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2018 World Juniors: Andersson and Chytil continue to dominate

December 31, 2017, by

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Lias Andersson and Filip Chytil are continuing to dominate on the world stage. I can go through everything they’ve done, but one tweet really sums it up:

For those keeping track, that’s Andersson who is tied for the lead in goals (4) and second in points (5). Chytil is actually one point behind (4) with two goals.

Again, we are lucky we have Alex Nunn to track these guys. Here are some of the highlights:

As we saw in the preseason, Chytil uses his body very well to shield the puck and keep control, allowing his teammates time to get open for chances. He really reminds me of Jaromir Jagr in that regard.

Perfect Swedish hockey right here. Andersson is the third man on the back check, takes away the centering pass.

More on Chytil being at the net all the time. Creates a goal this time.

He is also a pretty solid passer.

Some may think that because Andersson is playing with the likes of Elias Petersson and Rasmus Dahlin, his numbers will be skewed. Don’t think that for a second. This is why the Rangers took him seventh overall.

The future is bright for the Blueshirts.

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69 comments

  1. RichS says:

    The rangers future just keeps getting brighter and brighter……Besides Andersson and Chytil , RW Ty Ronning has 34 goals and 49 points in 38 games in juniors WHL. Tim Gettinger also putting up excellent numbers and Defenseman Sean Day may wind up being the best of all these prospects and a 1st pair defenseman……….

    • Bloomer says:

      The Swiss just chased the Cze goalie out of the game at the World Juniors. Ronning with the Hat last night. I agree the Rangers have some promising prospects in their pipeline. Time will tell if their talent translates to NHL caliber.

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        I agree with Bloomer’s sentiments here. While it’s hard not to be excited about Chytil and Andersson, their real upside as difference making NHL talent remains an unknown.

        And I’m certainly no expert, but what I’ve seen of the World Junior games I’ve watched the last few days, the goaltending has been awful…at least the games I’ve seen. So I’d take this a little bit with a grain of salt.

        • tanto says:

          Difference making? Just be happy that in whatever role they get slotted into that they are better than their counterparts (or they just outplay them when it counts). Realistically you’re looking at our future 2nd and 3rd line center, whether they amount to a little more down the line (1st and 2nd) is the hope. Give them 4-6 years to get there, but I’m not sure either is going to be a REAL difference maker — as in an elite 1st liner.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            That’s all fine, but at some point, winning a Cup generally requires someone emerging as a legit top ten player at his position. Other than Hank, we have no one like that. If Chytil and Andersson only project to being more “good but not great” players, we will likely see the same good but not great results.

            • Ray says:

              Conservatively, I think Chityl has at least a 5% HOF chance. Day, Andersson likely also have a shot. So one shuldn’t presume there are no stars ahead. There just are not guarantees.

              And I would be surprised if Shesterkin does not surpass Hank. In fact, I suspect he already has.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                He already has surpassed Hank….and he hasn’t even played an NHL game yet. Should we retire his number? Wait…he doesn’t have a number yet!

                I’m pretty excited about Shesterkin. But in terms of even coming close to equaling Hank’s brilliance, he will have huge, huge skates to fill here. Huge.

                But I forget, you think Hank is a “quitter”, so hopefully Shesterkin won’t “quit” quite as much. 🙂

              • James1090 says:

                These claims you are making are pretty crazy.

                What evidence is there to say those players have a 5% chance of being Hall of Famers other than your wishful thinking?

                Again what evidence is Shestorkin already better than Lundqvist? He’s never even played in the NHL.

            • RichS says:

              3E
              ”’Generally”’ I agree with but optimistically speaking It is possible for a team to win a cup without an elite player [ bruins 2008?, ducks 2007, devils 2003]…..and conversely some elite players never win a cup….ovechkin, lindros, dionne come to mind…
              IMHO starting next year or soon after with the additions of andersson, chytil, day, ronning , igor etc
              we will have a strong enough team, esp down the middle to be considered one of favorites to win a cup…….

