Defensive woes cost Rangers dearly against Carolina

The Rangers went into yesterday’s game having been unable to sustain offense, but were somewhat sound on defense. The law of averages came to play, as the Blueshirts generated a ton of offense, but also were unable to play defense at all. In the end, they wasted an early 2-0 lead and then traded goals with the Canes, before losing by a 7-5 score.

The Rangers had a lot of defensive issues in this one. They were unable to tie up sticks in front, they were caught puck watching, and were just poor in their own zone. Alex Georgiev looked human and rusty, but the defense didn’t help him out that much anyway. The offense was clicking, and usually five goals is enough. But it’s October, it’s the third game, and it’s a new coach. Such is life.

Rangers 1, Canes 0

This was a good play by Jesper Fast here, as he recognized he had a chance to spring Jimmy Vesey and Kevin Hayes on a 2-on-1, and did just that with a little chip pass. Vesey got the puck across to Hayes, who waited out Trevor van Riemsdyk and fed the puck back to Vesey for the tap-in.

Rangers 2, Canes 0

The Canes had a lot of trouble on the defensive end on this play. They got caught puck watching Brett Howden as Chris Kreider recognized the lane to the front was open. Howden fed him the puck and he buried it.

Rangers 2, Canes 1

Simply put, Kevin Shattenkirk missed his assignment on this one. He followed the puck to Justin Williams, which left his man Warren Foegele wide open at the net mouth. Ideally you want Georgiev to stop this, but he shouldn’t have been open to begin with.

Rangers 2, Canes 2

This was just awful defense by Mats Zuccarello and Mika Zibanejad. Jordan Martinook skated right by both of them to get to the slot. Georgiev didn’t stand a chance here.

Rangers 3, Canes 2

Filip Chytil got this going by beating Andrei Svechnikov to the puck, holding for a second, and then dishing to Brady Skjei as the trailer. Skjei did the rest here, as I have no idea how this pass got through. Look at all the bodies. There was no opening. But it got through to Vesey, who buried it.

Canes 3, Rangers 3

The Canes executed a near perfect breakout here. It ended with Eric Staal catching Brady Skjei flat footed and torching him before receiving the pass for the break.

Rangers 4, Canes 3

Tony DeAngelo made an excellent play here. He got the puck at the point and then faked a shot to draw the coverage away, and then cut to the slot to give himself a lane to shoot. Pavel Buchnevich provided the screen and got to the rebound for the goal.

Canes 4, Rangers 4

Georgiev needs to stop this. No questions asked.

Rangers 5, Canes 4

There’s no real breakdown here. Kreider is just too fast for a lot of defensemen. He received the pass and simply blew by Dougie Hamilton, shifted to the backhand, and slid it through Mrazek’s legs.

Canes 5, Rangers 5

Four Rangers low, and no one covers the trailer. Sigh.

Canes 6, Rangers 5

There was a lot of running around on this shift. Eventually Svechnikov got position in front and was in a perfect spot to deflect the Justin Fault shot from the point. I don’t think this was a breakdown per se, just a bang-bang type play.

Canes 7, Rangers 5

Foegele was in front and covered, but no one tied up his stick for the tap-in.

Canes 8, Rangers 5

Teuvo Teravainen empty netter.

Game Flow Chart

This was one of those games that Carolina pretty much controlled from the get go. Yes, the Rangers put up two quick ones, but did you ever get the feeling they had sustained pressure? Yea, me neither. Carolina really controlled this game, and eventually broke it open.


Three games, three holes on the left side. At this point, it’s a pattern.

The Rangers have a few days off now before they play again. Hopefully they can find some consistency on defense, and find a way to plug that issue on the left side.

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70 thoughts on “Defensive woes cost Rangers dearly against Carolina

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 6:12 am

    There were no defensive issues because that would require having a defense to begin with.

    On the brighter side, DeAngelo was pretty good and Howden as well, which tells you how good the game was for the Rangers. Zuc is playing like he already knows that he’s being traded.

    Marc Staal needs to retire and hopefully the McQuaid trade teaches Gorton a lesson to stop with these dumb “character” trades and acquisitions because the prerequisite for acquiring a player is that they can actually play. It was so cute to have Valley trying to push how important that trade was. We gave up picks, that was not a good trade.

