The Pros and Cons Of Sean Avery Being Out Of Fashion

October 4, 2011, by

So if you haven’t heard, word on the street  internet is that Sean Avery will be placed on waivers and presumably will head to Hartford. Obviously with Avery being such a polarizing player, this news has been met with both criticism and acclaim.

Being the eternal centrists that we are, we decided to weigh the pros and cons of this move. We will let you, the people; decide if this move was beneficial.


  • The Rangers lose the league’s best agitator, a player who initially was very successful at knocking elite players off of their game.
  • With solid ice-time, Avery was a 10-15 goal producer. That’s exactly what you want for a bottom six grinder costing you $1.9 mill.
  • Even if his offense disappeared, Avery was always a good forechecker and fit well tactically into Torts’ dump & chase/2-1-2 strategy.
  • Avery rarely lost a fight. Few were better at creating home ice advantage and getting the crowd going.
  • Sean wasn’t a pro’s pro and he’s presumably bringing his baggage to Hartford where our prospects are learning to be professionals. Expecting him to be an exemplary mentor, in the way Redden has, is a stretch.
  • HBO’s 24/7 just went down a notch on the Nielsen ratings estimates.
  • Erik Christensen gets a roster spot…for now
  • If he gets picked up by an Eastern Conference team, that could come back to bite us in the ass big-time.


  • If he gets picked up, we are off the hook with his cap hit. The claiming team and Dallas now split the cost.
  • He had just 3 goals in 76 games last season.
  • If EC doesn’t perform, it could open up a spot for another young guy down the road
  • Some thought he should have been on the first line. I looked at his bad passing ability and his propensity to be off-sides and thought otherwise.
  • Though the occasional spin-o-rama made me second guess myself…until of course he caused a bad turnover or was off-sides again.
  • Prior to the “sloppy seconds” fiasco Avery was akin to drawing key penalties, but that asset quickly diminished upon his return to NY.
  • It’s one thing to be an agitator, but it’s another thing to be a scumbag. Cheapshotting unsuspecting players and punching guys when they’re already down on the ice won’t win you any favors with teammates or more importantly, the referees.
  • Avery took bad penalties. Indeed some of them were due to overzealous refs, but if he’s marching to the box late in the third period, it’s going to cost you wins plain and simple.
  • At the end of the day Avery was a distraction. Teammates, coaches, and others in the organization don’t want to have to answer questions about his extracurricular activities. Even though those extracurriculars were part of why I liked the guy, the media bombardment he received brought too much negative attention to the organization. He just created too many headaches for too many people and that goes beyond John Tortorella.



  1. Dave says:

    I’m only not happy because of my dislike of Erik Christensen. But let’s be honest, the 13th forward is just a placeholder spot for this year. Not a bad move to free up the cap space.

    • bob says:

      This statement pretty much hits the nail on the head.I think if Christensen wasnt the one in the equation,it would make people feel different.Alot of people just cant stand him.He just seems to be such a waste of talent.It would be one thing if he wasnt so talented,and he tried hard.But it appears to be the opposite.

  2. bob says:

    Have to vote no due to the fact that we could have finally been rid of Christensen,never could stomach his play,but understand the money issue due to Stall’s injury

    • Dave says:

      I’d have to assume they just wanted the cap space. Let’s be fair…we are arguing over the 13th forward here.

      • bob says:

        I don’t thing anybody is really going to argue much about this decision,because Torts was never going to use Avery correctly or fairly.Im sure one could be made about Tort’s use of Avery in the past due to his personal feelings.

        • Dave says:

          Well, what is the “correct” way to use Avery? He’s an agitator, but his game disappeared when the refs stopped calling infractions against him.

          • bob says:

            you are so right about the refs,I meant to bring that up.The refs called everything against him and nothing when players did something to him.I meant more about giving him mins.And letting him spend some time in front of the net i.e. the Brodeur days.But yeah,the refs have definitely hurt his game.

  3. Matt J says:

    Avery and EC both are terrible and picking one over the other is a terrible argument. It’s like arguing that getting hit in the face with a shovel or hammer is worse.

    • Dave says:

      I’d prefer a shovel.

    • The Suit says:

      Correct. This is about Sean being on waivers, not about Erik being on the team. Gotta separate the two.

    • Dave says:

      Also…Sin Bin worthy?

      • Dave says:

        For best post…

      • Dave says:

        Assuming we continue with it…

      • Matt J says:

        Thanks for the nomination if the sin bin continues. I certainly hope it does continue. Not even for the best post necessarily but for the worst post. I’ve gotten a pretty good laugh at some people playing arm chair GM on this website.

        • Dave says:

          The thing with the Sin Bin is that it is very difficult for us to run it. We need everyone who wants it to participate, and nominate posts for best/worst post.

  4. Dave says:

    The more I think about it, the more I want to change my vote to Yes.

    • Dave says:

      I just edited my vote…I know it’s wrong, but I think it’s the right move to put him on waivers. I had to separate Christensen from the picture.

      • The Suit says:

        plus if EC ends up really sucking, it could open up a spot for Bourque or Hagelin later in the season

        • Dave says:

          Would we want one of them in the 13th forward spot? I figure Newbury would be a stopgap there.

          • The Suit says:

            I just figure the lines could rotate. Maybe someone who is struggling becomes healthy scratch.

            • Dave says:

              That’s ideal obviously, but do we want someone like Bourque/Hagelin sitting every 3rd game, or getting top minutes in CT?

              • The Suit says:

                No right or wrong answer. For me it depends on who they are, how they play, and how long their call up is.

                Giving them a taste isn’t bad. Leaving them on the bench for weeks at a time isn’t good either.

