Penguins dismantle Rangers with strong second period

The Rangers came into last night’s debacle looking to make it three wins in a row. Suffice it to say, they did not. After a relatively strong first period, the Blueshirts fell apart in the second, surrendering four goals en route to a complete rout.

Not one Ranger looked good in this one, which is par for the course. But Henrik Lundqvist couldn’t save the Rangers from themselves in this one, as he had a non-elite night. This also showed us that despite their slow start, the Penguins are for real.

Let’s rip the band-aid off and get through the breakdown.

Pens 1, Rangers 0

This is just awful coverage. Inexcusable, quite honestly. But also the norm for the year.

Pens 2, Rangers 0

A lot of people jumped all over Marc Staal on this one, but it’s really just unlucky. He was mauling the guy in front, the puck just hit his stick. Hockey happens sometimes.

Pens 3, Rangers 0

Pavel Buchnevich got pick pocketed and then Kris Letang did what he does. Not a good play by the kid.

Pens 3, Rangers 1

This is a great deflection by Ryan Strome and a great screen by Vlad Namestnikov. Nothing else to it.

Pens 4, Rangers 1

So much goes on here. First, the Kevin Hayes giveaway at the blue line to start the Pens rush. Then both defensemen with both skates in the circle (something Vally pointed out was bad). Then Hayes slow to back check. Also all five Rangers coasting and watching the puck. Just terrible.

Pens 5, Rangers 1


Pens 5, Rangers 2

This is a good play by Fredrik Claesson here to drive the net, get the shot, and collect his rebound, and get it to the front for Buch to bury. In regards to the Penguins defense, they have two guys behind the net, but this is a tough one, since Claesson is cutting over to the left side, and at that point someone is supposed to cover for the defenseman leaving the slot.

Pens 6, Rangers 2

Can I stop now?

Pens 7, Rangers 2


Shot Heatmap

This may show the Rangers with more shot attempts, but let’s be real here, the Penguins sat back and just waited for the Rangers to screw up. Which they did.

There was nothing good about this game. Let’s just move on to the next.

69 thoughts on “Penguins dismantle Rangers with strong second period

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 7:11 am

    No one t should be above being traded, man that was bad.

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 7:50 am


    But I must say I expected more of these types of games at the start of the season, let’s hope it kicks some tires and lights some fires. I thought #72 stepped up his level a little bit, but the Pens make teams pay for any mistake, no matter how small.

    I just do not like #76. I know many feel he is going to become something special, but I just don’t see it. trade him for a deeper rebuild.

    speaking about trades, last nights game sure does feel like the reason this team may need to make trades, and now. Hayes, Zuccarello, perhaps others too that have value, get picks, re-build more, don’t get starry eyed that we are hovering just outside a wildcard spot.

    boy, they came into the garden and wrecked the joint!


  • Jan 3, 2019 at 7:54 am

    This team sucks. This coach is more of the same nonsense, lots of talk, but basically concerned with wins and losses. I hope last night is Quinn’s wakeup call.

    I hope last night puts an end to the talk of resigning Hayes—for all his skills, he’s not a difference-maker against good teams with good centers like Pittsburgh, Tampa, Boston, Washington, etc. Hayes feasts off bad teams, gets hot for a month, and then vanishes. It’d be a disaster to sign him for 6-7 years at the $$ he’ll command—let him be some other team’s declining albatross.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 8:33 am

      M. C., You usually have some decent insight, sarcastic at times but very knowledgeable .
      Is it better we have a coach was wants to lose? Nobody expected this record for the Rangers so far this year. I believe Quine has done a good job with this team so far. The young players faded out as can happen with immature players so young. Some players will be traded soon. I never was a Hayes fan (Mr. Ditsy Doodle), but his play at the end of last year and this year, has been very good overall. He is to slow for some of the faster teams, but not always overmatched. I don’t think he is going to get much better in the future, so if we can get a number 1 pick, go for it.
      Last night against the Penguins, Quine should have started his backup goalie. Hank stood on his head the previous game, and could have used more time off. Quine blew that one

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 8:55 am

        I understand that coaches don’t want to lose, but Quinn’s shortsightedness is gonna hurt this team in the long run. If the team is garbage, why does Marc Staal play so much? Why does McQuaid play at all? These are 31 and 32-year old players whose skillsets are abandoning them with each passing day. How in the hell does playing either of these corpses on skates help NYR next season, let alone this one?

        The public Hamlet-style posturing over Hayes is ridiculous too. By the time NYR is legitimately able to be a contender again, Hayes will be nearly 30. Get a haul for him, and plummet to the league bottom already.

        Enough half measures. Quinn was hired to develop youth, and he’s not doing it. Getting great years from Kreider and Hayes this year is nice, but that’s more due to the maturation of each individual player than the coach’s methods.

        • Jan 3, 2019 at 9:52 am

          What he said!