    But, this is what I certainly expected, so we might as well accept it and enjoy watching the younger players play.

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 7:50 am

      Unfortunately this is something many on Blogs are having a very hard time with.

      This season is not about analyzing every bad play, every missed chance, and every defensive breakdown…because their will be (and their should be) alot of them. On top of playing the young guys more we are playing a brand new system that is completely different than what they were used to over the last 5 years.

      If in Game 27, 52, or 81 we continue to see these same breakdowns from both the young and skilled vets, we have a problem. Its game 3. All three games have been entertaining and much better than the crap we dealt with last season. 3 Games, we were handily beaten in 1. 3 Games…We make fun at “Embracing the Tank” & “Lose for Hughes” but that is the reality.

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 8:04 am

        I talked with an old friend and fellow Ranger fan in New York after the game last night. He was already ragging on Quinn. I had to laugh, saying that perhaps he might give the new coach, the new system, and the several kids on the team a little time, maybe even a season, to improve?

        My fellow Rangers fans and my fellow Yankees fans are not a patient bunch! 🙂

        • Oct 8, 2018 at 8:48 am

          2013. AV. New Coach, new system, growing pains. No we won’t go on a Cup run, but by mid-November they will be playing some sound hockey and winning some games.

        • Oct 8, 2018 at 12:03 pm

          Love clueless fans…maybe they should strap some skates on and play a lil hockey before they jump off the cuff of reality. My problem with this rebuild is that it is not exactly a rebuild on the back end is it? The end they should be rebuilding. Maybe it is time to send Stahl down with McQuaid and bring up Libor, Gilmour or Lindgrin or all of them.

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 8:12 am

        Honestly, the results of the games are “fine”. My issue lies with management. The left side has a hole? Oh you mean the left side where people said don’t sign Skjei long term, don’t resign Smith, and yea Toilet?

        That’s the crux, we’re making the same dumb roster moves that sunk us in the first place. NHL GMs are dumb, to be good you have to make less dumb moves than everyone else. Gorton is making as many if not more.

        Let’s rebuild! Good idea. We need to. We need a plan, great call Jeff
        Let’s trade draft picks for Adam McQuaid! Wait what?

        There’s plenty of cheap young decent players available to fill the 13th forward spot! Let’s resign Cody McLeod! Wait, what?

        The same dumb roster construction bull that plagued us with Sather are still being made. It’s the same crap that we warned about that got us to this point. If we don’t make SMARTER decisions quickly, we’re in for a NY Jets/ NY Mets-Esqe 40 year rebuild.

        • Oct 8, 2018 at 10:42 am

          Well said John…………same old Rangers………..gorton/ sather??????????
          ……………..”’the left side has a hole”’……..which further emphasizes the need for
          1. getting rid of Stall
          2. not trading left wings like JT Miller and Michael Grabner ……their speed and explosiveness slows down the opponents attack and the defense-men from ”cheating” in on the play
          I expect Vesey to have a breakout year…….maybe 20+ goals….and then I expect the incompetent GM’s to trade him….

          • Oct 8, 2018 at 11:14 am

            Should have never made JT vs Hayes a thing. They could have been a dynamic duo for the cycling, PP and OK. Unlike Kreider, JT could maintain his inside position in the low slot with a simple redirection as long as his center feeds him.

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 12:26 pm

        I said this a while ago pal, if people do not consider wins this season, then they will be a lot better off.

        Similar to the Giants’ game, I felt bad and good at the same time. I want the Rangers to play well on a game by game basis but I want a top 3 pick, lol. #loseforhughes

        That being said, if w are going to watch a cluster-f–k, then I would rather if be with younger players, meaning that Zuc, Hayes, Smith, Names, Spooner, McQuaid, McLeod, and Staal (haha) are all gone by the trade deadline.

        • Oct 8, 2018 at 4:22 pm

          Brahh come on…. You think if this team has a draft lottery pick that one Kreider or Zib will still be here? Fat chance that one of them would fail at their current roles and from there they will become expandable. Kreider has been secretly shopped (like JT and Stepan). Than Brooks said that the FO will make a call between Zib vs Hayes. I wouldn’t be shocked to see if JG would try and pry Dutchy from Ottawa. He’s going to revamp the core without letting go of his young players. Kreider and Zib have term and aren’t free agents who can leave in the summer. I expect one or two of them to be apart of the next blockbuster.

