A peak at 2019 trade deadline chips

It is almost September, which means the Rangers are almost back on the ice for preseason hockey. The 2018-2019 season is expected to be a rough one for fans, as the Rangers are expected to be bottom feeders in the Metro and not compete for a playoff spot. They are not tanking –and there’s a big difference between tanking and not winning– though, which leads us to believe they are going to try to be competitive, but with the bigger picture in mind.

The bigger picture is loading up on young assets by deadline assets. Those assets are usually expiring contracts, but someone with multiple years left can be dealt in the right deal. The Rangers have a few of those guys, so it’s expected they will look to grab more prospects and picks in 2019.

Kevin Hayes

This is the most obvious one. Hayes’ one-year deal this offseason all but sealed his fate as trade bait, especially with Ryan Spooner and Vlad Namestnikov inking identical two year deals. The difference between Hayes’ deal and the Mats Zuccarello home town discount a few years back is that Hayes didn’t take a discount. He didn’t want the multi-year deal, and he wants to go to free agency (or so we’ve been led to believe).

With that in mind, the Rangers lose value each day that Hayes remains on the roster. Any acquiring team will want him in the fold for as long as possible. He’s a legit middle-six center, and those guys have value in the trade market. Hayes will be traded, and the time of the year will determine how much the Rangers get for him.

Ryan Spooner/Vlad Namestnikov

These guys each have an extra year on their deals, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be dealt. Teams are always looking for middle-six centers, and these guys come cheap enough –or the Rangers can eat enough salary– for teams to look at taking on that extra year. Both are middle-six centers, and a strong year from either one can lead to a bunch in a trade.

Of course, a strong year from one could mean a multi-year contract as a role player for the kids in New York.

Mats Zuccarello

Yes, this needs to be said. It pains me to say, but Zuccarello is likely the most valuable trade deadline piece. He’s a top line forward on any team, and he’s on a ridiculously cheap contract for his production. Zucc, like Henrik Lundqvist, likely wants to stay in New York. I wonder if they can do a trade and then re-sign in the offseason with Zucc. Crazier things have happened, like him not getting traded.

Tony DeAngelo

Yes, DeAngelo needs to be mentioned here. If the Rangers are looking to trade him, then he either a) didn’t have a good year, or b) got beaten out by other kids who surprised. Whichever way you slice it, DeAngelo is hitting restricted free agency next season and trading him, most likely in a package as a sweetener, is a legitimate option for the Rangers. Not that I think it will happen, but as mentioned above, crazier things have happened.

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52 thoughts on “A peak at 2019 trade deadline chips

  • Aug 29, 2018 at 6:52 am

    There is no good that comes from keeping Hayes as the bad (injuries, poor play, etc) can easily outweigh the good.

    I would rather deal him now and get what you can. It scares me a little that he’s still here. The Rangers have a few RFAs to deal with next year and while they have a lot of cap space, it’s not unlimited, certainly not enough to use some of that on Hayes.

    Spooner and Zuc are the next logical players to go. I think that DeAngelo can get traded, which means that it didn’t work out here, which means that you would get a bag of pucks for him because this is probably his last real chance with an NHL team.

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 7:49 am


      Just think beck a few years, we were looking for help on the blue line, and at center, now we have an abundance of both thanks to JG. The guy is good in my book. He will do the right thing………..

      • Aug 29, 2018 at 8:00 am

        Agree Walt.

      • Aug 30, 2018 at 7:03 am

        Oh I agree my friend, in Gorton I trust.

        Look what he has done with the prospect pool and how he’s turned it around in 12 months.

  • Aug 29, 2018 at 7:42 am

    Hard to disagree with you. I think they may start moving pieces a bit earlier than the trade deadline. Once they see what they have in camp they can better assess their needs.. Which are many. I do think the trade market is still clogged up with Karlsson and Pacioretty lingering.

    As nice as it sounds to trade Zucc and resign him next year, I don’t think that’s going to happen. We talked about it with Nash and Grabner and it never happened. Although Nash is still not decided on playing this year and not signed. If we want to take a run at Seguin and/or Panarin we will need the cap space. I love Zucc, but he’s on the wrong side of 30 for the direction this team is going.

  • Aug 29, 2018 at 7:44 am

    What a GREAT position to be in. Three middle siix centers and a first line winger,that could be expendable. IF the right deal comes along AND some of our kids are ready to step in. Again, a GREAT position for us.

