It’s time for true accountability

January 9, 2018, by

alain vigneault

In case you missed it on Sunday night, Rangers Twitter was turned upside down when Alain Vigneault made a pair of roster decisions that, for all intents and purposes, made little sense to a good number of people. The first was scratching Pavel Buchnevich (third on the team in goals and scoring), and the second was benching Brendan Smith for Steven Kampfer.

On the surface, there really is nothing wrong with the decisions in a vacuum. Logically speaking, Buch had been struggling to score lately, and there was likely a need to get Kampfer in a game before the bye week. That’s perfectly fine, if those reasons were given by the head coach when pressed on the issue. Instead, we got a vanilla “I liked the matchup” response. He dodged the question with, in my opinion, a bull**** answer. He insulted my intelligence in the process.

For those of you who think this is just another post complaining about roster decisions, it’s not. There has been a ton of time on Twitter —by others— dedicated to why scratching Buch is silly. It’s about the lack of accountability for Vigneault, who thinks he doesn’t need to be truthful. If he had provided the reasons mentioned above in a transparent manner, I would disagree and move on. My New Year’s resolution, after all, is to ignore his roster decisions.

Think back to the days of John Tortorella and his 10 second post-game interviews. The media killed him for it in New York because he didn’t give answers. But now, the media gives AV a pass for non-answers because there are more words involved. If this was Torts, he would’ve been crushed by the media, stating that his lack of answers is crushing development of the kids, and he is not dressing the best roster. But AV is more likable to the media and he smiles more, so he gets a pass?

This shtick of vanilla answers that don’t actually address the question is getting old. I understand not answering about every roster decision, but for something like this, where there would certainly be backlash for making the most recent decisions, clear answers are required. It’s a part of your job.

Considering how much fire AV has been under this year, clear and concise answers regarding some of these roster decisions will go a long way to earning some of the trust back from the fan base. “Just win baby” isn’t viable anymore when we know we are being lied to. Plus it certainly doesn’t help when they, you know, aren’t winning. Accountability, thy name is Vigneault.

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  1. Dave says:

    Buchnevich sat for 0-3-3 in his last 10. Nash is currently on a 0-0-0 line over his last 10. Fast 0-0-2. Hayes 2-2-4.

    • tanto says:

      … but but but Nash at least is producing well in other areas of the game. That isn’t meant to suggest I agree with the decision to bench Buch, that’s just an absurd response to what’s going on with the offense.

    • Axel says:

      Fast isnt in a role where he is supposed to score alot, no matter what Av thinks Fast isnt a top 6 guy, he is a great 4:th liner and abp guy. So too mentions him as a problem for not scoring is just wrong. Agree on the other points though.

      • Lace says:

        I may be in the minority on this but I don’t mind Fast being in the top 9. The Rangers don’t have many right handed wingers. With Fast on the 4th Line there’s 3 lefties on all 3 top 9 RW spots and only Zibanejad on the left side on the PP.
        Fast skates well and as this lineup is constructed, belongs on the top 9.

        • tanto says:

          I agree Lace, he’s a competent 3rd liner scoring-wise.

          • Lace says:

            That’s my point exactly bud. He scores goals simply with his righty shot that a lefty on the same side of the ice would have trouble with.
            It’s not easy playing the off wing at even strength. Not many players have had long prosperous careers playing the off side full time.

    • Rich S says:

      One of your best articles Dave…out of many really good ones!!!!
      And great to point out that like Torts, he says nothing yet the press gives him a pass……..The news and post should hire you as their top hockey writer/reporter.

    • CTfan says:

      I agree. AV does manage to get the least from good players.

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        Yeah….like Grabner. Look how badly he’s regressed under AV. Oh wait!

        Anorher blatantly false and baseless claim.

        • Mancunian Candidate says:

          Citing Grabner doesn’t remove Vigneault’s up&down history with young players like McIlrath, Buchnevich, Miller, Hayes, DeAngelo, etc from the historical record, E3. For once it’d be nice to see you acknowledge one flaw—one flaw—in AV’s approach to youth. Not to mention his bizarre inattention to getting the most out of his roster, like coaches are supposed to do.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:


            Citing Grabner is more than reasonable. Because you know as well as I do, if the reverse had happened and Grabs had left the Rangers only to flourish under Babs, that whole thing would be blamed 100% on AV. I still haven’t seen one comment out here giving kudos to the coach for that. He only gets blamed. Never praised.

            As for your examples, let’s take them one at a time—

            McIlrath….Seriously? How many times do we have to go over this. Fact….no NHL coach has played McIlrath more than AV. Fact….McIlrath was waived three times and no NHL team claimed him. Fact, he’s viewed as nothing more than an AHL player at the present time. How you and others see this as indictment of AV that he didn’t play him more is truly mind boggling. Indeed, if anything, AV should have been taken to task for playing a marginal minor leaguer as much as he did. My advice to you and others pursuing this “AV isn’t good with young players” agenda would be…..maybe drop the McIlrath example? It only weakens your case.

            Buch….let’s hold on that until the end.

            Miller….sigh…..Again, for the 10,000th time, here’s what REALLY happened. First, it was reported that Torts was not a fan. It was rumored that that was at least a small factor in why he was let go. Second, once AV came on board, Miller showed flashes of talent, but also horrible defensive instincts and very, very poor decision making on passes (which is still an issue, but obviously a greatly minimized one). Then, through reporting from Dan Rosen from NHL.com, and then later confirmed on air by Dave Maloney, we learned that Miller had significant maturity and work ethic issues that needed to be addressed. I’ll never forget the post game show, I think it was two years ago maybe, when Maloney said (paraphrasing) “it wasn’t 100% clear to Rangers management that Miller was willing to do what it would take to be an NHL player”. Wow! Pretty damning for a former NHL player to say that. Then Maloney lavished him with praise because he had since turned that narrative around.

            So what do we have now with Miller? A guy who, despite still making mistakes, has the full confidence of the coach, has played every single game over the past 2 1/2 seasons, and has seen his ice time increase each year.

            I’d rate that a huge win for the coach….even though Miller is just another good but hardly great player that many on this blog overrated then and still do today.

            Hayes….actually, in this case, the exact OPPOSITE of what you seem to believe is true. For proof, I submit Hayes’s first season. On a team with legit Cup hopes, AV put him into a significant role right away, and he did very well, finishing 7th in the Calder vote. The next season was a different story. Hayes came to camp in less than ideal condition, and his play slipped. But nonetheless, AV mostly stuck with him. He still played in the same 79 games, and his ice time went UP, not down. Indeed, once the Rangers acquired Eric Staal, he decided to move Staal to the wing and stick with Hayes at center, a move that I vehemently disagreed with, but runs totally counter to the whole “AV doesn’t trust the kids” narrative. He hated having to bench Hayes for the sum total of three games that year, but it was evident apparently to everyone (even Hayes himself) that Hayes was not playing well enough to stay in the lineup. If anything that season, AV showed too much faith in Hayes, not the reverse.

