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Chris Kreider is pretty good

October 31, 2017, by

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Over the past few seasons, there has been a very vocal –albeit small– group of folks that is adamant about getting rid of Chris Kreider. I see the logic, even if I don’t necessarily agree with it. Kreider is an animal, his combination of speed, strength, and skill is rare, and folks expect an elite level of output. There is also a level of inconsistency to his scoring, and he’s prone to the offensive zone penalty every now and then.

I don’t really know what expectations people have regarding Kreider’s output. He’s increased his scoring in every season since his rookie year, is a consistent 20-goal guy, put up 28 goals last year, and should hit 30 a few times over his career. He’s just 26 years old and is on a solid deal for a guy with his production and skill set. He’s also a matchup nightmare for teams, as there are few defensemen who can out skate and/or out muscle Kreider. He’s a beast.

To put Kreider’s production, which has increased every year, into focus for a second, he put up 28 goals and 53 points last season. To put that into perspective, only 41 wingers broke the 50 point mark last year. He was tied for 19th in the league (wingers only) with 28 goals.

If you are of the belief that 60 points is the cutoff for a top line winger, then know that only 17 wingers hit the 60 point mark last year. Perhaps, the issue is expectations based on arbitrary numbers instead of actual production across the league.

With the recent rumors surrounding Montreal, folks really want to deal Kreider. Larry Brooks casually mentioned Andrew Shaw. Let’s be clear here: Kreider for Shaw is a major step backwards and a mistake. It’s not even close. Kreider produces at a first line rate of production, even if he isn’t at elite production. Shaw is a middle-six guy.

Folks also mentioned Kreider for Galchenyuk. The offense is certainly comparable. However Kreider has significantly better shot suppression numbers. From a matchup perspective, this means Galchenyuk would need to be sheltered, whereas Kreider does not. That said, the thought of Kreider in Montreal is funny with the whole Carey Price thing. Might be worth it to see Habs fans burn the place to the ground.

Kreider’s flaw is that his tools don’t match fans’ expectations. That’s of no fault of his own. Kreider is a solid first line winger that most teams would kill to have on their club. Every player who isn’t an elite talent goes through stretches of inconsistency. Every. Single. One.

Comparing Kreider to the horrendous Rangers, he’s second on the team in relative xGF% (5.86) and xGF% (54.47%). He’s behind Pavel Buchnevich in both categories. Yes – fourth linerTM Buchnevich has been the single best Ranger in terms of overall play and generating offense. But I digress. Kreider has been a top-two forward for the Rangers since the start of the season.

Kreider is near the top of my list of “untouchables” on the Rangers roster. He’s not untouchable by any sense, as the Rangers can get a big haul for him if they decide to tear it all down. But that haul needs to be worth it (note: Better than the returns for Carl Hagelin and Derek Stepan). Kreider is one of the few bright spots on a team that can’t seem to get their collective acts together. He’s nearly impossible to replace.

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33 comments

  1. Agentsmith says:

    Well said dave. I don’t think any conclusions here are debatable. (That’s coming from someone who isn’t a yandle and zuc fan, and hated the hagelin deal off the bat. )

  2. Rangers Rock says:

    I concur! Get rid of anyone else except Kreider. We have a lot of sabotage fans that want to sabotage the team and this is a great way of doing it.

  3. tanto says:

    Kreider should bring back much more, IF we were to move him (which I think would be a mistake). I don’t think you fix this Ranger team with a 1 for 1 trade of forwards, I think the bigger issue is on the back end “pairings”.

  4. Joe Cafaro says:

    This team is devoid of any tough guys. He’s one. Zuc is the other. Last night watched Bruins simply bully Columbus. Even in today’s refined NHL— heart , grit, edge and energy matters. Dump Kreider and I’m done with this team.

