Is there something else brewing for the Rangers?

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Photo credit: Jerome Miron-USA TODAY Sports

The Rangers signed their last two remaining RFAs yesterday inking Chris Kreider and Kevin Hayes to contract extensions. Kreider received a long term deal (four years), while Hayes received the standard bridge deal, coming off his ELC. Both deals come with great cap hits for a team that is supposed to be cap strapped heading into the next few years. But here’s the thing: With this much cap space available, and everyone signed, why wouldn’t the Rangers look to at least lock up Miller to longer term? There are too many signs that something else is brewing.

1 – The Rangers have about $3 million in cap space –let’s call it that, as Brady Skjei and Pavel Buchnevich need to be added and Adam Clendening removed and assuming Tanner Glass is still here– which is very odd for this team. If no more moves are planned, I would have liked to see Hayes and J.T. Miller get longer term deals. I have no idea if they only wanted their short term deals though, with the chance to earn more. But this was a real opportunity to keep future costs down as well. Which brings me to point 2.

2 – According to our correspondents at Smashfest, Derick Brassard knew he was going to get traded since the draft. It’s basically known that the Sens kicked in the second round pick because the Rangers paid Brass’ bonus on July 15. The Rangers also bridged Miller way in advance of his arbitration hearing, but after knowing about the Brass trade. If there was nothing else on the docket, I trust –especially after this offseason so far– that Gorton would have at least locked up Miller to a longer term deal.

3 – Another sign that something is brewing: St. Louis GM Doug Armstrong was chatting about the core players for the Blues, and Kevin Shattenkirk’s name was completely left out (I don’t have the link to this, if someone could provide, it would be helpful). It’s no secret that the Rangers are looking to upgrade the blue line, even if they couldn’t keep Keith Yandle. Dan Girardi may not be going anywhere, but aside from him, not one name has been mentioned by anyone in the Rangers organization as expecting a bounce back year.

4 – Let’s remember that Kevin Klein is probably the best trade chip for the Rangers at this point. He has a team friendly deal. And at 31 (turning 32 in December), you have to wonder how long he can keep up his play. Remember that while he is lauded as being a great teammate, he wasn’t this productive in Nashville. Something seems to have worked out for Klein in New York, and he’s been a solid player. But even with his improved play, he’s on the wrong side of 30, and even his peripheral numbers aren’t all that great. An upgrade on the blue line doesn’t necessarily mean jettisoning Girardi or Staal. It could mean upgrading on Klein. Make no mistake, Shattenkirk > Klein.

5 – Staal’s name has been oddly absent from any media story this year. And that surprises me as well. It’s well known that Girardi is going to be with the team next year. But Staal has name brand value. There are still teams looking to make moves, and there are still teams that would value Staal. I wonder if the Rangers move both Staal and Klein before the season starts. That would be one heck of a shake up. That’s just me speculating though.

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43 thoughts on “Is there something else brewing for the Rangers?

  • Jul 23, 2016 at 10:33 am

    I just don’t see how you can trade for Shattenkirk and still have Girardi and Staals contract on this team. One of them (their salary) would have to be moved. Especially with the potentional 6 million dollar cap hit that a Shattenkirk extension will cost. And a buyout does more harm than good.

    • Jul 23, 2016 at 10:59 am

      The way they can afford Shattemkirk is they already have about 3 mill and then f they trade Klein that gives them 2.9 mill more so there’s your 6 mill to pay Shattemkirk. I’m not saying whether they should or shouldn’t do that. I’m just explaining a way it could happen.

      • Jul 23, 2016 at 12:50 pm

        It’s less about cap space and more about roster space. Adding Shattenkirk for the assumed price of Nash, would force the Rangers to play with 7 D every night and to carry 9 on the active roster.

        Swapping out Klein for Shattenkirk is a decent idea but it’s mostly a lateral move. You are swapping out one second pair D for another second pair D.

        • Jul 23, 2016 at 3:43 pm

          true, at a very inflated rate at that !!!!!!!!

          Shattenkirk really isn’t worth $6 mil per year, his defense isn’t that great …………..

        • Jul 23, 2016 at 3:43 pm

          Klein for Shattenkirk is not a lateral move.

          • Jul 23, 2016 at 9:56 pm

            In the most literal sense, you’re right, RFiB.