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 10:48 am

        Part of me agrees Hank could have watched this one from the bench, BUT, you can’t say he wasn’t the one telling Quinn he wants the home win. Hank is the star, he is very competitive, hasn’t lose at home this year in reg…

        I can’t say whether or not him starting wasn’t solely up to Quinn…

        further, MGT may want homes wins, ticket sales are important too…

        just MO


    • Jan 3, 2019 at 9:59 am

      If Hayes sucks so bad…then why would all the top teams looking to win the cup want him? Let’s get a mid to late first for him and a b level prospect. I also have zero faith in Clark and Gorton when it comes to the draft. All this team needs is another high character Finn/Swede guy with limited skill.

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 10:25 am

        I didn’t say Hayes sucks. I said the team sucks. And the problem with Hayes is that his upcoming multiyear contract won’t coincide with when NYR will be a legitimate contender again. I think Hayes is a good player; I thought Derek Stepan was a good player too, whose contract was just about to become a problem for NYR when Gorton traded him. Neither player is/was worth 6 years/$39 million with a no-movement clause.

        And as far as Kevin Hayes, difference-maker: his playoff career has been underwhelming, and he doesn’t ever seem to raise his game against Malkin/Crosby, Backstrom/Kuznetsov, Bergeron/Krejci etc, etc. That’s the next step in Hayes’ progression as a player, and it’s a step I don’t think he’s going to make.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 1:40 pm

      I agree with you a lot MC, but I have to disagree with you on the coach. His hands are tied by Sather and Clark upstairs. So judging Quinn is very difficult.

      Similar to Gorton. If he’s really in charge and making all the GM decisions, then we can say “yea or nay” as to what he’s doing. But the same thing here. Sather is meddling, so as I have said since the summer, there is no plan (one faction wants rebuild and one faction wants playoffs this year). And then Panarin is in play during the offseason.

      As I said to Peter in the previous thread, Hayes stays then Sather is at it again. Hayes gets traded, then maybe Gorton won the battle of control. And then they truly rebuild from within. Which would mean, go for the top picks, get more high picks and prospects, and then Panarin is probably not in play, unless they improve the talent at the top of the line up, that they feel will help the kids, overall.

      Watch the moves to come, and don’t listen to the BS talk.

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 2:05 pm

        I’m sorry Richter, but how the hell do you know that Sather is in charge? Why do people constantly make this assumption? JG was destined to get a GM job in the NHL years ago, why would he purposely choose to stay in NY to take a GM’s job that was illusory? Why would he subject himself to being controlled by Sather? Why do you now insist that even Clark is somehow “above” JG in the decision-making hierarchy?

        … and where does this Hayes comment come from? Why do you assume that if he stays this has to do with Sather more than this has to do with Quinn and JG, 2 New England guys like Hayes. For the life of me I can’t understand all this Sather hatred at this point in time, this need to still blame Sather for what??? Drafting Jessiman? Hiring Trottier? Signing Redden? What?

        I’ll tell you what Sather did, he created a winning culture here after the first lockout. Sure, his record taking over in 2000-04 was poor (Smith did leave him with a pretty bare cupboard of prospects) … but since 2005, despite some hiccups and mistakes, he did a pretty good job and gave us some very entertaining teams that came pretty close to a SC. Regardless though he hasn’t been at the helm now for a few years. Does JG lean on him, does he solicit advice from an older more experienced hockey mind? Sure … and he would be foolish not to, but to suggest or imply that Sather controls JG assumes a lot — and with no evidence or even logic behind it.

        • Jan 3, 2019 at 3:41 pm

          “but to suggest or imply that Sather controls JG assumes a lot — and with no evidence or even logic behind it.”

          I’m saying that it is very possible but I cannot show you why that might be.

          But if you connect the dots on the hierarchy of the Rangers: Dolan-Sather-Clark-Gorton-Drury-Quinn, and you know that Dolan has given Sather a job for life, regardless of the results, then one might speculate that Sather has the right to override Gorton on personnel and the direction of the team. Sather is Gorton’s boss, that’s a fact, that’s not a guess.

          The McQuaid trade has Sather’s prints all over it. It was totally unnecessary and caused a logjam of players at similar talent levels on the back end. So if draft picks are valuable assets, then why spend one on McQuaid (4th rounder) and then now try to trade him at this trade deadline? For maybe less than what they got him for?

          If you’re happy with what Sather has done for the past 20ish years, that’s fine, and I know that you don’t want to hear this, but I wonder what his “success” rate would have been if Hank weren’t his goalie for most of those years.

          And before you say it, Sather had to be coerced into drafting Hank by a European scout, because Sather knew nothing about Hank, so he spent, what Sather thought, was a meaningless 7th rounder on Hank, just to shut the scout up. It was pure luck, not a drafting strategy that got Hank here.

