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Bizarre trade between Canucks and Panthers offer Rangers hope

May 26, 2016, by
Not traded. But tradeable. #5

Not traded. But tradeable. #5

Apparently, Dan Girardi and Marc Staal are so bad (p.s. they’re not) that they are untradeable unless the Rangers do something ridiculous like take back Bobby Holik and Scott Gomez’s Ranger contracts.

Well, the rather perplexing trade between the Canucks and Panthers this week has taught us two things that should excite the Rangers and those are: NHL General Managers still make stupid decisions and there is most certainly a market for mediocre defensive defensemen.

Here’s the deal; Erik Gudbranson is a better, younger player than either Staal or Girardi but he has neither lived up to his draft billing (3rd overall in 2010) nor is he such a particularly impressive blueliner that teams ‘just have to have him’. Factor in the Canucks gave up the 33rd overall pick in what appears to be a solid draft, gave up on their 14th overall draft pick from 2014 and you have the makings of an overpayment regardless of the other bits and pieces in the deal.

What does this tell us about the Rangers? You sure as hell better hope Jeff Gorton is working the phones – regardless of what Larry Brooks writes. Yes, Gudbranson is on a bridge deal, on much better terms than either of Staal or Girardi and yes, there may still be some upside and he certainly hasn’t got as many miles on the clock. BUT… if Gudbranson can fetch a good prospect and a quasi-first round pick in return then surely the Rangers’ don’t need to send back premium prospects, give up major draft picks or retain big chunks salary to move either of their tarnished veterans. It seems there’s a market for defensive defensemen – all hail silly NHL GM’s!

Whether or not Gorton and the Rangers even want to move on from Girardi or Staal is unclear to most people aside from Brooks – does he really have the inside scoop?. Whether Brooks is right with his reports that the Rangers aren’t actively shopping Girardi or asking him to waive his movement clause is up for debate. But the Rangers should be moving the loyal veteran and this rather odd deal between cross-continent trading partners should show them that any player can be moved.

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47 comments

  1. George says:

    The one thing that is different between staal/Girardi and Gudbranson (outside of age and ability) is the fact that both staal and Girardi have NMC in their contracts. Because of this, it might be harder to trade staal and Girardi because I would think both would want to go to a winning team (one with little or no cap space).

    • Chris A says:

      That’s what I was saying all season. But now that it’s the offseason, Girardi might be open to a deal if it’s the right situation. Next summer Girardi can only block a trade to 15 teams.

  2. pas44 says:

    I remember the Boos raining down from the Garden on Wade Redden…

    I would rather be traded then start to hear that…

  3. amy says:

    let’s hope that the gm doesn’t do anything stupid

  4. Fotiu is God says:

    … a rather admirable bit of conflation, Chris. Stick-tap to you.

    But I’d circle back to one of SalMerc’s recent posts, a rather trenchant bit of reflection: ‘Get used to it, man’, Sal wrote with an economy of words. ‘This is what it means to be a longtime Ranger fan. Ours has always been a sorrowful reality’.

    Sure; on occasion we gas on other organization’s major f**k-ups and regrettable personnel decisions. Akin to the off-color joke told at a wake…

    The truth is the likes of Paul Holmgren, Dale Tallon, Garth Snow, Mike Milbury, and now Jim Benning only serve to momentarily distract us from our own legacy of self sabotage.

    • Fotiu is God says:

      “Wait Swarty; what’s that an example of?”

      “Schadenfreude?…”

      “Huh. Wasn’t that Madeline Kahn’s character in “Blazing Saddles”?

      “What… Lily Von Schtupp? You’re always on, Swarty.”

      • Swarty says:

        Hedley Lamarr has just spoken to Governor William J. Le PetoSather on these remarkable happenings.

        The response is and I quote:

        “If there are going to be bizarre trades – then I’ll have two – I love a Bazaar”

    • SalMerc says:

      FrauBleuker!

      • Furls says:

        🐴

      • Fotiu is God says:

        The Artist Formerly Known as SalMerc has been rebranded: Lord Humungus.

        Henceforth his posts will be announced, via loudspeaker, by The Toadie: “I give you The Humungus!… The Warrior of the Wasteland!… The Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-ah!”…

        “Be still my dog of war. I understand your pain. We’ve all lost someone we love. But we do it my way.”

      • JoeS. says:

        Dieing ain’t much of a living, boy!

  5. RANGERS_UNDERSCORE says:

    Self sabotage, Perfect by the king of Sabotage AV!

  6. RANGERS_UNDERSCORE says:

    Is this team worse or better than when AV got here?

    • Blaine says:

      That’s a matter of perspective and maybe a better question is: Are they playing better than when AV got here? The team is definitely deeper. Forward line depth is stronger. Hell, for 2 years our biggest complaint is the 12-13 forward? (OK and that Nash doesn’t score in the playoffs) We can complain about who came and who went but overall position depth is stronger than when he arrived.
      I would venture that they are not playing better but why? Coaching or declining play?

      • Fotiu is God says:

        Blaine: “definitely deeper”? Than who?

        At this point I see preferable depth, if not far more projectable prospects amongst at least three non playoff teams–Buffalo, Calgary and Winterpeg–than what we have going forward.

        To answer your closer: it’s a combination of bench bosses obstinate for their refusal to play youngsters–depriving us of fresh legs/energy come Games 70-85/90, when it’s most critical–coupled with a largely leaderless core of veterans conspicuous for their disappearance.

  7. Florida Tom says:

    Doesn’t really matter but a minor typo, McCann was 24th overall not 14th.