    Lets not lose sight of the fact our rebuild is not over. There is still work to do. Yep and that work involves more player movement.

    JG has proved he will not give a player away. I am very happy with the returns he received last season for McD, Nash and Grabs. JT Miller, sure I would have loved to have kept him, but you must give to get.

    Stay the course JG, and if a good deal (picks and/or young talent) materializes for ANY of the players Dave has listed, Zucc included, take it! We are rebuilding.

  • Aug 29, 2018 at 8:05 am

    Depending on the development of the kids, many more names could be added to that list, including Krieder and Zibanijad. It will also be good to add Brendan Smith’s name to the list, as he may be odd man out.

    The development and progress of the kids will dictate the moves.

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 11:43 am

      It looks like Hayes is playing for a clause with now some more money added into the pile. Quinn’s behind him and wants players like Hayes in his system and on his team.

      It could very well effect Kreider’s or Zib’s long term relationship with the NYR. Remember, neither of those two made it on the untouchable list. Kreider was on the chopping block last season. There’s been chatter about how JG might pick between Zib or Hayes especially before his clause kicks in. JG will do the right thing with Quinn in his ear and Hayes play doing the talking.

  • Aug 29, 2018 at 9:08 am

    If you have to lose Hayes to gain a Bread man or a Sequin…no brainer. Zuc has to be traded too. You cant extend him

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 9:36 am

      Youth needs to be served. Augment the talented kids with a stud or two and you have a playoff team. This is a team that, in the past, did not have one scorer, but was made up of 5 20 goal guys. We can still have those 5, but add a 40 goal scoring stud, and everything changes.

      Just thinking, imagine if Jesper Fast starts the season in the press box?

      • Aug 29, 2018 at 10:17 am

        That would be glorious…It means he wont be on the 1st line!

      • Aug 29, 2018 at 10:19 am

        What significance would benching Jesper Fast have? He’s easily one of the 12 best forwards in the organization, and in a proper bottom-6 role for NYR, Fast is a very effective player.

        • Aug 29, 2018 at 11:50 am

          The point is that is Chytil, Anderrson, Howden, & Lertteri make the team, now Jesper might not be one of the best 12 anymore. Besides, I think these kids need line 1-3 exposure, not 4th line time.

          • Aug 29, 2018 at 12:20 pm

            Vinnie Lettieri isn’t gonna make this team. And he certainly isn’t a better player than Jesper Fast. Chytil & Andersson will play plenty regardless of Fast’s minutes. And of course there’s the fact that Andersson, Chytil, and Howden are all centers, while Fast is a right wing…but why think about such things when you can complain about a solid pro like Jesper Fast? And yes, I realize that Chytil in particular will see time on the wing this year—but Fast shouldn’t impact Chytil’s minutes at all, given that Fast is a penalty killer and defensive specialist for NYR.

            • Aug 29, 2018 at 1:38 pm

              Watch and see next year who stays in the lineup whether they play center or not.

              Fast is an average player who was AV’s favorite, often times getting minutes he didn’t deserve. It is about time you earn your playing time.

              • Aug 29, 2018 at 2:08 pm

                Who deserved Fast’s minutes more? Paul Carey? Tanner Glass? Daniel Paille? Cody McLeod? Anybody who doesn’t see Fast’s worth as a good bottom-6 NHL player needs to learn about the game a little bit.

      • Aug 29, 2018 at 1:36 pm

        You would be an idiot to bench Fast for Letteri… Fast is a proven top flight bottom 6 winger and great penalty killer. He’s not a first line player but that is not his fault AV put him there. He would be a great piece to have on a line with either Lias or Howden, defensively responsible and can chip in with some offense. It would allow the kids to grow with a legit NHL player and not McLeod…

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 11:49 am

      I think with a Staal buyout, 2 of Spooner, Vesey and Vlad traded and Smith gone. Than you can sign Hayes eventually to a long term contract like they wanted and sign 2 stars. Add to the fact that Kreider’s at the end of his contract and who knows what they do with Zucc. I think regardless to all of that, Hayes signs and a top 6 moves to make room for Panarin.