          • Oct 8, 2018 at 7:54 pm

            Someone has to be on the team. The bottom line is why, if this is a rebuild, are there so many stiffs on the team?

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 9:17 am

      The MSG propoganda machine is too much

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 10:15 am

        At least they stopped acting like KZB is going to be the next hit thing. I’m going to assume that one of those names get’s sold off in the fire sale this year.

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 12:16 pm

        Agreed I want to toss my cookies when they talk around the problem or talk down bone head moves by the coaching staff and management. Same old MSG I wish they would just play the game and stick a sock in Micheletti’s mouth!

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 12:28 pm

        There is propaganda, no question, but I will also tell you that Kovy not signing here blindsided them and caused them to go in a different direction. But they should have been prepared for that as well.

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 9:38 am

      Yesterday’s result was on the forward corps’ lack of defensive effort and awareness. Guys who’ve played under Vigneault look lost as they try to adhere to Quinn’s new scheme, so hopefully that’ll improve with time. But man—Zib, Hayes, and Howden were awful defensively yesterday down the middle. Zucc and Buchnevich were asleep defensively throughout the game. We know this defensive group is bad, no question—but the forwards were little help to the D. Either way, losses are good this year, and the way NYR looks at the moment there are many more to come.

      Staal & McQuaid are just useless as well. Wonder if McQuaid is already concussed after that hit he took yesterday.

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 7:57 pm

        If the Rangers truly believe that losses don’t matter this year, and I do believe that they think that down deep, then why the dog and pony show for adding useless vets?

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 4:20 pm

      Guys (and gals) – It is going to be a long year. Maybe a VERY long year. I adjusted my expectations for this season to the point where if you get 60 minutes of solid effort then, win or lose – it’s a good night.

      Some of you may want to consider doing the same.

      Outside of that I am going to sit back and enjoy the experience of this year in a “glass half-full” kind of way and thinking optimistically about:

      #1 – Turning this thing over to the kids to get them experience and watching them grow
      #2 – Staying competitive but losing enough games to land our own top 3 lottery pick
      #3 – The Purge II – Cleaning house at the trade deadline and stcokpiling more picks and young talent
      #4 – Figuring out a package attractive enough to get the Sens #1 pick from the AV’s – difficult but not impossible
      #5 – Focusing on next year when the kids that are here have gained some experience, the kids on the farm are one year closer, Igor and Kravtsov are likely here, the Purge II has given us even more youth and picks, and Panarin signs with the NYR on 7/1/19.

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 7:59 pm

        Very simple my friend:

        Get the kids valuable experience and playing time.
        Get Jack Hughes in the draft.

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 7:26 am

    A learning experience perhaps. But for the entire team, not just for the kids because, as you point out, the veteran forwards were missing defensive assignments too. Although Georgiev missed a couple he should have gotten to, the team did not play good defense in front of him overall.

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 10:05 am

      Correction: Zib has been awful since game 1, period 1. He’s been on the ice for about 5-6 goals against in a total of 3 games.

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 7:30 am

    #21, #44, #72, #26

    All had me thinking happy thoughts

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 7:31 am

    Gonna be a work in progress. First pick looking promising.

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 8:14 am

    Did you see Quinn scolding his players live on TV during the called timeout?

    I have it on good authority that he’s showing up and harming the “kids” they shoulda went into the locker room and huddled.

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 8:49 am


  • Oct 8, 2018 at 8:39 am

    Believe it or not, forwards have a role to play when it comes to defending. They have to pick up the guy who is coming in late and the one standing all alone in the wheelhouse. That is something taught in minor hockey and should be well ingrained in players by the time they reach pro.

    2 or at times 3 guys checking the same man really, it takes that many defenders to take away a skating lane. Un friggin believable.

    Coach Quinn has a right to be steaming. His squad is playing with their head up their hockey pants.

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 9:04 am

      It is engrained in them (for the most part). BUT thay have moved from a Man to Man Defensive Scheme for the last five years to a Zone scheme. I am not sure how complicated the scheme is but it is not even one month that they have played this new system.
      Defensive breakdowns happen, its learning from them and realizing your assignments for the next time that matter now.

