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Rangers send Zuccarello to Dallas for pair of picks

And that’s it folks. Mats Zuccarello is headed to Dallas for a pair of draft picks.

It’s at least a 2nd and a 3rd, but could become more depending on how well Dallas does and if Zucc stays there.

Thank you Zucc. For everything.

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  1. Somewhat disappointing return. The resigning there? maybe. Dallas winning 2 play off rounds? Stranger things have happened? But highly doubtful.

    1. Not happy with return, but Rangers weren’t going to sign him…..still….this is my first critique of Gordon….

      1. We should have kept him and instead dumped Staal and Smith – 2 completely overpaid losers that hamper any rebuild

          1. joking aside any yutz can trade expiring UFAs for so-so returns, but it would take a real talent to trade those two. not sure Gorton is the latter.

      2. Personally I want to wish Zucc the very best in the future, he will be missed very much, especially with his big smile. He was the heart, and soul of the team but life goes on!!!!!!!!!

  2. I am so going to miss watching Zucc and his magical play making. He played the game with drive and determination and the Stars will be pleased with him. I can see him finishing his career in Dallas much like another highly skilled Ranger outcast by the name of Sergio Zubov.

    1. Don’t remind me, another screwed up trade — no wonder we couldn’t win another Cup in the 90’s.

  3. Disappointed in that return, Dallas won’t win 2 rounds … pretty shocked they couldn’t get at least a 1st. Too upset to write more about this.

    1. A whole lot in play: Dallas might not make the playoffs(but probably will.) If they get Winnipeg or Nashville they’ve got a chance to get out of the 1st round, but St. Louis is tough in the 2nd. Calgary they’re hoping that Mike Smith breaks down by then, which he usually does. If they can get past Calgary, they have a decent shot to get to the WCF.

      The deal is what you’d expect with a whole lot of upside potential.

      If Zucc is looking for 5 years at the tail end of his career, doing it in a state tax free place like Dallas is the way to go.

    2. I am sure it is because no one was offering one. And Zucc had to go. Really nothing to do with Gorton

  4. Dallas my new favorite team.

    At first glance thought it was a pretty lame return. But at least there are some conditions in there that are interesting.

    1. I could care less about any cap hit they retained. It comes off the books in a couple months and has absolutely zero impact on any other move this organization can make.

      1. +1 — the cost of business and it’s temporary. Being upset about retaining salary in a UFA year is just looking for an excuse to be “disappointed”

        1. You and Spozo are missing the point, not only did we trade Zucc for just a 2nd and 3rd, but we also retained salary which has to be worth something to Dallas — this should have garnered us an even better deal. I could care less about the money or the cap hit, I care that when you make a deal and retain salary that gets you a little extra. So where’s the extra?

          1. you’re missing the point: we have been told by Rangers reporters, people around the league, and “insiders” that what the Rangers got here is ENTIRELY consistent with what the market predicted this year. There was no extra to get. You can ignore this and wish for a pony or a unicorn all you want.

          2. Dallas had an additional $6mm of LTIR credits to use, so retaining salary was merely a function of giving Dallas the ability to swing for the fences on one more deal.

        2. The only consideration here, retaining cap space, is to get a better return on the trade, nothing more.

          So if the best the Rangers could get was a 2nd and they squeezed a 3rd out of it as well, by making the deal work cap wise for the Stars, then it paid off.

          Most NHL people were saying a 2nd and a B level prospect for Zuc, which is basically what the Rangers got.

          1. Of course. It was late in the game. I am sure all the deals were on the table. I trust they were capable of picking the best one. Don’t get the grousing. Other teams do not love Zucc as much as Ranger fans

          2. It’s emotions, that’s all.

            Part of the problem is that Zuc is not a goal scorer, and sometimes even refuses to shoot. That doesn’t play well with all GMs.

            It will be a 2nd and a 3rd, we all have to get used to it.

          3. T, told you Sunday was trigger day…… Maybe I am in the minority but I think Dallas can win two rounds, Zuc re-signing in Dallas, hmmm, some nice looking ladies in Dallas, maybe Zuc re-signs, that could be two first rounders but that is many moving parts must happen first, risky

      2. You should care. You can only retain so many salaries. Aren’t there some other contracts you would rather trade where you would have to retain salary? I’ve got a few that come to mind.

