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Post loss musings

The face of an OT winner

The face of an OT winner

Let’s face it, last night’s loss felt like a kick to the stomach. I don’t think any of us were able to wake up without feeling sad, disgruntled, nauseous, confused, personally victimized, etc… I personally can’t formulate a logical post, so instead, some post-game thoughts.

–          The Rangers dominated last night. This is infuriating right now, but I’ll take great play and a tough loss over getting run over for two games.

–          All things considered, where the heck is Rick Nash? I mean, hooray he’s being defensive and we need him to play well, but I’m pretty sure the $7.8M he’s making this year wasn’t a contract signed for him being a great two-way player. We need him to be shooting, and not just at Quick’s chest.

–          Speaking of Quick, the Rangers can beat him. Now we just need them to not give up leads.

–          Does anyone else feel post-traumatic stress disorder whenever the Rangers go up 2-0? I’m no doctor but I’m pretty sure if you’re a Rangers fan, your life expectancy has gone down 5 years this postseason.

–          Brad Richards.. Bradley Glenn Richards. You see, this is hard, cause he carried the team early in the season and he has been effective this postseason. But he is glaringly bad against LA, showing maybe signs of exhaustion despite a hard summer workout with friend Martin St. Louis. All signs point to buyout?

–          All things considered, I still see the Rangers winning this. The Kings have gone to OT in their last three games and have with much more fire. Being down 3-0 to the Sharks is sweet, but it takes its toll. You only play with fire for so long. The Rangers win over the Canadiens was decisive; the Kings over the Blackhawks was settled in OT of Game 7. Keep the faith.

So here are the questions for you:

  1. Do you see the Rangers winning? How long will this series go?
  2. Buy out Richards in order to keep more of our lines together next season?
  3. Who will wear the C next year if Richards is bought out (not that it’s definitely his to lose)
  4. Which LA King are you most afraid of? Which do you think is most overrated?
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28 Responses to “Post loss musings”

  1. JohnnyT says:

    1. I am keeping the faith. I think the home team holds serve until the last one…Rangers in 7

    2. I love what Richards has done in the playoffs up until this series and the last one. He simply can’t keep up with the pace…tough decision but buy him out and use the money elsewhere.

    3. Give McDonagh the C…that guy is an elite talent and leads by example. Keep him around for the rest of his career and the Rangers will be back in the cup more than once.

    4. Kopitar, Carter, and Doughty are the real deal. Brown, Richards, and Gaborik don’t scare me as much as I thought they would.

    • Puck Luck @Centerman21 says:

      Why does AV play so conservative with a lead in the 3rd? He needs to Forecheck hard still and play the same way the team did in the 40 mins prior. If he wants to fall back why not use the 1-3-1 as a trap in the neutral zone. TB used it to great effect a few years back when they made it to the ECF. MSL was a terror in that trap. When playing with a lead the turnovers are plentiful as are the odd man rushes for. That’s what I’d do.

      • Walt says:

        Your spot on my friend. We lost 2 games because of this mind set of AV. Next lead we get, we should keep putting the pressure on them, not sit back again!!

  2. "The Original" Rob says:

    1. Yes. We will get stronger as each game goes on. Make no mistake, the long lay off between the Hab series kinda hurt us. Hardest part will be to win 2 in a row at Garden. Rangers in 7!

    2. Nobody here is as big of a fan of BR then me here, but he killed me last night. He was downright terrible! So,I’m gonna have to say that he will get bought out…

    3. Mac.

    4. Most afraid of Justin Williams. He def looks like he’s playing the best hockey of his career.
    I don’t think they have any “overrated” players, but if I had to choose one, I’d have to say Doughty, only because that moron Pierre McGuire compared him to Potvin and Borque….you kidding me Pierre???

  3. WilliamW says:

    Tough game, the Rangers seem to be right there but can’t close out games. It has been an issue all year

    Richards just can’t keep up unfortunately. Moving to the wing might help but I don’t think he’d be an upgrade over any of the top 9 at this point. His spot in the lineup 2C is probably the weakest

    McD, Girardi and Staal would all be worthy choices. So would St Louis, but McD would be my choice

    Doughty scares me the most

    I’d like to see Nash and St Louis swapped for a bit as well

  4. Gary says:

    1) No, and I say that with all the sadness and disgust you alluded to in your post. I hope I am a contrary indicator.

    2) Yes, no brainer.

    3) MAC Truck

    4) Kopitar / Doughty

  5. Gary says:

    I mean Doughty’s good, even great. But in the context of the question, he’s over rated because the Rangers can win against him. I am more afraid of Kopi because he is the real deal both ways and has not done anything offensively – and I am just hoping it stays that way.

    Gaborik… screw you. Playing D now is evidently a fad that he’s into. I don’t really buy Carter.