            The next season, Hayes bounced back, I don’t believe was benched at all, and again, his ice time took a massive jump forward. And this year, while his stats are lacking, thanks to the faith AV showed in him, he’s becoming one of the better defensive centers in the league, and has improved his faceoffs and on the PK. This is another AV development victory, not the reverse.

            Then, to add even more ammo that shoots down your argument, there was this….his own words (with no “evil” reporters asking him any questions mind you) from last April in the Players’ Tribune—

            “Now, I’ve known Kreids for a while — he’s also from outside Boston and went to BC — so he was pretty straight up with me about the city, the fans and the media. But it was all good stuff. And Brian Boyle … this guy was leaving the Rangers and he still had so many positive things to say about the organization. He explained how Alain Vigneault was a fair and honest players’ coach and liked offensive players who commit to defense.

            “Another date I’ll never forget? December 30, 2015 — the day AV gave me my first healthy scratch. I had wanted to build on the success of my rookie year, but I didn’t realize until the beginning of my second season that I hadn’t done nearly enough over the summer to get ready. Not nearly enough to meet my own expectations to become the player I know I can be. Getting scratched after struggling for nearly three months was sort of when things got real. No lie, it was embarrassing.

            “In the first round of the playoffs last year, we dropped two out of our first three games to the Pens. Before Game 4, I found out that I was going to be a healthy scratch. And not just for that game, but for Game 5, too.

            “When we got back from Pittsburgh after losing the series, I kept to myself for a few days. I had never felt so ashamed, really. And the thing is, I was in a contract year. The same brutal thought consumed me for the next couple of weeks:

            “This is how I’m going to be remembered here — as the kid who went out on two healthy scratches.

            “And that’s sort of when I vowed to myself, to the boys, to Alain, to the organization and to this city that I would never let them down again.”

            Since these were his own words, with no questions asked of him, why mention AV at all? Why call himself out if he felt he was wronged? Doesn’t exactly sound like a guy who has any issue whatsoever with AV. Indeed, it was reported that Hayes was instrumental in recruiting Jimmy Vesey. So why do all these young guys want to come and play for a coach that doesn’t give young players a fair shake? You and others with this “anti-kid” narrative have never once explained that!

            DeAngelo….come on, seriously? Two different organizations have quickly moved on from him. Ever stop to think that perhaps, there’s a reason why? Then he gets to Hartford and is so poor, that he’s a healthy scratch. Hey, maybe McCambridge hates kids too. :). Or maybe, this is a young man who needs a swift kick in the pants and a healthy portion of humble pie in order to eventually be NHL-ready. To blame his situation on AV, when there are well documented issues with him from past organizations, is frankly absurd.

            Ok…back to Buch. I would agree that he SHOULD play more. BUT, I also strongly believe that you EARN more playing time. It should not be handed to you. This is yet another guy we are overrating at the moment. He was very good early, but most of that success came off of the PP, when it was clicking. Hasn’t Buch remained a PP fixture? I’m not aware of any change there. He wasn’t knocking it out of the park 5v5 even when he was going good, and since 12/1, he’s been pretty much a non-factor. What in the world is wrong with trying to shake an important player out of his doldrums and maybe get his attention that he needs to do more?

            I posted this the other day, so won’t repost. But check the ice times for Kuznetsov, Tarasenko and Kucherov, the latter two for sure who are far, far more talented players than Buch likely will ever be. Their coaches used them much the same way. Limited ice time the first two seasons.

            Despite claims to the contrary, this is hardly an “AV thing”. This is what many coaches do. But I’ve sadly concluded that, when it comes to this narrative, as Led Zeppelin would say, “The Song Remains the Same” and won’t likley change. Not until the next coach comes on board and probably does much the same thing and we can then complain about that!

  2. James Carr says:

    He benched Smith for 7 games, you complain; he benches zibby for a period; complaints, he scratches buch, complaints.

    Maybe it’s time we all faced facts, this team lacks top end talent

    • pas44 says:

      but does that fact merit the types of moves AV is making?

      I thought he wrecked JT Millers momentum last year by benching him during a really positive stretch, I think AV doesn’t know how to make players better when it comes the mental side of the game.

      he is good with X’ and O’s, but he hasn’t built this team and certainly didn’t build Vancouver either..

      I would argue he’s a wrecking ball and causes teams to become more dismantled then building a room.

      my Opinion

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        Gee, that’s really remarkable that AV somehow found a way to bench Miller, since he played in ALL 82 games. So please explain how that happened as opposed to making nonsense up. Miller’s benching day’s are long gone. He’s played in every single game for two and a half seasons now, and his ice time has steadily INCREASED each season.

        But sure, let’s stick with nonsense. It was totally AV’s fault that Miller disappeared down the stretch last season and in the playoffs. Player had nothing to do with it. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

        If there are no facts to support the bogus “AV hates the kids” narrative, let’s just make them up as we go!!!!!!

        • pas44 says:

          I apologize if I have the timing incorrect, I am positive AV wrecked a solid stretch Miller was on for, I think, taking a penalty …

          I can’t remember….

          but I am not making this up.

          hates a strong word, I think AV just doesn’t know how to mature players all that much… sorry…

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Or maybe….just maybe, the players that we constantly overrate out here just aren’t as good as you think they are.

            • Rich S says:

              Everyone picked the rangers to make the playoffs and more …..
              -the hockey news -picked them 4th…..
              -writer tim campbell – picked them 2 nd place
              -sporting news picked them 4th
              -hockey writers.com picked them 4th as well
              and most of all Vegas odds have them as 14-1
              [ along with dallas, nashville, anaheim , toronto , minn and habs] to win cup behind pitts, tampa , chicago, washington,and edmonton…..
              So are all of these experts wrong???? Why are they all picking them to be in playoffs and more if they dont have good players?????
              Rangers have talent , what they lack is a GOOD coach!!!! Only a matter of time………for AV…..

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Ahhhh….more Captain Hyperbole convoluted logic.

                To wit…

                1) Everyone did NOT pick the Rangers to make the playoffs. You only showed us the ones who did. Many had the Rangers the likeliest team to regress and miss the playoffs.

                2) when did I say or imply we weren’t talented enough to make the playoffs?

                3) so what you are saying is, the experts that you chose to go with here believe the only reason the Rangers will make the playoffs is because of the players….not because of the coach who has led two different teams to said playoffs NINE years in a row…a rather remarkable feat in the post-cap parity mad era we find ourselves in. You think their prediction was made in spite of the coach? I suspect it was largely made BECAUSE of the coach.

                4) the Rangers ARE in playoff position at the moment, this despite having no Kreider, and having manpower games missed due to the injuries to Fast, McDonagh, Zibanejad, and now Hayes. So your issue is what exactly?

                When is your elite beast Miller going to show up?

    • Richter1994 says:

      “Maybe it’s time we all faced facts, this team lacks top end talent”

      This narrative has to stop being an excuse for the coach. Even Arizona has a coach.

