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News and notes: Rangers sign Gettinger to ELC; Buchnevich to sit

Gettinger (Photo: Adam Bell, OHL)

A little late on this stuff, but better late than never. The Rangers signed 2016 5th rounder Tim Gettinger to an entry level contract yesterday. Gettinger has a line of 30-22-52 in 60 games this year. That is close to double his goal total from last year (17-22-39).

Also with Jesper Fast returning from injury, Pavel Buchnevich will be the healthy scratch. Tanner Glass will remain in the lineup at the expense of a promising kid’s development.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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  1. Interesting you post this today, Brooks wrote something about Buch this morning, good read, and I agree!!!!!!!!!

  2. Buch has 4 points in his last 20 games. He gets bodied off the puck very easily, and seems gassed all the time. He also missed a tremendous amount of time this year with a bad back. I’m thinking his work rate in practice and training leaves a lot to be desired. I’m wildly speculating. I would love him to come good. But, he might not be ready yet.

    1. I agree totally. Buch has no idea yet of how to play Nhl hockey. He has a European rink game and looked good early season with no resistance. Now teams tighten and he has no room. Must add muscle and learn. Not ready at 21. Give him time.

  3. oy vey on Buchnevich….good news is Glass’s contract expires at the end of the season…maybe AV can push for a contract extension? Then we can protect him at the expansion draft too…what is AV thinking here…

    1. YOU RIP GLASS…EVERY SHIFT, EVERY TIME HE IS ON THE ICE HE BUSTS HIS ASS OUT THERE. PERHAPS THE REST OF THE SOFTSHIRTS SHOULD DO THAT.

        1. I heard the NHL panel on TV talking the other and the ex-players saying how winning and giving your all is not nearly as important for some as the pay check … long season, family and kids, many distractions. So when someone comes in with experience who does what TG does and shows them up with hustle and grit it can get the slackers to to refocus. Those were the words of explayers with rings talking on TV. I paraphrased but the just is there. So yes, rag on those who go through the motions, not those who work hard for the salary. Jerry you are my new hero on the BSB by the way.

          1. I heard the NHL panel on TV talking the other day and the ex-players saying how winning and giving your all is not nearly as important for some as the pay check … long season, family and kids, many distractions. So when someone comes in with experience who does what TG does and shows them up with hustle and grit it can get the slackers to to refocus. Those were the words of explayers with rings talking on TV. I paraphrased but the jist is there. So yes, rag on those who go through the motions, not those who work hard for the salary. Jerry you are my new hero on the BSB by the way.

            1. Jerry for president. Lol. It seriously I agree with him and that’s a good piece of info you just brought up. Besides our own players said that Glass gave them a boost and got them pumped up. That’s not some rumor either. That’s something I seen JT and Staal say myself

    2. Maybe he’s thinking that since Glasss has beeen here the team has woken up. Maybe it’s cause he plays much harder then anyone out there. You guys with all,your sarcastic jokes about our coach almost always back it up with nonsense. What is AV thinking. What are you watching is a better question

  4. Buch sitting was entirely predictable, so nothing earthshaking there. AVs lineup machinations have become so tedious to me that I just shrug now & say “whatever.”

    1. Kind of like some of us were doing when Torts benched Kreider in 2013…and that was AFTER Kreider was arguably THE reason why the team avoided an unsightly first round exit in 2012. Talk about bizarre “machinations”. 🙂

      Every coach in every sport makes lineup decisions we don’t get….largely because we don’t have nearly enough information to have any idea what the true reasons are. The rationale is sometimes revealed later, as was the case with Miller, Hayes and Lindberg. I’ll bet after the season or next training camp, we will learn that Buch wasn’t fully healthy or ready for the NHL game quite yet.

    2. I concur. I don’t get nearly as outraged with the line tinkering as I did last season…I’ve become wiser enough to know that I would just be spinning my wheels again, haha.

      The rationale for benching Miller and Hayes was clear from the start as far as I can recall, and I disagreed with the approach then. I do agree however that some were mad about Lindberg similarly, and obviously AV was exonerated when Lindberg went under the knife for a pretty significant hip procedure. While I don’t always appreciate NHL coaches being coy about injuries – I’m sure they knew months in advance that Lindberg was looking at year end surgery even if he could tough it out for some starts here and there – I understand why they keep things locked up in that area. So that, I will agree, was one instance where the public was lacking the info.

      That Miller was being benched for an attitude issue and that Hayes was being benched for being lazy (which was not at all true as illustrated by advanced metrics, but whatever) seemed clear to me from the get-go, though.

