Why (Almost) Any Trade Involving Pavel Buchnevich is a Bad Trade

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It’s the offseason, so of course that means mindless speculation and endless hypotheticals. I’m not hating on our national passtime by any means – I love conjecture and imagining things that totally won’t happen as thought exercises. One thing that came up on twitter recently however has me concerned, because while thought exercises and potential scenarios are important, we’ve also got to keep it in the realm of reality for any of it to be illuminating.

Without that grounding we either state the obvious over and over to the point where it lacks any utility, devolve into reactionary contrarianism, or begin to set an agenda that dominates the conversation once other people take it too seriously (this last bit implies that we here on the Rangers blogosphere are Thought Leaders, which of course we are). I’d like to address it head on: there are almost no good trade hypotheticals involving Pavel Buchnevich.

Before picking this one apart, let me just explain the backstory here. On twitter, friend of the blog Fitz posted two hypotheticals that sparked some low-key, casual discourse among likeminded folks concerning the young Russian winger and whether or not there were circumstances in which trading him might be better than retaining him. The two polls can be found below, and although their results won’t display because the voting hasn’t closed yet, I can say that as of my writing this (6:36pm on Saturday, June 2nd 2018) that the results of the first poll were 25% yes to 75% no, and the results of the second were 59% yes to 41% no. Fitz also clarified that for the first poll moving up would mean receiving a pick in the top 1-5 of the draft.

Now, I want to make sure two things are explicit here: first of all, I’m not putting Fitz on blast, since he’s a pretty good guy who puts out thought-provoking stuff in good faith. The second thing I want to clarify is that I’m not saying Fitz’s polls were the kind of useless reiteration, flamboyant iconoclasm, or harmful issue framing that I alluded to earlier. What I am trying to express here though is that these arguments are over before they start when couched in context by one basic fact and its direct implications.

As we all know, the Rangers are rebuilding, aggressively retooling, remodeling, whatever you want to call it – we’re in flux, and both fans and management are aware of this fact. Rebuilds entail a couple of things that neutralize these hypotheticals at the get-go, and that’s something I feel strongly about. You can feel free to disagree, as reasonable people always can do, and if I’m being honest I really do enjoy the kind of conversation that pops up around these kinds of things, although as I mentioned earlier they do run the risk of wandering so far from this existential plane that things can get a bit silly.

The first implication of rebuilding is something Rob has elaborated on in a full post on here before, and that’s the proposition that you need to bet on upside during a rebuild. His example was the Knicks and Kristaps Porzingis, who was a frustrating pick for many fans at the time he was taken by our MSG roommates but has since turned out to be a world-beating talent (or something very very close to it). Rob’s point was that the Knicks bet on his ceiling however, and that kind of swing-for-the-fences attitude is crucial if this rebuild is going to be successful. You might be thinking that given the kind of talent likely to be available in the top 5 of this draft then that I’m contradicting myself – shouldn’t we be swinging for the fences as far as young, elite talent goes?

Well, yes and no. The problem with packaging Buchnevich in a deal to move upward is that you’re giving up young talent that you should be betting on succeeding. Buch may not have actualized it quite yet, but he certainly has the skillset to be one of the best wingers in the National Hockey League, and the Rangers would certainly not be getting a top-5 pick for just him and the 9th. We’d inevitably be giving up more than just that, in effect gaining one potentially elite piece in exchange for two or more. That’s not betting on upside, that’s playing it safe and limiting your options, which totally defeats the purpose.

I say this all as someone who spent an hour-long car ride with my dad hyping up Quinn Hughes, Adam Boqvist, and Oliver Wahlstrom. I’m all for moving up in the draft, which runs contrary to a lot of conventional wisdom as is, but I think if we’re going to do that we need to find a way to do it without losing Buch. I really do think there’s a deal to be made there, which is perhaps naive of me, so let’s not instead mortgage the future for an individually slightly higher quality but net and net lower quality alternative future.

The other big implication of a rebuild is that you need to have your books in order. Salary cap management is a basic part of today’s game, and one of the things that enables you to have larger contracts is having younger players on smaller contracts to subsidize your cap space. Now, Buch’s ELC is running down, but his next deal could be highway robbery if the Rangers play it right and that’s exactly the kind of Nashville-esque contract we should be looking for.

