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Should you panic that the Rangers haven’t made any trades?

July 10, 2018, by

The Rangers went into this offseason on record saying they weren’t done retooling the roster. The draft came and went, and while the Rangers had many balls in the air, the only one that landed was a simple trade to move up in the draft to take K’Andre Miller. Outside of that, it’s been a quiet offseason.

There are many players on the current roster that would fetch a decent amount of assets. Ryan Spooner, Kevin Hayes, and Vlad Namestnikov –who was recently re-signed– are at the front of that list. However names like Kevin Shattenkirk –whose NMC recently changes to a NTC– and Jimmy Vesey could also fetch good returns.

But the Rangers didn’t make any moves. There is some chatter, albeit not much, that the Rangers have had a bad offseason because of it. However there is something to remember.

The Rangers don’t need to make trades right now, and sometimes the best trade is the one you didn’t make.

Let’s assume for a second that the Rangers aren’t messing with us and are all-in on the rebuild. For some, that means trading every asset on the team and then starting from scratch. That is one way to do it, and it has varying results. For every Penguins there’s an Oilers.

Instead the Rangers focused on getting elite potential talent at the draft with Filip Chytil, Vitali Kravtsov, and K’Andre Miller. That adds to their potential elite talent in Pavel Buchnevich. The Rangers also drafted solid, but not potentially elite (based on reports), players in Lias Andersson and Nils Lundqvist. Seems like a solid foundation to build upon, without making panic trades to liquidate assets.

The Rangers are going with a controlled approach, and while they certainly explored all trade possibilities, there was nothing worth biting. So now the Rangers wait until something worth it comes along. They don’t need to make a trade, which is perhaps the best spot to be in. It may seem odd, since there are no expectations for this season, but panicking isn’t the option. Something the Rangers’ brass has shown so far.

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63 comments

  1. Richter1994 says:

    As I said from the beginning of the offseason, let the trade market come to the Rangers.

    No sense in overpaying for any player. Jeff is doing the right thing here, it’s good business.

    • Walt says:

      Tony

      Short but sweet post, and very astute!

      I’m glad that no major moves have been made as well because I want Quinn to see what he can do with the existing talent, and then make adjustments as necessary. In my entire lifetime following this team, since the late 50’s, I have never seen us be in this position before, and to be frank, I love it.

      Just look at the way management addressed our defense. That was our weakest area, now it appears to be our future strength. We are strong at the center position, and deep. Our goal tending is outstanding, with Hank, Georgiev, and the other Russian kid, the future looks bright.

      We have a need to address the wings, and additional scoring, that is now our weakest area, and this too will be resolved. Bottom line, let’s go with the current roster, and work from there, without panic!!!!!!!!!

      • Reenavipul says:

        The Thumblinas are really flogging themselves today.

      • Richter1994 says:

        I gave you a thumbs up bro.

        Make no mistake, the Karlsson situation does make me nervous, but now that Kucherov is now signed, TB now knows how much cap space they have to work with for Karlsson.

        Maybe this gets resolved soon.

    • MRichter35 says:

      Rangers passed on shooters like Galchenyuk, DuClair, and Walstrom. With a stable of forwards who are generally all “pass first” players, Gorton has to change the mix a little before the start of the season.

      • Rich S says:

        Spot on comment MRichter35 ……..
        Still am trying to figure out how the rangers expect to score goals without a few proven goal scorers….has anyone on this team ever broken 30??????
        I hope they are tanking, to get a superstar in the draft because the talent on this team is non existent!!!

        • Chris A says:

          Rangers GF ranks per season:

          17-18: 21st, 231 G (No 30 goal scorer on the roster)
          16-17: 4th, 256 G (No 30 goal scorer on the roster)
          15-16: T-7th, 236 G (No 30 goal scorer on the roster)
          14-15: T-3rd, 252 G (Nash had 42 G, next highest had 21 G, Kreider)

          Has goal scoring been an issue for the Rangers? Other than last season, under AV the Rangers were consistently among the league leaders in GF. Even under Torts, the Rangers were consistently in the middle 1/3 in goal scoring. The last time the Rangers were ranked as low as they were this year in scoring, Tom Renney didn’t finish the season and Zherdev was the Rangers top point producer.

          The only 30 goal scorer the Rangers lost was Nash, and it’s been awhile (14-15 he had 42 G) since he broke 30 goals in a season

          Now this is a whole new team, and maybe scoring could be a problem, but you can be among the league leaders in Goals, and really that’s all that matters, without a 30 goal scorer. Three skilled lines, and if things break right in the player development aspect the Rangers will have a loaded top 9 again very soon, is enough to place a team among the top scorers in the league.

