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Calming the Jimmy Vesey hype

October 31, 2016, by
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Photo: Brad Penner-USA Today

We have a Blueseatblogs Fantasy Hockey league where one of the divisions is called The Jimmy Vesey Hype Train. It’s fair to say that if it isn’t already full steam ahead on the hype front for Jimmy Vesey then one or two more impressive performances in the near future and the hype train will definitely be out of control.

While Vesey has been hugely impressive thus far, it’s important to temper expectations (sorry folks). Vesey has exceeded expectations thus far with his production, the way he has eased himself into the line-up, as well as his play both on and off the puck. He looks destined for a strong rookie year and is clearly justifying all the excitement and buzz that was created during his free agency tour of the league. With that all said, Rangers fans shouldn’t panic if he cools off, or hits some rough patches and the media around the team shouldn’t put too much pressure on Vesey.

It’s important to look at some of the significant numbers around Vesey. We often talk of the college wall many players traditionally hit when making the jump from college to the NHL and last season Vesey played a mere 33 games for Harvard. There’s a legitimate risk that by January Vesey could be running on empty. Kevin Hayes, who coped well in his rookie year, played 40 games in his last college season. Many players however have suffered during their first NHL seasons.

Then there’s Vesey’s unsustainable shooting percentage. Vesey is shooting over 31% in the early going which is obviously not sustainable. While Vesey could counteract the eventual regression by shooting more (he’s averaging less than 2 shots per game thus far) it’s fair to assume Vesey will come down to earth somewhat. Don’t be shocked by a goal drought.

Oscar Lindberg also had a great start to his Rangers career, flying out of the gates last season with four goals in his first three games (he was arguably the Rangers best forward in early October) and he had potted seven by early November. While Lindberg played injured last year, and doesn’t possess the offensive upside of Vesey, it’s clear that rookies can jump out to a quick start and then cool off. It happens all over the league.

Vesey has been everything and more in October. He’s added size and skill to the line-up and really given the Rangers enviable depth in the early going. He’s given the Rangers another finisher to compliment all the playmakers and pass first forwards the team has. Vesey’s presence has changed the dynamic of the Rangers offense and that is a good thing.

Rangers’ fans should enjoy Vesey’s fast start and enjoy the league leading offense we’re watching dismantle the likes of Tampa Bay. Just don’t panic when, in Jimmy Vesey case, one of it’s key cogs comes back down to earth somewhat. Vesey can be a legitimate Calder trophy candidate and if Alain Vigneault manages him carefully he could have a great season but there will be difficult times ahead – this isn’t pessimism, it’s just important to be realistic. For Vesey and the fanbase.

Categories : Players

39 comments

  1. SalMerc says:

    The kid can play. He may not score 25, may not have 50 points, but the kid can play. Stop pouring cold water on us. We are allowed to be happy!!!!!

    You yell at us when we bash AV. We can’t love McIlrath. We cannot hate Girardi enough and now we cannot like Vesey too much. In other words, we have to like players exactly like Dave?

    • Chris says:

      SalMerc; I’m the very definition of an optimist and I’m also very excited about JV. But it’s easy to get ahead of ourselves and it does the kid no favours if the entire fanbase and the media put him on an unrealistic level too early. That’s all I’m saying!

      • SalMerc says:

        Chris (not Dave)
        We never get to draft an Eichel or a McDavid. Vesey is the closest we are going to get to a #1 pick in the draft. Our expectations do not make him play better or worse. Let us drool over a young stud.

        We can have high expectations. It isn’t like we think he is the next Ovie or McDavid, but he can be OUR next great rookie. Let us have our young kid who everyone else wants to see.

      • Chris72 says:

        But who got ahead of themselves? It feels like this is an article you wrote to yourself, reminding you not to get ahead of yourself.

    • paulronty says:

      I’m with you. I was impressed with him at Traverse City but you figure he’ll be less spectacular in NHL games. But hell, I’ve geared my expectations upwards, based on what I’ve seen, not downwards.

      • Reenavipul says:

        The goals in TC where he used his speed, I suggested waiting to see if he could do it against the big boys.

        He can.

        Another 20g scorer is never a bad thing.

    • Chris72 says:

      I couldn’t agree more Sal! Not one post I’ve read has expressed unrealistic expectations pertaining to Vesey. Just because Dave is curious about his top 6 longevity doesn’t mean anyone else has to be. For some reason you guys are trying to curb the reasonable and honestly, level headed expectations for a player many are genuinely excited about. Surprisingly, not one single person has made an off the wall comparison to McDavid or Matthews or any other elite youngster. It’s you guys that are creating the hype by assuming others are going to. He is a very young player, with a lot of tools, who is off to a very good start on a team that is scoring a lot of goals. Is it OK that we all share a positive Ranger headline and not have to feel the paranoia you guys feel because the #’s say he can’t perform at this rate for the entire season. We don’t need a lesson on how the numbers calculate Vesey is not gonna score 80 pts. As far as the media is concerned……… this is NYC, the media gets paid to inflate players and fill daily columns. I’m fairly certain Vesey knew that when he chose (from the entire NHL) to come here.

  2. Craig says:

    See your point Dave, but on the other hand, why not get excited. This team and its fans year after year miss out in the draft. This kid looks like the real deal so far and may get better. If he slumps, he slumps as every player usually does, we’ll cross that bridge when it comes. He is a better offensive player then Hayes in my opinion, more skilled. Obviously, Hayes should have lost 20 pounds and been better condition last year, maybe he wouldn’t have declined. Lets stay optimistic about Vesey as well as this Ranger team. They have dominated the good teams with their speed and youth so far, even with Hank not at full steam yet. Even Girardi and Staal look decent because they are healthy this year as well as Nash (which I had predicted a couple of months ago and caught all kinds of slack). So far the defense is not as brutal (though is still needs work) as many anticipated but of course, it is still very early.
    So far, there is a lot to get excited about! Revenge on The Blues coming up. We dominated them earlier this year and unfortunately lost that game.