Think about how easy McDonagh’s last contract made life for the Rangers, and how hard his next one would make things if we didn’t prudently trade him at the deadline (I was never a big McDonagh guy to be frank and welcome any and all hate that this comment opens me up to). This speaks less to the point about trading up in the draft and more to the hypothetical of trading Buch in a package for Karlsson – his next contract is sure to be a doozy, and while I’m not as afraid of his injury history as others, it’s still going to be a little bit bloated by the time that deal runs its course.

Buch, as mentioned earlier has high upside that we need to bank on, and while Karlsson is the best defenseman in the world until Rasmus Dahlin hits his prime, giving up potentially elite, economically efficient talent in return for definitely-more-elite-but-fiscally-crippling talent does not gel with the Rangers transitory phase. The Rangers need to do this thing right and trading for Karlsson (with the obvious intent to re-sign him) would be a quick fix that’s likely to end in disaster. Let’s not go down this road, Rangerstown.

So to recap we need to stockpile high-upside assets and go for both quality and quantity, which trading up at the draft with Buch would rule out, and which a Karlsson package would also definitely preclude, given the mountain of assets that would be required to get him in Rangers blue (it’s not going to be one-for-one, unfortunately). Much as I might want to trade up in this draft and get one of the Next Big Three (of course if you can move into the top 3 for Buch I’d do it, but again it would cost too much and there’s no way that happens regardless, so let’s keep things here on Earth, as I’ve mentioned before) if the right deal simply isn’t there it’s not worth giving up a potential star winger plus additional pieces for another maybe star. At that point you’re on a net loss of assets and that’s going to stymie, not accelerate, this rebuild.

What’s more is we need to stockpile high-upside assets in a way that’s going to maximize the amount of those assets we can eventually retain. It goes without saying, but you want as many good players on your team as possible, and that’s only possible with deft contract management. I’m confident that Jeff Gorton knows he needs a feasible long-term plan as far as the dollars and cents go in order to make this team the best it can be on ice, so I think he knows that trading Buchnevich would be mortgaging our future in more ways than one. This rules out a Karlsson trade almost entirely, with the benefits of having a young, upward-trending talent on a cost-effective contract certainly outweighing an elite, yet depreciating, asset who may fetch the largest ever free agent deal. It would be a little bit different if we were Tampa Bay and this were a short-term, win-now move, but we’re not, and it isn’t.

The obvious counter to all of this is that yes, hypothetically we could be talking about trading Buch for the first overall, or sending him to Ottawa in a sign-and-trade, one-for-one deal that gives us Karlsson on a team-friendly contract in the summer. But we’re not talking about that, and we know it. That’s precisely what I’m getting at – if we’re humoring these kinds of hypotheticals, the “what if we totally fleece another GM in the trade of the century” kind of scenarios, then we’re not really doing anything productive and maybe even doing something dumb and bad. When we do rein things in a bit we can see that the realistic Buch trades still aren’t realistic, being so constrained by outside factors that they too, are not actually realistic at all.

So there you have it folks, assets and asset management rule out both trading up with Buchnevich as the centerpiece and trading for Karlsson as part of a package. It simply doesn’t make sense when you contextualize things, leaving little wiggle room or uncertainty as far as humoring the possibility goes. I mean sure, the Rangers should definitely trade Buch for either Dahlin or Karlsson straight up, but those things aren’t useful hypotheticals, and the kinds of arguments that are useful shoot themselves in foot before the race even begins.

Much respect to Fitz, and I of course hate neither the player nor the game given that it’s all just yelling into the void about sports, but there you have it folks, my take on how there’s basically no trade involving Buchnevich that makes sense. Maybe I’m just being a downer, maybe we should all just speculate until we wind up making a much more disappointing trade and then lament the fact that we didn’t land Karlsson or the first overall, but if we are doing these hypotheticals, well, here’s my contribution. Sorry.

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60 thoughts on “Why (Almost) Any Trade Involving Pavel Buchnevich is a Bad Trade

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 9:17 am

    The premise here is that “buchnevich has the skillset to be one of the best wingers in the league”.