  5. OMG! Buchnevich is sitting?! Can’t AV see how this kid is the key to our immediate hopes? Never mind the 3-2-5 line in his last 20 games. Never mind that fact that the kid looks lost at times out there. Never mind that he’s coming off a back injury that robbed him of valuable development time, and that he really hasn’t returned to the form he flashed prior to the injury. Never mind any of that, because as we know…..AV HATES THE KIDS…..and THE KIDS MUST PLAY! Imagine how badly Buch will be set back by not playing these games down the stretch. This may ruin him as a player! 🙂

    That being said, I don’t disagree with Brooks’ point that it would be good to see IF Buchnevich can be made playoff-ready. If it were me, I would play him as much as possible down the stretch….IF I felt that he was physically ready to do so and has developed his NHL instincts enough to truly be a factor come playoff time. All BIG ifs.

    If he’s not ready, or unable for whatever reason to play at his best, then playing him now is a waste of time. This is not the Traverse City Tournament we’re preparing for last I checked.

    As I’ve said before, this was always going to be a transitional year for both Vesey and Buch. They have shown flashes but neither really look ready to make meaningful contributions at the moment.

    There is also this…..hard for the haters to admit…but Glass has played well since his recall. It’s more than reasonable to let this experiment play out.

    One last point…..while I agree with some elements of Brooksie’s article, I find it a bit disingenuous that he would rip the idea of Buch sitting in favor of Glass, when he was the leading advocate in the mainstream media for bringing up and playing Glass in the first place. If you are going to do a 180 on this, at least explain WHO should sit out to make room for Buch, and why?

    Brooks is an excellent columnist who I respect. This wasn’t one of his better efforts.

    1. AV hates kids. Also, Buch will leave the team if he doesn’t play.

      actually, the second part may not be sarcasm.

      1. I seriously doubt that will happen. I’m sure that all this is being discussed between the coach, the front office, the player and his representative. More than likely, he isn’t 100% and probably understands this is all part of the process of learning to be an NHLer.

        1. always wary of kids who make playing time demands before they’ve played a minute in the nhl.

      1. Yup. To me, this is Brooks going completely off his usual script, and a refreshing change from his usual blind pushing of “the company line”. The point isn’t even if Tanner Glass has been playing well, or has any value. The point is entirely that if you’re gonna get Buch quality NHL reps – to, you know, help a young player play through his issues – imagine that! – now is the time, as it seems the WC1 spot is more or less a lock. Repetition against NHL level talent builds NHL level skill. Watching from the press box or playing lesser AHL competition is less effective at doing so.

        1. Why is the priority to get Buch or Vesey ready for the playoffs? Is this a development league and we are getting them ready for Traverse City? The priority is to get the TEAM ready for the Stanley Cup playoffs. Getting Buch reps is about 12th on AV’s top ten list of things to do.

          And that’s especially true if Buch is not 100%. This may be all he has to give right now. No one knows the answer.

          Let’s deal with reality. Buch hasn’t been good since he came back from the injury. Is it physical? Mental? AV said there are some things he needs to work on and maybe practice, plus observing the “right way to play”, will make the light go on and we may yet see him again.

          As I said, if Brooks wants to advocate for Buch that’s his right. But he needs to be consistent when just a few weeks ago, he was critical of the Rangers for burying Glass in the minors. Can’t have it both ways.

          And as an aside, last year he (and Pat Leonard) criticized the Rangers for not playing McIlrath more…..the same McIlrath who this year has had, shall I say, a very unexpected journey as a pro player. Sometimes writers are just flat wrong on this stuff. They are good writers but not necessarily good talent evaluators….just like a few people out here on BSB! 🙂

          1. It’s not about getting Buch (or Vesey) ready for the playoffs, at least not the issue I have with it – it’s just about getting Buch reps when the team is in a position in the standings where wins and losses aren’t crucial at the moment. If he’s being inconsistent as AV alleges, well, reps blossom into improved consistency most of the time in developing young players. Watching from the press box…not so much.

            To me, AVs comments are not appropriate for a player struggling with injury. You don’t go out there and speak specifically about a player being inconsistent to cover for in injury. I suspect Buch is probably fine more or less physically at this point. He’s struggled IMO because he is a top six skill set being put mostly on the fourth line lately. This is the same effect but in reverse as running Glass on the first line (not that AV does that, just an example) – he doesn’t belong there according to his skill set. Buch doesn’t belong on the fourth line, either, so it makes complete sense to me that he isn’t exactly shining when being put in that position. Buch has been in the KHL for years and was quite successful there last season as a 20 year old. He knows how to play professional hockey the right way.