      Bottom line is that no matter the talent on the roster, it’s the coach’s job to get the most out of it. Not benching one of the ONLY talents they have on the team.

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        Ahhhh…but maybe a one game benching IS how to get the most out of a player who has woefully underachieved the past six weeks.

        Maybe the real issue is we should stop blaming the coach for the shortcomings of good but hardly great players.

        • Richter1994 says:

          It’s the same Rangers that get called out bro. It’s stupidity, not motivation. His systems suck and not once does he say “it’s on me.” Ever.

          Unless the Rangers go deep into the playoffs, I wouldn’t be surprised if AV gets the boot after this year.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            When has he called Buch out? Is there a quote you can find? I can not. His ice time has increased over last year and is comparable with the ice time guys like Tarasenko, Kuznetsov and Kucherov received in their first couple of seasons…and let’s remember, Buch has played a sum total of 82 NHL games due to last year’s back injury. He is still developing and is far, far away from being immune to reduced ice time or a one game benching.

            Why are you so obsessed with whether he “blames” himself publicly? Why is that important? Has AV EVER given himself credit for a win? Or the two back to back playoff comebacks? No and no. He just doesn’t go there either for good or bad. It’s totally irrelevant.

            As for the playoffs, hard to say. Really depends on the internal expectations which we know nothing about. If Kreider can’t come back and be a force and if Mika is diminished becasue of the concussion, can AV be held accountable?

            They gave AV a huge extension. They made the team younger. Doesn’t that suggest Gorton is playing the long game as it pertains to AV?

            My prediction…it depends on whether they finish healthy, then how they finish as a team, coupled with who they would be able to get as a replacement. Renney was replaced by Torts. Upgrade. Torts was replaced by AV. Upgrade, or at the very least, lateral move. I doubt the Rangers make either move if a viable upgrade was not available. All three were/are good coaches. You can’t afford to downgrade.

            The Rangers already have a borderline HOF coach. They are not likely going to fire him without a very, very strong replacement available

          • Richter1994 says:

            When I say “call out” Buch I mean with demotions and benchings, not verbally.

            I read that Buch played a stinker in AZ but didn’t all of them except the goalie?

            Brooks stated today that the Rangers are giving up the 3rd most shots in the league and 8th from the bottom in getting shots. This is AV’s system. It has always been that way. Own it for a change and realize that these players are not the right pieces for this style of play.

            Torts was great 2011-12 and then sucked the following year because he tried to force feed the same “defense at all costs” system on a more talented group for 2012-13. It got him fired after signing the proverbial “they won’t fire him” extension.

            • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

              All that’s true, but what really got him fired was the fact that he lost the room. I don’t think Slats had any intention of firing Torts until he learned what was going on. That flipped the narrative.

              If AV had lost the room, he’d be gone by now. If he loses the room by season’s end, he’ll be gone, contract or no contract. But let’s put it this way…if Gorton doesn’t go all in to win at the deadline, that’s a pretty clear sign AV won’t likely be judged on playoff results. It will be based on other factors…does he still have the ears of the players, and/or is there a chance to upgrade the coaching position with a Coach Q type hire.

              Obviously, if Gorton DOES go all in to win this year and the Rangers don’t at least get to the Conference Final, then I would agree, goodbye AV.

        • CTfan says:

          Come on AV. You don’t have to use a fake screen name to say nice things about yourself.

    • CTfan says:

      Or the gum chewing clown is clueless.

  3. Steve C says:

    AV does not owe it to bloggers/media/fans to say why he sat a guy. He owes it to the player he is sitting to explain it. I really doubt he said to buch I liked the matchup so you are sitting.

    If he sat up there and said Buch is not getting it done and his lack of defensive play is hurting the team. He would be ripped for throwing buch under the bus and the player now has to answer to why AV sat him and about his lack of defense etc etc. As long as he sat Buch down and explained it, that is all a coach has to do.

    We get it, a lot of fans hate the guy, so whatever he does would be wrong. A coach owes it to his team/players to not be specific to the media/fans or he will lose the team.

    • sherrane says:

      I don’t understand why so many people fail to comprehend this. Coaches are not honest in their Press Conferences. Coaches say what they want the player / team / opponent to hear publicly. Remember the words that Barry Trotz said about Shattenkirk that set several people off on this blog a month ago? Reporters then asked Shattenkirk for a response. Well, Shattenkirk was invisible that game offensively and was a -3 in the +/-. Mission accomplished! Trotz didn’t make a mistake saying it, he made a mistake saying it in December rather than saving it for the playoffs.

    • tanto says:

      Well Steve, he doesn’t owe us the TRUTH — but he shouldn’t insult our intelligence with inane BS (which has been going on since he first got here). I preferred Torts way of answering questions where he didn’t want to publicly expose the truth: none of your business or I’m not going to discuss that or shut up Brooksie. lol

    • evanx says:

      How many goals against has Buch been on the ice for at 5 v 5 in his last 13 games?
      Ill answer that for you. ZERO
      So your “lack of defensive play” comment is totally false and this false narrative against Buch is disgusting. He makes things look easy and effortless so people think he is not trying. AV is ruining our best prospects confidence and hes going to run him out of town for no reason.

      Buch is third on the team in scoring. He was demoted to the fourth line against the worst team in the nhl on saturday with ZUCH AND KREIDER OUT. Explain to me how there are 6 wingers better than buch for him to be relegated to the fourth line? We are one of the few teams that demotes its most skilled players constantly and without reason.

      AV should maybe look in the mirror because our team is never ready to play, we always give up early goals and we have not won a game in regulation in 9 games.

      • Mancunian Candidate says:

        Well said! Agree all the way on this post!

      • roadrider says:

        And is that actually due to him or the other guys on the ice? Just being on for ZERO goals is not much more useful than the +/- stat. It could be that he missed assignments and no goal was scored because his man never got the puck or missed the net or Hank or Pav made a great save.

        Its not that the guys that were in the lineup are better players or more skilled than Buch its just that they are playing to their level and Buch has not really been playing to his for a bit of time now. He’s still a young guy playing a long schedule in the NHL for really the first time now since he was out of action for an extended period last season. Its not out of the question to give him a game off. That said, I am a bit puzzled at how often he has been shifted around the line combos this season.

        I do agree that criticism of AV for the slow starts is warranted, although the players should be accountable for this too. The lack of regulation wins recently and the scoring drought are also concerning and both the coach and the players need to look in the mirror and ask themselves what the problem is. But the coach can’t play the game for the players and there are a lot of guys not carrying their weight right now.

      • Richter1994 says:

        Sorry evanx, did not know you posted the stat on Buch.

        I posted it below as well from Adam Herman.

  4. Spozo says:

    Do we really miss the days of “why isn’t Hagelin on the PP. Cuz he sucks!”.

    • tanto says:

      Actually yeah. At least it was funny. AV on the other hand is terribly bland and often times insults our intelligence with platitudes and extreme BS.

