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Kids shine as Rangers dominate Yotes

October 27, 2017, by

Boo Nieves had three assists and Pavel Buchnevich had a pair of goals in the Rangers big win over the Arizona Coyotes last night. It seems odd to call a win in October over a winless team a “big” win, but the Rangers desperately needed points, and they got them. It was against the Yotes, so it’s not exactly a turnaround game, but it’s a start.

The Rangers didn’t play down to their competition. That’s perhaps the big thing. Having 12F/6D instead of whatever Alain Vigneault was doing before also helped. They weren’t perfect. But I was optimistic after the win against Nashville. Maybe I should be optimistic after this one. Maybe. Just maybe. They figured stuff out.

On to the goals:

Rangers 1, Yotes 0

Chris Kreider and Mika Zibanejad team up to force Derek Stepan into the turnover in the neutral zone. Zibanejad got it to Mats Zuccarello, who made a great pass to Kreider for the easy finish.

Rangers 2, Yotes 0

This is a shot a goalie needs to stop. But it’s Pavel Buchnevich, so yay!

Rangers 2, Yotes 1

Bad giveaway by Kevin Shattenkirk, Leads to a pair of Royal Road passes, with Anthony Duclair finishing. Just not a good look by Shatty there.

Rangers 3, Yotes 1

Boo Nieves fought off a pair of defenders and then one-handed a backhand pass to Michael Grabner alone in front. Grabner deked around Hill for the goal.

Rangers 4, Yotes 1

Nieves got his third assist on this goal. What a debut. Hill misplayed the puck badly, and gave the puck to Nieves. Nieves to Buch, who missed wide, but got his own rebound and tucked it in.

Rangers 4, Yotes 2

Clayton Keller sure is good. On the powerplay, Keller tried a cross ice pass that Nick Holden blocked (good play, by the way), but it went right back to Keller as Ondrej Pavelec was moving for the pass. Keller put the puck in the empty net.

Rangesr 5, Yotes 2

Grabner empty netter.

Score Adjusted Corsi

The Rangers throughly controlled this game. It’s nice to see good process, but remember it’s the winless Coyotes. Grain of salt. But something to build on.

Scoring Chances (not score adjusted)

Making a stipulation here that these scoring chance charts are not score adjusted. Again the Rangers controlled, but not as much. They really clamped down defensively on quality chances after the first period.

Shift Chart

Here’s the shift chart. Nothing crazy to point out here. Weird to see normal shifts after what felt like a lifetime of 11F/7D deployments. It’s kind of refreshing.

The Rangers got a much needed two points last night, but it was against a Coyotes team that is on pace for 8 points this season. Perhaps this is something they can build on. It was good process and good results. The Rangers need another two points over the weekend to stay relevant. Build on it. I’m optimistic.

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107 comments

  1. Spozo says:

    A win is a win and at this point confidence is the biggest thing they can take away from the game.

  2. James Carr says:

    Maybe they found a guy to fill in the Oscar Lindberg role

    • Mintgecko says:

      I’m a Boo fan and during all last summer I felt he could fulfil that 4c checking role spot. The 2016-17 sample size impressed me enough to want to root for him but I’m going have to see him against tougher opponents this time around and not against a team like they played last night. He was making alot of soft plays in his own end all game long but with that said I hope he really earns a full time position and staples himself as a good 2nd option for the pk.

    • Richter1994 says:

      Not for nothing but an NHL goalie wold have kept Boo off the score sheet so let’s not get too excited just yet.

  3. SalMerc says:

    AV was superb, wasn’t he?

    • SalMerc says:

      Just kidding, but I have seen bantam teams with more quality players than the Yotes.

      • Mintgecko says:

        What do you expect? They have no identity, leadership or 1c and when Rannta gets back then they’ll find out how he’s not a starting goalie. I’ve said it before that the GM will have to either make a more for a solid backup or trade for a legit 1c.

