Some Tuesday thoughts

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Another day, another few hours closer to the draft. These days drag because we know something is coming, but we don’t know what or when. The Rangers are expected to be busy, hopefully before the draft because I have a wedding during the draft. Anyway, here’s just some ramblings I’ve been thinking about lately.

1. It is entirely possible to think that 1) The Derek Stepan/Antti Raanta for the #7 and Tony DeAngelo was a bad trade, 2) The Rangers reached for Lias Andresson at #7, and 3) Lias Andersson will be a good hockey player. I believe all three. However in this black and white world of absolutes –remember that only a Sith deals in absolutes– you aren’t allowed to believe two of these, let alone all three. Let’s live in the grey people. Both in hockey and in life.

2. I’m intrigued to see what the Rangers do with Ondrej Pavelec. Do they re-sign him as a veteran backup? That gives Alex Georgiev time in the AHL as a full time goalie. Or do they let Georgiev backup Hank? I know we focus so much on other aspects of the roster, but this is an important one as well.

3. I’m also very intrigued to see what happens with the kids after they make their first mistakes. It’s been so long since we were able to watch kids make mistakes without being benched for the rest of the game. What is the breaking point for a benching? What is the breaking point for a healthy scratch? These are things we are going to learn as the season wears on.

4. Lindy Ruff appears to be staying put, which baffles me. I don’t have much else to say on Ruff that hasn’t been said already. He’s an older Alain Vigneault. I got nothing.

5. It’s interesting looking at mock drafts, because outside of Dahlin/Svechnikov, no one has any idea what is going to happen. Some have Wahlstrom sliding to 9, others have him going 3 and Zadina slipping to 7. It’s funny to see. That may be a good reason to stay put and not trade up, since there is no consensus and everyone is viewing each prospect differently.

6. I really hate the rule that goalies can’t be captains. Henrik Lundqvist should have the ‘C’ next year.

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126 thoughts on “Some Tuesday thoughts

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:14 am

    1. I would have taken Mittlestat or Tippet, probably Tippet for his goal scoring.
    2. Give the job to Alex.
    3. We have the anti-AV.
    4. DO NOT put Ruff behind the bench during games, and it will be fine. Make him an advisor, not an in game asst.
    5. I think that we will end up with a D man, unless the Rangers love Farabee at 9. No way Wahlstrom slips to 9, and especially not Zadina.
    6. 100% yes.

    So, it appears like Ranger management is mulling whether to truly go young with their roster, which will make some Ranger fans happy. It seems like whatever happens at the draft will determine their direction. So it’s 50/50 whether they add vets or not. Maybe Kovy priced himself out of NY.

    It also appears like OEL will indeed re-sign with the Yutes. My boys telling me that teams that have called about OEL for trade were told he is now off the trade market.

    Lots of moving parts, lol.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 7:32 am

    This draft won’t make next year any better. If we can sign a few reasonable FAs then maybe we will have a competitive team. I do not want Nash back. Let the kids play some pro hockey and prep for 19/20.

    Quinn also needs time to become an NHL coach, so he will also make mistakes.

    Ruff as an eye in the sky is fine with me.

    Pionk and DeAngelo need to start as well as Chytil and Andersson. Let’s do this!

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 11:32 am

      So are we just going against what the GM said about this retool? It was pretty clear that this roster won’t be just all kids type of experiment. Why not just say that you hope Nash doesn’t come back? It probably won’t happen but expect a vet to get signed here or traded soon.

      Your expectation of Andersson should come down a bit. Howden is going to be some straight up competition for him to make the team. I’m not going to add that a resign Vesey could lower his chances to make the team out of camp along with an addition to the prospect pool could all push him down.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 7:39 am

    1-The Anderson kid is for real, just give him time already. People are going to get pissed off at me, but here it comes, he WILL be better than Daisy in a year, or two at best. He plays a solid 200 foot game, can skate, (when was the last time anyone said that about Step?, never), and will out score him.

    2-Let the kid get the shot, I believe he is also a very good goalie, and will show he can really play especially with a real defense in front of him.

    3-The kids will learn to play the right, stub their toes on occasion, but will not be a part of the furniture like under you know who.

    4-If Ruff is to be a part of the staff, let him be the eyes in the sky, he certainly can do that well, air head that he is.

    5-As for moving up, or down for that matter, the draft hasn’t started yet, and all the deals we all are making is BS, JG will do his job, and I suspect it will be a good job at that!!!!!

    6-Hank being a captain, blah, no big deal either way……….

    Who knows what is coming down the pike, all I know is we should improve from the last few years, that’s all that matters to me!!!!!!!

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 7:43 am



      “Coyotes, Ekman-Larsson reach verbal agreement on extension”

      We just averted a potential disaster, great news for us, no more talk of going after OEL!!!!!!!!!

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 7:44 am

        guess you don’t read my posts, lol.

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 7:47 am


          Why would I?

          Seriously, I read it, and then went to the site to see what they had to say. Your spot on as usual, keep up the good work.

          • Jun 12, 2018 at 8:04 am

            Just busting your chops bro. 🙂

            • Jun 12, 2018 at 8:07 am

              I know!!!!!!! Have a good man paisan…….

              • Jun 12, 2018 at 8:14 am

                should have read, have a good day!!

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 8:05 am

      Andersson doesn’t have the greatest speed in the world either. not sure what you’ve watched of him. bad scouting job. unless they prioritized being able to play last season ….and that’s just a bad strategy.

      and if daisy means hayes …. that’s really hard to see.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 8:11 am

        Your busting my chops, everyone knows who Daisy is, Stepan, and the Anderson kid could skate rings around him, look a little closer!!!!!!

        As for Hayes, he is head and shoulders better than Daisy, and will have a break out year, mark my words please!!!!!!!!!

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 10:13 am

          why is stepan called daisy ? i must have missed that.

          • Jun 12, 2018 at 1:57 pm

            Just look at his game, Mr Softy…………

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 11:49 am

          Lol you shouldn’t get any credit around here if Hayes becomes a regular 60-65 point player. I’ve called it out plenty of times and said that he just needs time and a chance to prove it. When he lead the league and team in shorthanded goals and points I changed my expectations for him. If he continues to be a beast in that department and on the 5 on 5 with PP minutes then he might touch just north of 70 points. I think he’ll come down after that as a mid 60 point player. He will end up solidifying his role as a all situation type center who can square off against other top lines.