  5. flatbush says:

    There is no accountability period. I know this is a new day and certain methods don’t work anymore but the LEADER is the head coach. The other coaches take their cue from the head. The coaches are the go between and they should be allowed to suggest and implement their ideas. We have no way of knowing how much juice the coaches have. They have to buy into the concept and system that the head throws down. So its hard to rate the coaches and they are accountable to AV. I guess they are fine and frankly they get a B. About the only thing you put on them is the PP and PK unless AV dictates how to run each system.

    AV style, and this is mostly perception and observation caused we are not privy to actual discussions, is non confrontational. I also think there is little emphasis on taking the body as his concept is all offensive. I don’t think he gets in anyone’s face. Don’t get me wrong in todays game there is less room from a Torts tirade but when there is lack of effort , passing up a hit, standing around or just going against the game plan it deserves a man to man uncomfortable talk. If that doesn’t sink in you say next and give someone an opportunity no matter if your a vet or rookie. I believe the head coach must create an atmosphere of completion beside a system. I think he is a nice guy and his style is not to confront especially veterans. That personality says a lot about this team. That’s why they don’t hit or play a hard nosed type of game. I get it cause the team is built on AV playing fast and pretty. He doesn’t have that type of team but that’s his choice. By the way you need only a couple of these type guys . I wonder do they ask Hayes CK and BOO, the biggest forwards they have to use their body and never let the other guy off the hook. I doubt it by the looks of things.Now its fine to sit new guys a shift or two if he’s making the same bonehead decision. A talk and another chance is the way to go. Not letting the guy see the ice for the rest of the game does nothing. Also demoting a guy like Buch to 4th line may be appropriate if you have told the guy he’s been horrible. The team is pilotless. I think the guy who has the most passion is the goalie. Av has the raw talent and speed in this years team that eclipse previous years but will the results be different. NO that’s AV history. Same MO as was his stay in Vancover. If only he could maybe explode and demand that we take no prisoners you might find that missing piece. My eyes don’t fail me, watch the game and see how friendly we talk to the other team. I see more small talk between players from the opposing team. Nice guys will not finish on top.

  6. Andy says:

    Watching us play Vegas the other night I thought Gallant would actually be a great coach for The Rangers. Similar style with better results. Too bad he’s taken. Why does Vegas seem to consistently execute without major issues and blunders? I have seen them a few times living out west. They all seem to get the system. And execute. You can argue less talent than the Rangers but a better result all season long. Not exactly in an easy division either. Maybe it’s not fair to judge half a first season for an expansion team, but Vegas has been one thing all season long. Consistent. Even with Goalie injuries, the Nights were unphased. They were down to a 5th string goalie at one point and they were still winning.
    i realize the players are the ones playing the game. But I also believe AV has not gotten the most out of a lot of our players. Is it style or deployment or his blase attitude? I am not certain. But the one thing AV seems to get consistently. Is inconsistency. Sort of like his deployment decisions. Inconsistent.

  7. pas44 says:

    How many games do you think AV would have lost if not for superior goal tending and better then worse teams?

    Lets go Gordo.. get this train rolling again…

    We are a first round departure waiting to happen….


    by the way, the past 2 games past and again and further to my never ending point… Rick Nash never gets on the scoring sheet when we need someone in our #1 position does… extremely rarely at best for #61


    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      Probably as many games as Torts would lose if he didn’t have Bobrovsky, or Sully would lose if he didn’t have Crosby. Seriously?

      • Bloomer says:

        Cbj had the worse start in franchise history and Bobrovsky had zero confidence when Torts took over the team. Now they are a playoff team. Has Av ever turned around a losing non playoff team-nope. Has he ever took a team to a Stanley Cup-no. Will he ever sip out of Lord Stanleys mug-not likely.

        Av is a good coach, and no he isn’t Scotty Bowman, but I think he is getting bad press that is a bit over the top.

  8. Leatherneck says:

    To be honest, Kampfer was the best D-man in Vegas….I was at the game….he was by far the best. He should be in the line up more often

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      This is one of those times where we agree. Kampfer was good out there, unlike Smith, who has been a huge disappointment.

      But the BSB jury I believe will vote down more playing time for Kampfer, sad to say. 🙂

      • Richter1994 says:

        Who cares if Kampfer looked like Erik Karlsson?

        He shouldn’t be taking a spot away from a young player that should be playing, and yes make their mistakes, because God knows our beloved vets make enough of them and they’re tolerated, and learn for the long-term.

        • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

          Kampfer was inserted in place of Smith, not a young player.

          • Richter1994 says:

            I know, but my point is that Kampfer should not even have the opportunity to replace anyone.

            • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

              Why? Smith has been AWFUL. Every so often you do need to play your 7th D. AV played future minor leaguers McIlrath and Clendo right, and everyone celebrated those moves and wanted them to play even more. So we arbitrarily hate playing Kampfer but LOVE playing future nobodies? Got it! 🙂

              • Richter1994 says:

                Smith hasn’t been great but none of the D men, have they?

                Maybe it’s the system.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Or maybe Smith is overrated and Gorton made a big mistake.

  9. Walt says:

    “Accountability, thy name is Vigneault”

    Dave, you mean the teflon coach?

    I suspect that this could very well be his last season behind our bench, at least I pray so…………..

    • Rich S says:

      Every game Walt it is more and more obvious…..we should have traded for Evander Kane at the start of the season, like you have been saying!!!!
      This team lost its only semi-physical presence when Kreider got hurt….boy could we use Kane!!!!!
      AV should have been fired after losing to the senators……or even a year earlier….he is clueless coach….no idea what to do but bench players and switch up lines…..

      • CTfan says:

        Do you mean you don’t think DD is p physical presence. AV’s favorite munchkin.

      • Walt says:


        Agree with everything you posted, but I was against Cane coming here, and will always be!! The guy is bad news, sorry my friend, no one has any good thing to say about him………..

        • Rich S says:

          My mistake Walt…..Maybe it was Bobby B…
          Personally I could care less about his ”personality, he just produces…goals and hits……..

  10. supermaz says:

    What about Kampfer seeing more shifts than Skjei in the 3rd period. This man is a clown. Fire him now before he screws with any more young players careers.

  11. avsucks says:

    Av wont change, team comes out flat and not ready to play. Love Buc, Bo and vinny and it goes without saying Hank. If you want ACCOUNTABILITY it starts at the top. Let AV go, send a message to this team and then figure out who stays or goes.

    • pas44 says:

      somethings gotta give, or this team is 1 and done this season, which may be ok with MGT…

      who knows…

      Who knows!!!

  12. Richter1994 says:

    OOPS!! Maybe AV is reading the wrong stats. lol

    Adam Herman


    Pavel Buchnevich has not been on for a 5v5 goal against in his last 13 GAMES. I do not know how I could possibly dumb down the concept that Buchnevich’s “200-foot game” hasn’t been problematic any more than this.
    9:55 PM – Jan 8, 2018

  13. Rich S says:

    Spot on pas44
    ”’I thought he wrecked JT Millers momentum last year by benching him during a really positive stretch, I think AV doesn’t know how to make players better when it comes the mental side of the game.”’
    Perfectly put!!!!!!
    Doesnt make players better……just makes teams worse over time…..
    If he didnt have 2 HOF goalies where would he be????/
    Tired of watching rangers get outshot every game ….sometimes indouble digits…..
    Never prepared for a game….thats why we almost always give up the first goal…..