        1. One more slot this season(likely reserved for Hayes), still have Spooner for next season.

          1. I may be of bit also think you can’t re-sign a player traded with salary retained? (for the trade and re-sign zucc crowd)

          2. CBA 50.5(C)(1) Under no circumstances may a Club:
            Have in its Averaged Club Salary in any single League Year amounts attributable to more than three (3) Retained Salary SPCs for Players that the Club has Traded to other Club(s)

            Also, no more than 15% of the cap as retained 50.5(C)(2)

  5. We have to trade guys we should keep because we dish out ridiculous salaries for guys we should have never given the money to (Staal,Smith, etc) We will miss you Zucc. A true Ranger and class act who gave everything to the organization. I hope he wins a cup.

  6. Wasn’t the consensus that we would get a second rounder and a b-prospect for Zucc? Similar to Grabs… this is ok and could be much better.

    1. He will be missed big time. He played so much bigger than his size. Heart of a lion . No where near enough in return. What was Gorton thinking??

    2. Gorton always takes less than he should. ALWAYS! The man has no idea how to make deals. Almost every deal and every move he makes has some element in it that dilutes the return.

      That was the consensus… now expect JG to take a little less so the other team feels good about it. Unfortunately, that is his “style.” After last season’s deals, I’ve learned to expect a little disappointment in just about anything JG does.

      But this is also what happens when everyone knows you’re trading them…. and you backed yourself into a corner where you have to trade them. Gorton is a man who never learned how to use leverage in a deal. This year, he advertised himself giving up the leverage. Throw us a 5th or 6th rounder for McQuaid since we already have 8 d-men and nowhere for any of them to go. That’s how it works. Expect the return for Hayes to be disappointing as well.

  7. Very LOW return on Zucc trade. Ryan Dzingel, a less proven playoff performer, traded for Anthony Duclair, a 2nd in 2019 and a 2nd in 2020. Both of them are UFA. Disappointed. The chance for DAL to win 2 rounds is very slim, and Zucc may not sign with DAL or NYR.
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  8. If he re signs in NY in the off-season I won’t care that I was a little disappointed in the return the Rangers got for him.

    So we are rooting for a Dallas vs Tampa Bay Stanley Cup final with Tampa coming out on top?

    1. It’s my understanding that a NHL club can not resign a player for a year if they have previously retained his salary in a trade. As sad it is to see the gifted Hobbit leave New York, one has to come to grips that he is a Dallas Star now.

      1. That’s the first I’m hearing of that rule. Not saying I don’t believe just that I haven’t heard it.

        1. I heard it tonight on Hockey Night in Canada spozo. Also read the Hurricanes looking for a pivot. Very possible that is where Kevin Hayes will land.

          1. Saw it somewhere in relation to Hagelin too. Penguins might have wanted him back, but couldn’t because they retained salary when they moved him previously.

      2. Rangers cannot re-aquire a player’s SPC for 1 calendar year if retaining salary.

        Since Zucc is an upcoming UFA, they can sign him to a new SPC with no restrictions. CBA 50.5(C)(3)

  9. Rangers fan blog comment section = the land of unrealistic expectations. And, this in spite of everyone telling us that Zucc was not going to get more than a 2nd round pick + something. They weren’t wrong. It’s a reasonable/market appropriate return for a 31 year old winger. Not disappointed with the terms (and could be thrilled depending on the conditions being fulfilled). Disappointed Zucc is no longer a Ranger.

      1. Dzingel is younger and cheaper. So — what are we comparing in the two trades? The draft picks? That is pretty thin, considering the conditions attached to Zucc’s retun. Duclair? Whatever. Columbus gave him away.

        Try again, Larry.

        1. “Dzingel is younger and cheaper.” – Both of them are UFAs, and teams are making trades for playoffs. So “Younger” doesn’t mean a thing to teams right now and NYR is retaining 30% of Zucc’s salary.

          “Duclair? Whatever. Columbus gave him away.” – Why don’t Columbus give Duclair to NYR for free?

          Alos Zucc is a proven playoff performer, with more experiences and better stats compare with Dzingel.

          UNDERSTAND NOW?

          1. I understand that you have unrealistic expectations. But that’s pretty standard in the comment section. Carry on, Larry.

          2. You do not have enough intelligence to understand my comments…THAT, I fully understand.
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          3. I despise guys like you who talk to people with a condescending tone, at the same time you know absolutely NOTHING.
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          4. I’m with you Larry. I’ve often been accused of being a bit of an apologist for the FO (just a bit lol), but I think this trade was extremely underwhelming. Minimum should have been a real good prospect OR a 1st rounder, minimum.