  4. flatbush says:

    after watching Step play it validates why we dumped him and his overpaid salary.

    • Walt says:

      All-star performance, no goals, no assists, -2 for the night.

      That for a guy making $6.5 mil, NMC, can’t skate, won’t hit anything, oh how much we really miss him!

      I wish him well in the desert, let’s see his leadership skills displayed with those kids!!!!!!!

      • Mancunian Candidate says:

        Wow, your bitterness towards Stepan is as tiresome as it is unjustifiable. You do realize the Rangers right now are barely better than the team they beat last night, right? And if Stepan ain’t worth his salary, what in the hell does that make Rick Nash? The $8 million man, whose entire offensive production this season was TRIPLED by a rookie in his first game this year? Save your scorn for those who are actual Rangers.

        • Walt says:

          I’ll stop when the Stepan supporters stop telling me how wonderful Cindy was……….As for Nash, he’ll be gone soon enough.

        • sherrane says:

          “…the Rangers right now are barely better than the team they beat last night, right?”

          What game did you watch last night? Every team in the NHL has at least 3 wins except Montreal (2 wins) and Arizona who is still looking for their first win. The Rangers have struggled, but they dominated the worst team in the league last night.

          • Stevesse says:

            Really? Their goalie gives up a softee to Buch and a terrible clearing that led to his second one and now he’s
            An all star? This is a 2-2 game without those minor league plays and you can bet Raanta wouldn’t have done that. Rangers aren’t that much better.

            • sherrane says:

              Interesting. No doubt Buchnevich’s first goal should have been stopped, but isn’t poor goaltending included in being a poor team? The Rangers give up a bad goal to Duclair (we did it too!) and respond by scoring two goals, one of which was within a minute. I also believe the Rangers would have played a lot harder in the 3rd if they weren’t coasting to a win. In other words, I don’t believe the fallacy most sports fans do that you can change one thing (Buchnevich’s first) and the rest of the game continues exactly the same.

      • SalMerc says:

        Look Stepan was an albatross that needed to be cut loose. We were lucky to find a fool to take him. Raanta was the gold chip in that deal. He past his prime 2 years ago.

        You would think he could do SOMETHING on that team, but he is showing his value every night in the score sheet.

        • Mancunian Candidate says:

          The fact that the Rangers are giving up more goals this year while scoring less without Stepan’s solid two-way game in the lineup really highlights the inaccuracy of your opinion.

          But you give Rick Nash a pass for 1 goal/0 assists in 11 games? Informed fandom on your part, all the way.

          • SalMerc says:

            Your retorts are so typical, and useless I might add.

            • Mancunian Candidate says:

              Wow, what a skillful response. What’s typical here? Pointing out that Stepan was a good player? You’re the buffoon who called Antti Raanta “the gold chip” of this trade. You know, the same Raanta who’s never even made more than 30 starts in an NHL season, the same Raanta who’s already injured & playing worse than Hank.

              • Mintgecko says:

                What’s your deal with trying to make something out of nothing? Stepan is the nothing btw. Yes Raanta was the chip in that trade package on the account that reports have already said that JG has to include him in order to acquire that 7th pick. He sure didn’t get taken like Brassard who was at the age of 29 and brought back a decent establish top 6 center with loads of potential.

              • Mancunian Candidate says:

                I don’t know what my deal is on this, because I can’t understand your post. What’s your deal with all your poorly-written gibberish?

              • SalMerc says:

                Mint
                You cannot talk sense to a fool

              • Mancunian Candidate says:

                Whatever, chump. Wake me up when “gold chip” Raanta plays his 45th game this season for Arizona. Or if he does.

              • Egelstein says:

                Phoenix GM John Chayka after the deal, regarding Derek Stepan: “This organization has been looking for a number one centerman for over a decade, and he’s a guy who can fill that hole, so, I got a chance to make that move and I wasn’t going to miss it.”