          • rich s says:

            I wish i could share your optimism Chris A but grabner, nash and miller totaled over 70 goals between them, I hope . but I would be shocked if their replacements come close to that.
            Again compare our roster to pitts, washington, tampa, boston, phily and toronto……even the islanders without taveras are better than us………..
            Best case scenario…..we finish dead last and get the top draft choice…..

            • Chris A says:

              Oh this year is likely going to be a gong show for the Rangers, and that’s …. OK!

              The Rangers likely won’t finish low enough to get great lottery odds; new coach, lots of young players looking to make a mark, and the Rangers likely will have above avg. to strong goaltending all season. So, I’m sure this season will see a dip in team scoring, but I’m confident that these kids should develop to the point where the Rangers can again have three really good scoring lines in a year or two. That was my point. Elite scoring talent is wonderful, but it’s not the end all be all. Having talent up and down the lineup is just as good. Of course, that would mean that the D is also strong and the goaltending doesn’t crater over the next few seasons.

              You have to hope the Rangers can get lucky via the lottery, like Carolina did this year, and leapfrog from the 10th pick to the 2nd pick as I definitely don’t see the Rangers finishing in the bottom 3 or 4 teams league wide.

      • Richter1994 says:

        Hey pal, just remember, the Brass/Zib trade occurred in mid July, out of no where.

        Right now, there appears to be a lot of staring but no blinking among NHL teams waiting to make trades. So moves could be coming.

        OR, and you have to be prepared for this, Gorton may be saving his cap space for next year to make a run at Panarin or Seguin.

        Do not assume that the Rangers are “looking to win” this year. But they also have to appease their fans and Henrik, who flat out said that next year is about winning no matter who is on the ice with him. So he has thrown the gauntlet down on Ranger management, concerning this coming year.

        P.S. We have to wait and see what we have opening night.

    • carlos says:

      Agreed Richter. I think its something new so some might panic because they seem to be doing “nothing”, but they’re being diligent for once. For those who want “scorers” (Duclair – really, now?) how many scorers over 30 goals did Vegas have last season – 1. (Karlsson had 43, the next guy wasn’t even close and remember, Karlsson had a grand total of six goals in 81 games the season before – and this was his fourth season when the puck dropped in Vegas last year). Hmmm…..I know plenty of 20-somethings on the Ranger squad this year who just might break out……with a new coach, too, just like Vegas had 🙂 Lets have some faith!

      • Richter1994 says:

        Agreed my friend.

        I have said this before, and it really is worth repeating, Ranger fans have never experienced this type of strategy before. We do not know what to do or how to react.

        Honestly, I can’t predict what’s going to happen anymore, because the moves that were supposed to be “locks” did not materialize, meaning nothing is guaranteed.

        All we can do is wait and see who is on the ice vs. the Preds opening night.

    • Rocky Balboa says:

      Yep, looking like very little will be done in regards to NYR signing anyone of significance…I found this a little strange that Quinn had a POWWOW with Hank is Sweden recently……Wonder if Handsome Hank is concerned that the team has been non-existant in signing impact players…..

      • Richter1994 says:

        hey bro, as I mentioned above, Henrik was quoted as saying “next year is about wins.”

        That’s pretty clear, and an implied message that the Rangers can go with whomever they want on the ice, as long as the result are wins.

        Now it’s up to Ranger management to comply.

      • supermaz says:

        Who cares what Hank wants, for once maybe it’s not a about him. He’s narcacystic.

    • Rocky Balboa says:

      Agree 1000% my friend!

  2. Reenavipul says:

    How are the Rangers going to move anybody when the new coach has only seen 3 roster players play in person? He’s talked to guys, but hasn’t seen them behave in a work environment.

    You can’t go changing the dynamic when you don’t have one.

    • pavel_burito says:

      Exactly.
      Lets see what the coach can do with the players. Maybe he can utilize them in a way where we CAN have a player that scores 30 goals. Kreider, Zib, Buch, Hayes are all good candidates.

  3. H Post says:

    I can’t see why anyone would press the panic button. Not yet anyway. The Rangers are in a position of strength because they don’t have to make trades to remain competitive right now. So why not use that as leverage on any teams that potentially do? It’s been done to us in the recent past. Let’s wait for a team to have an injury or underperforming player and approach us about one of our roster guys.

