Rangers drop a doozy to the Leafs

October 8, 2017, by

Different players, same idea.

Folks, I’m gonna be honest here: last night’s game was not an easy one to watch. In fact, I would even bet that the 13 combined points between the two teams will outscore quite a few NFL teams today (looking at you, my beloved Jets).

Since the game was, frankly, a tire fire, let’s go over some points and then jump to the most relevant and entertaining points that Twitter had for us in our time of need.

  • There were a few good points to take away from this game. For one, the power play continues to look good, converting on 2/3 attempts, and Mika Zibanejad continues to impress with his shot.
  • The penalty kill, however, was not great. The Rangers gave up 3 PPG on 6 penalties, and on the last one, Kevin Hayes was absolutely undressed. He looked like a kid in pee wee league.
  • Filip Chytil’s usage is not good. It’s totally fine for an 18-year-old to not quite be ready for the NHL, but to play 12:39 over two games is inexcusable. It’s not intelligent management of your team and it’s poor deployment. Send him to get some ice time elsewhere and don’t shorten your bench.
  • More on Chytil: the chart below shows his deployment last night, courtesy of @ryanohan. He played only 4:59 last night, a drop from his 7:40 in the season opener.

  • Additionally worrisome that Alain Vigneault’s idea of how to fix things is to break up the McDonagh-Shattenkirk top defensive pair after four periods and, instead, give Marc Staal top pair minutes. Let me explain here, friends: Staal is old, Staal is the slowest of the defensemen. Staal is not the answer.

Now that we’ve gone off the ledge here, the good news is that we’re only two games in to the season and, in 2013-14, the Rangers effectively had Marty Biron forced into retirement at this point, only to go on to the Stanley Cup Finals.

To Twitter!

First things first: Shayna puts all of my AV fears really eloquently in three tweets:

For those concerned about Hank – Dave is one of them, and Pat’s keeping receipts: 

On the new offsides challenge rules:

After that first, five goal period for the Leafs:


Our optimistic (but, let’s face it, probably correct) fan base:

But to leave this with something optimistic:

Even if the Rangers are not, at least #RangersTwitter is in midseason form.

They’ll look to rebound tonight at the Garden against Original Six foe, Montreal. Stay off of ledges, fam.

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Categories : Game Wrap-ups


  1. Richter1994 says:


  2. Mintgecko says:

    Of course now you add Hayes to one of your articles for this site, you act like that stuff doesn’t happen.

    NYR’s will be fine but this is what happens when you keep the wrong kid, a line of issues due to it. You have DD playing as a 4c with a AHL’er in Carey when really he should be in the top 9 with Vesey on the 3rd line. Grabner should have been on the 4th line with Andersson during this stint. I always saw Chytil as a kid who could have worked better by either going back home to grow up some more or stay as a AHL’er while getting a better understanding of the language. Lias in the meantime doesn’t need another year when playing on the bigger ice surface and away from this system. I always felt that he should have stayed even if its in Hartford for a few months. If Chytil does leave to go home than the management screwed up, imagine those two as a top 6 for Hartford?

    • scrangersfan says:

      I agree with all your comments just like to add one more point. Don’t expect Lundqvist to be as good as he used to be, do to no fault of his, he is passed his prime and he started his decline. Some players get older faster then others. Considering all the games he’d played over the years carrying the team on his back, it is understandable that he had lost a bit of his quick reflexes. The Rangers need to compensate by getting a more explosive offense on the ice to score more goals to win 5-4 games instead 2-1 games.

      • Mintgecko says:

        Yea for sure you’re right, I can tell when reality hits hard at home but someone like B Smith imo is already failing. How am I suppose to rip on Staal after all he’s done? Smith is already screwing up and he didn’t look good in pre season but he received the Chytil treatment the fans because he “produced”.

  3. Mintgecko says:

    On a side not that I don’t think we miss Girardi or Stepan much and so far what I seen from them makes those departures look good. Oscar skated well for Vegas last night and could have been a good 4c for us.