                It was also well known that Phoenix had been calling specifically about Stepan for some time prior to the trade actually going down.

                Have you seen what goalies return in trades these days? Surely, you must remember than massive haul we got for Talbot. No GM in their right mind is giving up the seventh pick for a late-20s goalie who has never started for a full season at the NHL level.

                The trade was most certainly not centered on Raanta. To even allege that is absolutely preposterous.

      • Spozo says:

        Thanks for summing up exactly why Stepan was under appreciated here. “All star” performance.

        He’s not an allstar. There are 8 allstar centers in the NHL in any given year. He’s not a top 8 center. He’s a top 30, which by definition is a 1st line center.

        Hey hey, use a single game in October to define a player. Brilliant.

        • Walt says:

          Top 30 center, wow, and at $6.5 mil per year, yeah brilliant on the part of management. As for your brilliant comment, save the sarcasm for someone else you prick…….

          • Spozo says:

            You are one angry grumpy old man

          • Mancunian Candidate says:

            When does Walt get called out by the moderators for his repeated profanity & sexist insults? Just wondering.

            • Mikeyyy says:

              Depends. Do you blame the bear for being a bear or do you blame the kid for poking it with a stick?

              And then does that truly matter? One of you will win the fight on the interwebs.

              Then you can have that feather in your cap.

              🙂

              • Mancunian Candidate says:

                Not looking for any feathers, man–just sick & tired of the hateful stupidity posted daily by alleged fans of this team and this sport. Guys like Hank and Stepan were the backbone of this team for years, and as such deserve a hell of a lot more respect than these bitter haters offer them. Players who play the game the right way should be respected, not hammered by their fanbase.

                For all the complaining about Stepan’s salary, I’d be curious if anyone can show me an example of a #1 NHL center who has passed their ELC/RFA contract years who makes less than $6 million annually.

            • Walt says:

              always looking to be insulted aren’t you??????

              I respond to people who attack, and or make sly remarks directed my way. You don’t care for my posts, don’t read them, so you won’t be insulted….

              • flatbush says:

                Hey Walt, the Step supporters who say he is a # 1 center have low expectations. Furthermore whoever classified him is a 1c because he is in the top 30 has some fractured logic. Each team has a center that is on their first line but that doesn’t mean they are anywhere near the top of an all rounded number 1c. Step had some good assets but he had a lot to be desired. At best he is a good number 2c unless you except mediocrity as your top 1c. end of story. You and I may be put into a grumpy box by those who see and except less than the best . that’s just a fact has nothing to do with hate or grumpiness.

              • Walt says:

                Flatbush

                Some look to be offended, and usually are the most offensive. I expressed the opinion that the guy stinks, others the night before were saying how great he was, so I ran with it to have fun. Obviously, no sense of humor, and so be it. Thanks for the support, us old grumpy old men have to stick together. Here comes another tweak, the key word is men!

          • Dave says:

            Cool it, Walt. It’s the internet.

            • Walt says:

              Dave

              I have had many occasions where E3 and I went back and forth, but never got personal. Spozo has a habit of his bull crap remarks, sarcastic digs at people, that are taken personal. If they are directed at me, I’ll respond accordingly. I’ve said on many occasions that if someone doesn’t care for my posts, don’t read them so you’re not offended.

              Mancunian Candidate likes to pull the same carp, always takes exception to everyone’s post, then plays holier than thou bull crap. Go back and see who the confrontationalist are, both of these guys.

              Enough said!!!!!!!

        • RichS says:

          Agree Mythdoc,
          He has been sub par for how long now?
          Will Pavelec out play him this year as has Raanta and Talbot before him?

      • RichS says:

        Spot on again Walt,
        He is a bottom 6 player AT BEST and his supporters cant face that.!!!
        Without kreider and zucc carrying him, his stats will be abysmal this year.
        Again we should have left him unprotected and protected Lindberg…..what good are deangelo and anderson to this team…..
        and we would still have raanta…..