  • Aug 29, 2018 at 9:46 am

    Here’s another twist. Wondering if, as many have speculated, Quinn’s style will truly be more “in your face” and, if so, will that unshackle the roster to show a more intense side of themselves? Not talking fighting pre se, but more of clearing the crease, defending Hank and teammates before and after the whistle, generally just not taking guff and/or giving it back constructively. My point is: could we be surprised that some players are not as soft as they appeared under…dare I say..AV?

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 10:18 am

      AV was employed here way too long…Everybody saw it except those who had the power to do something about it

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 10:28 am

      Kreider and DeAngelo will definitely be nastier physically under Quinn. If Smith returns to NHL-level form he’s another guy who will mix it up a bit. Pionk showed quite a bit of nastiness around the crease as well. For me that was one of the most irritating of Vigneault’s flaws—it seemed like he was actually mad at Kreider for the Carey Price incident, and then there were AV’s public criticisms of Carcillo/Kreider/McIlrath/Smith in later seasons for taking the occasional penalty to keep other teams in line. Whether or not you agree with fighting as a fan, the coach has to support the guys who take it upon themselves to protect their teammates. Vigneault’s public whining about penalties was pathetic.

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 12:04 pm

      My guess is that Cody McLoud makes up his retribution on his old team the minute the puck drops. I’m not denying a suspension worthy hit to try and gain back some rep around the fanbase. Quinn uses him like AV was doing with Glass but instead like a Rottweiler. This is where Beleskey might earn his way, score some goals, run people through the boards, agitate and take names.

      ADA and Smith will need to learn how to play basic hockey in their own end. Or else Hank will karate chop them in throats.

      • Aug 29, 2018 at 12:24 pm

        As usual, what the hell are you talking about? Quinn has never coached McLeod; yet you’ve concocted a ridiculous present-tense fantasy where Quinn will use McLeod deliberately to get suspended. Do you even watch the sport? Or do you just huff airplane glue all day while playing NHL video games?

        • Aug 29, 2018 at 12:37 pm

          That went right over your head MC

          • Aug 29, 2018 at 12:41 pm

            Glad to see your comprehension of muddled syntax and straight-up gibberish is better than mine. As Dave has asked us to stop talking to each other, I’m going to respect that—these are my last words with you.

            • Aug 29, 2018 at 12:50 pm

              Just know you are the aggressive fight starter one…also good day to you

              • Aug 29, 2018 at 2:29 pm

                McLeod has been a lifer in the Avs jersey up until 2017 + Quinn was a assistant coach for the Avs back in the day= ” Quinn has never coached McLeod ”

                MC’s logic bro

              • Aug 29, 2018 at 3:02 pm

                “Quinn uses him like AV was doing with Glass”—seriously, Mint? You’re going to imply that referred to Quinn’s usage of him during a 48-game stint as an assistant coach in Colorado? Ridiculous as usual. Assistants don’t pick the lineup, and are at best only partially responsible for running the bench during games. So obviously you’re talking about NY, where Quinn has not coached a game yet.

        • Aug 29, 2018 at 2:17 pm

          I don’t know what you’re smoking but this isn’t Quinn’s first rodeo behind a NHL bench. Back in the day he served as a assistant coach for Colorado Avalanche. I know that you thought that Cody only played for a the Preds but that isn’t true. McLoud and Quinn know each other, Quinn spoke about it briefly at his opening presser last month. You should have watched some old hockey games and the introduction of Quinn becoming the new head coach to correlate things.

          As I said before, Cody will act accordingly to Quinn’s in your face style hockey. He lost alot of rep in that last Nashville game with the cheap shots that the Rangers took.

          • Aug 29, 2018 at 4:25 pm


          • Aug 29, 2018 at 4:42 pm

            Quinn was an assistant coach in Colorado for 48 games. Not a head coach. To put it into perspective, that’s like calling Scott Arniel Neal Pionk’s coach. McLeod played 659 games as a member of the Avalanche. Quinn was an assistant coach for about 14% of McLeod’s time in Colorado.

            McLeod probably remembers Quinn less well than he remembers the names of the Avs’ clubhouse attendants. Especially given the fact that McLeod gets punched in the face for a living.

  • Aug 29, 2018 at 10:42 am

    why don’t we just wait and see how tough a season this going to be before we predict it. the start of any season is brand new so let’s not make it a downer before it even starts. maybe yes, maybe no but let’s just wait on it.

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 11:52 am

      Are you crazy bringing sane logic into our discussions?