          You saying that Andersson will be better than Stepan is a major reach. I think that dude was overrated but I doubt Andersson puts up Hayes numbers as a shutdown 3c with no PP time and that gets you a 45-50 point production. He won’t ever touch Hayes PK franchise numbers. He also won’t have a place on the PP with guys like Howden and Chytil being above him. Sorry but where he stays on this roster and and his ability to play should put him as a 35-40 point player

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 9:13 am

      We really know NOTHING about Andersson or Georgiev, other than the fact that they’re young, and the franchise NEEDS them to succeed. A handful of meaningless games is no indicator of what they can do. Hopefully, they pan out(Andersson especially), but declaring either one of them as “for real,” right now, is wishful thinking at best.

      I’m not as optimistic about the draft as others are on this site. Until I see it, I have this bad feeling about this staff. They tend to go for the “reach.” And when the pick fails, they just shrug it off and live to pick another mistake.

      I am optimistic about the coaching pick. A teaching coach is what they need. Especially if they are serious about a youth movement. I have doubts about that too. but we shall see.

      Its not gonna’ be an overnight thing, no matter how much we over-value the young talent coming up. There’s gonna’ be a lot of god-awful hockey played in the next few years—but hopefully the process works the right way, and the team and the young guys are allowed to make their mistakes and grow from them.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 10:46 am

        Georgiev did more than play well in a handful of meaningless games. He was on fire before calling up in Hartford’s desperate bid to make the playoffs. He was a legitimately good tender for two months. Of course, many goalies have found it for a stretch and never found it again – but we saw was real (for 2018).

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 12:50 pm

          I stand by my comments. The games WERE meaningless-even if he did play well. And— the AHL is NOT the NHL; no matter how much we want to think they’re comparable. Hey, I hope he turns out to be something—it would solve a problem until the other Russian kid gets here. I just think we need a way longer sample to make that determination.

          That goes for all the prospects. Hype is one thing, harsh reality is a bitch!

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 12:58 pm

          I stand by my comments. Its still to small of a sample to declare that he is ready to be the backup. I hope he turns into something; it would solve a problem going forward. I just don’t think you can hand him the backup job based on such a few amount of games.

          Same goes for ALL the young guys. Nobody knows just yet whether any of them are the “real deal” or not. We need to moderate the expectations and just see what they are.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 12:03 pm

        Georgiev proved his worth 5x more than Andersson who looks like Oscar Lindberg when he skates. There was a time when this team could have qualified to get into the playoffs and Georgiev was in net. He showed more during his sample size with the team and honestly just needed a chance. Andersson had two of them and looked shaky in both tries with the team.

        JG released something that basically said how they won’t pull pick another Andersson type with their 1st round. I don’t remember word for word but it had to do with the statement when he announced how they won’t pick from this upcoming draft as a position of need and would go for the overall best talent. I thought that was blatantly obvious that they knew how they screwed up with the 7th pick last summer.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 7:53 am

    1. Your opinion about the Stepan trade should loosely correlate to your opinion about AV. The Rangers make the playoffs and AV is still behind the bench if that trade wasn’t made. I think Andersson will be better than Stepan, so I think the Rangers are better for it.

    2. Georgiev should be the backup next year and Pavelec should walk. In two years we are expecting Shestyorkin to be here, which will trap Georgiev in the AHL until Hank retires. Another advantage of giving Georgiev an opportunity next year is that if he shows enough, Seattle will target him instead of some other Rangers. It is better to lose a good backup goalie than a top 6 forward or top 4 blueliner.

    3. Every coach benches players. AV, like Keenan, seemed to have little tolerance for mistakes. It will be interesting to see Quinn’s breaking point.

    4. I never cared for Ruff. I wasn’t happy when they brought him in and am not happy he’s still here.

    5. Mock drafts are enjoyable to analyze, but I think some people aren’t good enough to pay much attention to. I saw one where the first five Rangers picks were defenseman (Evan Bouchard, K’Andre Miller, Alexander Alexeyev, Jett Woo, and Adam Ginning). While these are all good prospects, the only way this is the Rangers draft is if there isn’t a single defenseman on the roster who can play Quinn’s game OR the rest of the league is reaching for forwards to the point where the BPA played D (’s mock has the Rangers taking Ginning @ #28). With that said, I’ve seen several who believe Bouchard will get taken #9.

    6. I disagree because it would slow down the game. Lundqvist can be a captain of the team, just not an on-ice captain as Luongo was about 10 years ago in Vancouver.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 12:35 pm

      Stepan was getting destroyed in his old role, which is why AV assigned it to Hayes. Step wouldve had a productive season, but that team still would’ve been a marginal playoff team and AV would still be gone, but Step would be a albatross contract going forward.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 8:45 am

    I think many here are underestimating Andersson. He’s going to a very good player.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 8:58 am

    1. We can’t judge Step/Raanta trade until we see what Quinn can do with DeAngelo. Everyone is talking about how some 19 year old kid who just played for Sweden at Worlds is a total bust already, which is absolute madness. Let the kid develop. If in 2-3 years, he’s a 50-60 point guy who plays a solid 200 foot game, we got a younger, cheaper (more handsome) version of Step…. which in itself is frustrating, but a win. If he turns into anything more than that, this is a great trade. DeAngelo could be icing on the cake, but if Lias at a minimum replaces Stepan’s output, this trade is a win solely for resetting the clock on a player.

    2. Don’t care who the backup is. Benny’s gonna turn him into great future assets. So whatever. Both Alex and Pav will be serviceable this year

    3. I’m with you, Dave. No idea what’s gonna happen but damn am I excited to watch these kids struggle (weird sentence to finally be able to say, but I smiled typing it)

    4. Hey, Ruff is a great “hockey guy”… come on now. You don’t have to win Stanley Cups, or you know, anything, to be a great “hockey guy” (entirely sarcasm).

    5. I’m with you here, draft is deep enough that unless we can get into the top 3, which is borderline impossible, I say stay put at 9. We are getting an impact player there. I know people are low on Tzachuk, but he at 9 is great value. He at 7+ is not. Bouchard, Tzachuk, Wahlstrom, any of those three we walk away with at 9 is amazing

    6. While I agree with you, true leaders don’t need a letter, and players don’t need to see a C to know who their captain is.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 12:00 pm

      I can subscribe to what you’re saying here – for the most part. Re: Ruff, he WAS a damn good hockey guy …. 10 years ago. The game has passed him by in the same way it has passed by a number of coaches who were successful in a prior era. Adapt or die. I fear he’ll be on the bench … hopefully he doesn’t run the defense the same way he did last year, hopefully.