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                ‘03 Devils—

                Stevens, Niedermyer and Brodeur. Three of the greatest of their generation. All HOFers current or future.

                ‘07 Ducks-

                Niedermyer, Pronger, Selanne and a young Perry and Getzlaf. All HOFers or likely future HOFers.

                ‘11 Bruins-

                They are the only outlier. But still, they had Chara and Bergeron and a goalie who had the greatest run in the post lockout era.

                Other than Hank, the Rangers haven’t had high end talent like those teams since, well, 1994.

                High end talent doesn’t guarantee a Cup, that’s true. But it is pretty much impossible to win it all without at least a few.

                Happy New Year!

  2. supermaz says:

    Yeah, just turn them over to AV now so he can screw with their heads and destroy their confidence.

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      Which of course has only happened in make believe land, not in any actual situation. But keep on with the false narratives. They are quite amusing. I’m sure all the young FAs choose to sign with the Rangers just so AV can mess with their heads. Makes perfect sense.

      • RichS says:

        3E
        Why is buch getting jerked around so much? He hasnt shown enough yet to warrant top 6 status?
        I do not remember Al Arbor playing line yo yo with bossy or trottier or gilles or harris etc ettc or bowman doing the same with his top level talent…lafleur, shutt, trembley..etc etc ……
        Granted Buch is not a HOF player , he may turn out to be one , we dont know, BUT he is one of our best , most talented forwards now and players DO NOT like to be jerked around……
        AV needs to be building these young guys confidence NOT tearing it down!!!!!!!!! He was known for that in vancouver and he seems to be guilty of the same here, so to be skeptical as a fan makes sense….

        • Spozo says:

          Let’s play a game that they play in Kindergarten.

          Which of these does not belong:

          1) Bryan Trottier
          2) Pavel Buchnevich
          3) Guy Lafleur
          3) Mike Bossy

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Yes….Rich is doing his Captain Hyperbole thing here again. 🙂

          • RichS says:

            Spozo,
            Were these comments too long or confusing for you…..did you read this sentence ,”’Granted Buch is not a HOF player , he may turn out to be one ,WE DONT KNOW, BUT he is one of our best , most talented forwards now and players DO NOT like to be jerked around……”’?????Where did I say he is a HOF player?????
            Here is one for you…..
            Spozos comments are;
            1. dopey
            2. stupid
            3. waste of space
            4. dopey, stupid and waste of space

          • CTfan says:

            4) Spozo

        • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

          Rich-

          You are making some over the top assumptions here. Let’s deal with facts. Younand a few others have decided that, based on a small sample of games before he injured his back last year, and then a relatively small sample of games this season when the Rangers PP was cooking with gas early on, that Buch is somehow this tremendous talent that MUST play max minutes and MUST play on the top line. The reality is he’s been painfully medicore over the last month. He isn’t good defensively. And his offensive output at this point isn’t good enough to offset that.

          He is a young player learning the game. Giving him some time on the 4th line is no big deal. The whole 4th line narrative is overblown on this team anyway. Who plays on what line is less important than having four lines that work. Rolling four lines is essential to success, especially in AV’s system.

          You assume Buch is being jerked around and “doesn’t like it”. Please, share with us your source on this. Because there is no reporting anywhere that this has happened with Buch or any Ranger in the years AV has been here. None. Zero. It is made up nonsense only existing in the blogosphere.

          As for Vancouver, you always post the same silly blogosphere article that came out after AV was canned. There was no sourcing there at all. And I have posted in response three different articles from far more reliable sources that all said the culprit was the GM, not the coach, who gave AV overrated young players at the end of the coach’s tenure—players who didn’t amount to anything of significance in their career. That’s why AV didn’t play them. Then a year later, it was the GM Gillis who was canned because of his poor job of player evaluation and no one will touch Gillis now with a ten foot pole.