    That’s a notion that …. Im sure not every fan agrees with. Cant stay healthy, doesn’t shoot enough, disappears for stretches. (Granted that describes every nyr fwd which is why a cup is years away)

    If it means getting a zadina or svech …. Yea buch shouldnt stop that.

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 11:45 am

      All year here, in fact for several years, the mantra has been that AV is not utilizing his players appropriately, and because of his stubbornness, the young and older players alike are not reaching their full potential. So we got a coaching change, but you don’t feel any of the players (Buch) will be impacted positively by this. Interesting!

      Nice Job Pat! I agree with you, for what that is worth.

      • Jun 3, 2018 at 11:58 am

        if you think Quinn will magicly turn buchnevich into a 200 shot fwd….(essentially required of the top forwards) I think the bloggers are in for a big surprise.

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 6:22 pm

      strongly disagree with that….you talking as if these picks are sure things. Lets be honest there are no sure things with the draft. Buch might have downside but his potential is certainly there. And he has made it up to the NHL which quite a few others have only dreamed of. 1 of those being our new head coach! LOL

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 7:49 pm

      This summer in the gym should get him to an optimal weight.

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 9:54 am

    I would think that Buch is virtually untouchable.

    But it is also no secret that the Rangers are in the Karlsson and OEL sweepstakes. OEL turning down an 8 year, $8M per contract virtually makes him a lock to be traded either at the draft or this offseason. I would think that Ottawa is in full rebuild mode and would want high picks, prospects, and young NHL players in return.

    Does Hajek and/or Lindgren, the #9 pick, and one of the later first rounders or including Spooner and Namer get you OEL or Karlsson? I don’t know. But the Rangers do have the assets to get one of these 2 players. I would think that Karlsson is the more gettable player, with his desire to play with Lunqvist, and could “force” his way here.

    So, I would try everything else other than to include Buch in a trade. If Kovy is coming, I would think that would be an intangible that would be very beneficial to Buch. This is a big year for Buch. A year older, new coach, and clean slate. No excuses this time.

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 10:45 am

      Screw those thoughts…John Gorton does that and I’ll want his head along with yours to even mention that

      We don’t need these dudes, especially Karlsson….OEL will stay in AZ,

      Richter, we are rebuilding…instead trade Lundqvist

      • Jun 3, 2018 at 11:03 am

        Your writing actually made me cringe Richter

        • Jun 3, 2018 at 12:28 pm

          You need to get over this rebuild thing. This team is trying to compete as soon as possible. They aren’t going the Arizona/Buffalo route of being terrible for 5 years. That means adding free agents and through trades.

          Also Lundqvist isn’t going anywhere. He has a full NTC and when asked if he wanted to be traded he said no. He’s going to be here for a couple more seasons at least.

        • Jun 3, 2018 at 1:47 pm

          Leatherneck….i do not need this to sound rude but listening to people constantly bringing up the need to trade Hank makes me cringe.

          Not because i would not like to move that salary but because THE TEAM CANNOT do anything about it unless Hank agrees to be traded, which he has shown zero interest in doing.

          Building a counter argument to discuss rebuilding and the need to trade Hank makes you argument moot.

          • Jun 3, 2018 at 2:22 pm

            If he wants to win a Cup then he’ll waive it….he wants to stay play him in 20 games as the back up and he’ll then waive it. When there is a will there is a way. He is no longer a part of the core of the team and that goes for Zucc and Staal.

            Lundqvist is actually hurting the team with all this foolish notion that we’ll be competing for the Cup next year or in two years.

            And then we want to add Karlsson to the mix??? Screw that nonsense.

            He’ll waive

            • Jun 3, 2018 at 3:12 pm

              LOL wow. Just wow. Yeah, NYR are going to bench Henrik Lundqvist in order to force him into waiving his no trade clause…. lmao.

            • Jun 3, 2018 at 3:14 pm

              They would never disrespect a player like that whose given so much to the organization. Your living in a dream world if you think this team is going full rebuild.

              • Jun 3, 2018 at 4:45 pm

                I didn’t say they would, did I

              • Jun 3, 2018 at 5:57 pm

                They don’t go full rebuild then the ghosts of winter past will haunt them. Only true way to win a Cup is via the build route

                These Rangers of ours have time after time depleted the younguns and only 1 Cup to show for it.
                They historically didn’t draft well either

                Time for a change, develop a team with a developmental team, great scouts, a system within the entire organization a DEPTH which we never have. Sign a and I mean A ufa when the time is right. Now is not the time.