        • Spozo says:

          He would be 2nd leading scorer on this team right now. And he’s accomplished that without Kreider Zuke.

          But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your argument!

          For the record he would have been 4th last season on the cup winning penguins in points scored.

          But hey, bottom six player. Right……

          • RichS says:

            He got almost half his points in one game, against the stars, and almost half his points on the power play…..a real superstar!!!!!!!
            But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your argument!
            You call him a ”’. He’s a top 30, which by definition is a 1st line center.”’
            WOW!!!!!
            DO you ever watch him play????? He is one of the slowest skaters I have seen in almost 50 years of watching hockey. He may be top 30 in the AHL but I am not sure since I dont watch the AHL.
            Spozo…..for your own good go easy on the sauce when watching the games!!!!!!!!

            • Spozo says:

              So are you rescinding your argument that he only put up a 55 point per year pace because he played with Kreider and Zuke? No mention of it in your response.

              • RichS says:

                1. Last year stepan got 55 points, almost 20 [18] on the power play……..when anyone who watches/knows/understands hockey its easier to score……….
                2. Playing with zucc and kredider absolutely helps him, he never retrieves the puck from the corners…..he stands in the slot and WAITS for them to pass it to him…..
                3. He is slow as Sh***t , doesnt hit and therefor I dont even want him as a 4th liner……He might get 50 points this year playing with domi and keller and on the power play ….he still stinks and his team suffers because of his play! IMHO

              • Spozo says:

                He only has so many points because he’s so good on the PP, which is easier to produce on than even strength yet he still did it better than anyone else on the team = he sucks.

              • Walt says:

                Spozo

                You’re right on the money, he sucks. Now you see it yourself……..

    • Mintgecko says:

      I would like to add that Hayes alone shutdown Stepan’s line. Lucky bounce on the PP against but he was all over those 3 in every zone especially the neutral zone where Stepan’s game is being exposed. Hayes played last night was exactly why GM and AV said his name makes the trade go through to send Stepan packing.

    • Dave says:

      Everyone in this thread needs to chill a bit.

      1) It’s the internet. You all (likely) have not met, nor will meet, in real life.

      2) Stepan isn’t on the team anymore.

      3) Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

      4) Your opinion is not fact.

      5) It’s the freaking internet. Chill.

    • Richter1994 says:

      You can agree that it was the right move to trade him but you also have to acknowledge that Stepan had one of the best pts per game any Ranger had during his time here.

      Even beating out guys like Kopitar and Bergeron. These are facts.

  5. amy says:

    it was nice seeing step last night and the video was good but now this game was a winnable game for us and boo shined now let’s continue this tomorrow night in Montreal

  6. Pas44 says:

    It would be nice to go into Montreal and crush hockey night in Canada!
    LGR!

  7. Jerry says:

    Reality check:
    This win was against a winless team with a bunch of kids and a third string goal tender.

    • SalMerc says:

      Exactly. With no offensive punch either.

    • Walt says:

      also led by the scoring machine Stepan….

      • SalMerc says:

        Possibly the 120th best center in the league!

        • Mintgecko says:

          I got told he would touch 60 points next to Domi once on here. I guess Keller has a chance to be better than Zucc, Nash, MS and Kreider, maybe that will finally take him over the hump.

          • SalMerc says:

            Seeing Stepan again reminds me of a song
            Bye-Bye, so-long, farewell …….

            I read in the post that both McD and Nash told the team that they really wanted that game. And you think there was love in that locker room last year?

            Trust me, based on the other stories about players not going to Stepan’s wedding, I think his time came and went with the NYR. Let him thrive (ha) in Arizona.