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      What a bunch of total nonsense. But not surprising coming from the Knife AV Gang. And of course, all these young players just keep signing here. And then they tell their friends to come aboard as well. They must LOVE to be abused!

      It must be so much fun to live in an alternate reality where you can twist any bogus narrative into any story you want, even when there is ZERO evidence to actually back it up.

      • pas44 says:

        You blow a lot of wind in defense of a coach that has had 2 incredible goalies backing up his defenses, both teams declined under his rule…

        these are facts not nonsense.

        nonsense is only push stats while not looking at the CUP teams he coached.

        Torts is making the blue jackets better, not worse.

        AV is making the Rangers worse – he is driving Henrik into the MAD KING…


        • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

          Fact—AV as Rangers coach has a far, far better record both regular season and post season than Torts had when he was here. In fact, Renney in aggregate was slightly better than Torts.

          Fact- since winning the Cup, AV has been a painfully medicore coach.

          Fact-Torts CBJs were favored by many to beat the Pens last year. They flamed out in the same five games AV’s Rangers did the prior year, depsite having a far superior team.

          Fact-The CBJs are barely ahead of the badly “mismanaged” Rangers.

          So how exactly is Torts making them better now?

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Oops…..I screwed up point two…..meant to say Torts has been a painfully mediocre coach. 🙂

          • Hatrick Swayze says:

            Eddie….. AV has had objectively more complete rosters than Torts and Renny during their NYR tenure. More wins is to be expected.

            • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

              Hatrick, that’s debatable. Maybe in AV’s first two years. But the last few? No way.

              Renney has the superstar version of a Jagr and a another great HOF named Shanahan. Torts had a legit goal scorer who he decided to turn into a shot blocker (Gabby) and chased out of town—a guy the likes of which AV would have killed for. Torts had Girardi and Staal at their peak, and Hank at his Vezina peak.

              So I don’t think it’s anywhere as clearly more “complete” as you think.

              Again, the two coaches swapped places. That next season, AV excelled with Torts team and Torts imploded with AVs team. That’s a pretty clear case as to who did more with the assets available to them.

              • flatbush says:

                Gabby is a good player but will never be the go to guy. He was about the only truly skilled guy that Torts had. the rest were meat and potatoes guys. Everyone bitched that he demanded players to block shots. remember that! Now the entire league blocks shots. Av has more skill and speed than Torts ever had. In the end AV and Torts get to the playoffs but never to the promise land. This is exactly the team AV wants yet he cant get them to consistently play hard. In a perfect world this team needs some of that Torts grit to go along with the skill. The only problem is that AV doesn’t believe in it so he will continue to say BS and never confront poor performance unless your a new guy.

          • Richter1994 says:

            Bro, 2 things:

            1) Luongo and Lundqvist account for 72% of the coach’s wins from 2006 to 2017.

            2) The Rangers are being outshot by hundreds of shots 5 on 5 with the goals for exceeding the goals against. THAT’S THE GOALIE, not the team or the coach.

            • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

              How many wins has Crosby and Malkin contributed to Sully’s record. 100%. Should they be expunged from the record book? I mean, seriously? You want to rewrite history now with any coach who had an elite goalie. Please!

              • Richter1994 says:

                There’s only one player on the ice that can win a game by themselves at that’s the goalie.

                So it’s all on the players that they are consistently outplayed and outshot, but the coach gets the win. Best of both worlds.

                Ken Hitchcock, one of the most defensive minded coaches in the game had zero problem with Shatty.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                That’s a bit overstated. No one can TRULY win a game by themselves in hockey…not for 82 games and playoffs…game in and game out. What is true is that Hank, the Rangers best player, carries a disproportionate load because the Rangers are simply not THAT talented. So you and others kill the coach because the roster is what it is. That’s what I don’t get.

                True, Hitch got a lot out of Shatty. But guess what! Who did Shatty have to work with? Tarasenko. Schwartz, Steen, Backes, Oshie. Everyone of those guys at their peak would be selected over ANY of our guys and it’s not even close.

                And guess what? (Again!). With all that talent, what did the sainted Coach Hitch do in St. Louis….NADA! He won one a million years ago in Dallas when his team was absolutely loaded with superstars.

                And if we are going to ding AV for Shatty, then fine, let’s be sure to rip Coach Babs a new one for failing to get anything out of Grabner. Does AV get credit for that, or just the blame for the players who aren’t producing?

                Oh and btw, point wise, Shatty, despite his struggles at the moment, is on track to garner the most points he’s recorded ever in a single season. All in spite of AV!!!!! 🙂

              • Richter1994 says:

                You are AV, aren’t you, lol.

              • Spozo says:

                Nope no credit for Grabner (admittedly I’m still amazed he’s scoring again at this pace this year). Or what about that “other rookie no AV basher ever mentions” Boo Nieves who has turned in to a steady NHL over the first half of the season. Nope just complaining that Letteiri isn’t getting 4th line minutes over Carey. Or what about the untapped defensive ability that he uncovered in Hayes? Nope. People will only whine and complain that the back of Hayes’s hockey won’t look that sexy this year despite his defensive game being as important to this teams current playoff position as anyone not named Hank.

          • Walt says:


            AV is king of the regular season, but comes up short when everything is on the line. Fact, not fiction. Read Joe Fortunato’s article he wrote today, he is stating everything we so called AV haters have been saying, but no, you have all the answers. Sorry Ed you’re dead wrong on this one my friend!

            • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:


              I did read it and sorry my friend, I vehemently disagree with virtually everything he said.

              • Walt says:


                That doesn’t surprise me at all. We are exactly 180 degrees from one another on this issue………

  14. Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:


    I disagree pretty vehemently here. A few thoughts….

    1) AV, Gorton, Sather, the players, the medical staff, etc owe us NOTHING. They are not accountable to us in any way, shape or form. Sometimes we have people out here who think we are some kind of grand jury, needing to have some evidence presented to us in order to find the coach’s decision acceptable or not. Sorry, I seriously doubt that AV cares one iota what you or anyone else on this blogosphere thinks. He cares what the players think and what management thinks. End of story.

    2) Buch has NOT been good for quite some time. He has earned no leash, no benefit of the doubt. He’s 2-4-6 since 12/1. He has been practically invisible in most games I’ve seen. Why would any sane coach want to give a young player who’s NOT producing even more ice time? To simply extend the amount of time he’s non-productive out there? He has richly earned his reduction in ice time and earned his place in the press box…and I will point out, this is the only game all season he’s been scratched. ONE game. And of course, we have to make a federal case out of it and compare AV benching Buch as if this were Cooper benching Kucherov…you know…a young up and coming star who, I don’t know, actually IS a star!