                By his presence I am beginning to loathe Lundqvist. Yeah thanks for what you did, now go win the Cup somewhere because it’s not going to happen in your window with the Rangers and yeah take your fans with you.

                Just this idiotic concept that we can build a team in 3 years during his time here while we couldn’t do it in the 13 years he was there is just baffling. Why the F as a hockey player would he rather stay here in NY vs going to a team to win a Cup. He has better odds of winning it with the Islanders than he does with us.

                To appease him is a huge sabotage and a total disregard to the actual fans of the New York Rangers.

                I feel the same way with Zucc who is my favorite Ranger, time for him to go as well. I am first a Ranger fan before I am a Zucc fan. You Leaky lovers need to think for the team not the player.

              • Jun 3, 2018 at 6:25 pm

                I would never say never in this situation cause look what happened to Eli manning…2 super bowls and years of history and he got benched with a record on the line.

        • Jun 3, 2018 at 3:33 pm

          Once again bro, there is zero evidence that the Rangers are going with a total rebuild.

          Both Quinn and Gorton have said repeatedly that Henrik is at the center of their plans going forward. Read Rotter’s SNY blog that shows all the quotes that I am talking about.

          You can all scream and yell at my posts, but these are the types of players the Rangers will be going after, to supplement the young players that will play next year for the team.

          Lundqvist will be here until he collapses. Get used to the idea.

          • Jun 3, 2018 at 4:39 pm

            Its like he hasn’t listened to anything Gorton has said the past couple of months in terms of his plan for the team. He said that he didn’t want a team full of 18 year olds. That’s why he went out and go Spooner and Namesnitkov. The type of players to mix with the younger ones. They were never going to go the Arizona/Buffalo route.

            • Jun 4, 2018 at 7:34 am

              It’s denial.

              Right, he got assets to trade, not to keep.

          • Jun 3, 2018 at 6:30 pm

            I agree 100% but I just hate the idea of going after Karlsson or OEL. Defenders never win cups. For every ray borque there are 5 mario lemeuix’s …And nashville went hard with the team theory of having all the talent on the backend and yeah they compete but cant make it happen. You can blame Rinne all you want but guys don’t last that long in this league if they suck.

            • Jun 4, 2018 at 7:38 am

              You may not like where they probably may go, but that doesn’t mean that they will not try and make it happen.

              They want Karlsson here, there’s no doubt about it. They still have to make it happen with Ottawa.

      • Jun 3, 2018 at 4:55 pm


    • Jun 3, 2018 at 12:20 pm

      Larsson is awesome, as is Karlsson, but I’d rather give Tavares the $$$ and keep my assets. Especially if OEL commands 8/9 mil per. Give JT a 7/77 contract. Just a rare positional talent, in his prime.

      • Jun 3, 2018 at 12:38 pm

        There’s a lot of information coming out from unknown sources on Instagram and Twitter that the Isle have JT and Kovy as locks to play for them. I’m hoping those two are somewhat keeping in touch with each other and believe in JG short term plan with the NYR.

      • Jun 3, 2018 at 3:35 pm

        Tavares is afraid to sign here because of the backlash, and now it appears more likely that he re-signs with the Isles.

        The Rangers will hard for Karlsson. Whether they get him is another question.

      • Jun 3, 2018 at 6:36 pm

        So couldn’t agree more. Screw defenders and get solid depth and talent at center and get as much as you can. We are filled at D. Lets get some raw talent

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 12:33 pm

      OEL is just mean dude and he always looks off, I want him. The last time I saw news about him he said he wanted to remain a Yote. There’s so many intangibles that he could bring to this team that could go a long way for both sides.

      I don’t buy the whole Kovy is becoming a NYR to be a Zen master to Buch. As it stands I think he could be traded during the draft like most of anyone else. I wouldn’t compared a strategic move like the hire of Quinn that siggnals Hayes is going to be long term part of the future along with Shatty to a Kovy signing because him and Buch are Russian’ s. Buch meanwhile was the only one to trash AV publicly through the media and ever since then the gamble on himself to break out has been ticking. I don’t think that didn’t do him any favors with the future if he still can’t get it together while properly being deployed under a new coach. Kovy meanwhile wants to get paid and have a good chance to compete, I doubt he’s thinking about taking some guy under his wing. It’s just my opinion of course but soon enough we’ll see if he even signs with the NYR because it sounds like he’s definitely keeping his options open.