          Sather has a lot of “misses” on his Ranger resume. He signed a lot of FAs and re-signed a lot of Rangers that eventually did not finish their Ranger contracts with the Rangers. And he’s currently got $25M locked up into a D corps that absolutely sucks and is currently killing the team, overall.

          Then there’s the draft. Even Brooks said it last week, that you would think that just once the Rangers would pick an elite forward, just out of luck or probability, and he’s (Brooks) a Ranger/Sather shill. Maybe Cherpanov (RIP) was that guy and of course no one is to blame there.

          But Montoya (a goalie) at #6 overall, Blackburn (another goalie) at #10 overall, Jessiman (when any other pick would have been better in that draft), and McIlrath at #10 overall, were all horrific draft picks, all chosen by Gordie Clark, Sather’s boy. And we can debate the lack of first round picks for 5 straight years (I personally understand why they did trade them to “go for it” so I cannot kill Sather for that, but plenty of other Ranger fans do).

          So, your “anger” or “frustration” is pointed in the wrong direction. Instead of defending this guy, sit back and look at the product over his 20 years here. This is not the midwest or the south, NY has every available financial resource available to them, every single year. What they do with those resources is up to them. And in general, their asset management is terrible. Example #1 is $25M tied up into a D that sucks. Don’t blame me, blame them.

          • Jan 3, 2019 at 5:28 pm

            There’s a salary cap, so any real competitive advantage re: players’ salaries that once existed hasn’t been an issue for the last 13 years …

            Blackburn was a damn good young goalie decimated by a freak injury. He was a frickin’ teenager who played two seasons behind a TERRIBLE team yet still held his own (he was rushed, Hank was not). We’ll never know just how good Blackburn could have been … On the other hand Montoya was a screw up although he carved out a long career as a backup, but the NHL draft has a long history of 1st and 2nd round Goalie picks that failed to live up to their promise. There’s a good reason why teams NOW stay away from drafting goalies in the 1st round, as a general rule … but not prior to the lockout.

            That may be the hierarchy in the organization but it’s pretty much always the GM’s final call with regard to player decisions — again, Gorton could have had his pick of a number of GM positions throughout the League, why wait an extra year or two as he did for Sather to retire if he wasn’t promised control. I believe Sather’s position is more ceremonial (the lifetime job) than of control, it is more advisory than day to day. Re: Dolan, he’s like any owner – for the most part they don’t interfere with day to day decisions, they don’t tell the GM who to draft or what type of team to field on the ice (aside from wanting a winning team). I’m sure in some rare circumstances, like Hank, the owner (or President) may want a say … but Kevin Hayes? Don’t make me laugh. You even slot Clark over JG and I have no clue why.

            Re: Hank, that’s your answer when anything positive is said about the Rangers. You would think teams fielded one player, the goalie and that’s it. This is a team sport. Re: the drafting of Hank … Sather was in charge but in part because of the lateness of his hiring he was willing to let the then current staff (led by Maloney) run the table. So if you want to give all the credit to the European scout (Rockstrom, who was just doing his job), then you might want to consider giving Sather a pass on a player like Jessiman who was pushed on him by Maloney. It works both ways, but personally I think it’s always the GMs responsibility in the end. So credit Sather with Hank and discredit him for Jessiman – although one could argue injuries and Jessiman coming out early from Dartmouth limited his chances of becoming an NHL player.

            • Jan 3, 2019 at 6:37 pm

              “That may be the hierarchy in the organization but it’s pretty much always the GM’s final call with regard to player decisions — again, Gorton could have had his pick of a number of GM positions throughout the League, why wait an extra year or two as he did for Sather to retire if he wasn’t promised control.”

              Bro, have you ever been lied to in your life? Been promised something and it did not go that way? Or the “intentions” were changed midstream? It’s possible that what was intended for Gorton and what has actually transpired may be 2 different things. Do you honestly believe that George Steinbrenner, an owner, did not interfere with his GM and Manager? lol.

              Coach Q won 3 Cups and got fired. THREE!! And got fired. Sather is here 20 years, no Cups, and there’s no end in sight to his reign (nor a Cup for that matter). Not a good thing for the Rangers or the fans. He’s outdated when it comes to today’s NHL, as the signings of G, Staal, and D Boyle, while the release of Stralman tells you all you need to know.

              BUT, Dolan loves him, so he stays. Sather loves Staal, so he stays and plays every game. See, it’s not about winning, because they would rather keep their friends than make good business decisions for the team. As long as the franchise is the most valuable in the league, then no worries.

              Cynical? Not at all. Thinking that big corporations care about the common person is naive and delusional. As long as the tickets are sold then they’re all happy. But they cringe when they don’t make the playoffs because there’s a lot of revenue that goes out the door. So there’s the focus. Not win the Cup, but to make sure the financial coffers are full.