            Not that I’d ever speak for Chris, but I assume his premise is swapping Klein’s solid D and occasional snarl for Shattenkirk’s much needed PP/QB abilities and outlet passes is a wash.

            If Gorton should ask: hold onto Klein.

            He’s a throwback. Good teammate. Nonetheless KK needs to re-embrace his nastiness, if not the mohawk he sported while a Pred.

            Bobby B. gives a great mohawk.

        • Jul 23, 2016 at 5:11 pm

          I agree with what you’re saying Chris. I just was responding to what Spozo said as far as not being able to have the money for Shattenkirk. There’s several ways it could happen of course but I mentioned one. If they can’t move Staal or Girardi n they’re not gonna trade Mac so the only other D man that makes enough money is Klein. Again I’m. Of saying they should do any of this. I’m only talking about having the cap space if they did want to get him.

    • Jul 23, 2016 at 8:41 pm

      Rick Nash any other questions.

    • Jul 24, 2016 at 8:04 pm

      Here’s a link to that story about Blues GM Doug Armstrong not listing Shattenkirk as part of his core going forward. Shattenkirk not listed among Blues’ core players by GM

    • Jul 24, 2016 at 8:42 pm

      Shattenkirk told the Blues web site that his dream is and always was to play for his hometown team the Rangers at MSG.
      IMO the Rangers have to make this trade. They really need his skill set on the top pairing. Klein isn’t really that guy and those days have past Girardi by. Even if last season was a fluke and he has a good Girardi season, the best you can expect is a 48% possession defenseman with little offensive talent and a ton of wear and tear. He should not have been playing last season with that injury. It was either selfish on his part or foolish on AV’s part. They could have gotten close to his entire cap hit back by placing him on LTIR near the deadline and addressed the back end instead of going to get Eric Staal.

  • Jul 23, 2016 at 10:34 am

    I have always thought klien would be a good fit for Edmonton, a team in need of a solid but affordable veteran dmen…

  • Jul 23, 2016 at 11:26 am

    If the only team Shattenkirk wants to sign with is the Rangers, why not wait a year & then sign him as a UFA. Then we don’t have to give up assets.

    • Jul 23, 2016 at 1:47 pm

      Dr Paul with the voice of reason.

      I agree – especially if it is a Klein for Shatt swap. Give up a solid D-man on a good contract for a UFA you can sign next year.

      Let the Blues shop him – If they want to do a Staal + something for Shatty then lets’ talk. But since I’ve had my Eddie-piphany I don’t see much logic in including Nash in a Shatty deal either.

      • Jul 23, 2016 at 10:04 pm

        Swarty Hospodar: you did mean to close out your third sentence with a question mark?

        Otherwise you completely shoot your… I mean, the oomph.

        C’mon, Boxcar. I’d do Nash for Shattenkirk in a nanosecond.

        • Jul 24, 2016 at 11:51 am

          Yes sir – The question mark was indeed MIA – much like me over most of my years in witness protection.

          There was a time in my recent past that I wanted to trade them all and blow this up. But at this point we have to adjust to what Gort’s has methodically done.

          Love to have Shatty but I don’t see the wisdom of giving up a useable asset like Nash to get a guy you can sign in a year as a UFA. That said I’ve been pretty down on Nash but – if we were to trade him – let’s get a haul for him next March.

          Certainly the D still needs some help unless the twins have made a summer pilgrimage to Lourdes. I think there is a market for Staal 🙂 – not sure where but it must be out there somewhere….

          • Jul 25, 2016 at 9:50 am

            The Blues are in cap trouble. They have a touch over $2 mil in cap space. They can’t afford Rick Nash unless the Rangers pick up the difference between the 2 salaries.
            I would have to guess that Armstrong wants to shed salary, not add on. He has 8 defenseman signed for next season and he just gave Jaden Schwartz a long term contract. I would venture a guess that Armstrong wants assets for Shattenkirk. That may be the issue holding up a deal right now. The Rangers don’t have a ton of valuable prospects they can just trade away. Are we giving up more 1st round picks?