  4. Andy says:

    They lowered the bar on expectations. Not to surprised they have not done anything. There was a log jam in Free agency because of Tavares and now Karlsson is holding up the trade market. No point in being reactionary. But it’s been so quiet you just can’t help but wonder if they don’t have something cooking.

    Probably the biggest surprise is they stated they will fill some holes in free agency. Other than Claesson they didn’t fill any holes. Again fine with the prices being paid. Patience will pay off. Caps space and lots of young players will benefit us as we get closer to the start of the season

  5. Andy says:

    Seeing Kucherov just signed with Tampa for eight years $76 mill…$9.5 mill cap hit…interesting development

  6. Reenavipul says:

    Guessing Tampa out on Karlsson with the Kucherov extension.

    One possibility now is that they LTIR Cally now and use that money to take Karlsson’s contract on and bury Cally on the injured list.

    • Chris A says:

      If Tampa traded for Karlsson without shedding much salary, they would be right up against the summer 10% cap overage limit.

      LTIR isn’t available until after the first game of the season. Not sure how they could possibly be cap compliant on opening night with Karlsson on the roster.

      Callahan and likely another big salary would have to come off TB’s cap for a Karlsson trade to work. Basically, Genius GM Stevie Y cost himself Karlsson by handing out two ill advised contracts to Rangers castoffs, Callahan and Girardi. Maybe he could include Girardi in the Karlsson trade … wait, TB gave Girardi a NTC. Oops.

      Again, genius my foot.

      • Reenavipul says:

        Teams have been able to assign LTIR during the off-season from last year, Toronto did it.

        • Chris A says:

          It seems if you can get a doctor’s note that the player is genuinely injured, you can start using LTIR on opening night. So Tampa would be fine, as you said.

          For a hard cap the NHL certainly likes to have a lot of fortuitous loopholes. I’m looking at the Hossa and P. Kane travesties and the ridiculous Pronger 35+ contract that isn’t a 35+ contract situations from a few years back. I guess if you are one of Bettman’s darlings, Chicago or that slime, the late Ed Snider, you can bend the cap however it suits you.

          Might be time to do away with this cap nonsense completely.

          • Reenavipul says:

            Cally *did* have shoulder surgery and they announced that he’d be out until November(thereby satisfying the 24 day, 10 game conditions to go on LTIR) well before all the Karlsson/Hoffman stuff kicked off.

            Sometimes things just work out, but good luck is for the prepared.

            The thing I find amazing is that how many “cap experts” basically know sweet FA about the CBA. Heck, I have to refer back to the CBA to make sure my suspicions are correct. Even then, I screw up.

            • Chris A says:

              Agreed Reen. The CBA and Cap are a complicated thing. Well above the pay grade of most guys on the hockey beat.

              Anyway, I wasn’t referring to TB’s current situation as bending the rules. Just the 3 earlier instances I mentioned involving the Blackhawks and Flyers

              • Reenavipul says:

                The Hawks ploy was perfectly legal. He was hurt, they used that credit to go above the cap, he couldn’t return until the regular season ended and so did any cap considerations.

                I vigorously argued that the Rangers should’ve done it with Girardi when he did his kneecap and people argued you couldn’t keep him off when he got healthy, when the whole point was that as long as they were over they couldn’t bring him back *even if healthy*

                Instead, he just sucked and sucked and sucked the more AV ran him out there and cost us the #2 seed that year.

              • Chris A says:

                Reen, that’s not how LTIR works. When the player on LTIR is deemed healthy he MUST be activated. Kane was very much healthy and should have been cleared to play at the end of the 14-15 season. Of course, if Chicago did that they would have been millions over the cap as they used the LTIR space created by Kane’s injury to acquire Antoine Vermette.

                You can’t paint yourself into a corner and then hold your hands up and say “we can’t activate him, we don’t have cap space” The rules are pretty explicit about not doing that.

                Also, seeing as Girardi played 74 games in 15-16, the season he had a cracked kneecap, he wasn’t even hurt long enough (10 games missed or 24 calendar days) to qualify for LTIR.

              • Reenavipul says:

                No, that’s incorrect.

                Leaving out the preamble to
                CBA 50.10(d)(iv)
                “the Club *shall*(my emphasis) be required to once again reduce its Averaged Club Salary to a level at or below the Upper Limit prior to the Player being able to rejoin the Club.”

                The operative term being “shall”, not “must.” “Shall” in legal terms is an option, not a mandate like “must” or “will.”