              And that’s why, that little 9-1-1 run, only encouraged them to think that maybe the playoffs are a possibility, this year. They are around .500 and both close to the top and the bottom at the same time. So let’s see which way they go as we approach the trade deadline.

              As for Hank, man, you just don’t see it. The current team is near .500 and yet they are near the bottom of 5 on 5 SOG and total goals for. So Hayes is great, Kreider is great, Zib is great, etc., and yet, the stats for the TEAM say otherwise.

              The 2012 was a tremendously hard working team that pulverized themselves by blocking every shot that they could possibly block. The 2014 and 2015 teams had legit chances to win it all. But that’s it. The Ranger playoff teams prior to 2012 had one line that did all the scoring. And I wish I could find and post charts, because there is a chart that shows that Hank is by far and away the best goalie in the playoffs of his era. It’s not close.

              So believe what you want.

        • Jan 3, 2019 at 4:28 pm

          While I don’t necessarily agree, I don’t think it defies logic.
          Sather is the president,
          Gorton is the GM,
          The president is higher on the org chart than the GM,
          Therefore, Rather is Gorton’s boss.

          Thus, the premise is not logic defying, IMO.

          • Jan 3, 2019 at 4:51 pm


          • Jan 3, 2019 at 5:32 pm

            Yes, the President is higher on the organizational chart … but the reason it defies logic is because that isn’t how the vast majority of teams are run (I wanted to say all 31 teams but I hate to be an absolutist). Now unless he has some evidence to the contrary, the logical assumption is that the Rangers are run like the vast majority of teams out there where the GM is in charge of decisions re: personnel.

            • Jan 3, 2019 at 7:27 pm

              Intelligence and common sense are 2 totally separate things. I can answer a question you had as to why anyone would be interested in being a false GM for the NY Rangers….Starts with a M and ends in a Y …it is the reason the vast majority of us don’t leave this hell hole of a city. And as to why he also left a great thing in Boston. That owner is notoriously cheap. So pretty easy to see if you had common sense. But I am not saying you are stupid. ?

              Alright so break down of history for you cause you are a young fan.

              So the year 2000 is the year he took over….4 seasons with the highest budget in the league by far. Not a single playoff appearance and tons of veteran talent on these teams. Then the lockout. Then swept in the first round by the devils. That is 6 years of nothing. Following year beat the thrashers an expansion team that never once had made the playoffs, but followed that with a 6 game loss to Drury and the sabres. Next year 5 gamed the devils out and then got ousted the same way by Pitt. Couldn’t get past the second round for 2 years. Then the caps beat them in 7 games. Then no playoffs the next year. Then the caps took them in 5 games. After that we started to be a real team. Conference finals and a cup appearance etc. 15 and 21 for a playoff record in 10 years. During that same stretch Bowman and the wings had 3 Cups chances and walked away with 2. We never even came close to making the conference finals.

              You just knew as a fan they were not in the same league as the Red Wings or the Avs. It wasn’t even close. Bunch of overpaid retirees that Sather just sheltered. Not a single heart amongst them. Then Jagr showed up and it started to change. The culture changed and the city itself changed.

              Lets put this all in context…who do you think has the highest paid staff in the league? Who has the most scouts in the league? Who was one of the first franchises to have a separate rink for practices in the nhl? This is the New York Yankees of hockey. They can outbuy almost every other franchise in the league for the exception of toronto. And to this day I have to listen to Dan Rosen who sounds like he is drunk and just can’t remember who is playing. Has to be some level of accountability.

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 8:16 am

    Also, Ryan Spooner is listed as the first Ranger goalscorer instead of Ryan Strome.

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 8:20 am

    We are not that great of a team when we win and we are not that horrible when we lose. When you play against a perennial playoff team like the Pens, any mistake gets magnified. We just cannot depend on Hank every game to stand on his head and keep us in games. We need a full team effort, which we did not see last night. Our first line was invisible last night, as they played against a good solid defensive pair. All good teams feast on the lesser teams. We are a lesser team this year.

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 8:30 am

    I just don’t get why ADA sat…add Shattenkirk to the list…And Hank waive your NTC it’ll be a win win win for all.

    Last night everyone took a night off. It happens during a long season. What’s going on with Zucc? Move on to the next game.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 8:53 am

      Its time to trade Zuccarello. Sooner rather then later. He’s checked out from the Rangers.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 9:10 am

      Happy New Year Leather! You already know King ain’t going anywhere. We win it’s all him,we loose it’s on the team.

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 12:21 pm

        Now Sieve. Hank himself, and most of his fans on this site (including his biggest fan yours truly) said Hank had a bad game. The point is that when he is not on his A game they usually lose because they just aren’t skilled enough to survive average or below average goaltending.

        • Jan 3, 2019 at 12:53 pm

          I know ur his biggest fan ? … it’s just an observatio. We both agree he probably should have sat either last night or maybe the game before. He should probably imo sit the A-Star game.