            • Mintgecko says:

              Yeah Hayes who was still a rookie at the time ditch to go to Norway to be with the boys and Zucc. Stuff like that and vets like MSL, Nash, Boyle and Hank praising Hayes shows that he’s been more involved in the locker-room. When has a vet ever take Stepan under their wings? Or when has any of these kids praise him to the press? What Hayes said in the Tribune about Stepan told me enough about what the younger crowd thought of him.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Max Domi of the Coyotes said that Stepan’s work ethic is “awesome” and has been very constructive in helping the younger players. (NY Times).

                So much for that nonsense. As for the Players Tribune and Kevin Hayes, I have that article from last Spring. When did he say anything about Stepan?

                It seems to me you are making things up here that have no basis in fact.

    • Pas44 says:

      We didn’t lose, they didn’t score in the first few minutes, our backup picked up a win, perhaps some chemistry began, the locker room had some banter and fun…

      all good things need to start somewhere…

    • Richter1994 says:

      Thank you Jerry, the voice of reason once again.

      I had actually hope that they would lose so the dumbass coach would be fired.

  8. Mythdoc says:

    With my x ray vision into what goes on behind the scenes I report that AV was vindicated in holding out for the 4c, Nieves, that he wanted instead of playing non center Carey or slow Cracknell. Also, looks like that line had some chemistry last night, so naturally BSB wants to move Buch off it right away.

    The only consolation is knowing in our hearts that we know so much better what to do than the guys in charge, right?

    • Dave says:

      Buch should not be on the 4th line. Desharnais should not be the 2C. There are holes in the roster. Ideally Desharnais is your 4C with Grabner/Fast. Buch is top-six.

      We beat the drum in the summer to the point where you all yelled at me, they need a top six center.

      You can’t replace Stepan and Lindberg with Desharnais and hopes and dreams.

      • Mintgecko says:

        Or Hayes could get some offensive wingers and the team could either keep DD and get a established 4c or keep Boo and get a 3c. That’s the cheaper way to go without giving up much so I believe JG goes that route. I was a DD fan hoping he could revive his career in NY but so far I’m not impressed with his game. Hayes is allowing him to see the better offensive zone starts, players and competition. I rather just see a defensive center in replace of what he brings.

        Let’s be real about Oscar who had 2 great months as a NYR. Once was in October of 15 when he went on a scoring spree to start the season. The second time was when the playoffs were in session last spring. He was never around when this team was winning, last year when this team was at it’s best was when Pirri was around.

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        That last line by Dave says it all. 100% correct.

        Look, the whole Stepan debate has, as usual, gone off the rails into non-reality. Nobody (that I have seen) is suggesting that Stepan, with his cap hit and pending NMC, should have been retained. Dealing him and managing the cap was totally appropriate.

        But that being said, for all those taking Gorton/Sather to the woodshed for signing Stepan in the summer of 2015 has failed to address this simple point—what was the alternative? There was none. We had no other NHL ready options. There were no affordable options in FA. And to the best of my knowledge, there was no trade possible because we had no assets to deal. So please, Stepan haters, please tell us what you would have done if you were the GM. I can tell you what you would have done…..the exact same thing Gorton/Sather did, because that was the only alternative.

        For some reason, all the Stepan haters piled on the guy because he wasn’t Sidney Crosby or even Jonathan Toews (although, I will point out that over the last two seasons, Stepan and Toews haven’t been all that different statistically). He was a more than serviceable and solid 1C/2C type player on a team that had no one better. He helped the Rangers compete against the elite teams that had true star centers. And he was a 1C on a team that has had three straight 100+ point seasons and more playoff success in aggregate over four seasons than most Ranger centers have ever had—so how bad could he have been? I have no idea why on earth that makes this guy subject to such scorn and derision.

        He didn’t have a good game last night. Big deal. I’m sure he was nervous coming back to MSG, and the tribute certainly got to him. It’s early yet, but on a bad team, he’s on pace for a roughly 50 point season yet again—exactly what the Yotes signed up for I’m sure.