                So “if” the club wants that player to play again when cap rules are in place(ie; regular season), they have to clear space.

                If they don’t want to, they don’t have to.

              • Reenavipul says:

                As for Girardi, he played like utter shit the entire time from the games in Alberta until they started scratching him due to the prior injury. It would’ve been more than enough time to qualify.

              • Chris A says:

                Good looking out quoting the CBA.

                I was going with Capgeek’s LTIR FAQ. They write: ‘When a player is deemed fit to play, the team MUST activate them.’

                Going back to Girardi, if the guy was playing, he was healthy enough to play. Maybe he was hampered, but that doesn’t necessarily mean whoever the league has investigating the situation will agree that Girardi was too injured to be deemed unplayable.

                Who knows what happened behind the scenes? Maybe the Rangers told Girardi they were going to LTIR him and he threatened to file a grievance with the NHLPA if they went ahead?

              • Reenavipul says:

                Team doctors are notoriously shitty ones for the most part. Either jock sniffers or assigned by the local HMO to drive business their way via PR.

                You can go to any player’s medical file and you’ll see it littered with AMA(against medical advice) notes.

                At some point, the docs work for the club and not the player(no matter what article 34 says) and need to start acting so, for liability purposes at the least. Force the player to get an AMA from his own doctor, force those 2nd opinions.

                If it’s game 6 of the conference finals and you’re down a game, I get it.

                A mid-season stretch of games when they had players who needed games(like McIlrath in order for him not to become a group 6 UFA), I don’t get it for either club or player.

              • Peter says:

                Reenavipul, your take on the meaning of ‘Shall’ in contract parlance is not correct. “Shall” makes what follows a requirement, not optional.

              • Reenavipul says:

                Peter,

                That’s not what I was taught in contract law.

              • Reenavipul says:

                Peter, they tell you in the CBA how it works, FFS.

                “However, if the unfit-to-play Player once again becomes fit to play, and the Club has not otherwise created any Payroll Room during the interim period, then the Player shall not be permitted to rejoin the Club until such time as the Club reduces its Averaged Club Salary to below the Upper Limit.”

              • Peter says:

                Well I guess you are not remembering your contract law very well, because in a contract ‘shall’ denotes a duty. It has fallen out of favor because of ambiguous interpretations in statutory construction, but in contracts the interpretation of ‘shall’ is clear, and the CBA is a contract. That is how it was when I took contract law, and how it is used in the three jurisdictions in which I practice.

          • Reenavipul says:

            The NHLPA or NHL doesn’t care about the Pronger kind of outcomes because insurance covers it.

            The actuaries might, however.

            • Chris A says:

              I cared because the Flyers should have been saddled with a massive cap hit, a fitting punishment for trying to pull a fast one with the 35+ rule.

              If you are going to have a hard cap, have a hard cap.

              But yes, the league and PA could care less about that, sadly.

              • Reenavipul says:

                The way Pronger got passed around like somebody’s old lady at a biker gang initiation was a bit unseemly.

      • Rich S says:

        One win away from the cup finals, which i believe they would have won……..A team loaded with YOUNG talent and a few superstars mixed in……….
        Comparing our roster to tampa’s……….embarrassing…….
        Along with mcphee and lamoriello , Yzerman is one of the top 3!!!!!

        • Hatrick Swayze says:

          “One win away from the cup finals, which i believe they would have won”

          ^Rangers 2014-15 team???

          • Rich S says:

            ….if hank could have kept a 3rd period lead in 3? losses…
            ….if st louis didn t get manhandled every time he touched the puck
            ….if nash played like he did in columbus….

      • rich s says:

        Look at the big picture Chris A,
        Stevie Y ‘s team was one win away form the cup finals, which they probably would have won……
        Stevie Y’s team is loaded with talent …offensively and defensively…..
        I would be surprised if he traded for Karlsson anyway……
        Comparing tampa ‘s roster to the rangers……..embarassing for us……’
        along with mcphee and lamoriello the 3 best…….

        • tanto says:

          … and yet his teams have never made a SC final. If we’re comparing records the Rangers, aside from last year, have been more successful. Why is that? lol

          • Rich S says:

            last 5 years tampa has more wins, finished higher than rangers all but twice……..and finished 1 or 2 4 out of 5 years…….BUT……..even worse…..
            Look at tampas roster and look at the rangers……again embarrassing comparison…..