      WAY too early to judge the Stepan trade. Andersson is an intriguing player and people need to give him some time to adjust to the NHL. Obviously we aren’t the only organization to value him pretty highly … for a 19 year old to be selected to the Swedish WC team is a pretty big statement considering the pool of players they had to choose from — and this in spite of all the criticism he garnered at the WJC just months earlier.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 12:19 pm

        Please you would be using that line for Trotz if the Caps failed another post season. I’m not a fan of his but AV could get a team to the Cup Finals. The team just needs to have a average goalie and strong locker room presence to overcome any of his faults in his coaching method. He should have a cup to his name by now but the Nucs decided to play the Bruins game. It’s why he has PTSD for anyone not turning a cheek away to that after the whistle nonsense. Btw Chicago’s and LA’ s old heads have a few cups with their names on it.

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 2:29 pm

          Trotz Nashville failure teams were never as good as AV’s Nucks or Rangers teams, in my opinion. His past 2 Capitals team have been very good, but fallen victim to Sidney/Hank, can’t really fault him for 2 seasons of failures with very good teams. And major difference between Trotz, AV, and Lindy… Trotz has actually won. End of the day, cups matter, AV and Lindy have never finished the job, Trotz, now has.

          As for the Chicago/LA old men, while I agree with you, again, they’ve consistently won in this league, recently. Kopitar/Carter/Doughty, Kane/Toews/Keith, don’t hurt either. You and I could probably have won a cup or two with that core for 10+ years haha

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 9:00 am

    Lias Andersson will be a Letter bearer for us, but we could’ve traded down to get him
    Middlestat, Vilardi or Tippett had to be the pick at 7 but now Andersson is a Ranger and instead of bitching about him, let’s root him on to success. He has done his part.

    Georgiev play him and trade him so we don’t lose him in the expansion draft

    A rebuild doesn’t have healthy scratches, this is what you call gaining experience, so they will play.

    Lindy Ruff being around is not such a bad thing as long as he isn’t the HC

    Mock drafts are a funny thing but they do point to how deep this draft is. However I also see best available being written down after 5, which is idiotic. This is the main factor in Edmonton’s failure. Rangers need right handed players period D and O and they are out there. This is a draft for need draft.

    Lundqvist as “C”….no….I also think the letter bearers should be skaters. My bias of Lundqvist is not in play here, I have held this view from the days of JD

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 9:03 am

    2. Let Georgiev back up Hank. No need to spend more money than we need to. He’s not the goalie of the future anyway.

    5. Mock drafts are all over the place, but it seems that top 10 is pretty set:

    Tier 1. Dahlin
    Tier 2. Svechnikov, Zadina
    Tier 3. Tkachuk, Dobson, Bouchard, Hughes, Boqvist, Wahlstrom, Kotkaniemi

    You see everyone in tier 3 (maybe except Kotkaniemi) going anywhere from 4 to 10, but rarely outside of top 10. Unless Rangers go off the board again, we
    will see one of those guys on the Rangers in 2019-2020.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 12:12 pm

      Any and all of those guys at 9 would be a great value too. Obviously there’s the hope 3-8 loose their minds and one of the top 5 guys slip to 9 but that’s not likely going to happen.

      I saw 1 mock draft with Quinn falling to 9, and one with Kotkaniemi falling as well. The mock drafters are all over the board with this group. My only hope is that the Rangers don’t try to outsmart themselves at this pick and let a top 9 guy slip to draft someone in the 4th tier.

      The Athletic’s 2.0 mock draft has them draft Kotkaniemi at 9. Carp has them drafting 3 Fs (2cs and 1W) in the first. I just don’t see that with 3 picks and not going after 1 D though. I would bet on them taking a chance on Merkley though if he reaches them at 26, and they didn’t acquire or move any of their 1st rounders

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 12:20 pm

        Rangers still looking for right handed shooting ‘D’. If available at 9, its a no brainer, otherwise i would think Kotkaniemi is the pick.

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 1:00 pm

          I dont agree with it, but Athletic consensus mock draft draft today had nyr with kotkaniemi.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 9:14 am

    Lundqvist is not captain material. He plays for himself not the team. I don’t understand how everyone has written off Lias Andersson so early in his career. I hope Bouchard is available at the nine spot and the Rangers select him. He plays a lot like McDonough, who the Rangers miss.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 9:23 am

      Not “everyone” has written off Andersson, but I just don’t get how so many have….
      He only played a handful of games for the Rangers, seven I believe. Again I’ll say that he’s going to be a very good player.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 12:27 pm

        A very good role player yes but as it stands Jesper Fast holds that title. His main role will on the PK and as that stands he would be like the 4th or 5th best one on this team. Every report that I read about him said that he’s a Swiss army knife who can move up and down the lineup and play on either wing.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 9:26 am

      Oh yeah because a guy who only plays for himself would tell a rebuilding team at age 37 that he doesn’t want to get traded to a contender because he loves this team so much. Really selfish of him

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:27 pm

        I get the view point here but there is always another side to that coin.

        One could easily say he loves the team cause he doesn’t want to move and uproot his life just so he could play for a contender. And he knows he has a guaranteed shot at the number 1 role.

        It has been said playing all sports is just a life of competition to see who is the best. And when you play at the very top level if your goal is not to get the cup………. someone might question why?

        So at 37, if you have accepted your fate in the NHL and are happy making 10 million a year in the city that you know and love is that really being a team guy or just at the very least being comfortable with your life and playing out the rest of your career for the one you started in.

        Ray boruque left the bruins to join the AVS and I honestly respect him for it. It showed me he was literally willing to do anything to be the best in this sport. If he sucked like Iginla then the same thing that happened to jerome would have come to him. But instead he made the AVS that much better. Therefore his name is on the cup. I know this is seen as a selfish move but I would rather have someone willing to win no matter what then just accepting their fate and riding out the twilight of their career.

        I guess the real life equivalent would be a guy at say 55 yrs old getting a better offer by a landslide with a another company but this company is in another state. Do you ride it out til 65 with your company or take a shot and try to be the best you can?

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:57 pm

          All great points and while I don’t necessarily agree with them, I get what you’re saying. If Hank decided he wants to leave, for the same reasons you mentioned about Ray Bourque I would 100% respect and understand it (and quite frankly not blame him). But I do not understand how anyone could say he’s selfish and doesn’t play for the team. The guy has poured his heart and soul into this franchise and made average teams cup contenders.