          5. TCJJ is spot on and your analysis is lacking. Why?
            Deadline trades aren’t just for a playoff push, not if a GM is smart. Maybe a top Stanley Cup contender gambles for a better shot at the cup, but GMs of middling teams don’t give away assets for 20 games just to make the playoffs unless they want to get fired. Regardless of our feeling for Zucc, the facts point to Dzingel as being worth more in a deadline trade. He’s a 2-time 20 goal scorer who plays all 3 forward slots who is younger and cheaper. And that makes all the difference! The Bluejackets can resign him to a 5 year extension in the summer and he will still be younger than Zucc the first time Mats steps on the rink following an extension with Dallas. That’s 400 games plus playoffs of future value above what Zucc offers even if he ages well. When you consider both organizations futures (Columbus is younger, has more future cap space and they may trade Panarin to aquire more assets) then Dallas’s picks should be more valuable than Columbus.
            Did I hoped for a better return, sure. But I’m not buying a Florida waterfront mansion and hoping to hit the lottery to pay for it. You control what you can control, and I’m sure Gorton took the best deal offered.
            Those are are the facts, thumbs up to TCJJ and good luck Zucc!

          6. TCJJ is spot on and your analysis is lacking. Why?
            Deadline trades aren’t just for a playoff push, not if a GM is smart. Maybe a top Stanley Cup contender gambles for a better shot at the cup, but GMs of middling teams don’t give away assets for 20 games just to make the playoffs unless they want to get fired. Regardless of our feeling for Zucc, the facts point to Dzingel as being worth more in a deadline trade. He’s a 2-time 20 goal scorer who plays all 3 forward slots who is younger and cheaper. And that makes all the difference! The Bluejackets can resign him to a 5 year extension in the summer and he will still be younger than Zucc the first time Mats steps on the rink following an extension with Dallas. That’s 400 games plus playoffs of future value above what Zucc offers even if he ages well. When you consider both organizations futures (Columbus is younger, has more future cap space and they may trade Panarin to aquire more assets) then Dallas’s picks should be more valuable that Columbus.
            Did I hoped for a better return, sure. But I’m not buying a Florida waterfront mansion and hoping to hit the lottery to pay for it. You control what you can control, and I’m sure Gorton took the best deal offered.
            Those are are the facts, thumbs up to TCJJ and good luck Zucc!

  10. King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!!King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!!King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!!King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!!King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!!King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!!King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!! says:

    Hayes won’t fetch us much more either …. just sayin. Hopefully somebody takes him and we get some kinda pick back !

  11. The Dallas FO must really like Zucc, can’t blame them, so a Dallas re-sign is very possible. Those 2020 first rounders are gold! Supposedly really good draft year. I’m try to look on the bright side, Zucc was BY FAR, my favorite Ranger.

    1. Dallas barely a playoff team with Bishop playing above league average.

      If Zucc signs in Dallas and Bishop reverts to league average, you’re looking at a lottery pick.

      1. Never happen in a million years. The conditions were window dressing.

        Zuc never cared about $$ so the argument that Texas is a tax free state is irrelevant and someone put the Stars at getting to the WCF at less than 8%. Doesn’t mean that it cannot happen but who sees them beating the Preds or Jets?

        1. Zucc got hot boxed into his last deal, he wouldn’t be asking for 5 years if he didn’t care somewhat about money.

          As for beating Nashville or Winnipeg, look above to see how they’re playing in their last 10.

          1. Term is security, not $$ necessarily.

            Dallas may not even beat the Avs, no less the top 2 teams in the west.

          2. Both of Calgary’s goalies are below league average in sv%, San Jose currently all in on the immortal Martin Jones, Vegas riding Flower into the ground.

            If they get into that half of the bracket, they can get through if Zucc gets their 2nd line scoring.

  12. Does anyone really think Gorton passed up a better deal for this one, or believe he coulda held out for someone’s top prospect! Does anyone think he wanted to retain salary? He gets applauded for trading McLeod and the goalie for assets and now he’s a schmuck.

    I love Zucc, but he’s a pending UFA that right now is of no use to us, the rumor is he wants 5 years and he is 31 years old. You cannot compare Dzingel with this, it’s what an individual team wants. And I believe Gorton did the best he could.

    Step back and look … there are 2 potential #1 picks here, with the 2020 pick eminently possible. Great chance for a first and second rounder.

    Ask yourself, lovefest aside, is a 32 year old smallish winger for 5 years the best idea going into a rebuild? It was this, or Zucc plays out the season as a lame duck, and we get nothing… cause Gorton ain’t signing him going forward.