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 11:54 am

      Yeah true but it makes it alot easier to predict Hayes future which could affect someone on the roster. We have to much info to dissect from Quinn’s, JG’ s and Hayes recent interviews on contract extensions.

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 6:09 pm

      Again, I love Mom!

      Never argue with mom!

  • Aug 29, 2018 at 2:03 pm

    My initial reaction to the hayes deal was he is a goner. Don’t necessarily feel as strong about it after seeing his reaction. His brother was almost out of the league a year or 2 ago when florida dumped him. I got the feeling this was a mutual deal to see where the team stands after this season and where Hayes stands also. If things go well for him this season he will probably get a long term contract but if the opposite happens it is going to be hard for the rangers to trade him. So I agree with others here that this deal really has a no win for either party. And any trade deadline value of him is not going to pan out. Cause if he has a great season I just can’t see the front office trading him at the deadline.

    As for Spooner or Namestikov or Zucc…let’s let the season pan out and see how they do. If the team goes south the only players not going anywhere are Hank and Krieder and skjei.

    I feel there is enough talent on this roster, however it pans out, that the rangers should be competitive……. not a playoff caliber team, but also not a team that starts the season 0 and 11 like arizona did last year. I feel if the Rangers slump like that this season it is a cultural/locker room issue. And the franchise has started this whole boston movement with hayes quinn shattenkirk krieder etc…so with that point………… a lot would have to change to fix it.

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 3:00 pm

      What’s his brother have to do with Kevin’s contract extension? Jimmy just won the lottery to go play for Pittsburgh and maybe help them achieve another another cup with Crosby and Malkin. Every journeyman in this league would have wished to get picked up by Pitts.

      There was no clear signs of JG wanting to trade Hayes before the summer started or after. Tbh I thought with all the teams that checked in on him, that made it a clear giveaway that the team wasn’t going to trade him. JG wasn’t going to pay him north of 5 mill for a one and done deal while losing his leverage in the trade market. It’s a win lose for the NYR’s and a win, win for Hayes camp. He get’s to play for a 6+ million dollar contract. Rangers finally get a center who can play in all situations and still post up around 60+ points. If he falls off than he could resign with the team at a lesser cost and term or test free agency where most definitely a team would gamble on him with a fat contract. Sorry but this is the same prove it contract that William Karlsson is in.

      • Aug 29, 2018 at 5:36 pm

        What do you think made kevin not sign with Chicago out of college? Do you think possibly it was how they treated his older brother? If you think his brother’s predicament had/has no effect on how he makes decisions I am dumbfounded. I will just say this …brothers always talk.

        • Aug 29, 2018 at 10:25 pm

          Okay back to the original statement: So since brother’s talk, you thought Kevin was going to be like eff the NHL since ” his brother was almost out of the league a year or 2 ago when Florida dumped him “??? I’m still wondering what that has to do with Kevin’s contract extension and with the NYR’s? I think you tried dragging down his bro’s name for a reason. Seeing how your opinion of this contract talk is a lose lose than you must have thought that making fun of JH could be a indirect shot at KH. Lol w/e though…

          Since you like digging holes I’ll answer you with this. His family member had cancer during this time frame so he wanted to be close to home for that. You’re semi right but I’m leaning more with what he actually said and why he denied playing with P Kane and Teows. He saw opportunity with a brass who were local boys, a place to learn to be a NHL centerman on the fly, a player ( Stepan ) who he knew could help push out and most importantly a team that was close to home.
          to not come to the Bruins, I think all three of them are pretty stable right now.

          • Aug 30, 2018 at 2:36 am

            Hey mint you know hayes don’t you? He is like your best friend forever! BFF’s for life baby! Post a pic of him and his family since you know so much about him. And all the offers Gorton got for him.

            I think kevin sucks and jimmy is worse and neither one should be on a nhl team. If there is a hayes on your team you are a losing franchise! I mean the guy can’t score past 40 points and having a full season of pp time and 2nd line assignments! What garbage. Trash. Trade him for a bag of pucks!

            Bro I thought I was a loser but you make me realize how much of a winner I am compared to you! Keep it up man. Thanks.

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 6:58 pm

      Upstate mom has inspired me:

      ^”If things go well for him this season he will probably get a long term contract but if the opposite happens it is going to be hard for the rangers to trade him. So I agree with others here that this deal really has a no win for either party.”