          As to your analogy about the old man. If I’m 55, with all of my family in New York City, making a great living. And am offered double my salary, to move to Winnipeg, and finish out my career at the “top” of my profession. Pretty much no chance on earth I’m uprooting my entire life for an ego and paycheck boost. That’s just me though, plenty of people would go to Kansas for a paycheck haha

          • Jun 12, 2018 at 5:21 pm

            Hank’s decision to stick with the Rangers tells us nothing either way about his selfishness without additional information. If the front office leaned on him one way or the other (AFAIK, we don’t know if they had a preference or if they did what it was) and he resisted, he was selfish. If he fell into line against his own wishes, he was very unselfish.

            As for what his own interests are, well it’s not like he can just go somewhere and win a Cup. In fact, this year, being hurt, he wouldn’t have helped anyone. But in the best of scenarios, it is still a crap shoot. And he like NY, lives well here, and is a hero here, it’s a lot to give up.

            Finally goalies are not the same as skaters. Give me Ray Bourque and I have to bench one of my third pair guys. It’s a big win. Most contenders already have pretty good goalies.

            • Jun 12, 2018 at 5:37 pm

              I agree there’s no way to know. But if he wanted out, he could absolutely force his way out. If he said he’d waive his NMC, Gorton and crew would’ve traded him in a heartbeat to accelerate this rebuild. (Disclaimer, I don’t want him traded, it’s a win win situation IMO, either recoup a ton of assets, or keep a legend of a goalie).

              Agreed most contenders have pretty good goalies. But with the exception of Price, Rinne, and maaaaybe Bobrovsky. Nobody gives you a better chance night in/out than Hank. But then again, proven time and time again, you don’t need a super star goalie to win a cup. Just one that plays like a superstar for 20 games

              • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:09 pm

                Actually, Hank would net next to nothing in trade unless the Rangers agreed to eat half his salary – and maybe not much then. The trade market for goalies is just really bad. How many teams want an aging tender coming off two bad years on an expensive three year deal?

                Here is the market for Lundqvist. Hank rebounds next year and somebody has a problem. E.g., Rinne gets hurt, Winnipeg decides Hellebuyck isn’t quite good enough. But unless a team sees their goalie situation as damaging a good Cup opportunity, they are not going to pay much for Hank — and nobody will in June or July.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 10:22 am

      Based on skills he’s displayed in tc, training camp and 9 game cameo. Obviously not big body of work but seems better suited to bigger ice.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 10:03 am

    Would like to see them keep Spooner and trade Namestikov

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 10:34 am

    I’m ok with trading any of the vets, but no need to rush it. If someone wants to overpay for any vet here here. Otherwise wait until March and see what the landscape looks like then. We are in a position where time is on our side let someone reach and overpay. We are not winning anything in the next couple of years.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 10:56 am

    1. There is a difference between a bad (unfortunate) trade or move and an unwise one. The expectations for a player like DeAngelo have a range. [For some high ceiling players, that range is quite broad.] Generally speaking, if the player ends up near the bottom of the range, it will be a bad trade. A trade is unwise when your range is wrong. In this case, I think JG overestimated the range.

    2. I think resigning Mazanec is the answer. The Rangers only signed six tenders this year because of injuries; five is almost always the case. Georgiev will be in NY.

    4. A wise man can gain wisdom from many sources.

    6. A big problem with the Rangers is that Lundqvist has been the de facto captain. I could see a Brodeur or Talbot or Rinne or Fleury as a captain. A stay at home guy like Hank or Holtby, bad idea.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 10:59 am

    Luongo was the captain of the Canucks, it’s not an entirely enforced rule. He’s just not allowed to go stand by the ref’s half circle and argue calls or have a C/A on the sweater.

    Luongo put his on the mask. It was also his lowest save percentage so maybe it’s not worth putting that on Hank’s Shoulders at this point in his career.

    Like has been mentioned before in the thread the guys in the room know who the captains are, letters or not.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 12:07 pm

    Never liked the Stepan trade. DeAngelo has been traded often for a couple of reasons – because he cannot play ‘D’ as a defenseman and is a head case. If he can’t get it together, then he gets traded for a 4th at best.

    Alone in a trade, Stepan could have pulled as much as Tatar (1st,2nd and 3rd round pick).
    Raanta alone could have pulled a 3rd. Stepan = desperate salary dump because Sather paid way too much for Staal/Giradi long term and we held onto Nash too long. Gorton is a slow learner. Very average GM. Lets see how he does in this draft.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 12:49 pm

      I think JG tried his best on that trade. I’m reading between the lines on that trade it showed me that the market wasn’t high on Stepan. If you were a fan of his than I know you won’t like hearing that but I think it’s the truth.

      This past season SNY posted up a article of Stepan doing a interview with someone down in AZ. He basically said that he knew that he was on the trade block since 2016 and even his wife saw it coming since than.

      So in my estimation this confirmed that JG was shopping him and that those Minnesota reports talking about how they didn’t think the asking price was worth it was 100% true. A local guy not going back home to Minny must have left a black mark on him for any contenders to follow and not make cap room for him. This helped move Brassard out of the blue. Weeks leading up to that trade was just him talking to the NYR press after clean out day about playing with that Russian kid (Buch). I think the locker room even knew that Stepan was a goner after the fallout of the Pitts series because Brassard was pretty confident in staying. I don’t think it was the managements fault that nobody bit on a 50-55 point center who lacks faceoff ability and always touching less than 20 goals per season. I could have easily called out that return but I would have been looked at as a troll. JG picking Andersson at #7 was a calculated mess up on his part but he did good damage control in the Brett Howden pickup.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 2:41 pm

        Boy, if that’s true, that Stepan knew he was going to be traded before his NTC kicked in, Stepan must be pissed at his agent. Those NTCs are intended to keep the player out of places like Arizona.

        Anyone have an idea if there was another player the Rangers targeted last year with the #7 pick before another team simply grabbed him first? Andersson seems like a decent prospect, but he definitely has that aura of a fall back pick and certainly doesn’t fit the profile of a prospect you are willing to trade up for. Middle 6 centers are usually pretty easy to find in the second round of the draft, Stepan and Dubinsky being good examples of middle six centers that were second round picks.

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:14 pm

          I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic but that’s honestly what he said. He even went into full details about how he knew that the Yotes were keeping tabs on him since ever since the 2015-16 season. If you want more clarity to what he said then it’s pretty easy to browse for it.

