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Rangers/Leafs talking Alex Georgiev, and Kasperi Kapanen “might not be enough”

The price for the 23-year-old goalie is apparently sky high

Yesterday on The Athletic, James Mirtle confirmed what all of us had been assuming, that the Toronto Maple Leafs and New York Rangers were indeed discussing an Alex Georgiev trade. This shouldn’t be a surprise. The Leafs have had goalie issues lately and a 23-year-old potential franchise goaltender is something they’d be interested in. Michael Hutchinson is their current backup, and Frederik Andersen is their starter.

Georgiev is an upgrade on Hutchinson as the backup, that’s a given. But the Leafs aren’t looking at Georgiev as a backup. He’d be the next starter once Andersen’s contract expires after next season. That’s an important detail when looking at any Georgiev trade. Any acquiring team is viewing him as a 23-year-old starting goalie who has good numbers on a bad Rangers team.

The price for Georgiev is where things get really interesting. The Rangers are reported to want an NHL ready forward, which is something we took to mean Jeremy Bracco. Apparently that is nowhere near enough for the Rangers. Apparently, according to Mirtle, neither is Andreas Johansson. And according to Darren Dreger, who chimed in on Twitter, neither is Kasperi Kapanen.

Let’s just level set what these guys are saying. Johnsson, a 25 year old LW, is a middle-six forward who put up 20-23-43 last season. This year he has 6-10-16 in 33 games, on pace for 15-25-40 over 82 games. Let’s just call him a 15 goal, 40 point middle six winger. Kapanen is a 23 year old RW who has similar, but better, numbers to Johnsson. He has more offensive upside, but Johnsson is the more well-rounded player.

What this doesn’t tell us is how much more the Rangers are looking for in a trade. For all we know, it’s a sweetener like a late draft pick. It could also be something much more. It could just be them posturing. It makes sense to see what other offers are out there. The goalie market is weird, but the last goalie to be traded in this kind of situation was, if I remember correctly, Cory Schneider. He fetched the 7th overall pick way back when. Trades like this don’t come up that often.

All this leads me to believe that a deal with Georgiev is not done at the trade deadline. Very few playoff teams are willing to subtract a good off their current roster to add in any situation. Add in that the non-playoff teams that fancy themselves contenders are unlikely to do so either, thus the market runs a little dry. A move like this is more likely to happen at the draft, when teams aren’t disrupting chemistry or the locker room. Of course we know nothing of the current trade market status, so take that with a grain of salt. It’s going to be a fun six weeks heading into the trade deadline (Feb 24).

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    • I like the idea, but I want Skjei’s salary dump to pay for D’Angelo. So substitute Bracco for the higher Toronto salary.

    • I have heard this somewhere before:

      Richter1994 says:
      Jan 18, 2020 at 6:56 am

      So, here’s what I would do:

      Georgiev and Skjei to the Leafs for Kapanan, Johnsson, and Bracco. The cap space is a wash in this trade, so the Leafs can do it.

      Trade Strome for whatever they can get.

      Buyout Staal and Smith next year.

      Re-sign CK and ADA. And if there is room, re-sign Fast.

      • Way too ambitious. I think the cap( unless I read it wrong) hit for buying both out next year would be almost 7 million. Would have to give up CK and ADA

          • I just did an arm chair GM for 20-21 and the Rangers CANNOT keep both CK and Strome, one will have to go, even with buying out both Staal and Smith.

            I don’t know why all the negative feedback unless some of you cannot handle the truth.

  • I would love to have the Russian duo for our future but it doesn’t look like that will happen. I love Hank but I don’t understand why he wouldn’t want to go win a cup somewhere else. Does not every athlete want to win the big one? If I were Gorton and would go to him and Staal and tell them they won’t be playing anymore for this team and you see how fast they will wave their N.M.C. There one thing I know about hockey players and that is they want to play

  • There are a lot of different combinations that could be put together, by either side, all of which are affected by cap limitations as well as team needs. The problem with any Toronto deals is that neither team can afford to take on salary. JG is probably trying to make a deal with some team that would be willing to take on one (or more) of our higher paid excess players along with say, Georgiev and Skjei and/or Andersson, Howden, et al. There’s been some talk (from the Detroit side) of trading Georgiev to the Red Wings for Athananasiou, but I don’t think AA is enough to entice Gorton unless the Wings take someone like Staal or Smith along with him.

  • Doubt it’s just a late round sweetner, clearly it’s more than that.

    Andy, regarding Skjei fixing their needs, it’s been said they need a RD more than a LD — at least long term.

    • Rielly is out for another 7 weeks, and Muzzin has been hurt for the last 5 weeks. Muzzin is a free agent after this year, while Skjei is under contract for a while. They could use Skjei right now more than Georgiev.

  • Hmmm… how about Georgie and Skjei for Nylander and a 3rd rounder. I’m not giving him away. Toronto can’t afford to keep Nylander and if they need a RH defensemen, I’ll give them Tony D with Georgie for Nylander and a 2nd rounder.

    • Pipe dream. Your trade proposal would get Gorton laughed off the phone and maybe never called again.