    Indeed, take a look at three other young Russians and look at their ATOI when they started their careers—

    Year 1. Year 2

    Tarasenko. 13:25. 15:10
    Kuznetsov. 13:28. 13:20
    Kucherov. 13:07. 14:57

    Buchnevich. 13:16. 14:44

    Now, full disclosure, Kuznetsov and Kucherov’s year one numbers have to be looked at with the understanding that they only played a handful of games. But the pattern is clear. This is not an “AV thing”. It takes time for young players to get it, even immensely talented young players. And I’m sorry, while I like Buch, to me, I doubt seriously he will have a career that is anything close to those guys mentioned. So why does he deserve more playing time than those legit stars got when they came up?

    To bring Fast into this conversation is beyond ridiculous because a) he was hurt and b) he’s not out there to be a point producer. He’s a grinder. And when a line needs some energy, he can be inserted there if need be. Your points about Nash and Hayes and have merit, but what do you want AV to do, bench everyone? Both Hayes and Nash have earned a much longer leash because they’ve been, for the most part, strong away from the puck, on the PK and defensively. Buch meanwhile is contributing very little at the moment.

    3) You are right that Torts got much harsher treatment in the press than AV has gotten. But not for the reasons you state. Neither coach would answer questions when they didn’t want to. Torts chose to demean or intimidate a reporter simply because he asked a question he didn’t want to answer. AV just politely deflects. Big difference in style results in a difference in how they are covered. AV shouldn’t be penalized out here because he won’t act like the horse’s behind that Torts would morph into far too often.

  15. tanto says:

    Like the great Glen “Slats” Sather once said, “coaches have an expiration date”. 😉 AV’s says 05/17 if I’m reading it correctly. He’s had years now and the greatest success was at the very beginning. Maybe it’s just time to move on when the season ends — not in the middle, I don’t see the right coaching candidate for this team. Bottom line is this team has lost its’ edge, it lacks the same mental fortitude that we saw from 2010 to about 2015. With each passing year under AV the skill increases, but the mental toughness aspect of our game decreases.

    • pas44 says:

      His successes in the beginning were form the team left behind. Torts and Sully were both shocked they didn’t get more time with the club.

      AV stepped into this team just after destroying the cunucks…


      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        As Luke Skywalker would say….”Amazing. Every word you just said was wrong”.

        AV come to NY, teams goes to the Cup Finals. Torts goes to Vancouver. Team IMPLODES and he’s fired, maybe becoming the first coach ever to be fired in back to back seasons.

        The guy who destroyed the Canucks was the GM Gillis. He was canned and probably will never work in a GM capacity again…that’s how bad he was.

        Torts lost the room….that’s why he was fired.

        • Odielishous says:

          I honestly never agreed with the firing of torts. I thought he was still is a good coach.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            As I said, Torts lost the room. There was no choice. That’s why we know AV hasn’t lost the room. Because if he had, he’d be gone by now.

            • Walt says:


              He hasn’t lost the room, they just tune out his horse sh*t!!!!!!!!! This could be the reason they sleepwalk thru the first period on a regular basis??????

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                I think if that were true, he’d have been canned by now, don’t you think.

                And in fairness, this is also the same coach that generally oversees what has been one of the better 3rd period teams in the league…which suggests that AV and his staff are making the adjustments in-game more often than not and the players are listening.

                The bad starts are unacceptable, I agree. But the coaches can’t be solely blamed for bad starts and then not get credit for good finishes. Both occurrences are on the coaches AND the players.

        • tanto says:

          Yeah Eddie. first he squandered the Canuck talent and robbed them of their mental mojo, then he came to NY to do the same thing. lol AV inherited a damn good team, Torts inherited a team that had lost its’ soul in a 7 year soul suck — and AV is doing it to our team now. 😉 Shelf life shelf life shelf life! lol

        • Bloomer says:

          Fake news eddie..The Canucks were swept in the first round the last year Av was coaching the club. They were already on the downhill slide. Torts was brought to get more out of an aging unachieving hockey team. He couldn’t. Nor did Willi Desjardins who follow him.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Wrong Mr. B!

            The Canucks may have been swept (the Hawks were sept last year…..it’s the playoffs….stuff happens) but they were a 59 point team in a truncated 48 game lockout shortended season that year that projected out to a 100 point season in a full schedule. Torts the mad man showed up, imploded the team and was fired after a dismal 83 point season. The next season, Dejardins’ first, the Canucks returned to being a 100 point team again. Yes, they were an aging team but even a mediocre coach like Dejardins was able to coax one more good season out of them.

            So between the 2008-09 season and the 2014-15 season, the Canucks were a 100 point team or better in every season but one….the year Torts was there. What does that tell you?

            • Rich S says:

              3E…..You said, ””So between the 2008-09 season and the 2014-15 season, the Canucks were a 100 point team or better in every season but one….the year torts was there….””That tells me that everyone of the 100 point seasons his team UNDERACHIEVED in the playoffs!!!!!!!!!! Thats what it tells me……..
              Bottom line….2 HOF goalies, superior talent especially on the canuks, great defensive talent on the rangers and ZERO cups!!!!!

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Actually it doesn’t.

                Lots and lots of coaches have playoff “underachievement” in their resume. Keenan until he came to the Rangers. Q before he came to the Hawks. Torts consistently now for years since his one Cup win. Trotz, Boudreau, etc, etc. You are being WAY over the top with this, as per usual.

        • Bloomer says:

          After trading Cory Snieder in the off season, Mike Gillis moved Luongo mid season when the Canucks were still in the playoff race. How well do you think Ed the Rangers would do without Henk or Pavelec right now minding their net.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Proving exactly my point….that it was Gillis that was the cancer that sunk the Canucks, not AV.

            Still, did you actually follow what went on that season in Vancouver? Torts did himself no favors with his unhinged behavior. He lost the room for the second year in a row, was canned, and then the Canucks became the Canucks again for one more season under Dejardins. To absolve Torts of any blame here is pretty absurd. The roster was still much better than the 83 point disaster they became under Torts.

            More proof…..that off season and the next….NOBODY wanted the guy. He was as toxic as Keenan. The only reasons he got the gig in Columbus….1] by his own admission, he realized he had gone off the rails in NY and especially in Vancouver, vowed to himself to take stock and change (good for him to realize he needed to unlike his unofficial “role model” Keenan who destroyed what should have been a slam dunk HOF career with his inability to learn and grow), 2) JD, who knew him well, was probably the only President or GM willing to take a chance on him. JD told Torts….you have to stop self-destructing. If you are feeling frustrated, come see me and we’ll talk it through. JD essentially became his shrink. (These first two points were discussed at length on NHL Network Radio last year by an insider….forgot who….who knows both men really well, so sounded pretty credible), and then 3) let’s face it, the Jackets were a desperate team after the start they got off to during the 2015-16 season. JD had to do something. Perfect storm that gave Torts the opening to redeem himself and his career. And to his full credit, he has largely behaved himself and done a good job….thus far.