  6. Gary says:

    Also, another weird thought. I am having trouble working up a dislike, let alone a hatred for the Kings. That is unlike the bile and acid I felt for Philly, Pitts and Montreal (in ascending order).

    Not only that, but I actually like Sutter. Is this their tactic, make you like and respect them even as they pick you apart game after game?

    • Becky says:

      Gary – that was my original post. But after a loss like last night I can’t really function. Maybe it’ll be up sometime this week

  7. Ray V says:

    Becky, I am with you. Where is Rick Nash? We are not paying him $7.8M to “play defense”.

    1 – I did not see us winning this one from the beginning, but then again I did not think we could get past the Pens or Habs. So that being said, who knows. It just stings a bit when we are this close. Its been 20 years and who knows when that next shot will be. I went to many Ranger/Islanders games in the 80s and hearing “1940” always sucked. We got the cash, but we have a tough time getting players that 1. can handle the pressure in NY, and 2. play with some sort of cohesive chemistry.

    2 – Richards MUST GO. I watch every game and he makes me cringe EVERY game. If there was a stat of the player who is the last player with puck possession before the other team takes control, Richards would be top of the list. His dumb/weak passes suck almost all the time. It just seems to me he is afraid of the puck and needs to “dish” it off so someone else. He gets his goals here and there, but most of the time his shots are hitting someone in the way, or hitting the back boards and watching the puck bounce out of the offensive zone. I think he threw maybe THREE checks all year. Contact to him is like a cat vs water. They say the puck always seems to find the great players. WRONG !!!! The great players find that puck with smart play. Zucc maybe small, but he sure knows where that puck will be = )

    3 – I honestly wish MSL retires with us. If anyone deserves that C its him. I always loved Cally, and he played with guts and led by example, but I never felt he was really the type to be a captain in the locker room. MSL has that leadership quality. Stick around Marty = )

    4 – I don’t think there is any King that I am most afraid of. I thought maybe Quick before these finals, but we have shown we can beat him. At this point the only thing that can beat the Rangers are themselves, and I painfully say that they will = (
    (then again I was wrong about getting past the Pens and Habs)

    LETS GO RANGERS. Don’t make me wait another 20. Most of these gray hairs are from you =)

    • "The Original Rob" says:

      No “Cohesive Chemistry???” Cmon man, I know were all frustrated, but were in the Stanley Cup Finals against a team fresh from a Stanley Cup victory just 2 years ago. Not to mention that they havn’t even had a lead on us yet! Keep the faith boyz and gals, this team of ours is NOT gonna go down so easily. I believe!!! LGR!!!

      • Ray V says:

        Rob – I dont mean this team or the team over the last few years under Torts. I am talking about over the last 40 years. Its rare when we get players that can handle the NY pressure and on top of that meld into a unit. We had that with the team in the early 90s that led to the cup. The 79 cup run was a fluke by a bunch of crazies whose real chemistry involved partying and drugs = )
        Its just far and few between. Our current team definitely has chemistry. Besides Richards and a kick in the ass for Nash, I would not change anything.
        LGR !!

        • "The Original" Rob says:

          Oh okay Ray. Sorry for putting you on the spot. I should have read your post better bud.

  8. Craig says:

    The Kings stole this game from NY
    The Rangers outplayed them most of the game and missed some great scoring changes, puck just wasn’t bouncing for them all night.
    King interfering with Lunquest was the game changer. It should have been a penalty or a whistle. Very frustrating, that was the game.
    Next year we definitely need a big scrappy defensemen even if Stralman has to go. I would consider trading Mark Staul in a good deal(not sure if he is a free agent this year) as good as he is, he is damaged goods and lost any mean streak he had before.
    It should be even at 1 game apiece but when we win at the garden it will just be a one game difference again.
    Buyout Richards for sure, not worth the money. Everyone is wondering what is wrong with Nash?
    The Guy is TOO SLOW for the fast pace playoff games, He shakes slow, hogs the puck, and dipsy doodles with the puck and is easily neutralized by quickness of the opposition. He needs to adjust his game plan by using his size more and planting himself in front of the net more.

    • Ray V says:

      Craig you are dead on with Nash. I think this team as a whole maybe to fast for him. How many times has he pulled that same “back in” dipsy crap and noticed that it has NOT worked. Nash needs to pull power moves like Kredier does. I thought Nash was the stud we needed. What happend to the power moved he “used to” pull with his body while blocking the defender on his way to the net? With speed, that should be his trademark.

      • Craig says:

        Thanks Ray, I thought at the time of the trade, we gave up a lot, maybe to much for Nash and now I am more convinced then ever. Also, Almost eight million a year is to much. Granted, he scores goals during the season , but he doesn’t really rack up a lot of points overall. Also for his size, he lacks grit.
        He never seems to excel in the Playoffs and each year does a disappearing act. Definitely overpaid

    • Leatherneckinlv says:

      Nash doesn’t have the heart nor aggressiveness to do that. He has no power in his forward position. 7.8 mil for a penalty killer is a disaster.

