen, or Brian Lawton . Keep smoking that stuff pleasant dreams

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 11:35 am

      Ranger..please read the entire quote…”Unless you can ship him and a 1st for Dahlin. I doubt that very much.” I guess you missed the “I doubt that very much” but you would not make that trade? Dahlin could and most likely will be the next Erik Karlsson or Victor Hedman…and you think he’s the second coming of Alex Daigle? m’kay…I would not trade Kreider unless the deal was very one sided favoring us..sorry you did not pick up on that from my post…

      • Mar 19, 2018 at 2:08 pm

        I also said a #1 can be a big dud ,not that Dahlin will be or turn into Alex Daigle . Nothing is cast in stone because you go #1 in the draft . Look at where we got Henrik ,equals not bad drafting . LGR

        • Mar 19, 2018 at 2:36 pm

          By all accounts, Dahlin is better than Hedman.

        • Mar 19, 2018 at 2:50 pm

          i would trade our first and Kreider straight up for Dahlin. Dahlin is not going to be a bust. Not all #1’s work out. But I will take my chances on Dahlin, because I believe he will be an Elite talent in the NHL for years to come.

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    I saw a clip of a goal that Connor McDavid scored the other night that looked as though the kid had threaded a needle with a laser beam. There’s a reason that at only 20 he has 34 goals so far this season. However, due to some inept moves by their management, the Oilers ain’t so hot even though they have in McDavid and Leon Draisaitl two players with other wordly skills.

    The right way to rebuild this Rangers team will be to add the best players that they can obtain in the draft or maybe thru some trades to the likes of Kreider, Hayes, Buchnevich, Zibanejad, Skjei and Shatty (Yeah, Shatty. He’s cheap, is your best power play quarterback, and with a better knee he should be better.)

    Chytil and Andersson should be ready soon to show what they can do in the big show. Some of the young defenders they have now might make the cut. While the Rangers are highly unlikely to get someone with McDavid’s skills in the draft, they should get some excellent players. I think that Kreider will be a natural leader for a young team, at least worthy of “A” if not a “C”.

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 1:37 pm

      I predict Kreider gets the C this summer.

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 2:24 pm

    I will never forget Kreider going to help one of his teammates in his first full season. He stopped turned to AV for a sign as to should he help his teammate or not. That should never happen. The players should know in all situations what to do without hesitation. He stopped because of AV way of playing hockey. AV doesn’t let players be themselves especially young players. Kreider shouldn’t be traded unless it’s a cant missed package. He’s what the core/team should be bigger,faster,skilled and hard to play against.

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 2:59 pm

      Thank you Harlem. Perfectly stated.

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 3:39 pm


      That’s the reason AV was enamored with Daisy, loves them soft!!!!!!!!!!
      Smith goes out, drops the gloves, and then is relegated to the pine, same when DML was here……….

      • Mar 19, 2018 at 4:06 pm

        Smith got relegated to the pine because he can to camp out of shape and was making all kinds of egregious mistakes. He played worse then Holden and Staal when in the expectation (based on how they played in last year) he should have been noticeably better then them.

        Stepan was certainly not hard nosed but soft is a bit of an exaggeration. Ii liked DML and what he brought to the table and think he deserved more of a chance but the fact that he hasn’t been able to stick with an NHL team probably means his intangibles don’t offset his weaknesses

        • Mar 19, 2018 at 4:58 pm


          I’m talking about last season, not this.

      • Mar 19, 2018 at 6:55 pm

        Walt, once again your wisdom is spot on, AV likes finesse hockey, he will never change, he had the more talented team during Vancouver’s Cup run in 2011 vs The Bruins. Unfortunately for AV and Vancouver The Bruins turned the series into a battle royal. His turn the other cheek philosophy resulted in his star players getting totally abused. The Bruins in particularly Milan Lucic, & Zedeno Chara took turns blasting them into oblivion, with no fear of retaliation. He continued his soft approach while coaching with the Rangers. This guy needs to GO!!!!

        • Mar 19, 2018 at 7:43 pm

          Can’t argue one word you said!!!!!!!!

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    Anybody can be traded, IF the price is right. CK20 for the #1 pick (Dahlin)? I’m not so sure. Yes, the kid looks like the real thing, but so have a lot of other #1’s who couldn’t live up to their hype. In Kreider you know you have a monstrously strong, extremely fast, intelligent player with great character. I’d hate to see CK20 on another team, being fed the puck by a really good center, while we’re trying to develop Dahlin.

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    Whoever gets the #1 pick will not trade that pick for Kreider even up. Period.

    I am terrible at predicting trades, but have zero hesitation on the proposed Kreid’s for the #1 pick. Ain’t happenen’

    • Mar 19, 2018 at 8:36 pm

      I think the deal is CK20 and Rangers #1 pick, which will still be a good spot!

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 6:57 pm

    Never say never about trading him, but Kreider is a keeper. If traded, it would be for an elite player coming back in a package deal. But that’s slim to none.

    I love the guy but he needs to bring it like he is now, since coming back from a serious condition. He does that 75% of the games and he is a beast and an allstar, without question.

    IMO, the guy should be an “elite” player and possibly the next captain of the team.

  • Mar 19, 2018 at 8:43 pm

    Kreider needs to spend some time this off season with Jerome Iginla. Iggy may have been the last of a vanishing breed who brought every aspect of old time hockey, he had it in spades! A team captain, leader , scorer, who could skate, pass, hit and yes FIGHT!!. This future hall of fame player, who could score goals with the best of them, would not hesitate to drop the gloves if he felt any one of his teammates was being taken advantage of. If you put Ingina’s heart inside Kreiders body you would have the ultimate player, providing his coach let him play the game the way it was meant to be played!!!!!

  • Mar 20, 2018 at 9:59 am

    So wait…1 good period against the Pens and we are retiring his jersey now? Kreider is a mental basket case who over thinks himself to death….ZERO hockey IQ…stone hands….disappears in games for like 10 at a time……Trade him

  • Mar 20, 2018 at 3:13 pm


    I was at the Blues/Rangers game the other night and couldn’t figure out why we had our Blue home jerseys on and the Blues had their white away jerseys on? Was a good game, just hated to see Gilmour get schooled there at the end…

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