          • Jan 3, 2019 at 2:13 pm

            Probably true about the All-Star game but he won’t do it. Quinn needs to manage him better regarding starts and pulls (fits and starts?). That’s a learning curve for a rookie coach with a superstar “face” of the franchise.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 1:28 pm

      IF Hank did waive his NTC, what would happen anyway? It is hard to imagine that any general manager would give up a seventh round draft pick to get him (remember his huge contract and cap hit). Maybe they could do something by retaining half his salary or by throwing in say Lias Andersson, but no matter, the trade would be an embarrassment to Hank. He has to know that.

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 2:16 pm

        Unless a team like Toronto finds itself without their starting goalie (Andersson on IR). Toronto is built to win. They or someone in their shoes might be willing to take on Hank so long as NYC keeps a big chunk of salary. I heard somewhere that Pitt actually asked about him last year when Murray was out with his 2nd or 3rd injury. But it’s moot because he’s not going anywhere…

        • Jan 3, 2019 at 2:37 pm

          The problem is that NYC can’t retain more than half of his salary. Toronto for example has Mitchell Marner and Austin Matthews as RFAs and will have a hard time even absorbing $4M going forward. I suppose if they could unload Andersson….

          Of course, while you and I agree that Toronto would be a legitimate Cup challenger with the 2005-2013 Lundqvist, I don’t think Toronto or any other team could win this year with Hank in net. I suspect some general managers agree with me and some with you on this point.

          My original point though was that Hank has to know that his legacy is better served by maintaining the illusion that the Rangers could get a lot for him.

          • Jan 3, 2019 at 5:05 pm

            Without counting Hank’s rough night yesterday he has been ranked very highly all year in the analytics community. Top 10 in GSAA and very high in a number of other categories. He’s been getting it done and that does not go unnoticed. But again it’s moot because he ain’t going anywhere…

            • Jan 3, 2019 at 6:05 pm

              The analytics community has been atrocious in their evaluation of Lundqvist in the last five years, so I really have my doubts that their assessment means anything. Of 40 tenders who have played 17+ games, Hank is 20th in save percentage. Given the fact that Ranger defense is likely below average, 15th is perhaps a better assessment. Thinking about actual games, he has often been brilliant this year, but there have also been numerous clinkers (none so bad as yesterday admittedly). Didn’t he have maybe four games in a row last month with a soft goal.

              But even if he were the 10th best goalie in the game, who wants a 36 year old on the downward slide with a huge contract that has two more years to run.


              Seriously though, my problem with Lundqvist is that the coaches defer to him and it messes up the team. Otherwise, trading him now, even if he would give up his NTC is of no value. He would net little in return; the Rangers don’t have a third goaltender that can really play and frankly we do not even know yet if Georgiev is a legitimate NHL tender.

              But it’s attitude. A Lundqvist who was keeping the kid defenders from embarrassment would be great. A Lundqvist who has people making scapegoats of the defensemen is not.

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 8:37 am

    Gee the defense was a lot better with DeAngelo on the bench, wasn’t it? 🙂

    I don’t get it. Perhaps I never will.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 1:42 pm

      Add me to the list my friend.

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 9:07 am

    This is a “teaching year”. Quinn is sitting guys who are not drinking his Kool-aid. Guessing there will be some surprise moves at the deadline that no one saw coming. He wants the team to work and react certain ways. Clearly having 8 defenseman on the roster isn’t helping the development of Tony D. I can see him and Smith being shopped as well as Shatty at the deadline.

    Also think a guy like Namesnekov is a Quinn fave. Don’t see him moving on at the deadline. Zucc must go and maybe Hayes, but a guy like Fast will also stick around.

    Quinn may still think he is coaching college with some of these moves. So far they have been playing better than expected.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 10:12 am

      Regardless of what was said by mgt. prior to the beginning of the season, leadership is always pushing to make the playoffs…This season is about transition to expect playoffs is about as possible as any of us stepping on dog-poop and hitting the lotto at the same time.Playoffs would only happen if Hank stands on his head juggling pucks before they cross the goal line….each and every game……Very few Rangers are untouchables….so we could be in for one hell of a trading deadline day…….

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 10:30 am

    I call this game the WHY GAME?
    Why did the coach keep Hank in for so long?
    Why is Fast on Kreiders line?
    So many more whys, I can’t go on.
    They did play a good first period.

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 11:20 am

    That was a tough loss last night, but eye opening. This team is marginal and that’s the problem. They are not a play off contender and they don’t suck. Although they did suck last night. If they sucked you see a top 5 draft pick in sight. If they are good you see the play offs…but they are in no man’s land right now and you see both slipping away.