        And for whatever it’s worth, there was this a couple of days ago from Max Domi, who said that Stepan’s work ethic is “awesome” and has been very constructive in helping the younger players. (NY Times)

        Were the Rangers correct in dealing Stepan in order to build a better future and manage the cap? Absolutely. Are they a better team TODAY simply because he is no longer on the team? Absolutely NOT. His absence along with Lindberg has left the Rangers with a huge hole down the middle, and until that is addressed they are a borderline playoff team—at best.

        With no cap concerns, I’d take Stepan back right now in a heartbeat, and so would the Rangers.

        • Mintgecko says:

          No they wouldn’t and there was talk in the summer of the Yotes GM expecting Stepan to reach 70 points hoping that he gets over the hump over there. There’s teams in the NHL that have their 1c touching north of 60 points and still not making the playoffs. Go look at what Girouix does for Philly and it’s PP in the last few years. You should also check out Travares and see how far his point total gets the Isle. Stepan being a 50 point player (doubtful) would mean fringe 60 point wings as a top line which they won’t like especially a coach coming from Pitts. That team doesn’t have the best depth to begin with starting with the centers and they usually don’t spend much $$ so no I doubt they signed him up for other plans. They give him the favourable matchups and little to no PK time.

          He won’t have a 3c who can start the season out of shape and still post up 30+ points.

        • pavel_burrito says:

          E3, I want to add that I don’t understand why, in a post about a much needed victory, majority of the posts are centered on bashing Stepan. Yes he’s paid too much, no he’s not a Crosby/McDavid superstar center, yes he’s admittedly a very well liked and respected player, and yes he’s playing on a different team now.

          The Rangers organization had the class to give him a tribute for his 7 years of playing here. They can be classy, why can’t this discussion be as well?

      • Ray says:

        The idea that one should put your best forwards on the first line, next best on the second, etc. is both obvious and idiotic.

        Whether Buchnevich is better than Desharnais or not is not the issue. The issue is what deployment creates the best team. From what we saw last night, Buch is a very good 4th liner player and I suspect a much better 4th line player than Desharnais. Maybe he is also a better 2nd liner than Desharnais, but perhaps by a smaller margin. So perhaps this deployment helps more with the fourth than it hurts with the second.

        The second issue is playing time. There are some iron men like Callahan, but generally speaking, forwards who play 16-17 minutes a game play at a higher level than those who play 20 minutes a game. Otherwise, using a fourth line at all would be foolish. But stamina and intensity vary from person to person. How many minutes can Buchnevich play and stay at top level every shift? Frankly we have no idea.

        Finally, these games are not that important. The coach needs to figure the team out. You want to see Buch because you are excited about Buch and want to see what he can do. Did it ever croos your mind that Desharnais is more interesting to management than Buchnevich at the moment. Buchnevich is a keeper. OTOH, whether or not Desharnais can contribute in a meaningful way this year – OR NEEDS TO BE REPLACED – is a question that needs to be answered. Buch needs to develop (and diverse assignments can be beneficial); DD needs to be assessed and we need to know where he can be effective if at all.

        • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

          Ray, what is the matter with you? You know better than to inject logic and reason here. It’s much easier to simply say—AV $%^& and be done with it. 🙂

          Excellent analysis.

        • Mancunian Candidate says:

          Totally disagree with your concept of lines–they should have significant purpose and structure within the team system. You don’t play a bottom 6 player as your 2nd line center “to see what they’ve got”. And would also take issue with your description of Ryan Callahan as an “iron man”–Callahan has missed a huge amount of games in his career due to injury, and has never played a full 82-game slate in his career. He’s missed 95 games since 2013-14 alone.

          In relation to Buchnevich, he’s clearly worthy of top 6 time on this team. His success on the 4th line means that he’s a good hockey player, not that he’s a good 4th liner.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Why? Because WE have determined this to be so, so it’s so? He’s still a young player, and as Ray said, do we really know his physical conditioning at such a young age and if he’s really ready for more.