          Lol I never looked at it that way with the agent and all but that’s how the interview went down. I suspected that the Rangers did him dirty along with his agent. Talk him into letting that NTC kick in 2 years after the signing while they tell him he’s good underneath the table which should equal out to being safe for 4 seasons. He’s a sucker though, he should have at least taken the first 2 seasons with the NTC. He knew Hayes was waiting in the background to rise up through the ranks so that’s more on him than anyone else.

        • Jun 13, 2018 at 11:30 am

          They were gunning for Elias Pettersson, he was at the top of the list for them.

          To lv : Bear in mind this was for the 7th pick in the draft, not one of the last picks in the 1st round (like Vegas traded for Tatar), big difference … Also, re: DeAngelo, he hadn’t been traded “often”, he had been traded once.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 12:49 pm

    So now that it’s official that OEL is staying in AZ, it shows that AZ is committed to make some noise now.

    This sets up the possibility of AZ and the Rangers being trading partners, where names like Zuc, Hayes, Nemer, and Spooner may come into play, for the Rangers to trade up to the 5th spot.

    Certainly something to watch for. The possibilities are endless, lol.

    It also establishes a market for Carlson this year and eventually Karlsson for next year.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 1:20 pm

      Do you do Spooner, Zucc & #9 for AZ #5?

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 2:04 pm

        If Tkachuk gets grabbed before 5, I could see AZ willing to swap. They want him for positional need, immediacy of jumping into the lineup and all the AZ angles on the PR front.

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:15 pm

          Rangers want Tkachuk so I don’t know if they even trade up if he’s not available at #5.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:14 pm

        Would I do that deal? No. If anything Spooner and the #9. Add something if you have to. I would use Zuc as a chip for an NHL impact player.

        And, the only way the Rangers move up to 5 is if Tkachuk is available. If he’s picked prior to 5 then I don’t know if the Rangers move up to grab Wahlstrom. Quinn wants Brady badly, no surprise.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 1:56 pm

      All it shows is that they still have to do heavy lifting to get to the salary floor for next season and the season after that. They will remain a floor team until they qualify for revenue sharing. They’re close, but not there yet.

      If a team wants to eat a signing bonus on a 2019 expiring, they’re willing to listen after July 1.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:17 pm

        I think that they think that they can make the playoffs next year, which would be a huge financial boost for them.

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:52 pm

          Only the 1st round is where the teams make bank; after that greater chunks go to the league for redistribution(that’s why you see the dasher board ads change.)

          When they were in bankruptcy court, the numbers suggested that they needed to improve ticket, merch & concession sales by 30% and make the playoffs *as a floor team* to not only break even, but qualify for revenue sharing.

          That they’re heading towards competitiveness when spending below the actual floor and could do it next year is pretty amazing.

          • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:34 pm

            We take for granted, here in NY, how much more playoff revenue means to lower market teams.

            Of course it’s important here, but it’s gravy here. In lower market areas, it could mean the difference between surviving and not surviving.

            • Jun 12, 2018 at 10:44 pm

              The most recent national TV deal really took the pressure off. The local TV deal, they were buying time on Fox and selling the ad time themselves.

              • Jun 13, 2018 at 6:25 am

                I’m kind of rooting for them to be successful. I don’t know why, but I am.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 3:26 pm

      Really would only care to move up to that #5 for what the cost will be if Zadina/Wahlstrom is still available there, personally. If Gorton can pull it off while waiting to see what MTL does – namely, if they take Tkachuk, of course – then I’m all for it, within reason. I still am not keen on the idea of shipping Hayes out personally, unless it’s part of something that leads to an established top tier player (preferably in the 25ish age range) coming back. I also suspect that the NYR front office likes Hayes a lot more than some fans do, but that is 100% purely just a gut feeling.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:22 pm

        I don’t like the idea of trading Hayes unless there is a Plan B for the 2C spot, because I don’t see Nemer filling it, which is what would happen as of now.

        I would say the “most likely” to be dealt are Nemer and Spooner. Hayes and Zuc are next but it would take a good deal for the Rangers to do it, though I think that Zuc is a lot more likely to be traded than Hayes.

        The Rangers want to see what this coach will do for the American players already on the team.

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:14 pm

          No way Hayes is traded…we don’t even know if Lias makes the team, and if he does, is he 4th line? Can the ‘safe pick’ even put up 30 points?

          • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:36 pm

            Don’t say “no way” about Hayes but unlikely.

            As I said, I would not like unless they had a back up plan at 2C.

            • Jun 12, 2018 at 7:29 pm

              Hayes strikes me as the kind of guy who doesn’t score all that much, isn’t very impressive but does a lot of useful things. In short a good player who won’t be overpaid or net that much in trade.

              Dumb GMs won’t want him and smart GMs won’t give you enough.

              • Jun 12, 2018 at 7:54 pm

                I think that the Rangers are anxious to see certain players play under the new coach, to see what he can get out of them.

                Hayes being front and center, along with Kreider.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    I will not do Zucc Spooner and 9 for 5
    I will do Spooner, Zuc and Skjei combo for 10 to 15….not trading any of the picks this year

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 2:49 pm

      You just can’t trade Skjei unless you already have a replacement. None on the current roster.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:38 pm

        I suppose you could if you wanted. Trade Skjei and then replace him with ADA or Howden.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:01 pm

      I’m not following you. You wouldn’t trade Zucc, Spooner and 9 for 5, but you would trade one of them plus Skjei for 10-15? That makes zero sense.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 5:36 pm

        I took it as 10 through 15 so 5 total picks. I could be wrong but only he can say.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:03 pm

        Someone suggest a trade for 5 that included Spooner Zuc and 9 and something else….no way to that

        I suggest a trade for 10 to 15 without giving up 9 and a combination of Zuc or Skjei and Namestnikov or Spooner

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:32 pm

          If you give up 9 and get 5 you still keep 3 1st round picks. Plus yo are much more likely to get a better prospect at 5 then at 9.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:25 pm

      The only trade I would do for Skjei is Trouba or Hamilton.

      You’re trading him to move up for the 10 to 15 picks? Please remove yourself from the GM table bro, lol.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:43 pm

        You’d be giving up way too much. Getting Trouba/Hamilton in return for a youthful Skjei with his best years ahead of him is a bad move.

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:38 pm

          Do you have any idea how old Trouba and Hamilton are?

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 5:38 pm

        Out of curiosity, trying to see what say a #12 pick was worth, I just looked up the various choices since 2000. An illustrious group with future HOFers like Hugh Jessiman and Steve Eminger. The three names that jumped out at me were Marc Staal (2005), Ryan McDonagh (2007) and Cam Fowler (2010). Maybe I missed one or two good players, but it looked like while a very good player is possible, chances are relatively small that you will end up with someone as promising as Skjei.