    We can’t compete with Tampa, Toronto, Winnipeg, Nashville and we won’t be competing with teams like that for a while. They need to tear down further. Hank needs to play about 2/3 of the games at most. It would be a good idea to start moving some folks out and clearing cap space. And not just draft picks, but hockey trades too. We need some serious help on D. If we look to move guys we need back some NHL ready players. We want to move Kreider or Hayes for example we need great returns including NHL ready players.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 12:53 pm

      On your last point, Be careful what you wish for. The hot streak by Spooner last year ? Likely cost a shot at Quinn Hughes . id rather top picks/prospects. Call up meskanen etc

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 2:16 pm

        I hear you Agent, and don’t disagree with your point, but we also need the team to improve. Not all the picks and prospects will pan out. We need some assurances. And a forward for a D man type of trade, that lands us a solid D man in return, for example, is something we also need to do. There’s no quick fix to making the team competitive, and most things should be on the table at this point. Our biggest need is by far a top 4 D men. Preferably a top pair.

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 11:52 am

    I call the rangers a twenty minute team right now. The goalie needs to stand on his head the other 40. Also too much of that pass first mentality.

    They need to continue the process of filtering out players from the old guard . Hayes zucc for starters .

    the defense will be a longer project but you’d think one or two of the 15 we drafted can make it ?

    They need to stop focusing on revenue in may and start planning for 2019/20 and beyond.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 11:56 am

      while I still have doubts in Gordie/Gordon talent selection… You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take… Or don’t have. Also , the lias pick was before they were officially rebuilding.

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 1:20 pm

        lmao…already fans calling out Quinn….Quinn has to play the vets in hopes of teams calling for their services…..true it takes away ice time for the youngsters, but I’m sure this is the reason u are seeing heavy minutes for Staal and some of the other vets…..we need to flip these players asap…..

        • Jan 3, 2019 at 6:37 pm

          Oh Rocky, stop making so much sense! The same people that are complaining about the vets playing, for just the reason you stated, would be the same ones blaming management if they didn’t get enough at the trade deadline, if they didn’t play.

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 1:20 pm

    My God, can some of you just take a deep breath and relax. One day everybody clamors for them to lose games, the next day everybody bemoans that they lost a game. 7-2, 5-4 whatever, they can’t be all 1 goal losses … but this wasn’t a true 7-2 game. Look at the replays, on the 1st goal Shattenkirk’s stick was held .. no call … some confusion and *bam*, a goal … the 2nd goal, contrary to Dave’s interpretation was on Staal IMO … 3rd goal, Buch is slashed on the hands, no call and a goal. Besides, some of the goals were some wicked shots that Hank, even on a good day, might not stop. Now a better team might have fought back a bit better from all that and they didn’t, but this is a team in the Twilight zone, in transition, the regular rules/criticisms shouldn’t apply.

    At the last deadline this team ripped out of the lineup circa 80 goals and their best d’man, you can’t replace that in a summer Unless you have the good fortune to sign 2 or 3 top UFAs — and we all knew that wasn’t going to happen, that wasn’t even available. Patience, this will take a little time and we will have to take our lumps … the process isn’t seamless.

    Some out there whine and complain that not enough youngsters are playing and getting quality minutes so they can develop at a faster rate, but when one of the young-ins makes a few mistakes all I hear are complaints that the Rangers don’t know how to draft, that there’s not enough young talent (especially elite) — Pionk can’t play defense, Chytil isn’t consistent enough, ADA isn’t good enough, Andersson isn’t making an impact right away, etc. Oh Lord, whatever happened to letting young prospects mature before heaping on them the responsibility of some standard of illusory perfection? Before a game everyone claims that they’re OK with mistakes as long as the youngsters play, after the game those same people pick their game apart (and the FO by extension) like a vulture on a fresh carcass.

    Peace out.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 2:40 pm

      Hey Tanto, I wasn’t upset at the drubbing they took at the hands of the Penguins. The Penguins have some elite players and I expected them to be able to outplay the Rangers. Losses don’t bother me at all. What bugs me is that the team’s priority seems to be winning a few more games instead of development.

      Andersson was brought up, played 7 minutes a game, then sent down yo-yo fashion while burning the ELC and playing with his psyche. It would have made much more sense to either play him getting him at least 13 – 14 minutes a game with the big club, or to have left him in Hartford where he was playing top line minutes. DeAngelo, who obviously has made a lot of progress but needs to make more, has sat most games since McQuaid returned. McQuaid is a fading player who should be insurance, not playing instead of your young defensemen like Claesson and DeAngelo. Brendan Smith should be trade bait. Maybe Shatty should be too. I’d rather some call ups of guys like Gilmour and Hajek happen than keep the older fading players around.

      Yeah they would stink most nights. But they would still play hard and the kids would gain experience. The club would figure out who they want to keep out of them all. But at the moment the club seems to be aiming for mediocrity with no real plan. In my opinion, Quinn should not care too much about winning. He should care most about effort, absorbing the lessons and development. But it seems having a better chance to win guides some of his moves.