            • Chris A says:

              Well, there was a recent 5 year stretch where the Rangers had participated in the most playoff games in the NHL. That’s a pretty solid run. And, without a Cup, that’s pretty much where TB is at the moment.

              TB’s future looks bright at the moment, but they have now, correctly, committed a lot of cap space to their key players. They only have a few seasons before that pricey core ages and TB is looking at a very old, expensive, under performing roster. I would say TB is where the Rangers were when AV first came aboard in 2014.

              That’s pretty much the NHL under a cap. A team gets, at best, a 6-7 year window and then they have to tear it down and start stripping away the expensive players in exchange for a roster dominated by very young and inexpensive question marks.

              It happened to Detroit and the Rangers and it’s happening to Chicago and LA as we speak. It will happen to TB in a few years. The only question is will TB have another Cup before that happens like 3 of those 4 teams I mentioned, or will they be like the Rangers (without a Cup, sadly) at the end of that window?

      • Rocky Balboa says:

        Tampa’s intent was to buyout Calli, but with Calli out with an injury, it can’t be done.

        • Reenavipul says:

          No, under the SPC they could’ve bought him out while injured, but the team is on the hook for all reasonable medical bills SPC 5(c).

          A buyout would make bringing Karlsson in easier, but would’ve totally screwed things up to extend him or the forwards whose contracts were up next year.

      • Walt says:

        Chris

        genius my foot

        Love it! There are plenty that think he walks on water, and this proves he is so over rated!!!!!!!!

  7. joe from newburgh says:

    “As I said from the beginning of the offseason, let the trade market come to the Rangers.” Perfect, Richter!
    That is exactly what we should be doing, and, if necessary, that patience should last into next off season as well. Maybe we let Panarin stay in Columbus for another year, maybe another gifted player becomes available, but no more deals just for the sake of dealing.

    • Rocky Balboa says:

      Don’t let the Richter fool ya! Richter wanted Trouba, Karlsson, Zadina, Walhstrom and Jennifer Lopez, but settled for a box of Montecristo classics!…Love ya Richter!

      • Richter1994 says:

        LOL, love you too bro.

        I did want Trouba and Wally specifically, yes.

        I don’t know how to feel about Karlsson, lol.

    • Richter1994 says:

      Yep, Panarin and Seguin available next year? Very possible and the Rangers will (probably) be right there with cap space to spend.

      Or at least that appears to be the plan. So does Hayes get traded so they do not spend $5-6M per of that cap space?

  8. tanto says:

    I didn’t even know there was an issue here. 😉

  9. James1090 says:

    I seriously doubt that the Rangers would trade Shattenkirk after he took less money to sign with them. I was hoping some trades would have happened. Maybe Zucc or Spooner at least.

  10. Elliot says:

    Anyone who’s been a Yankees / Red Sox fan for a while knows that adding or trading just to mollify concerned fans wanting action is a recipe for disaster.

  11. Ray says:

    You are overestimating the trade value of the Ranger players. Look back at what the Rangers got for Carl Hagelin, essentially nothing as it turned out. A player you don’t really need (a mid-level forward) who is going to be paid at least as much as he is worth isn’t really worth giving up very much for.

  12. rich s says:

    Look at the big picture Chris A,
    Stevie Y ‘s team was one win away form the cup finals, which they probably would have won……
    Stevie Y’s team is loaded with talent …offensively and defensively…..
    I would be surprised if he traded for Karlsson anyway……
    Comparing tampa ‘s roster to the rangers……..embarassing for us……’
    along with mcphee and lamoriello the 3 best…….

  13. Joen7 says:

    Rangers are playing this very well. Unless someone blows us away and I can’t see that happening based on what we have to offer. Wait for a contender with a big injury else wait for the trade deadline. The only way I’d move on an even trade if we go a pick that could be from a team that might not make the playoffs middle of the road team.

  14. Ray says:

    I don’t understand the impetus to trade these guys anyway. I can understand trading Lundqvist, Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith, Kampfer, Zuccarello, Beleskey, who are the only Rangers over 27 (though 3-5 of those players have no trade value and 1-3 even have negative trade value). But players 27 or under will still be quite relevant when the Rangers hope to contend again.

    Sure you make a deal if you think it upgrades what you have, but there is no need to make one at this time.

  15. chrisqct says:

    I don’t get it. Is this really something that folks are concerned about? I read A LOT on the NYR, and have not seen too much written with this concern.

    I also, though, do not read many comment sections either.

    btw… looks like you guys got hacked or something. The entire front page of this blog has been overwritten with prescription drug adverts.