  4. Mancunian Candidate says:

    2013-14–NYR 3-7 in first 10 GP, 36 GA/15 GF.
    2014-15–NYR 5-5 in first 10 GP, 31 GA/28 GF.
    2015-16–NYR 6-4 in first 10 GP, 20 GA /28 GF.
    2016-17–NYR 7-3 in first 10 GP, 22 GA /40 GF (!!!).

    In the first 2 seasons under Vigneault the team (and Hank) started very slowly. AV challenged Hank to start the season quickly in 2015 and in the last 2 seasons Hank heeded the call. This season we should all expect a slow start due to personnel changes on the D and Hank’s injury in the world championships with Sweden. Overall I think Vigneault’s system takes a little while to get rolling as well. So the hue & cry about this team’s demise is premature. Doesn’t anybody remember anything about this team’s trends under AV? Or Hank’s career pattern of slow starts? Or is hyperventilating about everything all the time the normal state of affairs now?

    Remember that in 2014 the Rangers made the Cup Finals after stumbling out of the gate at 3-7. And that they made the semifinals in 2015 despite a 3.10 goals against average in their first 10 games. I’d rather see this team face adversity early and learn how to battle together, instead of getting cocky about where their game is due to a hot start and getting knocked out early in the playoffs.

    Chytil needs to go back to the Czech Republic. He was horrendous last night, and it’s clear already that Vigneault isn’t liking what he sees from the kid. This experiment doesn’t look good right now, Chytil was overmatched badly against a crew of top notch forwards last night. For all the complaining about Staal being moved up, I thought it made sense last night–DeAngelo was bad, and McD, Skjei, & Smith looked confused early on. On the plus side, this team came back from 4 goals down on the road against a good team. The end was kinda dismal to be sure, but onwards and upwards from here I hope.

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      I 100% agree with this. Why does everyone get so bent out of shape when changes to the lines or pairings happen? EVERY NHL coach does this, not just AV. Staal played well last night. Shatty and McDonagh haven’t developed a chemistry yet. They are trying to win a game. What’s the big deal?

      And I will point out, we have NO IDEA if Shatty and McDonagh will EVER have good chemistry. We assumed it is so because we decided it was so. Doesn’t mean it will work at all. To be determined.

      I think DeAngelo should sit and consider getting Holden back in.

      One more thing, and I posted this on the prior page.

      Regarding Chytil—I doubt seriously that AV is going against the plan that he and Gorton agreed to. Game circumstances dictate play. Also, I think this may well be the plan. Let him get his feet wet a bit. Let him get practice time with NHL-level talent. Let him have the ability to pick the brains of the older players.

      In 1995, the Yanks called up Derek Jeter and Jorge Posada. They barely played, but I’ve interviewed Jeter and he told me that that experience—just being around the guys, was a huge stepping stone for him, and set him up for the HOF career that was in front of him.

      It may well be that the plan was to give Chytil a little NHL experience now, and be a placeholder until Fast gets back. Then, ship him back to Europe. Personally, I think that is wise. You can ruin a kid by giving them too much too fast. He just does not look ready for this level.

      • Mancunian Candidate says:

        Hard to knock AV for sitting Chytil after that really bad first period. But I didn’t like his use of Chytil in the Colorado game. DeAngelo was rightly punished with pine time after his hideous giveaway last night, no need to scratch him next game.

      • AZgene4240 says:

        I agree Chytil is not NHL ready. I would give the kid a full year in the system to play in all situations then bring him to camp next to see if he can take the spot in a top 9 role.

        Things will get better but Gorton needs to make a deal for a centerman like Duchene. I think that will re align where everywhere needs to play such as Hayes down to the 3c, Grabner to the 4th line, and when Fast comes back, you can move Fast around.

      • Reenavipul says:

        If you believe the plan was to give Chytil 6 shifts a game, I have a bridge available that you might be interested in.

        If AV kid napped the Lindbergh baby I’d be expecting justification that he thought it was his turn to babysit that night.

        • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:


          Can’t really say what the plan was, but this is what I am 99.9% certain of—that it’s almost a virtual certainty that AV is not going “rogue” here and doing the opposite of what upper management suggested. I’ve been hearing that nonsense for years here and there is absolutely no evidence that this has ever been the case. So if you want to blame someone, blame them all collectively.