    • Jul 23, 2016 at 5:19 pm

      I e been saying that every time I see another trade rumor about getting Shattenkirk. Why give up anyone. Just wait a year. The only problem is he may say he only wants the Rangers but if a team says they’ll give him some crazy number n the Rangers only offer something that’s considered a low ball figure he could take the big offer n forget about playing with us. If he’s offered 2 mill a year more n a 7 year deal while the Rangers offer 4 years at 2 mill less that’s a hard deal to turn down no matter what team offers it. I would like to see him come here next year at a good price of course n in the meantime we move Girardi next year somehow

    • Jul 23, 2016 at 6:00 pm

      Great point. Why give up an asset for Shattenkirk if there is a pretty good chance he will be available for no assets other than cap space on July 1. Depending on how things acctually shake out, Klein could be traded at the deadline for draft assets. The Rangers feel like a 95-96 point team. They will be younger, faster but transitioning in a couple key guys (hopefully) in Skjei and Buch. I assume mgt realizes that they cant keep chasing but rather will reload for a more meaningful run in 2017-18. Remember the Caps are going to have some salary cap issues going into that season and the next – Burakovsy and Carlson…

    • Jul 23, 2016 at 6:05 pm

      I agree. They did the same thing with Richards.

    • Jul 25, 2016 at 9:31 am

      If the Rangers were in a better situation with their defense, that would be the smart thing to do Paul. However, to go into next season with the same defense would be a waste of a season. At least in my opinion.
      I really like what Gorton has done in free agency. He added depth, speed, and balance up front by trading for a righty pivot with Zibanajad. If Gorton can steal Shattenkirk out of STL, I think the Rangers can and will compete with the Pens & Caps in the division. I think the division has improved mightily and the Blueshirts are going to need a solid top pairing. McDonagh and Shattenkirk is just that.

      • Jul 25, 2016 at 4:12 pm

        We’re not going into this season with the same D. Boyle is gone so we improved by his departure.

        • Jul 25, 2016 at 5:06 pm

          That’s true, but Yandle is gone too, and we shouldn’t necessarily expect some combo of Skjei and Holden to make up for all that he did on the blue line offensively.

  • Jul 23, 2016 at 11:53 am

    If Klein and or Staal is being moved. The likely locations are Minnesota or Carolina. I’m banking on minne

    Minne has suter and dumba. I am sure a deal can be struck and Eric Staal is playing in minne.

    Carolina less likely as they are rebuilding. But Jordan Staal is down there and they have hainsey and Faulk.

    Not aware of a package but now we have some draft picks maybe a package can be put together.

    My preference in this order.


    If you could trade for one of these guys without selling the ranch. I would feel more comfortable about next season.

    • Jul 23, 2016 at 12:16 pm

      Ryan Suter? That’s all you want?

      Maybe we could package Klein and Glass for Connor Mcdavid while we are at it!

      • Jul 23, 2016 at 12:52 pm

        Minny would move Suter and that awful contract of his in a heartbeat.

        Of course, Klein or Staal isn’t getting a Suter deal done.

        • Jul 23, 2016 at 1:08 pm

          so then we should take on another awful contract?? we don’t have enough of those already! lol

      • Jul 23, 2016 at 10:09 pm

        Bulls**t, Spozo.

        You and I and Emile “Cat” Francis know that package needs to beefed out with three Number One Oiler draft choices, Grant Fuhr’s coke dealer and Shania Twain.

    • Jul 23, 2016 at 3:45 pm

      Dumba’s the guy you want, but Staal and/or Klein isn’t close to getting that deal done.

      Suter is way overpaid at this point. No thanks.

    • Jul 25, 2016 at 9:34 am

      The Rangers aren’t getting any of those guys. Maybe Hainsey. The Cains might pay Gorton to take him. Other than that those guys are out of reach without selling the farm. Can’t see how that would make us better. Just stick to Shattenkirk unless there’s another deal out there to be made for a righty D we don’t know about. I’ve heard talk Fowler may be available.

  • Jul 23, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    I wouldn’t give away any,ore first rounders for anyone. M
    Nor would I trade skjei or Mcilrath ..develop your players ..let someone else give up draft picks and youth for shatt

  • Jul 23, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    Be careful what you ask for – We have cost certainty now – and their names are Staal, Giriardi, Nash, & Hank.

    I like Gorts approach – to me it does not make sense to go out and sign all of the RFA’s to long-term deals just to get them in the fold. What if they go south next year? How is that cost certainty going to look then?