            Also, in the modern day NHL, and certainly the manner in which AV likes to play, is there really a traditional 4th line anymore? When you dont have high end talent as is the case with the Rangers, having four lines that work is what matters.

            Right now, this is a flawed team that has trouble getting any offense at all. If the 4th line starts to produce, then fine, leave them be for now until they don’t.

          • Ray says:

            I was referring to Callahan’s ability to play 23 minutes a night at full speed apparently – not on any ability to play every game.

          • Mythdoc says:

            A very wooden approach to the lineup, which is my criticism of most of the chatter on here…very wooden and dogmatic. “Play the top six players in the top six spots.” No idea that chemistry would be a factor at all.

            • Mancunian Candidate says:

              Yeah you’re right–let’s play Zibby on defense and put Staal at #1 center. That’ll be creative, less wooden. And maybe some AHL players should be in that mix too.

              • Mythdoc says:

                M.C.

                Dude, relax, you know no one is saying swap d’s and o’s. What we are saying is Buch, at this stage of his career, is not clearly better than the other wings on the top two lines. He’s not a better shooter than Zuccarello or Nash, and he not a better power forward than Kreider or Miller. So, he is going to be inserted somewhere in the lineup that makes sense, until such time as he is ready to move up. In the meantime, chemistry is important.

        • Egelstein says:

          “The idea that one should put your best forwards on the first line, next best on the second, etc. is both obvious and idiotic.”

          This is precisely why you will often find Sidney Crosby centering the 4th line for the Pens.

          You’re on a roll lately, Raymond.

          • Ray says:

            Bad example. Great players often center fourth lines. That’s one way to double shift them.

            • Egelstein says:

              Lots of things can happen throughout the course of a game with cycling the lines and pairs, of course. The point is, most every team has the structure that their top offensive players are in the top six, and their lesser offensive and/or defensive players are in the bottom six.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Eg-

            To me you just proved the opposite point. If we did have a Crosby-type player, then yes, obviously, first line. We are talking about Pavel Buchnevich here, who at this point is about as far from Crosby is on the hockey evolutionary scale as a person can be.

            When we have a true elite player, then let me know. In the meantime, we have a bunch of interchangeable parts that probably can go on any line.

            • Egelstein says:

              Eddie, I feel like you are missing the point because you wish not to see it. I should know better than to use Crosby as an example, as you’re always going to do what you just did, haha. I’ll consider that more in the future.

              It is not, at all, in any way, intended to paint Pavel Buchnevich as a Crosby-level player. It is about the fact that Pavel’s skill set is geared for offensive production – potentially high-end.

              If AV wants to roll his fourth line in name like a second line in practice and give Pavel 16 minutes a game, night in night out for a solid amount of time to let the lad establish his game – no shenanigans, then hey, fine. That’s not what has been happening, though.

    • Kentric says:

      I am rather glad that people on this site have tempered expectations on the fourth line and aren’t considering them the reincarnation of the GAG line. It was a game against a winless team so take the production with a grain of salt. Hopefully they continue their success over a longer term, but don’t get your hopes up too high.

  9. Mikeyyy says:

    Every squirrel gets a nut eventually.

    The systemic issues are too much. Av gone soon.

    So we need to start playing pavlicec as the starter?

    Or realize the assets don’t match the deployment strategy?

  10. wwpd says:

    looking forward to seeing Boo play against an NHL-quality team saturday. this was a nice warm-up.

    LGR and have a great weekend everyone

  11. Mythdoc says:

    Hank remains the elephant in the room. He needs to turn in a no gaffe performance Saturday, and make the key saves, or, hard as it might be to fathom, he should sit for Pavelec for a while.

  12. Blue Seat says:

    I did not see the game. What were Rangers’ lines last night against Yotes?

  13. rglv says:

    Let me open a can of worms. Rangers are not going to win the game tomorrow up North if they play as poorly on D as they did yesterday. Shattenrkirk had the worst game so far, and btw Clendening was the best d-man on the other team.