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 9:20 am

        Zone defense is much the same as defending short handed. The defense keep the opposition to the outside and takes away skating, shooting and passing lanes with sticks and using the body. Of course, the Rangers pk is still a work in progress and an indicator that much work needs to be done.

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 9:04 am

    20 games – Just need to wait 20 games.
    Thinking we need to let the players adjust to the new system, but a win would be nice.

    Quinn wants more out of his vets – as well he should. Look at the TOI for Hayes – showing that he needs to work for his time.

    7 defenseman? Really? Stall could have used a night off.

    Competitive in all three games – isn’t that what we asked for?

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 10:13 am

      Same goes for Buch, Chytil, Shatty and a big FU to the KZ not line.

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 10:56 am

        How’s your boy, the Invisible Hayes? Two assists in three games (compiled in yesterday’s blowout loss), totally dominated in the possession game (41.7 Corsi, an astoundingly bad -7.2 relative Corsi), and he’s playing like he knows he’s already gone. Before you point your deluded finger at any player on NYR, ask why your boy flat-out sucks so badly in a season that’s crucial for his future. Is it because he’s gutless and lacking general passion for success?

        • Oct 8, 2018 at 11:22 am

          Son go have some warm milk in a corner. It’s not anybody’s fault that he has to play with a guy who needs tap ins to finish. Where’s the KZB line again?

          • Oct 8, 2018 at 11:32 am

            I ain’t yer son. And Hayes is a wasteoid who’s gonna be a bottom tier 2nd line/3rd line NHL player. Your mancrush on him is as foolish as the endless streams of gibberish you unleash daily on this site.

            • Oct 8, 2018 at 12:03 pm

              You must have a crap 9-5 or live on someone’s couch. You have all the time in the world to do your useless smack talking on a hockey forum. Than you go ape sh*t crazy with upvoting your comments. Yeah I remember E3 exposing you for that before he dipped out on here.

              • Oct 8, 2018 at 12:07 pm

                Found the kettle

              • Oct 8, 2018 at 12:13 pm

                Speculate away, Mint, about what I do—your lame attempts at insulting me are as misguided as your hockey analysis. All I know is that it takes about 30 seconds to respond and successfully refute pretty much anything you say on this site, it really takes no time at all. As for the thumbs up/down comment, I’d guess you average about 8-12 thumbs down per comment—I’d take that to mean there’s a lot of readers out there who think you’re a clown. So the system seems relatively accurate to me.

        • Oct 8, 2018 at 11:29 am

          Three. Games. Maybe we shouldn’t decide anything about any of the guys who have literally never played in a non-AV system/structure until they’ve got, I dunno, like 20+ games under Quinn? Just a thought.

          • Oct 8, 2018 at 12:14 pm

            Dude you’re talking to Oscar the Grouch. There’s not going to be any reasonable things that’s said by him/her because ” I live in a fu**ing trash can ”

            Seriously though, I’m not worried about Hayes. If he could make it under AV’s uptempo system as a 200 ft center than he should be fine under Quinn. Kreider on the other hand is a different story. He couldn’t make it in a north/south dump and chase style under Torts. The narrative back then was that he needed a system that would allow him to go west/east with puck possession. He played on some good NYR teams and only has one 53 points to show for it.

            • Oct 8, 2018 at 2:24 pm

              Hahaha Go Mint Go!

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 9:22 am

    McQuaid, Shattenkirk, Staal are horrendous…..Smith is eh ….Defense needs so much work But ADA needs to be in the lineup….

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 9:51 am

      Yes, Tony needs to play games to get better in the defensive zone. Practices only do so much. In-game decisions under pressure are exactly what he needs work on and he can’t get it any other way. I am scratching my head wondering why McQuaid was obtained.

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 10:25 am

    Best thing about the outcome of yesterday’s game is the brief reprieve from the constant nonsense about Hank being the biggest issue the Rangers have.

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 2:47 pm

      What??? Granted, I am not on twitter, but I don’t think I’ve heard that one about Hank being the biggest issue. There are two camps – Hank is god and Hank is not god.