          The Sedins have been quoted as saying that it was AV’s tough love approach that helped shape their young careers. AV has always been tougher on the players he feels has the most upside. That’s his MO and the MO of many coaches.

          Bottom line, you are overrating what Buch is today, and completely distorting the reality of AV’s coaching history as it pertains to young players.

          Can you name me the list of players that AV has “jerked around” that went on to succeed elsewhere? Is there even one example in over a decade of coaching?

          • RichS says:

            3E
            When I see buch play I see a very talented player……a top 6 IMHO, and one I expect to continue to get better.
            I have no ”source” quoting him as saying he doesn’t like getting moved around so much, but a young NHL player would never say that publicly…..
            I believe that players, especially young ones benefit from routine and consistency and get to know their linemates positioning,speed, and other tendencies,
            and leaving him with zib and kreider for the entire season would be best for him….. and best for his development and production…..

          • CTfan says:

            Success and AVs system do not belong in the same sentence, unless you add “ lack of.”

            • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

              1) 634 wins….tied for 11th best all time

              2) over the past 11 and a half seasons, winningest coach in the NHL

              3) nine straight playoff seasons and three straight 100+ point seasons…both rare feats in the hard cap era.

              4) most playoff series wins by a Rangers coach in 78 years.

              Add it all up, and this screams one simple retort to your claim—

              “You are wrong!”

              • Mancunian Candidate says:

                Joel Quenneville is the winningest coach of the last 11 years. Daryl Sutter & Mike Sullivan are also way ahead of Vigneault. As is every coach in the NHL who has one championship on their resume, like Claude Julien.

              • Richter1994 says:

                AV is a good coach but not a Cup worthy coach.

                2014 I thought he was good and not because he made the SCF. I had zero problems with him, actually, I was very happy with him back then. But then came the 2015 playoffs.

                He got absolutely schooled by Cooper, especially at home where they scored 3 goals in 4 home games or something like that. Yes, the Rangers had injuries but yet they scored 6 in game 6, so injuries not an excuse.

                2016 the team was bad and one and done.

                2017, we talked about this enough times. He was directly responsible for 3 playoff game losses and the Ottawa series in general, IMO. This series the goalie did not bail him and the team out.

                The playoffs is when coaches matter. I put Trotz in the same category as AV, where they have nice records but get schooled when it counts. I put AV ahead of Trotz.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                According to Hockey Reference, I have AV at 525 wins over that period, and Q at 519. My math could be wrong though. Either way, it’s close. AV is either number one or two.

                If you are measuring success solely on championships, then I can’t argue with you. But that’s not the only measuring stick. If it is, then we need to put a stop to this Jean Ratelle jersey retirement nonsense right away. I mean, he won ZERO championships and he certainly had way more talent around him as a Ranger player than AV has ever had as a Rangers coach.

                By your logic then, the number 19 we should really honor next month is not Ratelle, but Nick Kypreos, right? I mean, Kypreos has his name on the Cup, unlike that “underachiever” Ratelle.

                In fact, we need to clear the Garden rafters of all those losers….Gilbert, Howell, Giacomin, Bathgate (didn’t win with the Rangers). Let’s replace Gilbert with Matteau, Howell with Beukeboom, Giacomin with Glenn Healy (just for kicks!), and Bathgate with Kovalev! We want REAL winners to be honored….not those bridesmaid types.

                I participated in a letter writing campaign to help get Ratelle up there, so I’m sure we can do the same here. You and me MC…let’s call it…Operation: Cleanse the Rafters!!!!!! 🙂

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Coach Q in St. Louis and Colorado was not a Cup worthy coach, despite having very talented teams in both cities. Then miraculously, he goes to a team loaded with future HOFers and he becomes “Cup worthy” all of a sudden?

                Conversely, once you win a Cup, does it make you “Cup-worthy” again? What has Torts done for example since winning in TB? How did that translate into post-season success in NY, Van and so far in CBJ? It hasn’t. He’s been painfully mediocre in that regard.