    • Chris A says:

      Off topic, but remember when everyone wanted Hayes run out of town? Boy, was that a rush to judgement.

      • Rod Seiling's Twilight Zone says:

        Including me! But that was no rush to judgment – he was brutal last year. But so far this year he’s a different player and, like pretty much every forward, is really looking good.

        • Chris A says:

          That was my point though. He was excellent in his rookie year, to write him off a brutal sophomore season is short sighted at best and courting disaster at worst.

          You have to be patient with young pros. Hayes clearly has a massive amount of talent, his rookie year proved that. The past 14 months has been him going through the process of becoming a pro hockey player. It looks like the Rangers’ patience with Hayes is going to rewarded handsomely as he looks even better this year then he did his rookie year.

          • Rod Seiling's Twilight Zone says:

            Totally agree. I thought he was so brutal last year that trading him (but only for the right deal) would have made sense. And I would have been very wrong. He’s really turned it around and is, indeed, looking better than in his rookie year.

      • paulronty says:

        Not really because he was behind the play a lot and now we know why. He was out of shape!

        • SalMerc says:

          If Hayes is really playing better (people seem to think so), SELL HIGH! Move him now and see if he can be part of the Trouba deal.

          I gave myself a thumbs down so you guys wouldn’t feel alone, but I would include him in a heartbeat.

          • Chris A says:

            If they move Trouba for a forward like Hayes and other minor pieces, then Winnipeg’s GM is even dumber than suspected.

            There are very few situations where dealing a top 4 D for a forward, unless you are getting one of the top 30 forwards in the league, makes sense. Again, Adam Larsson netted Taylor Hall and Seth Jones netted Ryan Johansson. Those are the comparables when you talk about trading for Trouba. Kreider probably gets Trouba to NY.

            A quality defenseman is worth so much more than a quality forward.

            Trouba is signing in Winnipeg anyway. There are no scenarios where Winnipeg can simultaneously trade Trouba and improve their team.

    • Dave says:

      Oops. Forgot to change the author. This is a post from Chris. Changing that now.

  3. Pas44 says:

    I am going to act like I didn’t read this….

    Winter is coming Dave, I need to feel happy about Vesey!!!!

    • Dave says:

      See above, this is by Chris.

      But that said, I agree with him. Vesey is shooting 31%. That won’t continue.

    • Pas44 says:

      Chris your a buzz kill.

      😉

      but its good people know the deal. nice post… Winter is still coming…

      I honestly really like Vesey demeanor, very humble, seems like he is holding back some childlike emotions… Nash’s face towards him on his goal last night was great to see, he may be good for Nash… A young talent that Rick can help!!!

  4. amy says:

    Vesey is the real deal

  5. Pas44 says:

    Whats Kreiders Update!!!!!

  6. Larry says:

    JV has some serious skills…that slap shot he scored was accurate and deceptive, also he has a very calm demeanor…He’s going to be a good player for the NYR.

  7. Larry says:

    I don’t disagree Chris’ blog, season is still very young…let’s hope JV has a nice full season, say…40-45 points.

  8. Jerry says:

    Hey Chris. All excellent points. Personally, I am looking at how he plays more than how many he scores. Even points depends largely on his line mates. The kid is mature, great hockey sense, some size, and obviously some skill. Although I wasn’t sold 100% on his signing, but figured what the heck, ‘we squandered away high draft choices anyway’, but I am convinced he will be at least a real nice player, and I’m guessing a LOT MORE than that!

  9. Richter1994 says:

    Let me just say this, I have seen a lot of Ranger hockey and there has not been too many times that a rookie comes in and has a tremendous impact.

    But this kid Vesey does. He plays like a 5 year vet. Already his game has improved tremendously from Game #1 until now. He will only get better.

    I remember Tony Amonte coming in with the same type of impact right off the bat. I see similarities taking into consideration the different eras, where now not as many goals are scored as back in the 90s.

    LET THE HYPE TRAIN ROLL!!

  10. Peter says:

    Sure his goals will cool down, but the kid shows a real hockey sense and the physical tools to be a real nice player. A dependable forward who plays well at both ends of the ice, passes well, has good hands and some heart? Sounds like a steal and someone who God willing will have a very nice career.

  11. Jon says:

    There’s no way Vesey is gonna continue to score on 30% of his shots. Even is he’s an elite scoring forward, 15 or 16% would be a stretch. I’m enjoying the fast start for Vesey but doubt he’s the next “great one.” I’m sure he’ll have his drought eventually. As long as he continues to help drive possession and generate scoring chances, then the Rangers will be fine. Maybe one of his line mates gets hot following his run. He does have Nash and Stepan on the ice with him & Stepan is due for a hot streak. I expect that to start in the next week or 2.

  12. Ranger11 says:

    I don’t see why he shouldn’t score at least 90 goals this year. If he don’t it’s all AV’s fault for not playing Mcilrath

    • Chris72 says:

      LMAO!!!

      OMG….. nearly pissed myself.

      • Richter1994 says:

        why would you get thumbs down for this? 11’s comment was funny. I’m almost a senior citizen and didn’t take offense to your comment, lol.