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 2:07 pm


      My friend I have to disagree big time with these proposed trades. First of all Karlsson can’t play a lick of defense, and is redundant to Shatty. Also last season he stunk up the place, and you want to trade players, and picks for him, hell no my friend! As for OEL, he isn’t worth it either, too expensive, and also is weak on defense. Just my opinion!!!!!!!

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 4:34 pm

      Why would you make any of the above trades? Makes no sense. The Rangers need players young talented skilled players and a lot of them. Not one guy who would blow a hole in the cap down the road with a soon to be bad contract. This has won just one cup in 75 plus years. Trades like what you’re purposing is why..

      • Jun 4, 2018 at 7:41 am

        To all, they want some stars on the team to go along with the young players.

        And 2nd, I AM NOT proposing these trades, this is what I am hearing from my guys.

        i AM JUST THE MESSENGER. If you all would rather not hear it, then let me know and I will not say anything anymore.

        • Jun 4, 2018 at 8:51 am

          I wouldn’t pay to much attention to the people attacking you. I for one like to hear the information you have.

          • Jun 6, 2018 at 7:06 am

            I wold be more than happy to answer any questions that you have my friend, based on what I know and hear.

            I find it funny that people hear are so resistant to what I am saying, because the owner of the team has stated repeatedly that they would acquire stars, or at least one or two.

            The refusal to face factual information readily available is disappointing, to say the least.

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 9:55 am

    Agree with “my take on how there’s basically no trade involving Buchnevich that makes sense”, because Buch is the quintessential player the Rangers need.

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 11:11 am

      Very debateable about how he is the quintessential player the Rangers need. Agreed he has both talent and a clean slate, but unless and until he plays a two way game he is NOT what the team needs. Just watch EVERY foward in the SC Finals and see if he has the motivation to do that!

      • Jun 3, 2018 at 11:21 am

        He is definitely not a volume shooter . not a dangler…. What is he then ? Another perimeter fwd ?

      • Jun 3, 2018 at 11:24 am

        Those players are playing in the SC finals, almost every player is motivated to perform beyond their normal capabilities — there’s no comparison between regular season play and SC finals.

        Re: Buch’s two way play, as long as he isn’t a detriment defensively (and I don’t think he is) then he is what this team needs — a dynamic offensive player. He doesn’t need to be a quintessential “two way player”, we have those, He’s more Chytil than he is Andersson.

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 10:22 am

    I disagree with a premise that Buch + 9th ‘certainly’ doesn’t get you a top 5 pick.
    In fact, Rangers wouldn’t do this deal unless the pick is 3 or 4 and you’re getting Svechnikov or Zadina. If those guys (and Dahlin) are gone 1-2-3, I bet either Ottawa or Arizona would jump on Buch and 9th.

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 11:19 am

    The only trades where I could imagine trading Buch are trades the other team would never make. It has to be for a generational or near generational talent under the age of say 24-25. I have no interest in getting Karlsson or OEL at this point. You’ll overpay to get them and then you’ll compound the problem by overpaying to keep them.

    At this point you have to give Quinn 1 year (or at least until the next trade deadline) to see what he can make of the more promising younger players on this team. I would consider moving guys like Namestikov, Spooner or MZA … I would try moving Staal and/or Brendan Smith — all depending of course in what I can get in return — and preferably at the next deadline where I think their value will be maximized (aside from maybe Namestikov and/or Spooner whose value might have been enhanced by their play this year).

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 4:47 pm

      Thank you. It amazes me how Ranger fan seem to always fall into the trade for someone’s else soon to be problem. The one star theory. Hockey like Baseball and Football is a team game that takes lots of players doing their job to win. You could put Bobby FCKN Orr on this team and it doesn’t win.

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 6:51 pm

      Giving Quinn 1 year to figure out what he has on the roster makes a lot of sense.

      And here’s another thing – next year’s free agent class is WAAAAY better than this year.