    1. Honestly I think so. I would rather 5 years of him then 3 or 4 more years of Shattenkirk. So yeah. And we have exactly who to replace him? I mean if gorton got a prospect and a low round pick, I would be happier. Not jumping up and down but happier. If he got a winger in return with limited nhl experience and a pick I would be even happier. Otherwise keep him. He can teach the new kids and be mentor to them.

      I mean grabner fetched a 2nd and rykov. And he has done exactly what?(Score some empty netters) He was 30 at the time of the trade.

  13. I am hoping the trade is a under the table deal where it is known that Zuc will sign in dallas. I just can’t see a guy from Norway wanting to live in Texas. That is where I hesitate on him resigning with Dallas.

    The odds dallas wins two rounds is not totally impossible, but highly unlikely.

    So we get a 2nd this year and a 3rd next year. Now is dallas on the up tick with their franchise? I don’t think so. Could be a high 3rd rounder or a high first in 2020. It is definitely a gamble.

    I think if Grabner got us a 2nd and Rykov….Zuc should have fetched way more. But maybe GM’s really don’t watch hockey and just go by stats. Maybe they really are that stupid or atleast the Devil’s GM? Who knows?

    I know one thing for sure about this trade….I am going to miss Zuc alot. Sorry to see him go and wish him the best of luck moving forward. He was a class act and lots of fun to watch.

    1. Grabner was fool’s gold. And the Devils bit. Two years of nearly 30 goals, perfect playoff sniper, didn’t work out, and we all knew that he was just part of the system. Gorton cashed in and should be praised for that one. So now it’s the “standard”?

      And I think we would’ve still bitched about a prospect and lower pick… l don’t think Gorton wants him back… so keeping him is/was a non-issue, IMO. My heart says re-sign him, my head is not that sure.

  14. Read something on Twitter that hit me as interesting… it said “so Dallas paid a second and third rounder for a 20 game rental?” First glance it seems like overpay… yep and then it hit me that Gorton took out an insurance policy should Zucc be more than just a rental. I’m giving Gorton kudos and I know it’s obvious but it is brilliant in its foresight.

    1. Have you looked at our draft history lately? A NYR 2nd round pick will likely not turn out to be much of anything. We don’t draft well which the organization needs to address. That should be part of our rebuild as well.

      1. Kaminsky, Anisimov, Callahan, Stepan, weren’t too bad as second round picks, right?????? You may want to rethink your post, just saying!!!!!!!!!!

      2. Last Year’s Draft was one of the Best the Rangers have ever had… First Round: Kravstov who will be here next season, Miller- exciting prospect and the best D-men in the NCAA this season, Lundquist- 18 yr. old Swedish kid playing in the SHL who is already developing a two-way game as a Right-handed d-men, Also, 4th round- Nico Gross- sleeper pick, kid has the potentially to be a very good 2nd pairing d-men. I mean, things are changing, Sather is not in the driver seat influencing Gorton to draft another McLlarth.

        Gorton has tried to move up the past two years and draft dynamic prospects but did not have the assets to do so, Building you’re farm system gives you the ability to do so, Relative to what the Yankees have been doing.

  15. For the last couple of hours or so of Ranger fans I have read (or heard } I have just noticed something very…….very real……. The positive Rangers fans say positive things and the fans I put under the category of fans who feel ” This Ranger Team Will NEVER Do Anything Right ” are negative…..Is it a great trade ?….Probably not….. But should we be negative about it ?….. Again probably not ! ……..LETS GO RANGERS !!!!!

    1. Except I’m usually the positive one and I think this is a bad trade — now of course it could turn out better and of course this might have been the best thing offered to Gorton …. these things are possible, but regardless it’s less than his worth when Boyle got a 2nd rounder and when Dzingel fetched more. In all honesty I would have preferred a 1st rounder and a 4th rounder, hell even just a 1st. Hopefully the FO strikes gold with one or both of these picks, but I feel Zucc should have brought home less quantity and more quality.

      PS: I’m still not buying that he expected to get a 5-6 year deal like Uncle Larry suggested, but time will tell.

      1. I’m disappointed as well. The “conditions” feel more illusory than genuine — can’t see Dallas advancing 2 rounds, and are they realistically going to re-sign Zucc knowing it will cost them a 1st rounder? So we’re essentially left with a 2nd and a 3rd — not terrible since we’re getting a 2nd, but a little less than I was expecting.