  5. Johnny Red says:

    When you see what Kreider is capable of when he FEELS LIKE playing, how are you not angry at him? He has all the tools to be the best power forward in the game, and he doesn’t show up many nights. He has had 5 years to put it all together and hasn’t. Bobby Orr says this about hockey players: If you are a 4th line player be the best 4th line player every night. If you are a 1st line player, be the best 1st line player every night. I agree with him 100%.

    How does a player with all that talent disappear for games and games? I believe he doesn’t have it between the ears. He is not a mentally tough player. I have been saying this for 2 years now. It is time to move him while he still has the value. He is what he is and we need to except that.

    • Reenavipul says:

      What’s it like being wrong for 2 years?

      • Johnny Red says:

        Oh yea your right he was so great in the playoffs right? He shows up every night right? I’m so wrong that the radio stations in Canada think Montreal would be nuts to do that trade. I base my decisions on how a player performs and although he has shown some improvement he in no way has lived up to what he can be. A true great player doesn’t take 5-6 years in the NHL to become a top player. Why is it Zucc who is only 5’7 plays harder then he does? By the way if I’m wrong then so are all the hockey experts who agree with me ie: Greig Button, Mckensey, Dreiger etc.

        • Agentsmith says:

          Inconsistent playoffs is a horrible excuse to trade for otherwise worse talent

      • Johnny Red says:

        I have no problem in being wrong in my opinions, nothing would make me happier then to be wrong about Kreider. I would love to see him be the power forward everyone says he should be. But I doubt it. Time will tell who’s right and who’s wrong. All I know is I’m tired of him leaving me wondering why he doesn’t live up to his potential year after year.

        • John B says:

          30 players in the entire NHL scored more goals than Chris Kreider. 30. Eight of them would be generational talents you’d expect: Tavares, Crosby, McDavid, Ovechkin, Malkin, Matthews, Patrick Kane, Taresenko, Three more: Kucherov, Lanine and Panarin are right there with the other 8. So just about half the people who did better than him are considered generational type talents.

          Chris Kreider is NOT a generational talent. 25+ goals in this NHL is now considered top tier production. It’s not 1980 anymore, the days of 50-60 goals for a person are over.

          Consistent 25+ goals, what more do people really want from this guy? A hallmark card at the holidays?

    • Chris F says:

      There’s not a player in the League who you couldn’t label with the “inconsistent” tag.

      Every player hit good and bad stretches, and has on and off nights. No player shows up and executes 82 games a year.

    • SalMerc says:

      Yup

    • SalMerc says:

      Good player but you are correct (headcase).

  6. Joe says:

    Agreed! Kreider should be 1 of the last traded players on this team… I would take Shaw but not for Kreider. Can the coach 1st, see if the next coach can bring out the best in him..let him play and not to be afraid to make a mistake like (Torts,AV) do, if not then I say yes trade him…. Speaking of coaches, outside the box coach.. how about Sheldon Keefe he’s young, analytical, and uses his young players, and trusts his youngsters.
    I know a lot of people won’t like this, but I’m tired of the usual retreads. (Ruff,Blysma etc)

  7. Hatrick Swayze says:

    My top 3 ‘untouchable’ forwards from a year ago were Buch, Kreider and Zib- with Hayes and Miller rounding out the top 5. And they remain the same still (aside from Chytil working his way into the mix).

  8. Blue Seat says:

    Galchenyuk sounds like a project, bringing Kreider into the discussion makes no sense. There is three defenseman in Hartford, pick one whose name is not Graves, and package him. Without a number one pick.

  9. Peter says:

    Agreed Dave that Kreider is a keeper. No he will never be Mario Lemieux, but he is pretty darn good. You’d have to get quite a haul to justify trading Kreider. Hayes and Miller and maybe Buchnevich too. You build around those guys unless you are going to blow the whole thing up and trade them for first rounders and 18 year-olds. I doubt that scenario, so talking about trading Kreider for a center is a bad idea in my book.