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 8:25 pm

        Are you on Facebook? That’s where the “Queen Henrik” vitriol REALLY reaches peak-saturation, I find. It exists on Twitter too, for sure…but on Twitter, there is a 140 character limit on single posts. On FB, people can REALLY get on the soapbox.

        That said, you and I find the middle ground at times, Ray, despite not seeing eye to eye on many topics. One thing I don’t have a good answer for that you have pointed out is the net-side vs. fronting issue (which I don’t know whether or not is a thing this year, yet, frankly), for example. There really are some people out there, though – not you – who will look at the Buffalo game outcome and respond with “LundQUIT is a BUM! Worst goalie in the NHL! Peanut guy from the stands would have stopped those!”, etc. They exist, and they are at times REALLY loud about it on social media.

        Anyway, though – this was not aimed at you, Ray. More the “Sieveqvist” segment of the fanbase who can be just insufferable. Ahem. LOL. Who we haven’t heard from, today…fancy that…

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 10:38 am

    I guess Quinn is a little unhappy with our 6’5” 220 lb. ballerina figure skater. And I thought the Boston guys would be favorites at least at the start of the season, although Vesey has his attention.

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 10:47 am

      Hey, now. Ballerinas and figure skaters have great agility. Don’t insult them by comparing them to Staal.

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 11:04 am

        Emile was talking about Hayes.

        • Oct 8, 2018 at 11:24 am

          Ah. I misread it a little and failed to connect the Boston bit to the initial comment. I guess Staal also isn’t quite that tall, maybe not that heavy.

        • Oct 8, 2018 at 11:39 am

          She doesn’t know what they’re talking about and it’s more hypocritical when she wants to bring up the Boston thing. Kreider saw a little less ice than Hayes who basically saw 19 minutes. Unless if we’re still talking about 10/6 which is like 3 days ago? Lol I guess some fans need that emotional lift when there favorite player is stuck in the AHL because <Howden.

          • Oct 8, 2018 at 1:08 pm

            In deference to Dave so I say this politely and with civility… but Minty, I’m still waiting for a post from you that makes sense… both in hockey content AND grammar content.

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 10:56 am

    Give it time but if we are going to play old guys they have to be very good. Shatty has been the worse D thru 3 games very concerning. Buch has been dropped already are you kidding me? No one mentions the center ice play teams are flying thru with odd man rushes all night long in all 3 games.

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 11:46 am

      That could be due to the KZB line not being a actual 1st line in the NHL? Buch has always gotten screwed over when those other two don’t show up. He’s scored a good old fashion goal away from those two on the PP with swift puck movement and a shot from the point.

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 12:32 pm

      Hardly the worst d’man when you have Staal being clueless 80% of the time … and Skjei needs to pick his game up lest we start to think his rookie year was an aberration.

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 12:10 pm

    Happy as heck am I. I like a lot of what I see especially with these kids. This year is about building not winning every game. it is about strides forward. Loosing is ok. And guess what the prospect pool for 2019 is not bad at all. The first 8 to 10 players are strong. With a ton of hype around jack Hughes when if fact the first 3 to 5 are all pretty damned strong! This season should be about propping up players we are dealing for draft picks and getting the kids ice time!

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 12:29 pm

      That’s the spirit I have regarding this season as well. I am happy that they competed in each of the first three games even though they did not win any of them. They will eventually win some if they continue to work hard. But the most important thing is for the team to get experience together on the ice and to grow together. In my opinion everything else is secondary.

      I am hoping that guys like McQuaid and McLeod see a more limited number of games. I hope that Marc Staal is rested often. I would like to see the young people playing the vast majority of the games. I know that McLeod and McQuaid are ‘character guys’. So is Marc Staal. But that does not mean they should be playing most of the time.

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 12:29 pm

    Staal was horrible yesterday (actually terrible on most days) and Skjei might need to be benched (to send a message to him that it’s defense first). McQuaid and Smith weren’t too helpful either.

    On the flip side, a really good game from DeAngelo … adequate game from Pionk.

    Back to the negative, Mika and Zucc seemed confused throughout most of the game — if this is how Zucc is going to play in 2018-19, then they need to explore a trade … but I would want to give him 20-30 games to sort things out.

