A look into Tony DeAngelo’s recent stint as a scratch

Disclaimer: As we did when we evaluated Skjei, recent performance matters when discussing lineup decisions. Small sample size plays a role in a lineup decision from night to night, and if a player is struggling, especially a youngster, a night off might help. Again, very rarely do we use small sample sizes, but context matters, and for this specific purpose, we need to look at single game samples and trends.

Much like when Brady Skjei was scratched, there was a lot of confusion about the recent decision by David Quinn to scratch defenseman Tony DeAngelo for Brendan Smith. By most accounts, DeAngelo has been one of the better and more consistent defensemen. Yet he can’t seem to stay in the lineup regularly. He wasn’t given much of a look to start the season, only found his way into the lineup due to injuries, played pretty well, and then wound up a healthy scratch.

We did the same exercise for Skjei when he was a healthy scratch, so may as well look into why DeAngelo is a healthy scratch. DeAngelo didn’t have a Skjei-esque xGF% dive, but it did go from 86.52% against Dallas to 47.69% against the Isles to 17.34 against the Flyers before he sat. Not exactly a huge run of poor games, but he went from excellent to bad pretty quickly.

That’s one of the issues with DeAngelo: He’s wildly inconsistent. For every monster xGF% game, he has one that is under 35%. The good games are more frequent than the bad, but some steady performances from the youngster would be nice. That said, the Rangers’ defense is defined by inconsistency, so this shouldn’t be much of a surprise.

Everyone’s favorite whipping boy is Marc Staal, whom we’ve stated did not deserve to come out when Skjei was scratched. Doing a comparison of him versus DeAngelo in the same timespan, Staal went from a 65.44 xGF% (Dallas) to a 55.40 xGF% (Isles) to a 31.05 xGF% (Flyers). So he’s been declining too, however this is apples and oranges since they don’t play the same side. Worth nothing, though, that the Flyers game was a train wreck for everyone.

The fair look would be at Neal Pionk, since he and DeAngelo play the same style and pretty much have identical production. Pionk’s xGF% in those three games was 43.95 (Dallas), 50.35 (Isles), and 33.52 (Flyers). So while he isn’t good, there isn’t enough there to justify him coming out of the lineup instead of DeAngelo.

Kevin Shattenkirk’s numbers were pretty terrible too (43.67, 46.79, 14.15). But let’s be real, after his one game scratch he likely isn’t going to get scratched any time soon. So to get Smith in the lineup, DeAngelo and his tanking effectiveness over a few games was the logical choice. A healthy scratch here and there can help.

Stats via offsidereview.com.

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29 thoughts on “A look into Tony DeAngelo’s recent stint as a scratch

  • Nov 26, 2018 at 6:50 am

    The Flyers’ game should not be used as a barometer for any one player, because the whole team should have been a healthy scratch for the Caps’ game.

    Gorton needs to do his team a big favor and find a team immediately to take Smith off their hands. It will probably require a 50% retention of his cap hit, but there has to be some team out there to trade him to. Then these issues of “who to sit” will end, because McQuaid is useless.

    The 6, Claesson-Shatty, Skjei-DeAngelo, and Staal-Pionk, should be playing every game, as these pairings going forward. The Rangers always create their own problems with rosters and line ups. Which is why I am very scared as to how they are going to approach this trade deadline.

    Larry Brooks is hysterical. Is he Hayes’ agent? Wow, what public blustering for a 50 pt player. This is like the 3rd article in the last couple of weeks based mostly on Hayes. And for the record, Kreider has been the Rangers’ best player this year outside of Hank. I guess Mr. Brooks is not wearing his glasses when Kevin turns it over because he holds the puck too long. I guess you see what you want to see. Hayes is a 50 pt player, until he proves otherwise, as he is on a 50 pt pace, again. You want to give him a 6 x 6 NMC? I don’t.

    • Nov 26, 2018 at 8:18 am

      The thing with Brooks overrating Hayes is really mystifying, unless it’s Brooksie helping Gorton out by attempting to drive up Hayes’ trade value via hyperbolic praise. Otherwise it’s ridiculous. Hayes is still the same occasionally motivated/occasionally sleepwalking player he’s always been as a Ranger.

      • Nov 26, 2018 at 8:42 am

        I would not put it past the Rangers to use Brooks in this way, so I agree.

        But really, 3 articles about this in the last couple of weeks? I know it’s a big story this year but it seems almost amateurish to pump this guy like Brooks is doing. Maybe it is for trade purposes.

        • Nov 26, 2018 at 11:30 am

          Yes these articles are totally there to help for future trade talks and scouting. Because the scouts are to busy partying in their hotel rooms and don’t go to NHL games. They get their data from typing in ” New York Rangers news ” in the search bar on their Ipads or phones.