  10. George Spafford says:

    He’s not the only guy on this team who’s tools do not match expectation. Trade Nash and deangelo for Galch and a pick

  11. Ryne says:

    I was very high on Kreider.Until I realized he would be invisible for games. Ive sat & wondered why Kreider wasnt dressed that night only to see him get a shot off & realize ‘oh, there he is.’
    With his “tools” that’s unacceptable. Showing up for 20 minutes in an elimination game is unacceptable.
    A trade isn’t a priority but he certainly is tradeable. Kovalev was traded so Kreider can be too.

    • John B says:

      Uh, he wasn’t the only one. But you know what else is unacceptable about that game:

      -Pavel Buchnevich scratched for Tanner Glass in an elimination game.
      -Jimmy Vesey playing top-6 and top-9 minutes, when his skill set is better suited to be a 4th line wing.
      -Marc Staal/Nick Holden deployed together at all.
      -JT Miller with 1, count them 1, shot on goal and 3 shot attempts
      -Kevin Hayes with 2, count them 2, shots on goal and 5 shot attempts.
      -Did I mention that Tanner Glass was even dressed in an elimination playoff game over Pavel Buchnevich?

  12. pas44 says:

    NICE PIECE DAVE! Excellent timing too!

  13. SalMerc says:

    Kreider’s shot suppression is a reflection of his line, not his own ability.

  14. SalMerc says:

    Ok, let me et this straight.
    No one on this LAST PLACE TEAM is trade-able, except for guys who make way too much money or are not on our top 2 lines or are expendable like the 7th or 8th defenseman or on our 3rd line (maybe) or our 4th line.

    I think this leaves Zucc, McD, Deshardais, Shatty, Smith and Fast

    This about right?

    • Peter says:

      No. I’d say everyone is tradeable, including The King, for the right price and if it makes the team better in the long run. So last place means nothing in the big picture if to fix that you ensure mediocrity for a couple of seasons thereafter.

      Kreider Miller Hayes Zibanejad Buchnevich are young and talented players who are hard to replace and who can be a core that the team can add to in order to become better. I would add Skjei too. I’d add people to the team who are also young and talented.

      I don’t care about where they end up in the standings this season. If they are going to be mediocre this season, so be it. What I dread is the panic move to ‘save’ this season that then hurts down the road.

    • bernmeister says:

      yes, but a club can eat up to 50% on as many as 3 dif player’s contracts.
      If you retain, you can also move Nash.

  15. James Carr says:

    Chris Krieder doesn’t play hard every night. If he did, he could score 40, but he doesn’t, so his potential is capped.

    • bernmeister says:

      He plays hard every night.
      Not immune to mental errors every night, but he plays hard.
      I don’t begrudge the occasional coast on the occasional shift, which is the great exception, not the rule. I remember Steinbrenner breaking Winfield’s chops ’cause he hit a grounder, and ran it out, but not at bust a gut top speed. So Winfield did, and shortly thereafter pulled a hamstring, The loss in production from that was far more severe that the less than 1 in 100 chance some guy makes first base anyway due to an errant throw.

      It does not help anyone that AV is an idiot and overly mixes up lines. Even if guys have a natural proclivity on offense, they have to be heads up on defense, and this does NOT help. Again, this is AV, not any given player, including Kreider.

      Finally, it is established that Kreider and Zib are dominant together. We should play them as bookend, LW and RW, unless we get MacKinnon. We should use a pivot who will get max results of allowing the whole line to dominate, which in this case would be JT Miller. Such talented linemates for almost every shift with an end to constant mix and match would make a big difference.

      Also CK is a thoroughbred speedster, but we often have to play him in front of the net [where he gets banged up excessively] b’c he is the only guy who on raw talent, can not be forced by anybody from in front of the crease. He should only do a proportional turn there, and be allowed to use his speed throughout the ice. Other Fs need to toughen up.

      Let Kreider be Kreider.
      Do not trade him for fair or nominal profit, clear massive overpay only.

  16. 43 says:

    If they trade him, I’m gonna pretty butt hurt.

  17. Richter1994 says:

    Chris Kreider is pretty good

    when he wants to be.