      All seems to add up to keeping Buch, using the draft picks and just wait a year. You could call it rebuild or reload or whatever you like, but it’s still not the Arizona/Buffalo/Edmonton years in the wilderness route that people fear when they hear the word “rebuild”.

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 11:38 am

    ill add this: I would move andersson before buchnevich if that’s what a deal would take. I just don’t see more than a third line upside in #50.

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 12:53 pm

      I been saying that since day 1 ever since I seen him skate as NYR in the pre games. As it stands now Howden and even Lettieri are competition for him and if he can’t hack it as a center than that list would grow larger. He’ll have no place on the PP’s and he won’t ever take on a top PK role with Hayes being around. I hope he has a open mind to play in Hartford just in case, maybe him and Howden can bring some winning culture down there. Vesey getting resigned would almost put him down there if NHL center isn’t his thing. He’s a Swiss army knife but I’ve never read that he has 2c potential besides from NYR fans. I did see that he could be like a Chris Krunitz type if he switched over to wing.

      • Jun 3, 2018 at 4:56 pm

        Vinny is a AHL player at best. Lias is a player a NHL skilled player who will bring it. He’s tough to play against . I feel a lot of these young guys will develope with AV gone.

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 6:47 pm

      Talking about this is stupid but I would do the same exact thing. He has not impressed me one bit since he has been here. Nothing shines about him other then his desire to compete and for that I love him but skill set wise he has never really shown anything. Buch on the other hand has shown flashes of great eyes and touch just has absolutely no compete in him for long stretches of time. That could be the coach the line mates the system the transition to america boat loads of issues. Well documented russians have a much harder time here in america then swedes.

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 11:41 am

    Perhaps I missed it but has Buch scores 20 goals yet? I know AV screwed up his development but if I can get Dahlin or Svechnikov and the price is Buch, I wouldn’t even give it a second thought. Heck I would probably even trade him to move up for Zadina too.

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 11:58 am

      You should really re-read the post. Pat clearly stated the exact same thing!

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 12:58 pm

      That KBZ line has been in tact all year on the PP with Zucc! I feel like Skjei would have to be apart of this imaginary trade to get Buffalo’ s 1st but if they fell for that than sign me up.

      If JT would become a Ranger than Buch should be on the 2nd line.

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 12:24 pm

    Let’s just cut to the chase here. Buch ain’t going anywhere

    1) Ranger’s acknowledged that Vigneault-itis has held back the team and his overall disconnect with the young guys, particularly Buchnevich, was particularly problematic.

    2) Ranger’s hired Quinn – Vigneault-itis eradicated

    I have trouble finding a scenario where Buch, arguably now the team’s most dynamic player, would not get a shot to bust out with Quinn’s Kid’s (remember I said it first).

    There is a going to be a lot of new, young talent and Buch (just turned 23) is really in a spot to become a leader of this group. I just can’t see how or why Buch would go in a deal.

    I also believe that Namestnikov (26 in Nov), if he himself isn’t traded himself, will benefit greatly with team refurbish, the infusion of youth, and the Quinn hiring.

    Hopefully he is over the shock of the Lightning to Ranger first to last journey.

    The Vladman has major talent and a fresh start with a new group that is much more to his game style should be a real plus and and a potential opportunity for leadership for him as well.

    Bottom line for me…

    I would test out the Kovalchuk, Namestnikov, Buchnevich theory before I traded either of them.

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 1:15 pm

      JG wants to bring back the pride in the NYR. If you go by his end of the year comments on how things ended than I believe he sent a couple of indirect shots at Vladdy. I do see him as a top 6 winger on this team and that’s especially without the Kovy signing. The only game he looked liked he cared about was when he had Hayes as a center. All of a sudden his game made sense to me, puck retrieval, puck handling and going to the net with a purpose along with his shot selection. If I remember correctly at the end of every shift he kept shaking his head in displeasure which showed thay he was mentally involved and was communicating with his line on the bench. He’s the Russian version of Mitch Marner imo, they have identical games. Hayes and him could really take off due to him being a shifty and a sweet setup man like a poor mans version of Johnny hockey. There’s no doubt about how the 2nd line and PP2 could use his game. I just think he’ll be used as a trade chip come draft day.