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 3:00 pm

        Possibly the Rangers want to deal McQuaid at the deadline and want to showcase him as much as possible. A low-salaried marginal veteran defenseman actually draws a good return often.

        The guy in Hartford I’d like to see is Chris Bigras. He was projected as an NHL starter before he fell out of favor. So far this year is tied for 6th in scoring at Hartford and leads all defensemen in plus/minus with +8 (great for such a bad team). I am not saying he would now be a good NHL player, but it seems an avenue worth investigating. Guys like Hajek and Lindgren are no-brainers to keep in the pipeline and develop, see where their potential leads. But whether or not Bigras can be serviceable is not clear and something you want to know. Defensemen often take a while to develop and it would be a shame to kick a guy to the curb and have him be say a top four defenseman elsewhere next or the following year.

        • Jan 3, 2019 at 3:19 pm

          Bigras would be great to bring up. I’d like Gorton to relieve Quinn of his most of his veterans on defense and let the kids play. Hank might get smoked, so let Georgiev share a bit more time and absorb some of the shellackings too. Your are correct, defensemen do generally take longer to develop so they need to play. Going headlong into mediocrity with older players is the losing strategy I thought they were ditching.

        • Jan 3, 2019 at 3:45 pm

          “Possibly the Rangers want to deal McQuaid at the deadline and want to showcase him as much as possible.”

          Laughable, since actually playing him exposes him more to other GMs.

          So, we gave up a 4th+ for this guy, in the hopes that we get a 5th or whatever back, a few months later. F–king brilliant use of assets.

          • Jan 3, 2019 at 5:44 pm

            It wasn’t just a 4th. They also gave up Steven Kampfer. So far, Kampfer has played 25 games for a team with a good defense and in playoff position. From where I see it, the Rangers were worried about DeAngelo not making it and not having enough “real” defensemen. Well, DeAngelo is fine, so insurance wasn’t needed — and it certainly is not clear that McQuaid is better than Kampfer anyway. Considering salary, I suspect I would not have made the deal as a straight up swap.

            Mind you – not saying Kampfer is good, just that he is as creditable as McQuaid.

            And I agree that benching McQuaid because of the numbers crunch may actually play better trade wise than “showcasing” McQuaid’s (lack of) talents.

            • Jan 3, 2019 at 6:40 pm

              That’s why I said “4th+” my friend.

              So I agree with your post.

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 5:41 pm

        Peter I agree, I want ADA in the lineup every night, I wanted Andersson to get at least 10-11 minutes of even strength ice time plus 2 minutes of PK — he can’t be worse than Mika on the PK, lol … but you can’t trade vets who aren’t being showcased. I am withholding judgment until after the trade deadline … then we’ll know one way or another.

        This is Quinn’s first year as well. He may need to instill something in the younger players that we aren’t privy to — since he sees them in the locker room all the time and at practice. Now in my mind that will only go so far, but again it’s his first year. I would be upset if this turned into a year after year thing with guys like ADA, Andersson, etc. — the same thing we saw with a kid like Miller or even Kreider early on his career.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 6:40 pm

      Truer words were never written!

      Nice job, Tanto!

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 1:21 pm

    I haven’t had a chance to see the Rangers much this year, but a few observations. It seemed pretty clear in the first period that the Rangers would lose. The difference in goal was just too huge. Hank did stop five shots (as would have a high school goalie), but it was pretty obvious his heart wasn’t in this game. Not surprising that every tough shot went in. Hank has had an assortment of good and bad games, though this was presumably the worst of his career.

    The rebuild means nothing as long as Hank is the coach of this team – and make no mistake, if Quinn is really in charge, Hank does not come out for the third period.

    A lot more of this is about offensive skill players than on the defense. The defense is going to give the other team opportunities – that is hockey. Frankly, the Pens did not have that many chances. However, when a Penguin forward was in a position to score a goal by picking a corner, he put the puck there — and the Ranger forwards don’t seem to have that skill. It really matters if you can turn a grade A minus opportunity into a goal.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 5:43 pm

      Thing is even the Penguins won’t pick those corners with such frequency on a nightly basis. It was one of those nights.

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 1:47 pm

    I’m actually very proud of the blog’s community. I expected the Hank bashing to be in full swing.


    At one point do the Rangers stop deluding themselves into thinking that they are going to make the playoffs this year, and act accordingly? Including the amount of games that Hank plays?

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 2:22 pm

      The reduction of Hank’s playing time begins tomorrow with Georgi in net. Guessing he will get at least 2 or 3 more before the bye week. I’m guessing 1 or both Islanders games (if he wins the first one) and Chicago. At least that’s what I’d do!