                Mike Keenan wasn’t Cup worthy for years in Philly and Chicago. Until he was in NY. Until he wasn’t ever again.

                You act like winning a championship is some existential experience, like a person climbing some Tibetian mountain and being blessed with a wisdom that makes them invulnerable to defeat going forward. Most every NHL coach in this day and age is “Cup worthy”….with the right players. Having never won one doesn’t mean you won’t, just like winning one or more doesn’t guarantee you will even come close ever again.

                To say AV was schooled by Cooper in 2015 is just absurd. You diminish the injuries as if they were nothing. Virtually the entire defense was crippled, and no Zuc. It was a miracle they got as far as they did. Not to mention the fact that that Tampa team was LOADED with high end talent, the likes of which we simply did not have. Even healthy, TB would have been a handful for the Rangers.

                2016…..team was not good enough. We got out-GMed…not outcoached. The Pens were unstoppable.

                2017….again, you are putting WAY too much blame on the coach. Three DIFFERENT deployments at the end…all failed. And our total no show stars were a disgrace last year. The team was the team….it was the players who blew it far more than any deployment nonsense.

                So basically what you are saying is…Rangers win in playoffs….goalie bails our the coach. Rangers lose in playoffs…all on the non-Cup worthy coach. What are you missing here? But if Hank has been superhuman for just one more round in 2014, then it’s no longer about Hank but it’s now about the fact that AV was “Cup-worthy”? Got it.

                Think about it. The fact that you NEVER mention the rest of the Rangers players at all in either extreme is telling. Why? Because THEY are the ones who have proven to be non-Cup worthy far more than our coach.

              • Mancunian Candidate says:

                3E—don’t put words in my mouth, my statement was simple fact. AV’s had kicks at the can, in terms of the Cup—but he hasn’t won anything in comparison to guys like Sutter, Quenneville, or Sullivan. Vigneault is probably smarter than each guy, definitely a snappier dresser, but they’re ahead of him on the NHL success chart. And in fact I think Vigneault is truly in the top 3 coaches NYR has ever had. But any coach in any sport has an expiration date, and Vigneault’s awful showing in last year’s playoffs earned him a ticket out of town in my opinion.

              • Richter1994 says:

                That’s not true at all about not calling out the players in the playoffs, I do it all the time.

                I would have less problem with the coach if he did all he could and they still lost. But he doesn’t. His insistence on leaning on players he shouldn’t is his biggest downfall.

                Again, if decisions between players is 50/50 then you can’t argue. But supporting completely over matched players simply because they’re vets is a sure recipe for failure. And commits that crime over and over again.

                Holden is awful with Staal but better with McD. It’s not Holden, it’s McD. DeAngelo got McD when he was not his best and got demoted for it.

                Shatty was awful with Skjei but better with Smith. Simple, it’s taking the “skills” of both players and meshing them together to maximize both their own skillsets. Shatty and Skjei offset each other in a bad way. Shatty and Smith complement each other. They won’t be perfect but that is certainly a better pairing.

                What gets a young player demoted gets a vet moved up in the line up. I get the “learning” curve stuff but a vet should know better, no?

                Just because the roster is less than Cup worthy doesn’t absolve the coach of putting them in the best position to succeed as possible. That’s his job.

                He’s been better lately but having Holden on the top pair and Buch on the 4th line is laughable to say the least. That’s not putting McD, Holden, and Buch in the best position to succeed to their respective fullest potential.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                MC…

                First of all, I’m just having a little fun with you here. But there’s also a truth to what I’m saying, is there not? Why should we celebrate a Rangers player who never won but denigrate a Rangers coach with a comparable career arc? That’s my only point.