          Come on man… Brooks has been preparing you for this since the summer. These articles aren’t so much about his own thoughts, there’s a pattern here. The Hayes ones usually have quotes of JG speaking to him and such. Thinking this is what teams do to gain more traction on their FA is not within this reality. You will noticed more and more articles by different sources will echo the same thing now. That is what Brooks is doing about this Hayes situation. The minute JG decided to get interviewed by someone who would put it up on the NHL is when reality should have hit. GM’s don’t go do that and talk about their FA in terms of still expecting a contract extension. That told other GM’ s that you either ante up or you get lost. The Quinn signing was a huge booster of for how Hayes would be a main stay in NYR blue.

          Btw if I’m his agent, all I have to do is point at Kreider’s raw stats lol, not big difference ( considering opposite roles ). FO loves him bro, he’s apart of the Boston boys club, expect a letter “A” on his chest by next fall, Brooks and Sather as well has been pumping that idea up.

          • Nov 26, 2018 at 2:57 pm

            I have a Ph.D.. Seriously. I read this several times and still am absolutely stumped by what it means:

            “Thinking this is what teams do to gain more traction on their FA is not within this reality. You will noticed more and more articles by different sources will echo the same thing now. That is what Brooks is doing about this Hayes situation. The minute JG decided to get interviewed by someone who would put it up on the NHL is when reality should have hit. GM’s don’t go do that and talk about their FA in terms of still expecting a contract extension. That told other GM’ s that you either ante up or you get lost.”

            • Nov 26, 2018 at 3:20 pm

              Casey Stengel once testified before a congressional committee on Major League Baseball’s anti-trust status, weaving a tale that seemed to have started in the middle and didn’t seem to have come to an end when it ended while completely confusing all present. Mickey Mantle was then called upon to testify immediately after Stengel, whereupon he said “My views are just about the same as Casey’s”

              So, I say, my views are just about the same as Mint’s, whatever they might actually be!

    • Nov 26, 2018 at 9:30 am

      I don’t mind Tony getting sat sometimes if they use it to reinforce what he should be doing on the ice. He has had some excellent games and has shown what he is capable of doing. The goal now should be to get that consistently from him. Quinn stated recently that Tony is ‘very coachable’. So, coach away and keep him playing as much as possible. Trade Smith to someone desperate for a defenseman (like the Bruins or perhaps Toronto.)

      • Nov 26, 2018 at 10:30 am

        I mean it’s not that big a deal, but if you want to develop chemistry then I think that Quinn should be playing the same D pairings until someone proves that they are not worthy.

        • Nov 26, 2018 at 12:23 pm

          I agree Tony. I’d like to see steady lines. An occasional night off is fine, but don’t over due that.

          Claesson, by the way, had a pretty poor night against the Caps. It happens, otherwise he has been playing well. DeAngelo had a bad night against Philly. But the whole team did too. So, maybe sit him and go over what he needs to do better and then send him out to do it. His upside is far greater than Smith’s, obviously. So they shouldn’t monkey around too much with him. He also seems to play well with Skjei, so let it happen.

        • Nov 26, 2018 at 12:25 pm

          I think Quinn had to react to the Flyer debacle and that means benching someone and putting Smith back in – the only real tool he had for saying this is unacceptable. And, in line with Dave’s numbers, why not bench the single player who played poorest against the Flyers. Make a one game decision based on a single game performance.

          Now if ADA has really lost his spot in the lineup, that is another matter.

        • Nov 26, 2018 at 1:39 pm

          I feel Smith was put back in, albeit not confirmed is to showcase Smith, have to play him a few games to hope he plays decent to get something for him if a team or teams are considering Smith. BOS needs a body on the blue-line they are so wracked with injuries on their blue-line. I agree, Hayes should be moved even though I like Hayes but I would not pay him 6 mil per, Rangers need that money for better acquisitions for the blue-line.

    • Nov 26, 2018 at 2:26 pm

      on Hayes me neither. As a matter of fact I don’t want to give anyone a 6 X 6 NMC!

    • Nov 28, 2018 at 5:09 pm

      Hayes does really well in the eye test. When he shields the puck in the offensive zone, he becomes a dominant player. Noone else on the Rangers can do what he does with the puck in the zone. He is Malkin like.

  • Nov 26, 2018 at 7:06 am

    More likely Quinn wanted to get Smith back in the lineup, given his statements about sitting Smith for Skjei earlier. Moving a couple of d-men in and out of the lineup is not a catastrophe.

  • Nov 26, 2018 at 8:53 am

    Hayes is a 50 point player true, but he is effective at both ends of the ice. Every team needs a player like Kevin on their roster. Again the only knock is his exboriant asking price.

    • Nov 26, 2018 at 9:27 am

      Agreed. Hayes is a good, not great player at both ends of the ice. Salary should be in line with that reality. Pay him what he is due, not what he fantasizes about.

    • Nov 26, 2018 at 10:27 am

      I think the mgmt wants to see a consistent year before making the big commitment to Hayes. If we resign him, I foresee the same complaints that were made about Stepan surface around Hayes in the not too distant future. I say wait as long as possible to get blown away with a deal, and if that doesn’t happen – sign him long term. Blown away ought to mean 1st + Elite prospect.