            But doesn’t it strike you as interesting that, when both AV and Torts’s contracts were nearing their respective conclusions last year, what did each team do? The Rangers offered AV a massive extension and raise more than a year a half before it expired. What did the Jackets do? Even with the success they had last season, they waited until the summer as Torts was heading into what would have been his lame duck season, essentially pushing that decision to the limit, and then simply offered him a one year extension. That’s it. That’s hardly a ringing endorsement, and suggests strongly that even JD knows that committing long term to a volatile personality like Torts is a very risky financial play.

            • Walt says:


              I respect everything JD has done as a player, broadcaster, and now as a GM. He saw some redeeming value in Torts, and hired the man because he’s a good coach.

              He may have lost this team’s locker room, and was fired, and I was a big supported of that move, but the man can coach. He is turning a franchise that was a joke into a winning organization, while AV is turning us around in the opposite direction. JG, do your job please, and show this guy the door!

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:


                I agree with you 100% about JD. I wish he were our GM.

                I want to present a few facts about Torts vs AV, and then the CBJs, just for a fun point of discussion.

                First Torts. Obviously, he has his name on the Cup. AV doesn’t. Can’t be argued. But what has happened with both men since then?


                Averages 92 points per season

                7 playoff appearances in 11 seasons

                Out in the first round 5 of those 7 times.

                Playoff record since his Cup— 23-37

                One appearance in the Conference Finals

                Zero SC Finals appearances.


                Averages 103 points per season

                10 playoff appearances in 11 seasons.

                Out in the first round 3 of those 11 times

                Playoff record in those seasons—64-65

                Three appearances in conference finals

                Two appearances in SC Finals

                Over the past decade, who has been the more successful coach? It’s not even close.

                Now for Columbus. Yes, of course Torts deserves some credit for last season and this season thus far. But you are forgetting that the CBJs were a team on the rise in terms of the talent they had brought in well before Torts got there. They were knocking on the door of the playoffs in 2013, and the next season under Todd Richards, they made the playoffs and gave the Pens all they could handle in that series.

                Going into both 2014-15 and 2015-16, if you go back to the predictions that were being made, many experts thought the CBJs under Richards were a dark horse Cup contender. But the injury bug bit them hard, especially Bobrovsky. The team unraveled, and then did so epically in Richards’ final season, which ended abruptly. Torts came in and he hardly waved a magic wand that year. The team, while yes it got better, continued to scuffle, played .500 hockey, and missed the playoffs.

                Then last season, thanks to a combination of good health and very astute trades, the team simply became what most thought they would become, a legit contender. Not saying Torts doesn’t deserve credit…of course he does. But let’s not overstate there was (and is) plenty of talent there for him to work with…far more than AV has had the last two seasons that’s for sure.

                Yet last year, it was the Rangers that advanced deeper in the playoffs, while the Jackets, who were favored by many to beat the banged up Pens, fell short. And this year, the two teams are essentially tied in points (Columbus up by 4 with two games in hand), despite just about everyone predicting the CBJs would be far better than the Rangers this season.

                So I don’t understand how you can say that Torts is the guy turning it around in Columbus and AV is the guy sending the Rangers in the opposite direction, when there’s really no evidence to support that.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            One additional point here. I went back and looked at the Canucks record at the time of trade. They were 28-24-10, and had essentially fallen out of the race with a hideous stretch of 5-13-4 in the two months leading up to the trade. That team was unraveling before Luongo was dealt.

            Here’s Gillis’ comments….

            “I think the players now know we’re not satisfied about what has happened this season,” Gillis said. “We are not happy about what has happened this season and we haven’t met the expectations we’ve had as a group, all of us. In the clear light of day this is a wakeup call that we are not performing at the level we expect.”

            They went 8-11-1 following the trade, so they actually improved slightly. So to blame what happened in Vancouver that season simply on dealing Luongo is just inaccurate.

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      On this I mostly agree. Every coach has a shelf life. I said it before…I would not have re-signed AV last year as Gorton did. But since he did, and remember, this is a new GM with a chance to bring in his own guy, what does that tell you? That’s AV IS his guy. At least for now.

      My hunch is that, unless someone spectacular becomes available (watch the Coach Q situation folks…that’s all I’ll say), AV gets to at least mid-season next year. Just a hunch.

      Where is disagree is that we have gotten more skilled. This team was FAR more skilled in AV’s first two seasons. We’ve gotten younger for sure. But hard to argue that we’ve gotten better.

      • Stevesse says:

        I feel you are right on point. The only team that has had a great run in the last 15 years were the Red Wings. Their talent was exceptional. The coach does have a shelf life. The Rangers elite talent was Nash, Lundqvist and argueably McDonough. Nash is a shell of himself. The King still has flashes, and the Captain sometimes looks lost. There is no one one this team that comes close to their level of talent. So the only thing that effects how a team plays is the respect players have for the coach. Torts lost that and was gone. This team still believes. I just don’t think they have enough talent.

  16. Odielishous says:

    Dave your arrogance is reaching new heights!

    AV doesn’t owe you or anyone in the media one single thing. The only thing AV owes us as the fan base is to field a competitive team. Which I might add he is doing and has done since he has gotten here.

    If the Rangers start to fall and go on a multiple game losing streak and do that multiple times for the remainder of this season then we can talk about accountability to us and the fan base as a whole. Until then I don’t really care what that man says to the media. As a fan I am just happy they field a competitive team. Unlike alot of teams in this league.

    I can watch a game and see a young player hanging out at center ice waiting for the long bomb pass and not helping out his defenders. I can watch a defender do a snow angel to try and stop a 2 on 1 rush and realize his partner pinched and got caught up ice for the 100th time this season. I can watch a winger not be able to beat a goalie 1 on 1 for 30 times but realize he has put up 42 goals in one season and can physically dominate the ice when he wants to. I can also watch a winger that….. at times has shown such absolute offensive ability but consistently is not always there and when a teammate makes a unforced error he jumps right back on the bench. I can also watch how many times our defense or wingers make these ridiculous neutral zone lateral passes that get intercepted 50,000 times. And how after every game I hear the same responses from the same people on the team on how we need to play a north south game and the results will be better. Yet every single game this year we do this at least 5 times.

    The truth is right there in between the lines. You don’t need a coach to admit that he sat someone cause really he has been invisible and doesn’t add much spark to the roster or his linemates and I am looking for someone more up tempo on every single shift i give him. I don’t really need someone to tell me that. I am not that needy. I watch this game cause it is fun to watch. I enjoy watching them win…I enjoy watching them lose,(not really but if the effort is there then i don’t mind as much.) I enjoy watching the opposing team just look around at the sky when hank robs them, or Zuc makes an amazing pass, or Nasher takes over the ice.

    This is a sports game, it is for entertainment purposes. It is supposed to make you happy. Not to go off the deep end on how a guy making 10 times a year in salary compared to you is sitting on the bench with no public reasoning. Who really cares that much? Micro analyzing individual roster moves to forward your personal agenda is going just a bit too far. Relax a bit and remember the statistics. I see comments on your blog with actual statistics more times then your articles. Give me some facts to back up your opinion. Trust me I love your effort but it is getting a little misguided.