      • And when Toronto goes out in the 1st round for the 4th consecutive year, it will probably cost Dubas his job. So let’s say, we remove the 2nd rounder, you wouldn’t consider a 50 point defenseman and potentially a number one goalie … Toronto is already spending 33 million on 3 forwards, why not free up 7 million by dealing Nylander ????

        • Nylander is a budding star. Toronto knows this. They’re also not dumb. IF Toronto were to trade him, they would be looking for fair value, not two expendible players from the Rangers. Cap relief is not enough to give away a top line player. They can find cap relief by trading their secondary players.

          • Fair enough. Most great teams are built from the net out. A budding star when you already have 3 current stars and your window is closing because of cap issues just doesn’t make sense to me. Toronto won’t be taking down Boston or Tampa with their current goalies and defenseman.

    • Then there’s the problem of Nylander’s salary. I’m not saying that he’s not worth it, it’s just that someone has to go to make room for him under the cap. Better to find a team that can eat some excess salary for us.

        • Re: the makeup of the Maple leafs, you’re right. They’re top heavy and there is an argument to be made that they should move a forward to bolster their D. Thing is they would be asking for top pairing defensemen and it would be a fair ask.

          • Would you trade Trouba for Nylander….. He’s not worth 8 million, I would rather keep Tony instead.

          • To Carlos, yes I would trade Trouba for Nylander straight up (not sure how realistic that is tho, cap wise).

  • No one is mentioning it, but Georgiev has to be traded as the Rangers won’t be able to protect both him and Shesty in the Seattle expansion draft. He’s an automatic pick by Seattle if left unprotected.

      • First and second year players are exempt. He will have just completed his second year. He’ll be a 3rd year player for the expansion season. Not sure if that second year exemption applies to the just completed season or the new season.

  • I was under the impression that Igor could play 10 games this season and somewhat protect his status (could be wrong). However, if it is true I certainly hope we see him play at least a handful more times before trading Georgie.
    But then, I am a big Georgie fan.

    The good news is that the FO can rely on Benoit Allaire to help them navigate the upcoming transactions.
    Safe to say Benoit knows the true value level of all three goaltenders.

  • I was under the impression that Igor could play 10 games this season and somewhat protect his status (could be wrong). However, if it is true I certainly hope we see him play at least a handful more times before trading Georgie.
    But then, I am a big Georgie fan.

    The good news is that the FO can rely on Benoit Allaire to help them navigate the upcoming transactions.
    Safe to say Benoit knows the true value level of all three goaltenders.

    • Great point and one reason why Georgiev is expendible is because the Rangers produce Georgievs pretty consistently. They are the envy of the league in developing goalies.

  • Just keep Georgie Already, unless, you bundle him with Skjei and bring back a nice offensive return.

  • Why not Skjei, Gorgiev, Buch for nylander their 1st or Bracco. Seems like a fair trade for both sides. Salary cap is a wash like stated above, Leafs get a replacement forward for nylander, we get either 1 or 2 nhl roster players. Im not giving up on Buch but its obvious how worth it Nylander would be. Big time upgrade from Buch and our top 2 lines would be incredible. Only issue would be still trying to sign ADA, Strome, Kreider in the off season. I think a Staal buyout is inevitable although I disagree with dead cap space moves.

  • This is closer to a reasonable trade proposal but you’d have to upgrade the D on the Rangers end (Skjei’s value isn’t great) and the Rangers would be giving up a 1st, not Toronto.

  • No on Brocco.

    Is there a realistic chance Lundkvist > ADA?

    Unless it is very likely, they should keep ADA.

    Skjei, Buch, Gorgiev–is there a team that would jump at this?

    If they can trade then resign Kreider in the summer that would be smart.However, re-signing traded UFA’s does not seem to be common. Personally torn on parting ways with CK.

    • It is crazy to trade a future 23 year old goalie who has nhl experience and can make your goalie situation with Igor incredible for years to come. Sit the old man..play for the future..this is a business and a sport..do what is right for the team’s future. Lundquist has been awesome no doubt..but that reign has past. No reason to drop Georgie to keep an old man in line up when the future with Georgie and Igor is SO bright. Don’t be stupid NYR!!?

    • Yes, that would solve the cap space problem. But, I don’t believe that is the way Hank or the Rangers want Hank to go out.

  • Go with the two best goalies Georgiev and Igor, and play Hank once every two weeks. Maybe then he will agree to get traded to a contender, even if we need to eat some of his salary. Enough with the loyalty crap. It’s a business and it is time to move on. Hank is getting 8.5 million a year, wasting cap space, has slowed down, and refuses to be traded. Where is the loyalty in that? Its about the team playing the best players and winning, period!

  • George and Smitty (Rangers retain some salary) for Kapanen and Hutchinson. Hutchinson is waived and sent to Hartford.

    • I laughed it off when I first read this, thinking that no one would take Smith.

      And then I thought about it. Not bad, and pretty fair. Leafs would be getting a cheap, potential #1 goalie. And they would get a capable D man.

      I like it.

  • It is crazy to trade a future 23 year old goalie who has nhl experience and can make your goalie situation with Igor incredible for years to come. Sit the old man..play for the future..this is a business and a sport..do what is right for the team’s future. Lundquist has been awesome no doubt..but that reign has past. No reason to drop Georgie to keep an old man in line up when the future with Georgie and Igor is SO bright. Don’t be stupid NYR!!?

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