          I agree that is curious that Chytil hasn’t gotten more time. Just not buying that this is solely an “AV thing”.

          • Reenavipul says:

            Obviously score effects are a part of it, but you operate under the presumption that the coach knows what he’s doing anymore than a peewee coach and I do not.

            I would’ve put a line out after the 3rd goal and hit anything that moved. After the 4th, I’d have sent Chytil out to fight. After the 5th I would’ve pulled Hank for the period, run the hairdryer(i.e. scream a blue streak) in the locker room between periods, then run Hank right back out there.

            • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

              Send out Chytil to fight? He looks like a string bean out there. Has he EVER fought in a game? He would likely get killed, maybe break his hand. Totally insane idea.

              I realize you fancy yourself as a guy who knows more than anyone in the league, but since our coach has more wins than any other coach in the game over the past decade, I think I’ll go with his judgment over yours. Just sayin. 🙂

              • Reenavipul says:

                I wouldn’t care if Chytil couldn’t take out a powder puff cheerleader, if you ain’t gonna play him, at least have him do *something*.

                I don’t fancy myself as anything more than a guy who’s watched a lot of hockey and picked the brains of guys who have watched a lot more hockey than me.

                What all that has told me is that the current coach of the Rangers drags the team down.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Well, at least you’ve elevated him above pee wee coach. That’s progress. 🙂

                As Bill Parcells said, “you are what your record says you are”. Hard to claim he drags any team down given his record, especially given the B+ talent level in NY he has to deal with, and given how the team record wise dramatically improved over the prior coach.

                Is he perfect? no. Does he make mistakes? Absolutely. But no more so than most any other coach. He’d be top 10 on any GMs list of coaches you’d want behind the bench. No question.

  5. Jerry says:

    If this is the way Chytil will be used, PLEASE send him down or back home where he can play. Let him learn from his mistakes, mature physically and become the player he is capable of becoming.

  6. Rangers Rock says:

    I repeat from yesterday.
    We are all aware that Hank is probably the weak link at this point. There are 2 elephants in the room and Hank is 1.
    Let’s go AV! Do better! You too Hank!

    • King Sieveqvist ! King Sieveqvist ! King Sieveqvist ! says:

      How dare u blame a HOFer ! Off with ur head !!

    • King Sieveqvist! King Sieveqvist! King Sieveqvist! says:

      Hank’s gonna be exposed more then last year with the new D , its all O … look at the Deangelo turnover on the 2 nd goal …. Staal should have not be gone like he was anticipating the rush … he should have been across giving Deangelo the safe in case option,instead Deangelo tries to force a pass , bad bounce and nobody is there except Toronto for a goal and staal is by the blue line. First goal was a good tip , The top of the circle shot should have been stopped , the little tip in front from grabner or whom ever touched it same thing,should have been stopped.
      Kid isn’t ready,he looked good in preseason against the other kids.We’re in trouble.

    • Mintgecko says:

      No B Smith is the glaring weak link, I much rather have the 2013-16 version of Klein than him.

    • Richter1994 says:

      I guess you didn’t watch the game and just looked at the boxscore.

    • Reenavipul says:

      I noticed last night that even when his glove hand is high, Hank dips it before coming back up. That’s a lot of wasted movement.

  7. Mythdoc says:

    Staal was the best defenseman on the ice for us last night. (Sad, maybe, but true.) And Chytil was terribly overmatched. The lineup changes worked. Social media concludes AV is back to his old tricks.

    Today is another game.

  8. Spozo says:

    “AV doesn’t make in game adjustments!!!!!”

    After a horrendous first period he moves Staal (who was the best defender on the team lastnight) up to the first pair. The team proceeds to score 4 unanswered goals to tie the game.

    “But AV broke up Mcdonagh and Shatty!!!!!! WAHHHH!!!!!”

    • Richter1994 says:

      AV did make that “adjustment” but quite honestly the Leafs’ players were blowing by him like he was standing still.

      And that’s not what made them better in the 2nd period, the forwards were actually playing defense and covered their checks as opposed to allowing them to roam free without any counter resistance.