      No win for either party? perhaps you should read your own post.
      “if things go well…” signs long term and wins 3 Cups with the NYRs. first ballot HOFer….you never know…

      • Aug 29, 2018 at 9:37 pm

        thanks for the correction. I often think I write things but 10 second tom takes over and I forget to put what is in my brain down that second. lol…

        He can’t win…cause short term he has a great season but falls off the following seasons of a long term contract and ends up getting bought out…which rangers fans know all to well. with a good season the rangers front office wont trade him so that aspect is gone…and the more likely options like it is a flop of a season only pans out well for the front office but not for the team overall. Hayes is no exceptional talent. As I have said before he is a poor mans zettenberg. So where in this do you see a win? At best the guy is a 60 point man and didnt we just trade that for DeAngelo and Lias?

        But everyone is entitled to dream big. 3 cups and a first ballot hall of famer is a good dream. Personally I see 10 straight cups and surpasses Gretzky on the all time point list!

        Disagreeing with someone is fine but smoking cracks kills kid!

        • Aug 29, 2018 at 10:36 pm

          Nah you can’t be a 60 point player when you haven’t even surpass 59 points yet. Stepan’s a 2c who can barley score 20 goals. Only certain Rangers fans would stretch that out as a 1b who is a 60 point player even though he’s never touched that number once. Go look up JG’s presser after that trade went down and after they drafted Lias. He mentioned it twice on how Hayes was a big reason on why he could have flipped Stepan. It makes perfect sense for him to turn around and resign Hayes by next February, but for now I’m sure he’s happy with his payday 🙂

        • Aug 30, 2018 at 9:14 am

          once again Odi, you miss the point. Dreaming big is what you should be doing this time of year!

          That’s the point!

          You certainly can’t guarantee me that you point of view will be correct.

          • Aug 30, 2018 at 1:05 pm

            Only things in life that are guarantees are death and taxes. All else is chance.

            I am no dreamer if you haven’t noticed. I am a realist. I think by me saying we can all dream at the end of my rant says I did get your point, just don’t agree with it.

            nothing wrong with that.

  • Aug 29, 2018 at 2:39 pm

    Hayes isnt losing value with each passing day,,,

    If that we’re true, there would be a lot more activity in the NHL this time of the year. Unless blown away, Gorton is not going to trade hayes till around the deadline bc that’s when any player to be traded typically has the most value because more teams could be in the running for his services thus driving up the value

  • Aug 29, 2018 at 4:13 pm

    I can’t see the logic retaining zuccarello’s hockey services. He likely won’t sign up for third line duty(and commensurate $), and they just drafted 3 first rd pick forwards and probably a higher fourth coming that need to play important minutes in this REBUILD.

    Facts before feelings folks .

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 4:31 pm

      Agree – Zuc seems like a goner at the deadline if he is healthy and playing at least his usual game. He puts up the most points on the team, given his age he’s a declining asset, and given his reasonable contract can probably fit under many contenders’ cap.

    • Aug 29, 2018 at 9:41 pm

      I would love it if this was a franchise based on facts. We might have actually won more than 2 cups. Zuc isn’t going anywhere unless the sea’s part and hank is gone. This is your new leadership group since Mac and Step are gone. I am sure he doesn’t want to play anywhere but here also. Well maybe pitt. but hell would have to freeze over for another guy to end up there.

      • Aug 29, 2018 at 10:49 pm

        I don’t think Stepan was ever really apart of your leadership group, he got handed one due to experience. At least no young guys like Fast, VC, Skjei or center’s like Zib and Hayes ever talked about his experience and looking up to him. You never heard about that, even after he freaked out on the bench in 2017 once, nobody rallied behind him or took it to the press after the game about his leadership like most teams do lol. JG wouldn’t have sent his top 6 center who’s in his prime of his career to the desert if he knew people cared, that’s how you rip apart locker rooms. Look at how the team reacted when Brass got traded… Huge difference in the social media world and news articles after Stepan got casted off.

        Sadly Zucc could very well get traded. If Vesey and Vladd shows growth and the kids show they want to be here than that’s a rap for Zuccy.

      • Aug 29, 2018 at 11:05 pm

        Why keep peddling out a “leadership group ( I think this is overrated anyway)” that hasn’t been good enough to win ? May as well start out afresh.

  • Aug 30, 2018 at 12:46 pm


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