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 3:47 pm

        I hope so Sittoo, because it makes me sick that the Rangers put their franchise player out there, to fend for himself and get attacked by the opponents.

        But then again, this is what Hank asked for, so…

        • Jan 3, 2019 at 4:15 pm

          Agreed but it is what he wants. He’s made that clear. More good honest quotes from him today. Biggest thing going forward is for realistic expectations to take precedence over Hank’s super competitive nature. DQ learned a big lesson yesterday. And just maybe so did Hank…

          • Jan 3, 2019 at 4:51 pm

            And see … I’ve been good!

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 2:31 pm

      He and Georgi should split games from here on. No need to bury Hank with work. Georgi could use a 2 game week.

      Retrospect comment – We made Tampa Bay a powerhouse and what did we get in return? Anything that will make us a playoff team next year? I think not. We are doomed to mediocrity for the next decade. We need 5 first round picks to even have a chance of one being a middle 6 forward the way we draft. Lias (Pavel Brendl) Andersson. It is NOT too early to call him a bust. Chytil is also sliding backwards. We currently are banking on only hope. Our rookies are hopeless and No Hope! Doomed I tell ya, DOOMED!

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 3:53 pm

        100% agree on Hank and Georgi splitting from this point forward. Georgi needs the work and the Rangers find out if he’s a keeper (I think that he is).

        I am ok with the TB trade quite honestly. Remember, we are not the ones paying McD’s $7M per, starting this year. And we got a first, a second (that may be a first if they win the Cup), Howden, and Hajek. Howden and Hajek are probably NHL players going forward and the picks may turn out very well too. I’m ok with it if you look at the whole picture.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 2:47 pm

      I still believe Hank is calling the shots. Wise or unwise, Hank wants to play 60+ games a year and thus far Quinn has not shown a willingness to tell him when he can and can’t play.

      The problem with Hank is that his reflexes are sharpest when he plays every game (and he knows this). On the other hand, when he plays too much, he suffers mental fatigue (possibly also physical fatigue), but he does not take this seriously. The problem with the Rangers is that perceptions about Hank make it absolutely impossible to fairly evaluate the defense.

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 3:55 pm

        “I still believe Hank is calling the shots.”

        Very possible, and maybe even probable, Raymond, I could see that, yes.

        But even if that’s true, Quinn has to show a pair and lay down the law, even with the team’s franchise player.

        The D sucks, there, I just evaluated them for you. 🙂

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 5:49 pm

        Hank needs to play in bunches, but he also needs to step back for a week or so every now and then and work with Benny — he’s said this himself after a couple of sub par games. The trick is to limit the number of games he plays in a row as he gets older to avoid those sub par games. I think the best thing to do is play Hank 4-5 games in a row and then let Georgiev get 2-3 games, then back to Hank.

    • Jan 3, 2019 at 6:49 pm

      I’m pretty sure you, and everyone else, will see the Rangers are not deluding themselves at the trade deadline. As for Hank, why shouldn’t he play, he not part of the rebuild. He will be gone before this team is ready to compete, and if you don’t think so, maybe look in the mirror, for there you may see someone deluding theirselves. Hank must play, he is an NHL star and thats what fans pay to see. It’s the very reason the NHL screwed up the schedule and watered it down, because western team were crying about never seeing Crosby play in his hey day, which by the way, is also over.

      • Jan 3, 2019 at 7:05 pm

        I agree with your post Joe. Trust me, I have no delusions here. I would like to wait and see what happens, but my confidence level in the FO is not very high right now.

        Why not play Hank like crazy? Because I don’t want this franchise player and future HOFamer look like sh-t by being beaten into the ground.

        • Jan 3, 2019 at 8:03 pm

          Richter, I totally understand your frustration for Hank, but he was offered a way out and to a possible CUP, but he declined. So as much as I hate to see it, it’s on him. I love him, he’s a great ambassador, not only for the league in general, but for the Rangers specifically.

          • Jan 4, 2019 at 6:32 am

            Yep, I said it, he knew what he signed up for. So yes, he made his bed as well.

  • Jan 3, 2019 at 7:36 pm

    I think most of you are blowing this loss out of proportion. This was a red hot penguins team that can on any given night if given space and time rip apart all the flaws in hank. Every single goal off the shot was high and to his glove. And malkin and Crosby tease him with the stick and let the puck slide in. He just got lucky and stopped Malkin. They know him inside and out and that is why Quinn took the blame for starting him.

    Literally hank could just leave his glove extended to the top corner and he would catch the puck everytime cause they just have it down pat to do it on the rush and nail the corner and since it is him it goes in. It is too predictable. Kessel does it to him almost everytime they play each other. And hank gives it up. That is the skill of the Pens and if you want to beat them you have to close the gap and deflect every shot they take. Or put another goalie in who isn’t owned by them. Cause that second guess is what makes the difference and with hank they know him so well they don’t have to guess.

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