                I made this point to Richter. Don’t rosters matter? The Rangers teams that AV has had pale in comparison to what Q and Sully had to work with. It’s not even close. Indeed, in Pittsburgh, the thing that changed was Rutherford, who reminded all of us that the most important person in a hockey organization is the GM. His moves were brilliant. What did he think of Sully? Well, he liked him enough to bring him into the organization once Shero hired away Hynes. But he didn’t like him enough to make him the head coach immediately, right? Rutherford believed Mike Johnston was the right guy going into that SC season. The only reason Sully got a chance was because the team struggled, AND because he happened to be in the organization. If Hynes had not been hired away, almost certainly he would have been the replacement and it would have been him with his name on that Cup. So no, I don’t look at Sully as any coaching genius here. That roster was LOADED.

                Same for Q. Great coach. Couldn’t get it done with excellent rosters elsewhere. Comes to Chicago and has a dream roster to work with. Did Q suddenly get brilliant when he moved to Chicago?

                Sutter I feel did the best job of all of these guys, relative to the talent. Still, I think most evaluators would take the Kings roster all day any day over the Rangers.

                I agree that last Spring was clearly not AV’s highlight moment as coach, but I still place 90% of the blame on he pitiful no show performances of our “stars”.

                But where I absolutely agree with you is that every coach has an expiration date. As I said many times, I would not have re-signed AV when Gorton did last year. But once that happened, the message was sent loud and clear—Gorton and Sather believe AV is the right guy for this task for the foreseeable future.

                I’m not a big fan of change for change sake. Show me an opportunity to upgrade at the head coach position, and I would be 100% in favor of it. Same for the GM position (which is where we have truly been “schooled” the last few years at least in the short term),and any player on the roster. I’m all about upgrades. If after the season, a Coach Q became available, I think the Rangers would be crazy NOT to go after him. But just fire AV “just because” and hope the next guy is better? Bad idea and I doubt the Rangers would do that, unless this team flames out epically.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                My proof reading was not quick enough and I don’t think I clearly stated what I meant. I didn’t mean to imply that you never call out the players. You definitely do. What I inartfully attempted to say was that there tends to be a narrrative out here that suggests, if not outright states, that when the Rangers win in the playoffs, it is because of Hank “bailing” AV out, and when they lose in the playoffs, it’s all about AV. What I find interesting is that that dichotomy demonstrates the way many of us look at this team..which is 1) Hank is the lone star, and 2) AV is either a deterrent to success or a reason for success, depending on one’s position. But rarely do the rest of the players enter into the discussion one way or another. So the point I was attempting to make is—these players have not been and are largely not now “Cup worthy”, and as a result, it’s hard to find huge fault with the coach for their failure to win (that’s where we disagree), and, where we both agree, it’s hard not to admire what Hank has been able to do backstopping a flawed non-descript roster all these years.

                Your other points are certainly more than reasonable. But again, I would simply suggest you google other coaches and see what the blogosphere says about them. You will see many of the same complaints. Coaches are always subject to significant second guessing. I don’t believe AV’s decisions are any more or less questionable than anyone else’s.

              • RichS says:

                Happy New Year 3E
                I am late to this party and AV gets his credit as a successful regular season coach ….but the problem with his playoff losses is that at least twice in vancouver his team was favored to win the cup. His vancouver teams had enough talent to be favored twice and his teams had 49 or more wins 5 times which to me means they had plenty of talent to win…..but until he does his legacy says ”’Underacheiver”’

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Happy New Year Rich!

                You make a more than fair point in Vancouver. But what I don’t get is, why is AV the sole “underachiever” in that scenario? Gillis more significantly underachieved by doing a lousy job keeping the pipeline flowing with young talent. The players epically underachieved by not coming through. Coaches get WAY too much blame and credit.

                But sure, it’s part of his legacy, no question. Just like it was for Keenan and Q. You can’t win the big one….until or unless you do.

          • Egelstein says:

            When even the most brown-nosed beats are mentioning it, you know it’s a problem.