    • Richter1994 says:

      I find it funny that the first thing you mention is arrogance in defense of this coach, lol.

  17. chrisqct says:

    He picked on Hayes and JT Miller in the past and basically said they need to figure out if they want to be NHL players or really good minor leaguers.

    AV also gave Kreider and Zuccarello minutes to play regularly in the top-6 after Torts wasn’t (and I like Torts).

    It’s all relative. Kreider, Zucc, JT, and Hayes have all developed for the better. I have no doubt Buch will too.

    • Odielishous says:

      100% correct statement. It takes time for players to develop into NHLer’s. If i am not mistaken the first year of zuc he was sent down to minors.

      It is like any other profession you have to pay your dues unless you are just a elite talent and even then Crosby has not had it that easy. The amount of critics that jump all over him is absurd. He has won 3 cups and was sole reason canada won the world cup in overtime.

  18. Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

    Rick Carpiniello’s comments today on the Buch benching…

    “So, Vigneault scratches Pavel Buchnevich in Vegas. A young highly-skilled player (whom the coach loves, by the way), still learning the non-offensive parts of the game, takes a seat after a couple of games of having difficulties with puck management, etc., for a match against a fast, counter-attack team? Gee, that’s never happened before (cough, cough, Chris Kreider, J.T. Miller, et al).”

    Translation…..big deal. Nothing here. Move on.

  19. Stevem says:

    Kreids had the resection surgery today, will be re evaluated in 6 weeks

  20. Buch Nieves says:

    When I was growing up, coaches said nothing in press conferences and the reporters wrote their stories and, if we didn’t like it, we groused to our friends or talked back to the TV. No one felt entitled to an “honest accounting.” What crap.

    Now, everybody who ever laced on skates, coached their daughter’s youth team to an 8-5 record, or played Draft Kings seems to think they know how coaching and running a team should be done. Add in the social media echo chamber, and it becomes a deafening roar of inane nonsense. Oh, and you can throw in the fancy stats that don’t measure whether you skate against the Crosby line or Buffalo’s fourth.

    What all this really comes down to is AV reminds too many of you of the “arrogant guy” who taught physics class when you were in high school. You told your parents that the C- was because he was a crappy teacher, but when they asked him, he said it was your fault, you didn’t study enough. Guess what? No amount of AV saying “it was my fault” would ever satisfy you. So, stop making up BS reasons or you all might be liable to being accused of not giving an “honest accounting” fact that you have never had an evidentiary reason for wanting him canned.

  21. Walt says:

    ‘It’s Time For Jeff Gorton To End The Madness
    By Joe Fortunato@JoeFortunatoBSB Jan 9, 2018, 12:00pm EST

    Great article, and what we all, the so called AV haters have been calling for for some time now.

    • Joe Fortunato says:

      I was waiting for a shout out! The best part of the article was where I, once again, list all the players AV “ran off” the Rangers. Guys like Boyle, whom countless commenters (including myself and your leader Dave) implored Sather NOT to sign for better than fourth line money at the time, and other guys like McIlrath and Yandle whom we called the *saviors* and who have achieved surprisingly little since moving on to other coaches and other teams.

      • Bloomer says:

        Actually Boyle, Yandle and I will throw in Michael Delzotto and John Moore have done just fine in their hockey careers after leaving the Big Apple.

      • Walt says:


        E3, AV’s agent, disagrees with everything you wrote about, that only means I have to agree 10000000% with you, on that basis alone!!!

      • Dave says:

        Buch Nieves – pick a commenting name and stick with it.

        • Richter1994 says:

          I’m used to Fortunato being a marketing hog so I did think it was him, lol.

  22. Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

    Larry Brooks on the “heinous” benching of Buch—

    “I’m on record stating that Buchnevich should get more ice time, but the sophomore has to earn it, too. Which he did not with a careless performance Saturday in Arizona (when reinstated to first-line duty) that got him a healthy scratch the following night in Vegas.”

    But the AV Haters are probably right. It’s all AV’s fault. Everything is.

    • Richter1994 says:

      See this is where you don’t get it my friend, no one cares that Buch was benched, we care because he refuses to do the same for his faves for far more egregious bad play.

      AV broke up the KZB line before Kreider got hurt with Buch being demoted to the 4th line. Why? It was the only line that consistently applied offensive pressure on the ice, not to mention that putting a talent like Buch with the 4th line renders him virtually useless.

      So yes, has he done nothing lately? Sure, because the coach put him in a position to fail. You and others continuously fail to acknowledge these cause and effect results based on the coach’s “decisions.”

      Ok, I’m done talking about this, lol.

      • Walt says:


        You get better results talking to a tree I understand, than trying to change AV’s agent’s mind. Hey, it’s fun reading the bad, and forth between you two though!!!!

        • Richter1994 says:

          It’s good stuff bro. Too bad you and I agree so much now, LOL.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Love debating with you guys. You’re the best (even when you’re wrong….just kidding!).

            • jeff says:

              Happy to see these remarks of good fellowship. The frustration with this team, from the top down, leads to, at times, some sly remarks. All “old” NYR fans, especially from the blueseats, just want to see some “lets win this sh-t no more reasons why we didn’t” attitude. These games have become hard to watch with how first periods, shots against and home brodcasters broadcast. Its on Dolan, the GM, the coach and the players.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                On that…..100% agree!!!!

              • Richter1994 says:

                Agree Jeff. It could get heated but it doesn’t, it’s hockey for God’s sakes, not life and death.

                Appreciate the comments my friend.

              • Walt says:


                No truer words have been spoken on this site than your post! Now let’s win the damn cup already…………

    • Walt says:


      Sure, quote Brooks when it suits you. Tell me how much Glass, Girardi, Holden, and the likes have earned the time they got, while more talented players sat and choked their collective chickens because either AV didn’t care for them, or forgot they were even on the bench?

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:


        Don’t we all quote things that “suit” our position? I mean, that’s hardly unusual. Don’t you do the same? Didn’t you just do that with Joe?

        And don’t I get credit for including the fact that Brooks said he believes generally, Buch should play more? 🙂

        • Walt says:


          I can’t argue with you on this valid point. Give me credit for tweaking you a bit today!!!!!

  23. Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

    Injury news—

    Kreider had successful surgery on his ribs. Will be re-evaluated in six weeks. So maybe, just maybe, if all goes well, he might be back before the season is out.

    The word on Hayes is that his injury is minor (a contusion apparently) and that there’s a good chance he will play Saturday. TBD.

    • Richter1994 says:

      Good to hear about Kreider and Hayes. I think it would be in Chris’ best health interest to just shut it down for this season.

      • Walt says:


        You may be right, let him heal 100%, and come back next season hungry, and healthy. It’s not like we are serious contenders this season anyway….

    • Walt says:


      That’s the best post on this site in the last few days. Hope for a speedy recovery to both of these young men!