                But I don’t think its a stretch to think someone like a Rupp, MZA, or Boyle see the bench at some point if they’re struggling.

              • Dave says:

                That’s when we will see Christensen. I think it’s safe to say that if we see him, it’s because there’s a problem elsewhere.

              • The Suit says:

                “Tortorella also alluded to the fact that the Rangers “want to get some kids in the lineup if we can” down the road, meaning that the Rangers were not about to carry both Avery and Christensen as extra forwards.” – Cerny

              • Dave says:

                So that means they may look to make a trade? There are no spots right now for any kids.

              • The Suit says:

                It could. Or it could mean that in this unperfect world someone could get injured or not play well and they might give a young guy a chance.

  5. mhurley says:

    I think dismissing Avery without even giving him a shot at left wing with Richards and Gaborik is premature.

    Of course, since he is so universally hated around the league, who’s gonna pick him up? The Flyers?

    My guess is he’ll go to the Whale to open up cap space to for a Staal replacement. Sean will play in Hartford rather then forfeit close to $4 million. He may own two restaurants but he’s not Rockefeller. He needs the money.

    • Dave says:

      He won’t be claimed. He will go to the Whale and play one year before retiring.

    • becky says:

      He *needs* the money? Dave maybe we should get the sin bin back up…

      • mhurley says:

        To live the “lifestyle”, Avery needs that money. Recall he only made “star” money for 4 years. $16 millon doesn’t go far after his agent gets his cut. Hell, a decent apartment in NYC goes for over $2 million. I wouldn’t call Avery vastly wealthy. It’s not like he’s set for life.

  6. Sally says:

    I’m not convinced that Torts is a good coach. One Stanley Cup does not make a good coach. I mean the Marlins have a World Series ring and who in the heck was their coach? Torts has gotten everything he wanted this year, including getting rid of Avery. If the Rangers don’t get past the first round or don’t even make the playoffs, then what?

    • The Suit says:

      what if he does get past the first round, 2nd round, etc. Would you then consider him a good coach?

      • Sally says:

        Isn’t a good coach someone you takes a group of players and makes the sum total better, in a sense, takes everyone’s level of play to the next level.

    • tmd39 says:

      The Marlins have two World Series rings and the managers were Jim Leyland and Jack McKeon.

      • becky says:

        Also the Marlins are under 20 years old.

        • Sally says:

          So were the Tampa Bay Lightning.

          • The Suit says:

            Yes and he shaped them into better, more consistent players. Lecav and Richards both credit him for that.

            He’s giving kids icetime and sending washed up guys like Dru, Redden, Rozi, and Avery out the door. How could you not be behind that?

            • Glen Miller says:

              Plus what did that core of Lightning players do after he left? Lecavalier and St. Louis, as good as they were/are did nothing after Torts was fired. Hell, after a still-in-his-prime Khabibulin left via free agency the club struggled.

    • Glen Miller says:

      Jim Leyland for one world series, a hall of famer mind you when he retires, and Jack McKeon I believe. McKeon is another very good baseball guy throughout his career. I’m not even a Marlins fan and I know that. Torts is a good coach, there is no doubt in my head on that.

  7. Bway Bshirt says:

    The flyers will think to claim him to replace carcillo and asham as well as be able to bury jody shelleys contract and keep eyes off jagr and onto a circus. Just a thought. And to have him vs rangers all year.

    • Jackson says:

      Imagine 24/7 with Avery on the Flyers. That would certainly make for an interesting watch.

      • Glen Miller says:

        One thing about Avery though is he legitimately hates and I mean hates the Rangers rivals. I can’t see him signing with a division rival, ever.

  8. Zen says:

    The only possible CON I can possibly think of is the one mentioned above… “HBO’s 24/7 just went down a notch on the Nielsen ratings estimates”.

    Avery needed to go. He is not a team player and we don’t need him around the young guys. I will always enjoy what he did for the team when he first got there, but let’s be honest… he has been a zero for this team since then.

    The cap space will be quite useful as well. My guess is a D-man is coming.

    • The Suit says:

      Good stuff, don’t forget to vote 😉

    • wwpd says:

      tangent … credit Avery with writing an indelible chapter of new york rangers history. Fatty terrorized me for the better part of two decades winning something like 1000 games in a row against the rangers, and I will never forget that magical shift where Sean gave birth to the Avery Rule and then turned around on the next rush and scored the goal. Possibly the most memorable Blueshirt moment since 17 June ’94 (alright it was some pretty lean years after that until the lockout but still)

      I agree other than that transcendant shift 3 years ago Avery has been a nonentity to this team, but in the end, it was totally worth it.

  9. bob says:

    Today is the first time I have ever posted on a website and I just wanted to comment about the site.This is one of my favorite Ranger sites.I really respect the knowledge and professionalism of Dave,The Suit etc.Just wanted to throw that out there,and hope this site will stay that way.It is sometimes pretty amazing reading the different opinions of people who have such a vast knowledge yet they can see things from different perspectives.Some sites I cant believe how people put down fellow posters regarding their opinions.Thats one thing I noticed on this site,no childish bull

    • Dave says:

      Thank you very much for the kind words. It means a lot, and we really appreciate it. Hopefully you can comment more, we always want to hear different opinions and points of view.

  10. Walt says:

    My gut tells me that Avery should have stayed around, and that EC should have been shown the door.

    We know that Torts disliked, that’s putting it mildly, Avery, but what was he like in the locker room? Don’t forget that Slats called him a distraction when Avery’s first contract came up for renewal, and let him go. I believe that we won’t see this guy again, but in a funny way he will be missed!