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:39 pm

          Agreed Raymond. Trading Skjei for a draft pick is not a wise move.

        • Jun 13, 2018 at 12:18 pm

          A bird in the hand …

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:35 pm

        Seriously. Why would you trade Skjei when the team is in need of defenseman. I hate to break it to this guy, but draft picks aren’t sure things either.

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:43 pm

          The mere suggestion that the Rangers build exclusively through the draft is misguided.

          The stats for the draft clearly indicate that if you get 2 NHLers out of the same draft that you had a very successful draft.

          Then add to the conversation whether you get an “elite” or at least “very good player” is not great either.

          Then add to the conversation the Rangers’ past draft history, and you have… 🙁

          • Jun 12, 2018 at 7:23 pm

            I looked up Ranger draft picks in the first 10 and it is really sad. Yes Brian Leetch in 1986 and Brad Park many moons ago were superb. Steve Vickers and James Patrick were good players, but that is about it. It’s a low bar for Andersson or the guy they pick this year to be the best since Leetch. And it points up the fact that you can’t count on anything.

            Malhotra had a good career, but not for the Rangers.

            • Jun 12, 2018 at 7:56 pm

              It’s what I have been saying for a long, long time.

              The number of drafted Rangers that turned ot to be elite or at least very good is sparse over the past 40 years.

              Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

          • Jun 12, 2018 at 8:07 pm

            Elite teams pull out 2 players in the draft per season, the Rangers are barely at one(and that’s from last season) with Gordie Clark running the draft.

            • Jun 12, 2018 at 8:15 pm

              Which is why I scratch my head when fans here want the draft to be the main source of the Rangers’ roster.

              Notice the trades for higher aged prospects, who are close to being NHL ready.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    Want a wake up call about the draft, check the draft of 2012 and see how poorly it was complied.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 3:23 pm

    we don’t have an issue with left handed D
    Lindgren, Smith, Rykov and Hajak

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:36 pm

      Leatherneck just let them babble…ask yourself how many people in your life have common sense? It really isn’t that common.

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:45 pm

        So all players are equal? A lefty D man is a lefty D man? They’re all the same?

        Tell which one of the players that Leather mentioned even comes close to Brady Skjei. Or even to the point that they can replace Skjei?

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 10:10 pm

          They are not all the same. It is just no reason to draft a left handed defensemen when you have that depth in the system. Or at least that was the point I got from Leatherneck’s post.

          • Jun 12, 2018 at 11:38 pm

            Exactly….we need right handed shots not more lefties

          • Jun 13, 2018 at 6:29 am

            That was not the point of Leather’s post. He said, trade Skjei because we have these other lefty D men to replace him.

            That would be fine if those other lefty D men were even comparable to Skjei, but they are not even close.

            Skjei will be one of the rocks for the Rangers’ D corps. He ain’t goin no where unless it’s for a top righty D man like Trouba or Hamilton.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:39 pm

    Don’l see enough evidence to see how anyone can make a case for or against Anderson

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 4:44 pm

      Keep in mind, while he only has 7 NHL games under his belt, he has played on the world stage many times and proven to be a force to be reckoned with. That should translate well to the NHL IMO

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 5:33 pm

      I have made it time after time. He constantly gets less ice time as games got tougher in the world tourney’s. His AHL stats are nothing to be proud of. He gets out produced consistently by a guy who was drafted 14 spots lower than him. He couldn’t make the team out of camp yet the guy who got picked later did. And even though we were short a 3rd and 4th Center last year at the start still couldn’t find a seat for himself at the start. I not saying he had to stay up. He just had to make it. But DD beat him out. How good can he be?

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 5:54 pm

        There is no real debate about how good Andersson is. The only question is how good will he be? If he never gets any better than he is now, he was a poor #7 pick. But he’s just a kid. Ranger brass and Dave expect him to up his game a few notches.

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 10:21 pm

          I think that is everyone’s hope who is a Rangers fan. But hope doesn’t make him an NHL player. Hard work and skill do. And it is a amazing how everyone touts this kid as the next great one but he has been nothing but a flop so far.

          Hence my reasoning for calling him such. If anyone actually would look at his stats from the tourneys then they could see he is mostly unfounded hype. But I like that he has a competitive heart.

          Just for a quick comparison #7 was Clayton keller in 2016. His tourney totals for the US was 13 points, 9, 14,11, 7.
          Lias totals are 4, 0, 9,3,7, and 2. Not exactly rippin it up.

      • Jun 13, 2018 at 12:29 pm

        You just don’t get it. It was a BIG deal that he even got selected for the World Championship team at his age and given the GREAT depth of the Swedish national Program. That isn’t like making the Czech team.

        … and re: his WJ performance, the kid played 2+ games with a broken wing — an injury that required weeks to heal after WJs. Still he almost doubled the production of Chytil.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 5:26 pm

    Spent last night for a little while looking at the possible FA centers we could sign. The only one that sort of makes sense is Thorton. Problem is in the real world I don’t think he leaves and secondly if he does leave it is going to be for a large amount of money. And to the latter half….I don’t think he will move for just a 1 yr deal. All the remaining FA centers are 4th liners or journey men. And honestly with Hayes Zibanejad Chytil andersson, Spooner, Namestikov….I feel we are well established there. Only way we sign a FA center is if it is Taveras and like most I don’t think that is happening at all. But as always I could be wrong. I wish it would but doubt it very much.

    Point 1.) A 1C and a 1G for a 7th Overall Pick and a maybe Defensemen on his 3rd team. You tell me who won?
    b.) Lias has made every swedish team but in every event has
    steadily lost time and point production as the games got more
    meaningful. (Doubt me go look for yourself)
    c.) Obviously someone sees something in him. It hopefully just hasn’t
    translated to the North American game. But til it does he is a flop.

    2.) Georgiev is the future. He proved his worth in the games he did get and it never hurts a goalie prospect as much as a forward or defender to ride the bench. Cause he may not get a ton of games but I guarantee he is going to learn more with Allaire up here then he will down at the AHL level. On top of that he is probably cheaper then Pavs so this is a no brainer.

    3.) I think a good sign of a good rookie coach or youth coach is to never bench anyone as long as the coach feels they are trying. Patience is key. Now if the opposite were to happen and someone is dogging it out there… no matter who …whether old or young ….ride the pine like it is his new girlfriend.