      • Jun 3, 2018 at 2:05 pm

        If he is used as a trade chip, I think unfortunately, the Rangers will be selling low on this talented winger/center.

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 5:00 pm

      Thank you Nam is skilled very skilled. He’s a Ranger why are so many really to trade young skilled talent for high priced worn big names. No one is giving 1-2-or 3 and the price would gut the team. Makes no sense.

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    With a coach coming in who’s geared towards developing young talent it would make sense to wait a year and see how things work out before even entertaining a trade. AV probably set Buch back but he’s young enough to recover.

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 6:55 pm

    You have to give everyone a season to prove who they are …new coach new system time will tell you what you should do with players. As far as the topic at hand I would not trade Buch for a higher spot for the reason I just stated. Give him a year then make decisions. Not exactly like anyone’s trade value went up this past year. I would trade for anyone’s number 1 center over Karlsson or OEL any day at any time of the year. Stop with these stupid rumors to trade for these guys cause I hate the idea it makes me so angry that we are all still trying to find the next brian leetch. Brian was a freak of his generation just that simple. And OEL is a negative 150 plus minus for his career he is garbage. He has no heart and no compete at all.

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 7:36 pm

    “And OEL is a negative 150 plus minus for his career he is garbage. He has no heart and no compete at all”.

    Neither does Karlsson for that matter, and neither can defend, so why waste our time, and valuable resources, they suck. Karlsson is hurt, just check his play from last season!!!!!!!

    They should never make either trade, but we as Ranger fans suffer from the “Marquee Name Syndrome” , we need a stars name to be front, and center. Well if it has to be, any other name, other than these two!!!!!!!

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 9:46 pm

    ” Why (Almost) Any Trade Involving Pavel Buchnevich is a Bad Trade ”
    I would love to trade him for either Cosby or Malkin from the Pens; Barzal of the Islanders; Kuznetsov from the Caps…the list goes on and on…
    To say a soft, often injured 40 points guy in NHL is untouchable, is laughable.

    • Jun 3, 2018 at 10:16 pm

      exactly. how many perimeter 50 pt forwards can you collect.

  • Jun 3, 2018 at 11:57 pm

    No one really knows what Buch is. we do know he looks good in spurts. (Chytil looks better in the small sample) Also we know he is another pass first guy so unless that changes he is limited. If we could get into the top 3 there is no question you do it for 4 or 5 I’d think I roll the dice and keep him. I don’t want Karlson or OEL in any case. Wait for the right Free agent to come along likely next summer. I’m expecting a step back this year and another lottery pick next June. I’d also would like to see Hank limited to 40 games, let’s see the kid play 40 games next year so we know what we have in advance of the Russian netminder coming the following year. Less than 3 weeks to the Draft!

    • Jun 4, 2018 at 12:16 am

      agree on all points. I mean wahlstrom has committed to BC already. that’s at least a 2-3 year stay. id be wary of trading him for that. Other assets maybe.

  • Jun 4, 2018 at 5:01 pm

    Hi all,

    John Tavares should not be a Ranger, he will set us back money wise, and most likely ending up buying him out. Karlsson also age wise will warrant a huge contract and hurt the team.

    If Quinn is really committed to develop youth then get young players. There must be a player or two NYR can sign that is available or trade for. Teams like Winnipeg, Nashville, etc will look to make some moves as well as other teams we can play it smart. Trade for a player that helps the team , not hurts it. Also, look at the strong points of the team and then look at the weaknesses. Fix piece by piece over 2-3 years.

    Sad to say this, look at the Mets baseball team. They signed Bruce, got them no where in the standings, plus they went and got useless castoffs. I know its comparing two different sports, same idea. One big shot will not win is the cup, its player A, B, C, D that will help this team compete. Sadly, if Lundqvist does win a cup then focus on signing an elite goalie that can take the rains from Lundqvist.

    Next year’s UFA class is an elite group. NYR can focus on getting youth, NYR should be all in on Trouba. Trouba is only 24, R/H shot big def coming off west finals. Imagine NYR team with Trouba on def, then next summer sign Seguin, and try to sign or trade for a center. Just some ideas, Quinn will stay his course on young players. Forget about 30yr players, sign them now while they are still young build this team.

  • Jun 4, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    *If Lundqvist doesn’t win a cup.

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