            It is the few of you who will defend AV at nearly every turn that are coming up with narratives not rooted in fact to justify 14 minute fourth line Buchnevich. He doesn’t look physically over-matched in most scenarios except against the large and physical forwards who give basically the entire NHL problems. He makes far less mental mistakes than some vets on the roster, so the “still learning” aspect would appear to be quite overblown (If AV really wants to focus on that, Mental Lapse Machine Nick Holden should not be on the top D pair, for example). It seems that he gets to the right spot at the right time at a higher clip than several of the other forwards. His ceiling is arguably the highest of any current Rangers forward in the system.

            As for your last statement, I don’t know how you meant it, but it seems to me you are damning your own point pretty hard there. Virtually no young player has gone from being under AV from day one to hitting their ceiling that scouts and talent evaluators assign to them. That’s kind of the point.

            AV started coaching VAN in 06-07. The Sedins were almost already to their peak phase when AV took over in Vancouver. I’m sure he gave them some polishing development and they appreciated it, they also probably liked him well enough as a person to give him some kind words there…but they just aren’t comparable to the players that AV is known for messing with, because AV didn’t have them when they were that raw and “inexperienced” (in terms of NHL minutes, anyway). Other coaches took them through those phases, in Modo and Vancouver, before AV inherited the nearly-polished products that just needed some extra shine to put them up to their ceilings. Funny, he can’t seem to achieve that with our players in that general category, though. I don’t recall any of AVs MTL players rising to soaring stardom, although I am less familiar with that team and he didn’t coach there as long.

            NHL players rarely say anything but good things in the press about their coaches while they are still playing and/or the coach is in the game. “Pavel, how much has Alain Vigneault done to encourage your growth?” Guarantee you that does not ever get a negative reply, even if he is red-hot pissed about his minutes. He’s never gonna say “Eh; not much. My Russian coaches taught me how to play.”, even if that is 1,000% how he feels.

            Some of those players that AV has dog-housed/benched/demoted at times when it doesn’t seem to make great hockey sense for the on-ice product turn out okay, like Miller and Hayes…but still don’t quite match what many scouts and talent evaluators believed their ceilings could have been. Crazy idea here, but maybe that’s their natural talent shining through a bit, not some wizardry via AV’s coaching? Just throwing that out there.

            Some of those like Jensen never are the same and now can’t even stick in the NHL despite having been expected to be much more as highly touted prospects. Some who were good enough to be 1st, 2nd,3rd rounders got quick looks from AV and were never heard of again. Etc. That kind of is the point. Not many out there that AV truly raised to be great players. Three different organizations. I think that speaks a lot louder than plucking out some canned phrases from players who had an established game when he inherited them, and would never badmouth a coach in the first place.

            As for wins over a certain period…little secret here: AV has had large stretches of rosters with great depth and enough firepower, and great goalkeeping, in VAN and NY. That tends to make for a nice W-L record. Give him a medicore team, and you get his MTL stint. He’s not a terrible coach. He’s a decent coach. He has some severe flaws though, also, and what’s most frustrating is they could be very-easily mitigated if not downright eliminated.

            Buch is being underutilized. It’s just fact. Not the first under AV, probably won’t be the last. You don’t need a top 6 skill set player on your fourth line to be able to roll four quality lines. There’s just no hockey-related excuse for it. It is simply AV being AV and bringing a young player along very, extremely, and quite-arguably counter-productively slowly.

  3. Richter1994 says:

    I will be shocked if BOTH are not on the roster next year.

    Good to see they are dominating at this level.

  4. Ray says:

    This indicates that JG is on the right track – sacrificing the present to a certain extent for the future. The question now is can he hold the line at the trade deadline and not yield to the Ranger fans who would give anything for a second line center now to compete this year.

    • Bloomer says:

      In his image Steve Yzerman build the Tampa Bay lightning. I haven’t seen a team with this much firepower in a very longtme. Yes the season is only half over but I can’t see any team taking them in the playoffs. So ya Ray maybe the Rangers should punt at the trade deadline.

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        Maybe every team in the East should. I mean, why even try? Number one seeds never get upset in the Stanley Cup Playoffs right? 🙂

  5. Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

    Interesting take on Chytil…..