    4.) Ruff sticking around doesn’t baffle me. He was a Ranger, he coached Drury, it is the good ole boy approach which runs this franchise. Ever ask yourself what exactly does Drury have to make him a talent evaluator? Does he have a ton of experience recognizing youthful talent? And for that matter Leetch or Messier? I love these guys just as much as the next fan but as talent evaluators ….not really sure based on the recent picks they are too good. Now Gordie Clark on the other hand seems to be good with every 3rd or 4th pick.

    5.) 1000% agree. Let the cards fall as they may and then figure it out. Number 1 pick being defensemen really tells me it isn’t that deep of a draft…Look at the 2015 draft and Werenski was taken 8th and he is a damn good defensemen. I not sure what he was ranked prior to the draft but I would take him right now over any defender we have on our team.

    6.) C’s mark on a jersey is overrated. The leaders are known throughout the locker room by the players without some stupid letter. As far as a C’s on ice responsibilities give that to the most well liked player by the reff’s this way he does all the talking.

  • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:26 pm

    1. Tony DeAngelo: Has been evaluated as having great offensive skills wherever he played, The question is will he put his game together before he ages out of being a prospect and becomes a journeyman. Let’s see what Quinn can do with him.

    Lias Andersson: I like the kid a lot. Typical Swede with a 200 foot game and decent speed and hands, and fire in the belly too. Jeez he is 19, give him a chance! If he is not ready, let him play in Hartford for part of the season. He is young, he has time. Same thing with Filip Chytil, who is even younger than Andersson. He has time to mature.

    2. I liked what I saw in Georgiev in his short time with the Rangers. I think he would make a capable back up. My only question is whether he will get enough work with the Rangers, or should he be working on his game in Hartford for a while. Pav was fine, so it is a toss up in my mind. Georgiev has a bright future no matter what.

    3. If they end up with a team of mostly kids, they will be fun to watch. They may not win much but they will put it all out there on the ice. I look forward to cheering for them.

    4. I have fond memories of Lindy Ruff from many years ago when I was an undergrad in Buffalo watching the Sabres. However, he should not be behind the bench except as an eye for Quinn. The game is not the same game as it was in his day.

    5. I’m am not for trading up unless they can grab a stud.

    6. I would wait a while to see who should wear the letters. I have a feeling that Chris Kreider would not be a bad choice, but lets see how things go first.


  • Jun 12, 2018 at 6:32 pm

    Wow, it’s getting really nasty in Ottawa. Karlsson’s wife filing an order of protection against Hoffman’s girlfriend.

    True or not as to the accusations, there’s extremely bad blood there, so it would follow that players will be shipped out of Ottawa.

    Let the Karlsson to the Rangers rumors really heat up now.

    • Jun 12, 2018 at 7:22 pm


      Please don’t tell me you want him?????? Now if they throw their first round pick to take Karlsson off of their hands, I’d consider it…………….

      I do love the cat fight just the same though, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Jun 12, 2018 at 7:59 pm

        I wasn’t giving any opinion my friend. Simply stating that the Sens will be looking to “blow it up” now. I’m hearing the locker room is a total mess now, as evidenced by what’s happening now.

        And you know as well as I do, that when someone like Karlsson is available, the first team to be rumored to be going to is the Rangers.

        • Jun 12, 2018 at 11:00 pm

          I don’t think many of the posters seem to understand that you are just reporting what you hear/think. You aren’t taking a side one way or the other.

          • Jun 13, 2018 at 6:39 am

            Thank you James, 100% true. I’m just trying to share info for the group for conversational purposes. The latest:

            If the Rangers trade up to #5, then it’s for Tkachuk, 100%. So that means he must be available at #5 for that to even possibly happen. Doesn’t mean AZ will trade the pick but the Rangers will try hard to do it. AZ and NYR have been talking for months now on various things.

            If Kovy indeed wants more than $6M per and/or more than 2 years, then the Rangers will not bite.

            The Rangers would love to acquire Trouba, but that seems like a real long shot. There are mixed signals on the Karlsson situation as it relates to the Rangers. The sense is no more long-term contracts with exceptions. Tavares would be an exception but he’s not coming here. Is Karlsson? I don’t know. But if you re-read the Rangers’ letter from months ago, it clearly stated that they would be looking to add a “star or two” to the roster this offseason. Kovy being one and a D man being the other. Stay tuned.

            This draft will be the single most important day for the Rangers’ franchise in quite a long time. It will shape their direction for the forseeable future. Should be fun and interesting.

            • Jun 13, 2018 at 8:16 am

              Oh, and if the Rangers do stay at #9 in the draft and with their desire to draft a forward, Kotkiemi or whatever his name is, is a strong possibility.

              Or Farabee, a guy I mentioned 6 months ago. Farabee, while smallish, is a brilliant skater and tremendous competitor, not afraid to go in the dirty areas despite his size. I have heard that the Rangers may like him more than even Wahlstrom, so Farabee is definitely a possibility at #9.

            • Jun 13, 2018 at 8:21 am

              Yes it should be an interesting summer for the Rangers. I hope the rumors surrounding the Rangers and Oilers involving Lucic are false.

              • Jun 13, 2018 at 8:24 am

                IF, the Rangers go for a “tough guy” then it would be for a guy I mentioned the other day, Chris Stewart or MAYBE Ryan Reaves.

                No way they take on Lucic’s contract. Those days appear to be over.

        • Jun 13, 2018 at 7:29 am


          There is an audio interview on on this subject, and it appears that Karlssons wife was indeed bullied on line by Hoffman’s girlfriend. That locker room will be split in half, and people wonder why teams go into the tank when there is no harmony in the LR!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Jun 13, 2018 at 7:59 am

            Walt, this is just horrific and tragic, if the accusations are true about the alleged comments that Hoffman’s girlfriend supposedly made about the Karlsson’s unborn child.

            My friend has a friend who knows Anderson the goalie there, and Anderson supposedly said that he’s never seen a locker room like this and that it’s all falling apart.

            Very sad. These are athletes but they are human beings first. I think there is no choice but to blow up the team and start over. And that’s why I would not be surprised if Tkachuk does not get past the Sens at #4 because many believe that Brady is future Captain material.

  • Jun 13, 2018 at 7:53 am

    “Trouba and the Jets headed for another contract standoff” ??

    Above headlines are interesting, the Jets may be forced to trade Jake because he may be making too many demands???? There still may be hope in landing this guy!!!!!!!!!

    • Jun 13, 2018 at 8:03 am

      Trouba is at the top of the Rangers’ list, but he’s also at the top of 30 other team’s list as well. The trade cost will be exorbitant and probably excessive.