      • Nov 26, 2018 at 11:10 am

        Lol let me just say that Brooks left a DAGGER in some folks souls early yesterday. Once I read that in the middle of the night I felt the crush air that night, Miami Vice style.

        Go to other teams forums, they’ll even tell you about the jig of why the team must have gave Hayes that 1 yr deal. I’ve seen Flames and Stars fans talk about how that NYR GM must really wanted to keep Hayes. If not than why tag above 5 million on a 1 yr deal? Expensive rental, lose leverage in terms of Hayes becoming a rental now ( this isn’t Panarin being a rental and even that drops some major value points in trades). Everything had added up that JG wanted him for the long term, he’s been blunt about, used media etc.

        • Nov 26, 2018 at 3:12 pm

          Holy crap, you need to learn how to write or link your posts to google translate somehow. What in the blasted hell are you even talking about today?

  • Nov 26, 2018 at 11:33 am

    We are rotating 3 defenseman right now. Guessing somebody goes away in January. Still have not heard of any progress with Nylander. Did Toronto sign him yet?

  • Nov 26, 2018 at 11:58 am

    When did the Rangers fans become useless non thinkers without opinions. No one is talking about the line up and the lines. Yes we are talking about the Defense but not the offense.
    I guess because no one was allowed to talk about AV’s lineup because he was so superior, we should not talk about DQ and he is lost without his Cody bear.
    Ya that’s right lines don’t matter before the game. Yes there is talk about Defense.
    OK lets get down to it. I am the only one talking about it. Fasth does not belong on the 1st or second or 3rd lines. The Utility player who does nothing. 20 plus games into it and the coach can’t figure it out yet. He (the coach) does not want to put Fasth on the 4th line because he wants to prove he knows better than everyone that Fasth is the greatest utility player of all time. I don’t like it that Fasth is a drag on his line mates. It might get people mad but the numbers don’t lie. Knowledge can not deceive but perception can.

  • Nov 26, 2018 at 3:17 pm

    We don’t have to discuss the forward lines as there is nothing to discuss. Fast is a “do it all” guy, Chytil needs to play with better players, Lias only gets 10 minutes a game and Hayes is the best #2 center in the league. What is there to discuss?

    • Nov 26, 2018 at 4:02 pm

      1 goal 7 assists in 24 games. He should not be seen on any of the top lines. What is he doing if he is doing it all? Goals=NO, Assists=NO, Offense=NO. Fasth is the horror show Mr, Creature Feature.

      • Nov 26, 2018 at 4:49 pm

        Fast is the player who keeps the other team from getting breakaways when the other two forwards lose their positions. He’s the one who pins the puck behind the other team’s net when the other two need to change. He’s the one who covers up when one of the other two makes a bonehead play. He’s the one who maintains possession when the other two can’t seem to get their sticks on the puck. He’s the one who throws his body in front of the puck when there’s no other hope or body checks the goon on the other team. He’s the one the coach relies on to get through a shift with totally screwing up when the rest of the team doesn’t have a clue.

        • Nov 26, 2018 at 5:01 pm

          Thank you sounds like a 4th line player to me too! What do you call a player that does’t score, checks and don’t create assists. If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it a DUCK!

        • Nov 26, 2018 at 5:05 pm

          You can also call it Defense. Its like a police man who takes a report after the dirty deeds have been done. They are not there to defend you, that’s not their job. Its to clean up after the mess.
          By the way I love the Police.

  • Nov 26, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    When you are ugly you try to hide it by distracting people with shinny loud things to distract from the problem. You wear a weird hat or have funny shoes so people look down or but not at the ugly. The talk about Hays, is that very thing. Nothing can be done now so why talk about him? So the reason of all of the hoopla about Hays and the rotation of the Defense is because no one wants to talk about the bad lines the DQ is putting together. The biggest problem is The Cody bear situation, but that has been fixed on its own. The next problem is FASTH anchor, and no one is willing to talk about it. Its not a problem most say.
    Does the coach or news or the bloggers look at the analytics? Some of you do for Defense but not for Fasth because its OK to make a mistake that only costs 900K. Who is paying the people to put blinders on? Collective blindness? What is going on here?
    It must be the DQ effect. Is he hypnotizing you or are you naturally accepting of stupid. Or doe he get a honeymoon because, because? Do the dumb thing AV did and get away with it like AV did? No consequences! Group orgy.
    Yes I have question that don’t get answered because its too hard. Where is E3? He was the first one to tell me never talk about Fasth. Sorry he is not that good.

    • Nov 26, 2018 at 6:24 pm

      Are you spelling his name wrong to be insulting or “naturally accepting of stupid” as you say?
      Yes we all know he changed it but you continue to spell it the old way, maybe that’s the last time you actually watched him play?

      • Nov 26, 2018 at 6:49 pm

        Yes insulting. Yes my eyes are lying and so are the stats. Facts are hard to take. I take notice that you disagree with my name calling. My bad. Too bad Mr. RC! I have to live with Fasth on the team we all have something bothering us.

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