  9. prole30 says:

    You can only blame a player to a certain extent. When AV saw that Richards was failing, he had to reduce his shifts. Or shuffle with a switch of Nash and St. Louis to get some beef on that line. Nash has to start creating chances or if they lose he should be dealt to San Jose, where he would fit in perfectly. The team has not been outplayed and had only half the gaffs of the Kings. Can the Rangers win it? They have to hold serve. Then there is Carcillo, fresh legs and a bone to pick, as in the Philly series.

  10. Becky says:

    Not to Burke it up but he has no intensity at all

  11. asfjr says:

    1. From the beginning I’ve been saying to my friends, “my head says Kings in 6, my heart says Rangers”…i’m still there but boy am i hoping the heart rules the mind this time.

    2. Richards needs to be bought out. The recapture rule will hurt if he doesn’t finish out his contract, and even if he is going to put up 20 goals/55 pts a season, it’s not enough to justify the cap hit

    3. McDonagh should get the C, but wouldn’t mind seeing on Zucc’s jersey

    4. Fear Doughty the most…I’m about ready to concede he is the top D in the NHL now. Not sure anyone on that team is truly overrated. Maybe Gaborik a little, but he’s on one of his hot streaks right now. It just happens that it’s a the most noticeable time of the season, so he’s drawing alot of attention for it

  12. Bill says:

    Rangers in 6 !!!!

  13. TxRanger says:

    1. 6 games, Rangers win the next four…

    2. I think Richards is bought out unless the players threaten mutiny over his buy-out.

    3. McDonagh wears the C even if Brad is there next year or not.

    4. Gaborik is overrated, but I’m incredibly scared of him. He just has this look on his face that he is totally not into it. Like he just doesn’t care at all. Thats what I remember from his time in NY. But he’s so fast and just gets the puck in the net.

  14. Puck Luck @Centerman21 says:

    -The way the first two games went, I personally think the Rangers can rifle off four in a row and win game 6 at home.
    -I’m not big on buying out Richards though it might be a necessity. Unless Sather decides to use it on Nash. The Rangers aren’t here without Brad Richards this year. Early on the few win we got on that 9 game road trip were Richards. He has the respect of the team in the locker room.
    -I may be alone here but I think they should give the C to Nash. He was captain in Columbus and was a star. Since he’s been just a player in NY he hasn’t looked like the same player at all. I think it would benefit the team to give it to him. He’s quiet so he’ll do his talking on the ice.
    -So far Justin Williams has killed us. He’s been a possession monster both games. Hard to say who’s the most overrated in two games but Kopitar hasn’t done anything to be talked about. Nothing good anyway.

    • Walt says:

      Just a thought, but do any of you think that Nash is gun shy do to his two concussion sustained since he arrived in NY???

      This is not the first time I asked this question, and no one ever really responded. I honestly believe that to be the case!!

  15. flatbush says:

    1. Rangers will win game 3. Gotta take one game at a time.

    2. Richards must be bought out. Its just business and he has given his best but……

    3. Don’t know where McD is regarding his next contract but he should be the guy. MSL gets an A

    4. Williams up front. Doughty on D. Afraid of giving their D point shots because they screen with big bodies.

  16. Walt says:

    During the season, AV got Pouliot’s attention by sitting him. Well, after toooooooo many mistakes, Richards should be benched, and let Miller play. Move MSL up with Kreider, and Step, Nash down with Miller, and see what happends. We have nothing to loose, so why not upset the apple cart????

    This LA team can be beaten, so let’s just do it!!

  17. Fl Swarty says:

    1 – The Kings just will not go away – NYR could easily be up 2-0 but they aren’t. The interference call was clearly the game changer and the difference, but it is what it is. I am a believer in one game at a time. These playoffs have shown over and over that no game lead is safe and no series lead is safe. Just ask the Kings. Let’s win tonight and then go from there.

    2- Tough One – He has played fairly well overall in the playoffs with some stretches of really well. But the last couple of games have been tough for him. Fatigue is setting in – but it is for everyone. He is obviously still a leader for the team. If you buy him out how does that affect the team chemistry especially with Marty? And, what do you do with the money if you buy him out?

    3- McD seems logical – but if you give McD the “C” – then who loses the “A”? The captain is about leadership and NO ONE leads like MSL, but I find it difficult to see him getting the “C” since he is so new. He should definitely get an”A” but then you have the same numbers problem.

    4 – LA does not quit – ever . So maybe Sutter is the one to fear. He sure knows how to make in-game adjustments and they seem to come out flying EVERY 3rd period. The Kings are stacked up front and Doughtly is quite a player but whatever Sutter is selling I’m buying