      I could see the Jets asking for Skjei AND Chytil which obviously is a non-starter. So the result may be something that you are not going to like my friend, and that is Karlsson may be more attainable, but the Rangers will not take on Bobby Ryan to do that deal.

      Fixing the D is at the top of Gorton’s “to do” list.

      • Jun 13, 2018 at 8:27 am

        If that’s what they want for Jake, keep him, there are other names to fill in the blank with.

        To your comment about the Sens locker room, and the possibility of them trading Karlsson to us. I would be very disappointed if they made that trade, unless they give us their #1 along with him, in exchange for our #1 (9). I could see Brady Tkachuk wearing he Ranger blue, and be very happy with that choice.

        • Jun 13, 2018 at 8:37 am

          Ok, I get the issue, if they trade for him then the assumption is that he gets a big contract after this coming year, I get that.

          But EK is still probably the best D man in the league and still in his prime. His points, even at less than a full season, would have made him our leading scorer on the Rangers.

          To be clear, I don’t love him either, but am I adverse to a “reasonable” trade and subsequent “reasonable contract” like Shatty got? Not at all. You add him and Kovy to the rest of the team already assembled and I think that you have a competitive team that could make a lot of noise.

          But under no circumstances do I do that deal if Bobby Ryan has to come with it. Again, under no circumstances. Zero. None.

          Tkachuk falling to #5 might be a stretch at this point, which is probably the most gettable top 5 pick the Rangers could trade for. I do not see the top 4 trading their pick, but the Habs are stupid so you never know. And would the Sens take all 3 Ranger firsts for their #4 pick? Maybe, if they are truly starting over.

          • Jun 13, 2018 at 9:49 am

            Not sure if this matters (I’m just trying to read the tea leaves) but if they do make a play for Karlsson … you’ll have the Swedish connection with Hank, Mika, Lias and Karlsson. The Boston Boys with Hayes, Vesey, Shatty, Kreider (and Quinn). And then the Russians with Buch and Kovalchuk (if they go after him).

            I’m probably thinking more into this than I should but that seems to be a nice core to build around with guys who have known each other for awhile, especially on the world stage.

            Also, if you follow any of the players on Instagram … Skej, Hayes and Vesey are really close with each other. Always hanging out together. And when Mika isn’t making music, he’s training with Lias. It’s nice to see as a fan, because I think with the subtraction of AV, this might be the next group that takes control of the locker room … and hopefully leads us to a lot of success.

            Can’t wait for this draft!!

            • Jun 13, 2018 at 7:42 pm

              Spot on Dan.

              Kovy to the Rangers is as much about getting him as a player as it is as a mentor for Buch. Make no mistake about that.

              And yes, Karlsson would love to play with Henrik and the other Swedes.

              So good point on all that you mentioned.

  • Jun 13, 2018 at 11:09 am

    We keep our #9 pick. Trade Namestikov or Spooner plus one of our lower 1st picks and a 2nd for the #5 pick. I think with a #5 and a #9, we set ourselves up for a better future. And we still draft later in the 1st.

    • Jun 13, 2018 at 2:14 pm

      In theory this is great. But Chayka isn’t Peter Chiarelli… No chance anyone takes Spooner/Vlad and 26 for 5 overall, especially a prudent GM like Chayka in AZ.

      You gotta think, last year the trade market in a considerably weaker draft (devaluing top 10 picks significantly), fetched Stepan and Raanta for 7 and an unknown. We’d be offering less than that, in Vlad/Spooner and 26 for 5 overall. Not happening, as much as I’d like it to.

      What do you think is maybe more realistic? Maybe Zucc/26 + B level prospect for 5?

      • Jun 13, 2018 at 3:44 pm

        You are probably right, but if Zucc is traded i see a bigger haul at the trading deadline.
        Maybe the 26th plus Vesey and either Vlad or Spooner for #5. AZ gets 2 young NHL starters and still gets a 1st. But is that a good deal for us?

        • Jun 13, 2018 at 6:12 pm

          I think Vesey/Vlad or Spooner + 26 would get us 5. That’s more reasonable. I think if that’s on the table we should take it. 5 and 9 would be incredible in this draft, you’d be getting two (as long as we don’t Hugh Jessiman it), damn good hockey players.

          I agree with Zucc + deadline. Generally speaking players are more valuable at the deadline, but in the case of Zucc, i think especially.

          • Jun 13, 2018 at 7:59 pm

            Any trade for the 5th pick starts with the Rangers’ 9th pick. Bank on that.

            • Jun 13, 2018 at 10:00 pm

              Might be true, but draft picks are never 100% certain. So we need 2 early. The Rangers could come out with #5 and #9 with AZ trade.
              Option 2: Deal with Oilers. Then we have a #9 and #10. With those 2 picks, we then could get either Dobson or Bouchard, plus either Farabee, Veleno or Kotkaniemi. I like that idea. We have guys to give in Vlad,Spooner, our 26th, next year picks or someone from Hartford – Nieves?

              • Jun 14, 2018 at 6:13 am

                I have no problem with the idea of getting another early round pick, but IMO the teams that the Rangers would trade with would want #9, so it defeats the purpose of trading.

                Unless you’re willing to give up Chytil, which I am not, then there is no match without the #9 picks. Spooner and Vlad are “fillers” in any trade and could not fetch a high draft pick. And Nieves stinks IMO. I never knew the love for this guy.

  • Jun 13, 2018 at 10:49 pm

    Man, this is why I kick myself for reading the comments section. We have folks comparing Hayes, Stepan and Andersson for some totally inexplicable reason…three players who couldn’t be more different in style who are at three very different stages in their careers.

    Let’s start with Hayes: He’s at a junction in his career. Guy with a lot of talent, but who remains to show he belongs in the top six or that he’ll ever be more than a 45-50 point player. Also a guy who, for an NHL center, certainly doesn’t play a great two-way game.

    Then Stepan: WYSIWYG Solid second-line center who can cycle the puck and shoot. Guaranteed to score 50-plus points. A good defensive player who can kill penalties, but couldn’t win a draw against a sled hockey player.

    And lastly, Andersson –who is 18. Guy who loves to buzz the net. Might not be top in talent, but has an eye for the game –hockey knowledge some call –that’s elite.

    One guy about to decide his future, one guy who’s already there and one who has a blank slate. You can safely call the ball on two. But if you’re calling it on Andersson? At this point? Well, you don’t know much about hockey.

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