    “Corey Pronman wrote on Saturday that many scouts at the tournament are fans of Chytil but there are some questions around “how elite” his skill level is. (The Athletic)

    “Pronman also spoke with a scout that said that if Chytil continues to get ‘banged up’ as much as he has in the last month he won’t survive through a full season.”

    Hate to throw cold water on the Chytil love fest, but I suspect the kid has a long way to go before he is truly NHL ready.

    • Walt says:

      the kid is only 18 years of age, will fill out that frame, and be a force………….

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        Yes….yes….and maybe.

        I agree Walt, it is too early to say for sure. But the point I was trying to make is that first off, everyone was killing AV for not giving him a chance, when it appears the scouts don’t think he’s NHL ready. And, everyone is assuming that automatically, both he and Andersson will be locks for the lineup next year. As you said, he’s only 18. It could take him a few years before he figures it out.

        In terms of what he will be…all I can say is, I hope you are right. May the Force be with him! 🙂

        • Richter1994 says:

          Name the last Ranger prospect (that is not a goalie) that you’ve seen that has either as much or more pure skill than Chytil.

          Is it fair to say Kovalev? Cherapanov (RIP) would have been.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Agree….can’t think of one. But is that more credit to Chytil or does he just look great when compared to other past “saviors”?

            I’m just always VERY cautiously optimistic (at best) when it comes to suspects…..I mean prospects. 🙂

            • Richter1994 says:

              I think it’s both. Chytil does have the skill but also speaks to the Rangers’ drafting incompetency.

              You can’t teach skill but you can teach skilled players how to play the game, for the most part.

              I think it was evident that Chytil has skill, more evident than any Ranger prospect that I can remember for a very long time.

              For example, Miller is a nice player but he is no where close to the skill level of Chytil. It’s in the hands, especially around the net.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                From what I’ve seen, I agree 100%. I’m just being a smart ass when it comes to the “future”. 🙂

              • Richter1994 says:

                Oh, I’m not guaranteeing anything but it does appear like the kid is a keeper based on what we have seen so far.

                Can you see a C rotation of Zib, Chytil, Hayes, and Andersson?

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Oh yeah!

                The question is….is it realistic that happens next year? Chytil and Andersson are still VERY young. I’m thinking conservatively two seasons…right around the time The King starts to give way to the The Kaiser (Shesterkin).

  6. Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

    Some perspective on the Rangers and whether they are contenders or pretenders.

    Check out this article from USA TODAY:

    Rangers’ contender window hasn’t closed yet

    https://usat.ly/2CrA8sl

    • Richter1994 says:

      If Lundqvist plays like he did in Oct then they are pretenders.

      If Lundqvist plays like he is now then they are contenders.

      It’s that simple.

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        Yes and yes…happy New Year!

        • Richter1994 says:

          Happy and Healthy New Year bro. I really enjoy our back and forths.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Right back at ya my friend!

            And Happy New Year to all on BSB!

            • Richter1994 says:

              You just need to see the light, LOL. 🙂

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                I’m stubborn. Give me time. I was almost there in October right? 🙂

              • Richter1994 says:

                I’m stubborn too, lol

                But let me ask you, can’t a bad team with a bad roster have a good coach?

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Sure. But what does that have to do with the Rangers? They are not a bad team with a bad roster. They are a good but not great team with a good but not great roster with a very good if not great coach who’s a borderline future HOFer. They are the mid-90 points borderline playoff team most everyone thought they would be. No surprises.

                As I said, I’m all in favor of upgrades anywhere. GM, coach, players. I have no loyalty in that regard. But the operative word is “upgrade”—not change for change sake. That rarely works and should not be done except under the most extreme circumstances, as we have just seen across the river in Meadowlands Swamp.

                I’m not aware of a better coach that’s available. (McAdoo could be had on the cheap short term I suspect!). This summer, following a Hawks flame out, Coach Q? Perhaps.