  8. SalMerc says:

    Look, Just so I can say I told you so, Hank, Tanner, Girardi and Stall all will be back, GET OVER IT.

    Now, find me 3 other forwards and 2 other defenseman that can make us a formidable team.

    Add some Hank and some Aanti, a lil bit of Ulfi and some Arnel and you have 90 points and a playoff spot. Relax-mon, Every little ting, gonna be alright

    • Fotiu is God says:

      Hey man, you gonna’ pass that blunt?

    • Dave says:

      As long as Hank is other-worldly, they will be a playoff team. But he’s turning 35 next season.

      • Fotiu is God says:

        David; respectfully. Please.

        In a 30-team league where but six or eight don’t make the dance… We’re solidly in the mid-murk.

        Go see Sal.

      • paulronty says:

        Hank can play another 5-8 years, it would help if he was rested more & had a team that understood the concept of defence.

  9. Jake W says:

    I’ve always been a fan of Gubranson and would love to swap G or Staal for him. Now that I live in south Florida I attend my fair share of Panthers games and I would say that they’ve become my 2nd team after the Rangers of course. But having Gudbranson and Mcilrath BOTH on our blueline would be fantastic imo they both clear the crease are physical and defend teammates and protect their goalie and the Rangers have lacked in that department for awhile now. And both are solid upgrades over G & Staal Imo. I’d be ecstatic if we were to pull off a deal to land Gudbranson for G or Staal honestly. MAKE IT HAPPEN GORTON!

    • Fotiu is God says:

      Yup, and I love to see Traci Lords on my settee.

      Dude, go see Sal.

      • Roger Domal says:

        Traci Lords the s 48 years old. Are you Chris Berman with your references?

        Anyway, Gubranson’s numbers are genuinely awful, and have been for most of his career. However, both Willie Mitchell and Roberto Luongo expressed surprise at his departure.

        I’ve asked this one a few times, and nobody has the answer. Does comfortability with the D playing in front of you have an impact mentally on how a goalie takes to the ice? In other words, would Hank rather have G out there instead of #6?

        • AD says:

          Based on how Hank reacted this past season to down low goals from an opponent uncovered by Girardi, I don’t think Hank would blink an eye if Girardi were not out on the ice.

        • paulronty says:

          Hank LOVES #6!! He feels like if anyone runs him, they are going to be held accountable.

        • Fotiu is God says:

          How do you do it, Roger? In an age of autocorrect you still somehow flub basic punctuation.

          Hey, if at first you don’t succeed, failure may be your style.

    • paulronty says:

      Gudbranson has been nothing less than unimpressive in his brief NHL tenure.

  10. Alec says:

    What’s bizarre?

    Vancouver has 3D that are UFA(and weren’t very good) so they needed a guy who could eat minutes. They got one that didn’t fit Florida’s salary structure compared to his role.

    Florida needed a 4th line C who metrics aren’t bad and picked up a couple of picks.

  11. Alec says:

    From a prior thread:

    They’ll be able to move Girardi after next season to a team that needs to hit the cap floor but doesn’t want to spend money, as his actual salary will drop to $3mm/yr but the cap hit is $5mm. The Coyotes spring to mind as they will need bodies to make the salary floor, projected to be at least $20mm away from the floor for 2017-18.

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      I agree Alec.

      Sorry Chris, I don’t see the trade your referencing in any way being an example of how or if Girardi can be moved. Unless it’s to a destination he really would want to go to. And since Brooksie reported that the Rangers aren’t going to move him, it seems pretty clear that he probably has already told them he will NOT agree to a trade. If so, it ain’t happening until next summer.

  12. JoeS. says:

    “all hail silly HNL GMs” now you just clued them in, you know they all read this great blog!

  13. Bloomer says:

    Girardi and Staal aren’t going anywhere they have NMC. The Canucks needed blueline help and got it with Erik Gudbranson. There are other teams looking for help on defence (Dallas comes to mind) and it will be McDonagh they will be calling for.

  14. Bloomer says:

    10 secs left in the Pittsburgh Tampa game. Still time for Stralman to cough up the puck.

  15. Walt says:

    Just a thought, there are some who stated that the Pens had a terrible defense, only Latang, no one else. My question to them is do you still think that is the case??????????? I’m pulling for San Jose !!!!!!!!

    • SalMerc says:

      Pens in the Stanley Cup, who wudda thunk it. Shows you how far you can get with 2 studs, some speed, some crisp passing and adequate goal-tending. Oh yea, maybe some COACHING PREPAREDNESS too.

      F-ing Cindy didn’t do it on his own, but he sure has some heart.

      • Walt says:

        Every word is true. My point was that the defense has been under appreciated, and under rated by many on this site, just shows what can happen when everyone puts their minds together, and gets the job done !!!!!!!!!!

  16. Mattstake says:

    I think Donald Rumsfeld sums up the state of our Rangers the best;
    There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know.

  17. Jon says:

    I read the Panthers offered Gudbranson a 4 year $18 mil contract but he declined to sign forcing the Cats to cut their losses. They did ok considering they were dealing from a position of weakness. They got a bridge deal done to retain his rights and make him more easily traded.

    If Staal or Girardi were willing to waive their NTC/NMC (I would think Staal would be more likely to waive) the Rangers would have to retain part or half their salary which would be better than a buyout but dead cap space nonetheless. A team like EDM, CAR, BUF, COL, or CAL could use a Marc Staal. I bet he’d play better with a change of scenery too.