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 1:43 pm

      DeAngelo had the key unforced defensive zone turnover that led to Carolina’s gamewinner. Any positives in his play yesterday—and there were plenty of positives—have to be measured against the fact that he made yet another atrocious play in his own zone, without any forecheck pressure, that cost NYR the game.

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 2:25 pm

        Which is why DeAngelo should be playing regularly to see whether or not he can play better in the defensive zone. He is better than he was previousily, and he has demonstrated some of his talents in pre-season and last night. I am sure that a few of the young people on the team will make mistakes that will ‘cost them the game’ over the course of the season. If DeAngelo continues to make them after being given a shot, well then that’s the way it goes

        • Oct 8, 2018 at 2:37 pm

          Peter, I’m mentioning DeAngelo’s miscue because Tanto’s assessment of DeAngelo’s play was that DeAngelo “had a really good game”. A defenseman who makes a game-losing unforced error in his own zone with 9:40 left to play in a tie game has not had “a really good game”, no matter if they’ve had 2 assists. As far as negatives are concerned: DeAngelo repeatedly lost his composure yesterday, cheapshotted Jordan Staal with a knee to knee legwhip, and took a dumb penalty. So yeah, there were some highs and lows to Tony D’s game yesterday. With all that said, he still was NYR’s most effective defenseman yesterday. Every other dman had a worse game than DeAngelo.

          • Oct 8, 2018 at 2:49 pm

            Haha, which shows how much the defense needs to improve! 🙂

            I can’t figure whether the Rangers mean to play McQuaid regularly. What the heck?

          • Oct 8, 2018 at 3:21 pm

            He was BY FAR the best Ranger d’man in yesterday’s game — not even close. You whip him for a supposed unforced error that was game losing? What are you talking about, I don’t think he was even on the ice for either of the 3rd period goals by Carolina — it was Shattenkirk and Skjei on the 7th goal and Pionk and Staal on the 6th goal.

            • Oct 8, 2018 at 4:22 pm

              Check the game replay, between 10:00 and 9:40 mark of the third DeAngelo fumbles an attempt to pass the puck out of the zone, Carolina grabs possession and Svechnikov scores the game winner. Don’t think I’m harshing on anyone to mention their game was both good and bad yesterday, and I clearly stated I thought DeAngelo was still the most effective defenseman yesterday, despite the lazy miscue in the third period.

              • Oct 9, 2018 at 12:19 pm

                I’ll say it again, Staal and Pionk were on the ice for the Svechnikov goal …

      • Oct 10, 2018 at 2:14 am

        DeAngelo was one of the best players for the Rangers against Carolina. Besides the 2 Assists he was engaged on almost every shift. Playing noticeably physical and going after guys in after whistle scrums.

        As far as the turnover that lead to the game wining goal goes in an 8-5 loss, the TEAM GAVE UP 8 GOALS!!! DeAngelo’s one miscue WAS NOT the reason the Rangers lost.

        Being it was his first game of the season I’ll take the 2 assist, IDK how many hits and his feistieness and overall toughness and give him a pass on the defensive miscue (You know the coaches will address it)

        This season is about learning & development and DeANGELO is the poster boy of that sentiment.

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 1:32 pm

    to early yet, give them 20 games,. the new guys and the others who played under AV. loving watching the kids hustle out there. Some trades for more youngsters or picks. Im in it for the long haul. LGR

  • Oct 8, 2018 at 7:08 pm

    zucc has really lost a step or has mentally checked out. Probably a bit of both. Awol in d zone 3 times. Countless lost battles in corners (nothing new) and useless on the pp

    • Oct 8, 2018 at 8:02 pm

      Zuc has definitely checked out IMO.

      • Oct 8, 2018 at 11:23 pm

        I hope not. He has always been such a class act and had so much heart.

        • Oct 9, 2018 at 5:38 am

          Hey Peter. Watch him, there’s no “umph” from him like usual. Very lackadaisical, for him anyway.

          • Oct 9, 2018 at 5:30 pm

            So far you’re right … hopefully he’ll come around whether it’s to keep him or trade him. I’m starting to slip into the trade him camp because even last year we saw some lackadaisical play from Zucc, so I’m starting to at least question whether it’s effort or age.

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