Can You Measure A Team’s Draft Success?

Every year around draft time there’s always countless articles debating how well teams draft and derivative reviews of every organizations prospect pool. Some major websites such as ESPN or TSN get a little crazy with their labeling of which organizations are good at drafting, while claiming others are terrible at it.

For example, last season ESPN’s EJ Hradek professed that the Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals and Chicago Blackhawks were the 2nd-4th best teams in the league when it comes to drafting. His examples to back these claims were Crosby, Malkin, Staal, and Fleury for the Penguins, Ovechkin and Backstrom for the Caps and Toews and Kane for Blackhawks.

For those of you who don’t remember where they were drafted, lets recap:

Sidney Crosby (No. 1 in ’05), Evgeni Malkin (No. 2 in ’04), Jordan Staal (No. 2 in ’06) Marc-Andre Fleury (No. 1 in ’03) Alexander Ovechkin (No. 1 in ’04) Jonathan Toes (No. 3 ’06) and Patrick Kane (No. 1 in ’07).

Do we see a similarity here?  Each and every one of them was a number 1, 2, or 3 pick.

Can you really say that an organization is the best at drafting when the cornerstones of your franchise are built with top picks? There isn’t a GM, Scout, or Blogger (who wishes he was a GM) in the world who wouldn’t take these guys. Additionally, the only reason why these teams had so many top picks to begin with was because they were god awful for so long.

So maybe the best way to evaluate a team’s drafting ability is to look beyond the first round.

Well, of course ESPN had that covered as well. Last year they nobly tried to take a whack at this by looking at which teams were able to draft players after the 1st round who not only made it to the NHL, but contributed on the stat sheet as well.

So what was the takeaway?

From 2000-2010, only 15% percent of picks taken after the first round have played 82 NHL games. These players on average put up 28 points per 82 games. For forwards this average increased to 33 points per 82 games, which is about equal to a third line player and decreased to 15 points per 82 games for defensemen.

According to ESPN, the five best teams with picks taken after thefirst round who have put up more than the average 28 points per 82 games were the Buffalo Sabres (36.3 pts per 82 games), the Montreal Canadiens (35.3 pts per 82 games), the St. Lois Blues (32.9 pts per 82 games), the San Jose Sharks (32.1 pts per 82 games), and the Los Angeles Kings (30.9 pts per 82 games).

My problem with this rationale is that they base everything on quantity and not quality. Are you going to tell me that the Rangers don’t draft well because guys like Michael Sauer (2nd round pick) don’t put up more than 28 pts per season? C’mon man!

Also, noticeably absent from this list were the Detroit Red Wings, who industry insiders believe are the best drafting team in the NHL due their ability to go off the charts and turn late round picks into stars. Knowing this, how were the Red Wings not on the list?

Well, because only 11.5 percent of players drafted by Detroit (from ’95 to ’06) have stuck around to play in 82 games, which is good for last in the league!

And really, what success has Montreal, St. Louis, and Buffalo had with all of their picks anyway?

All of this leads me to my main point. You can’t measure a team’s draft success by player stats or appearances. Even if you could, it doesn’t account for the team’s ability to retain that talent or tie it to post-season success. In my opinion, I don’t need the Rangers to be on anyone’s top ten list. At the end of the day, the only measurement for draft success is post-season wins with a roster you built from scratch.

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11 thoughts on “Can You Measure A Team’s Draft Success?

  • Jun 6, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Well you can sort of. By finding diamonds in rough you can sort of see. Hawks and wings are the best in this regard. I take the approach you can’t judge how well a team drafts you can judge how bad one drafts. Hugh jessiman will always be in my mind. I know we’ve come a long way since then but we could have had talent for a long time with that one pick.

    • Jun 6, 2011 at 9:42 am

      On Jessiman… his ankle injury f***ed his career.

      I can’t find any origianl articles besides that from MSG but the boards I found copied sections from other articles. Of course the parent company tried to make it seem like the injury wasn’t so bad, but it clearly was.

      He was clearly not the same player after that injury, you can check his stats yourself

      • Jun 6, 2011 at 12:14 pm

        Ok but it’s not like he light it up at dartmouth either. Parise getzlaf and brown all had fine junior Careers.

        • Jun 6, 2011 at 12:24 pm

          It’s 2011.

        • Jun 7, 2011 at 2:02 am

          What do Parise, Getlazf, and Brown have to do with another player suffering a career-deadening injury?

          And Jessiman did tear it up at Dartmouth. 80 points in 64 games before the season he was injured. 82 (?) points in 68 games pre-injury.

  • Jun 6, 2011 at 9:03 am

    It’s an interesting point. Its just when I look at the data, there isn’t a whole lot of differentiation…at least statistically.

  • Jun 6, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Judging success is completely subjective. It all depends on who fits into a team. Cally is clearly worth more to the Rangers than to other teams, for example.

  • Jun 6, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Espn are a bunch of hacks mostly. Them and thn.

    My dislike of bandwagon journalism knows no bounds.

    • Jun 6, 2011 at 11:03 am

      I’m with you. You should read my old anti Campbell and Milbury pieces. You’d probably get a kick outta them.

  • Jun 6, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    “My problem with this rationale is that they base everything on quantity and not quality. Are you going to tell me that the Rangers don’t draft well because guys like Michael Sauer (2nd round pick) don’t put up more than 28 pts per season? C’mon!”

    Great response
    It is typical ESPN nonsense as Michael Sauer was 1st round material until he hurt his hip.

    Anyone can pick when they are at the top of the draft but show the world why a Detroit can draft like they have despite consistently being at the end of a round.

    Ask ESPN to explain how come Detroit can find the players they do despite an average pick being 26th in a round

    • Jun 6, 2011 at 4:16 pm

      Couldn’t agree with you more. And the fact that Detroit converts the lowest amount of their picks into pros, yet is still one of the best, if not the best franchise when it comes to finding the hidden gems, shows you that you can’t quantify these things.

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