  16. Nobody talks about the other pick???

    We also get next year’s 3rd Rounder which turns into a 2nd should Zuuc re-sign and play a minimum of 30 games with Dallas.. So, if Zuuc can’t sign here, I hope he at least re-ups with Dallas.

  17. I’ve have been preaching that rentals often do not bring back big returns. A 31 year-old winger, even with Zucc’s obvious talents as a playmaker isn’t a physically dominating 2 way sniper like Rick Nash who they dealt last year to Boston. It is a buyer’s market out there. Zucc is a good player, someone who has played his heart out of the Rangers but it is a certainty that Gorton just got the best offer he was made. To think he passed by better ones doesn’t make sense.

    1. Peter

      If we think about it, Zucc was a free agent when we got him. He played for us how many good years, and provided us with some wonderful memories. Having said that, and our inability to re-sign him, we got a decent return for what cost us essentially nothing. Good luck little guy, we all love you!!!!!!!!!!!

  18. Ryan Dzingel is 26 years old and a 6 foot tall player who has 22 goals thus far this season. To think that Zucc and Ryan Dzingel are comparable doesn’t make much sense.

  19. Here’s my protected list as of today:

    Zibanejad
    Kreider
    Buchnevich
    Chytil
    Howden
    Strome(?)
    Andersson

    Skjei
    Deangelo
    Claesson

    Georgiev

    Can this list be made better between today and trade deadline 2021? Possibly. Looking for exempt wingers mostly and an upgrade on Claesson. Rangers have Gettinger, Ronning, Day & Hajek as RFA that year. Looks like Halverson is gonna get a QO just to get exposed.

    But that’s not a bad group going forward, have players to dangle to upgrade the forward 7.

      1. Who on the current 50 man roster are you keeping him over? Because there are none. Everybody else besides the 3 listed are either UFA or RFA in 2021 and even Claesson & ADA are RFA next year.

        Now you can argue you can upgrade on those 3 defencemen, but you can’t say you wouldn’t protect him because he’s literally the only D asset under contract.

        1. I understand that he is the most viable d-man under contract. But, is he the most valuable per his contract? Maybe. If not, then it would benefit the Rangers to shed his contract and giving them tons more flexibility in a rebuild. If an expansion team wants him I say let him go, I’m not sure he’s worth it. That 5 mil plus cap hit can be used elsewhere.

          1. He’s the *only* D that is under contract.

            You could actually expose him for the expansion, but that’s Garth Snow levels of stupid.

  20. Only one thing to say:

    ZZZZZZZZZZZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

    Thank you brother. Tear it up in Dallas.

    1. Dallas is now my second favorite team. Love Bishop anyway since he played for Maine. Zuuuuuuuuuuuc…☹️

      1. King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!!King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!!King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!!King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!!King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!!King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!!King Sieveqvist!! King Sieveqvist!! says:

        I’ll just say what Kevin Weekes said on NHL network . Zuccarello Zuccarello Zuccarello Zuccarello Zuccarello! The trade was ok , can be better. He wants a 5 year deal to which I’m so happy they didn’t cave in and hand out another junk contract. Bravo on that !

  21. A week ago I would say they should wait on this. Coming to the wire I am sure this was the best they could do. They did not want to go down to the last second on this deal. They will probably move Hayes with time to spare, too. I refuse to argue with love affair fans. I dont watch hockey to drool over my heroes.

    1. My mole tells me that the Rangers have a deal in place to move Hayes and are working on several other possible trades….looking like Rangers will stay the rebuild course and have committed 1000 percent to Quinn getting us to the promise land.

      1. Hey bro, after all is said and done, Quinn has done a pretty good job in his first year, especially given the circumstances.

        Ruff’s services are no longer needed.

  22. Rock and Tony, I mentioned since last July about Quinn to you guys, everything you are seeing is happening, He is one of the few NHL coaches that truly cares about his players and I think he will remain that way as his tenure goes on in the NHL with the Rangers. Coach Crawford was similar when he first got the gig with Colorado, however after he won the cup in 1996 and moved on from Colorado to VAN, Crawford changed and players were not always happy playing with Crawford.

    Quinn puts extra time on the ice with young players, you’re seeing this with Tony “Philly” DeAngelo. Also, Coach Oliver is a good coach and he is really close with Quinn and brings the same approach to the players. Chris Canty ( x-NY Giants) loves Quinn, his favorite coach in NYC, this coming from a former athlete and Super bowl champ.

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