  9. flatbush says:

    Should not panic after 2 games or make up your mind on the D pairings at this point. My gut and perception show me that the rangers want to go go go which seems to diminish the details of playing a defense first attitude. If you want to run and gun you will leave the goalie out to try. With that mindset structure is fleeting and there is a lot of running around in the D zone cause were too spread out and wind up chasing back into our zone. The forwards are all in the same mold, they want to make the pretty play, the high risk play. Guys are flying forward and turnovers against good transition teams will burn us. Our D men are mostly offensive assets more so than being a shutdown D men. If you listen to the MSG broadcast propaganda and some here you would think Mac, Shatt, Brady, and DeAngelo greatly improve the defense with G and Klein gone. it does improve the offensive side of the game and their quicker and the idea is we can get out better. However that does not automatically make us better if were all over the place trying to make long stretch passes. They need to balance the approach between this offensive juggernaut and playing some sound defensive principals

  10. Richter1994 says:

    In 2013-14, you know, the year they went to the SCF, they started out 2-6 and giving up 5+ goals per game.

    It’s comical that any Ranger fan can make an assessment of this team and/or its players after 2 games.

    Oh, and Ovechkin is going to score 240 goals this year, it looks like.

  11. Blue76 says:

    Wow all this negativity and no one, not even once, dumped on Tanner …

  12. roadrider says:

    Chytil did not merit more ice time last night. He looked over matched and I had no problem with AV putting JT between Nash and Zucc. That line looked pretty good for the remainder of the game. I can’t imagine how giving Chytil more ice time would have helped the cause last night. And I don’t think this is an “AV hates young players” thing. D,Angelo was horrible in the first period but he wasn’t pulled from the rotation as quickly as Chytil was.

    I liked the way the Rangers came back and I give AV credit for shaking things up to try to reverse the tide even if some of the line combos and defense pairings were, well, “curious”. I didn’t like the way that they seemed unprepared to start the game and, along with the sloppy play in Game 1, I’m inclined to ding the coaching staff for their pre-season preparation and some of the veteran players for not pulling things together.

    I’m pretty sure that these first two games are just a blip. I know I have been skeptical about the prospects for the PP but after the first two games my skepticism has vanished. Quick puck movement, great screening by Kreider and Buch, great passes by Shattenkirk and great shooting by Zib. Its night and day from the past 2 seasons. I just hope they keep it up.

    • Peter says:

      I agree that Chytil has looked overmatched. DeAngelo looks tentative and not like the confident kid I have seen in the past. He probably needs work in practice to get used to the system. Chytil just might not yet be physically strong enough to pkay at this level. We will see.

      • Bloomer says:

        What system is that? Everyone flees the defensive zone waiting for the last man back to make the hail Mary stretch pass. You mean that system?

  13. Peter says:

    Not yet time to panick. There was some good play in between the bad stuff. This will work out in a couple of weeks.

    • Reenavipul says:

      We’ll know by the end of the evening whether it’s time to panic.

      • Peter says:

        Nah, I won’t panick unless they are still playing this way at the end of the week.

  14. Ray says:

    I don’t see most games here, but it seems to me that a successful McDonagh-Shattenkirk pairing requires McDonagh to change his game a bit. With a McDonagh-Girardi (or Staal), Ryan is the aggressive dman and Girardi is the stay at home guy. Since Shatty is better offensively than McD and McD is better defensively than Girardi ever was, a McD-Shat pairing should be hands down better. But only if they play in a complementary fashion. If McD is too aggressive, the pairing won’t work.

    • supermaz says:

      McDonagh is not better defensively than Girardi ever was. You must have just started watching the Rangers in 2015.

      • Ray says:

        You don’t remember a Caps series where McDonagh totally shut down Ovechkin. I loved Dan, but he couldn’t do that. Girardi was perhaps more effective defensively because Ryan devoted more effort to offense than Dan did (which he could do because G had his back), but McD can be superlative in his own end.

  15. Playground 9 says:

    Brendan Smith better get his head on straight. We didn’t pay him big money to play like that….that said, everyone has a bad night. Unfortunately for him, it was in front of his hometown boys…

    Lettieri should be playing on this team.

    Vesey is like a young Rick Nash out there. The kid is a monster in the making.