    • Mythdoc says:

      Clendening did? Surely you jest. Go back and watch our first goal again. C fans on a pass before he shovels it to Step in an an awkward spot. Then C lets Zucc by him and allows a between the legs pass for the goal. On the offensive side, he did nothing at all the least bit dangerous to our goal.

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        Clendening can play like crap (or in fact not play at all), and still we will hear chapter and verse on how AV misused him. Just like he misused McIlrath. And Etem. And Sheppard. And then ALL these guys go elsewhere and their next organizations use them the same way AV did, or even less. Hilarious!

      • rglv says:

        And that is exactly why Stepan said this goal was “totally his”? I did see a number of Clendening crisp passes from their D zone right on the forward’s tape while most of the Shattenkirk were not.

  14. Chris F says:

    For all those snarking about Stepan not getting on the board last night somehow being evidence that he’s not a #1 C, the guy had 7 points in 9 games going into last night. Seems to be off to a very good start, actually.

    As for last night, it was an emotional return for Stepan. He had a tough time facing off against his former teammates in front of his former fans.

    Give it a rest already. Why are we even still talking about this?

    • Mintgecko says:

      Being a 50 point player in the position that he’s in still won’t justify his worth when the Yotes need a 65+ center who can win draws. Add to the fact that they’ll definitely want mid 20s in goals

      • SalMerc says:

        Yup, what he said

      • Egelstein says:

        Why are folks acting like the guy is making Toews money? The Yotes need a 100 point center who can do everything, if you look at what could possibly truly bring them up to a playoff level. Chayka got the best center they could get who fit their vision of what they wanted from said center, for what they were willing to give up to get him. Gorton got the best return he could for a package including Stepan that he was willing to give up. That’s really all there is to it and I don’t get the grave-dancing about Stepan at all. He did not rob the Rangers and then burn the place down in the process of bolting for free agency completely unexpectedly, or something like that. He played well while he was here, and the team traded him as a part of bolstering their long-term vision.

      • Spozo says:

        The Yotes need a 65+ point center. So do about 20 other teams in the NHL. That’s about the number of teams that didn’t have a center hit 65 points last season. People act like that production grows on trees when it clearly doesn’t.

    • Reenavipul says:

      He’s also a -7 and a CF% of 51(largely based on being tied or behind.)

      They way the cheated on leaving the zone , combined with boneheaded plays in the back, killed them. They are fun to watch in a trainwreck sort of way.

      Step will get 50 points because Keller is gonna get 80+(and be a -40.)

  15. pavel_burrito says:

    Lol. I didn’t watch the game, only listened to the broadcast. Kept forgetting that Boo was called up, and every time thought, “Who’s this Boony Avis guy they are talking about? Is he ours or from the desert?”

  16. Reenavipul says:

    Like I’ve written repeatedly, trust AV to do the smart thing after all other avenues have been explored.

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      Or you can say…..617 wins…tied with Jacques Lemaire for 13th all time. Hmmm, which one to go with? I think I’ll go with the wins rather than the subjective “he’s not a smart coach” implication that actually can’t be supported with any facts.

      • Reenavipul says:

        And how many rings does Lemaire have?

        • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

          Well, you’ve got me on that one. I knew as soon as I typed Lemaire that I had made a mistake! 🙂

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            But actually, I do have a retort. Lemaire as a coach won just one. And he did have arguably the two best defensemen of the 90’s on his team in Stevens and Niedermayer spearheading what was likely one of the best defenses ever assembled. And on top of that, he had quite possibly the greatest goaltender ever to play. And despite that, he won just one Cup and in fact missed the playoffs the year after winning that Cup, which was pretty astounding.

            Bottom line, no one would look at any team that AV has had, certainly as a Ranger, and suggest that there was anything remotely close to the high end talent the Devils had from their blue line back.

  17. Richter1994 says:

    This was a spirited thread lol.