              • Richter1994 says:

                The point is if a bad team can have a good coach then a good team can have a bad coach. Not saying AV is a bad coach but he doesn’t get the most he can from his roster, as flawed as it is.

                To me, the definition of a good coach is one that uses his roster to the fullest and he/she gets their players to play hard almost all of the time.

                You can “win” regular season games and under achieve. It depends upon one’s definition of “success.”

                Hockey is tough to win a championship. There are so many more factors involved than any other sport IMO, no question.

                Buch is the highest (or close) point producer per 60 on the team. What is it that you want from him? Of course he’s “disappeared” lately, he’s playing with less than top 6 players he should be playing with. Who’s fault is that? Even when he was playing with Zib and Kreider he was getting ridiculously low minutes 5 on 5. Why?

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                You could look at it that way. But I think most NHL observers would disagree. You can make the opposite case as well…that with a flawed roster he keeps finding ways to make the playoffs and get 100+ points per season—hard to do year after year the way he has. That screams to me that he is more than getting the most out of a flawed roster.

                As for Buch, the answer is simple….Because he’s still learning, you are at the moment overrating him, and he’s hardly distinguished himself in any phase of the game short of the PP..and even lately, that’s not happening either.

                You seem to believe young players should play regardless, even if it costs the team points. I strongly believe that young players should EARN more time. Has he been scratched this season? He gets plenty of ice time with ample opportunity to shine. And he has been largely invisible the past month or so…and the team has one of the best records in the league using him that way.

                Says to me…coach is doing the right things here and our underachieving would be Star needs to produce in the minutes he is getting if he wants more time and higher line status.

              • Richter1994 says:

                How am I overrating Buch? He’s tied for 2nd in Ranger scoring playing a lot less minutes than the other top 2 scorers on the team.

                Where is the overrating? What is it that you want from an offensive player like him?

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Take a deeper dive into the numbers. Much of that came early on and much of it came on the PP. 5v5 and especially recently, he’s been pretty ordinary at best.

                I have no problem with this. To win, we need our best players to lift their games—especially come playoff time. We need much more from Buch if we are going to go anywhere. Let him prove he warrants more time. He’s on the ice 12-15 min per game. He has every opportunity to shine. Talk is over. Go do. That would be my message. More than reasonable.

  7. Peter says:

    Chytil on just turned 18. He is still growing and will bulk up with time. He might not be ready next year, but I don’t believe the cold water is going to dampen the enthusiasm for the kid. He eon’t Get banged up as much as he gets stronger.

    Andersson is a thicker kid who already has some muscle. I suspect that he might show up in the NHL before Chytil, by about a year. Hey, he has good hands and is pretty bright. He is going to be a very good pkayer.

    • Bloomer says:

      Andersson opens the scoring against the young Ruskies. 1 0 Sweden. Btw the Russian coach doesn’t believe in jiggling his lineup.

      • Bloomer says:

        After getting burned on a poor line change… the Swedish captain takes a dumb high sticking penalty to nullify the P.P…Russian defensive break down results in a Swedish goal on the 4 on 4

  8. Richter1994 says:

    Uh oh, Andersson crushed into the boards and suffers a shoulder injury.

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      Do we know anything more about his injury? Will he be able to play in the rest of the tournament?

      I was at a New Year’s Eve party last night with a bunch of hockey fans. Big college hockey guys. They were blown away that I record every game involving Chytil and Andersson in this tournament. One guy even yelled to his wife, “Look honey, here’s a guy who’s even crazier than I am!” 🙂

      • Richter1994 says:

        He was out of OT and the SO in the game. Jan Levine reported it and showed the video of the hit. No update as of yet.

  9. Richter1994 says:

    Happy and Healthy New Year to all.

    God Bless our military and first responders. Please keep them safe.

    • upstatetom says:

      right on !!!!! don’t forget law enforcement !!!! they just don’t get enough credit for keeping us safe.

      • Richter1994 says:

        yep, I include them in the “first responder” category. I figure that includes law enforcement, fire people, and EMT.