    I think Kreids was worth the term gamble but other than that I like it. Were up against the cap, there is Vegas looming, and a cap trend that’s rather flat. In my mind, Gorts is building in future flexibility until he gets the team shaped the way he likes and is ready to commit to it.

    I do agree that someone is eventually going to go for Staal (I’ve been shamed into spelling correctly as opposed to spelling according to his play). It may take getting into the season to see how his play is though. Hey- maybe he will respond. If not, he is worth more at the trade deadline than he is now.

    • Jul 23, 2016 at 10:22 pm

      Where’s the shame in a competent, if necessary copy edit, Boxcar?

      You just gotta stay way from the whippets, man.

  • Jul 23, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    Hank is an albatross..way over paid and term

    • Jul 23, 2016 at 3:47 pm

      He’ll be overpaid when he starts to suck. As it is, he’s still elite, and the backbone of the franchise.

      • Jul 23, 2016 at 10:15 pm

        Dude; why even bother responding?

        That post is so criminally ignorant it should be crisscrossed with yellow Crime Scene tape.

        • Jul 24, 2016 at 9:05 am

          I think we should trade Hank and give Eddie Giacomin a call. Then we get Brad Park n maybe RonnGreschner. We can let Girardi give Beck his number 5 back. Call up Nicki n tell him we need an enforcer on the team. Then maybe we’ll see if Pierre LaRouche has another 48 goal season in him. Then since we’ll need speed we get a hold of Mike Gartner. Of course well already have Messier n Graves ready to go.I just hope they give Espo a chance. This sounds easy enough to do right? You see I’m smoking the same stuff that last cat that said Hank is an albatross

  • Jul 23, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    Hayes and Staal to Buffalo for Evander Kane or Marcus Folino.

  • Jul 24, 2016 at 6:25 am

    #1 Vesey
    #2 Shatty

    IMO, Rangers cleared cap space to be able to offer Vesey the max bonus, which rumors say that Vesey is looking for. Rangers can probably now offer $2M+ in salary and bonuses, which could be the difference in deciding where Vesey goes, not to mention the spot to play on the 3rd line with Hayes and Buch.

    Rangers are all in on Shatty. Shatty even said that there’s only one team he will sign an extension with and we (and the league) all know who it is. So the Rangers will either have to wait until the trade deadline, along with the other 28 teams to trade for a rental, or just wait to sign him as a FA.

    BTW, you know how you know that Gorton is now in charge? Larry Brooks had no clue about the Brass deal that took a month to come to fruition. Brooks got his info from Sather and for Brooks not to have a clue about the Brass deal (he certainly would have written about the possibility of a trade) points to having a new sheriff in town. Great for us and the Rangers.

  • Jul 24, 2016 at 9:13 am

    Yeah Ritcher I was thinking the same thing. How did Larry Brooks have no clue about such a big trade like that. He broke out with his big story of “anyone is tradable” a long time ago but all that did was say anything can happen. Wow that’s really going out on limb. Anyway it’s a good feeling Tom see Gorton is in charge now n based on the small sample we’ve seen so far it looks like we’ve got a brighter future ahead us.

    • Jul 24, 2016 at 1:29 pm

      Right on 11, It’s Gorton’s team no doubt. Thank God. The guy knows talent and know’s how to put together a team . He is shaking things up as much as he can, considering he has those ball and chain contracts to deal with with players who do not deserve that type of $$$ and who are on the downside of their careers, No names need to be mentioned, but I will any way , Girardi, Staal, Nash, and even though I know he is The Man ( Hank ), no goalie is worth that type of money, unless he gets a shut out every game , as scores a hat trick on occasion.

    • Jul 24, 2016 at 2:08 pm

      I mean Brooks is such an egotistical maniac and thrives on knowing what the Rangers are going to before it’s announced. So you can be sure that there would have been some writing from him about Brass being shopped. Brooks did not even mention Brass.

      So Brooks no longer has “the in” with the team and now he serves no purpose other than to report the games’ results. At least he used to be good for inside info. No more.

  • Jul 24, 2016 at 9:39 am

    Already read this when Full Tilt wrote it. Thanks for giving credit.

  • Jul 25, 2016 at 7:47 am

    with the cap space that the rangers got when they traded brass last Monday I see them getting some help on defense

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