            You don’t need any stats to tell you that AV is in love with Tanner Glass. Brooksie simply called them out for this. The team knows full well how to play with Glass, because Glass is a rogue. He’s out there doing his thing – hitting, chirping, agitating, hopefully causing some turnovers, hopefully causing chaos in the crease. He’s not there to join rushes, be a facilitator, be a part of those pretty tic-tac-toe goals, etc. Line chemistry just really is not at all important for his role. The team arguably won’t benefit from more reps with Tanner Glass right now. What’s for certain aside from that however is that Buch likely would continue to benefit from more NHL reps.

  6. Oscar Lindberg on Glass–

    “All teams respect him. (He creates) more time for the skill players to do things out there.”

    Ryan McDonagh on Fast–

    “Guys literally love the way he battles and competes.”

    And let’s not forget the players awarded Fast the Players’ Player Award.

    I think both players have far more perceived value amongst their peers then they do out here in the blogosphere where we have limited information by which to evaluate. Both are max effort guys and that has a lot to do with why AV trusts them both.

    And for whatever it’s worth, AV says Buch will play again soon and they still have faith in his skill.

    1. This has been covered before ad-nauseum. The players do genuinely seem to enjoy Glass as a person, and speak highly of him when asked about him. And even if everyone isn’t a huge fan, they’re not gonna trash their teammate. I’m sure the locker room is a more enjoyable atmosphere with him in it, no doubt.

      Does this help win games? I dunno – we went 3-2 against pretty mediocre competition since his call-up. Better than 2-3,1-4, or 0-5, sure. But these were not really “WOW” type dominant victories, and the two losses had some painful stretches to watch.

      If folks in the blogosphere are looking at advanced stats out here, that tells me they’re actually looking at MORE information than the coach. It’s very clear that he has not subscribed to advance stats to a high degree, as evidenced by his decisions.

      1. No one is suggesting they would trash Glass, Fast or whomever. But they wouldn’t be as effusive in their praise if they didn’t believe what they were saying. You can tell when it’s a forced or less than enthusiastic response. Also, we have no idea what the players think of Buch. Good kid? Hard worker? Ready? Not ready? Who knows? Last year there were rumblings that players thought Hayes wasn’t engaged. Maybe true, maybe not. But we DID learn that last year he was out of shape. Maybe the players resented that and were more than OK with him being benched.

        And if there were grumblings about Glass (as some suggested last year that Glass’s very presence demoralized the team), then it would be pretty easy for Brooks and others to get some off the record comments on that.

        Paragraph two…fair point. But the Rangers have been a .500 team for a while now, largely due to injuries and a lineup-wide scoring slumps. The point is, Glass isn’t hurting them. Sometimes a lineup needs a shakeup.

        If you HONESTLY believe that the blogosphere looks at advanced stats more than the coach or the rest of the front office, I don’t even know what to tell you. An NHL coach in this day and age looks at everything. The problem with advanced stats in the hands of amateurs (aka….us!) goes to the old adage of we know just enough to be dangerous.

        Hockey advanced stats are still an emerging area. There are many ways to look at a player. For example, on McIlrath, last year, everyone went nuts out here because supposedly AV was ignoring his Corsi or whatever. Then this year the Florida blogosphere took a closer and concluded that his stats were misleading, because of the way he was deployed and not used for many DZ faceoffs. And then we discovered the whole league knows a heck of a lot more than any of us do about player evaluation when McIlrath is waived twice and goes unclaimed. We go nuts over Clendening because of his fancy stat numbers, which I suspect are also deceiving. He’s a journeyman player who likely would not be claimed if he were waived, and has a pretty good chance of playing in Europe next year than being in the NHL. And on and on it goes…

        Those are just an example. The point is this isn’t baseball, where stats are pretty much gospel. Hockey is a fascinating sport because there are intangibles to winning and losing that go beyond stats. Our game is the ultimate chemistry expermiment–who works well with whom, who has a chemistry with whom. What players bring a certain energy, especially on the 4th line that’s hard to quantify. Therefore that contribution isn’t really tangible. It’s coaching to some extent by gut.

        From a statistical standpoint, in 1994, Gartner was better than Anderson, and Amonte was (and would certainly turn out to be) better than Matteau and Noonan. Keenan was a mad genius for sure, but his gut was right. Those moves helped to solidify the Cup..stats be damned.

        And even in baseball, I remember the words of Joe Torre when he and Brian Cashman were disagreeing on some player moves near the end of Torre’s time in NY….”don’t ever forget that this game has a heartbeat to it”. If that’s true in baseball, then it’s probably ten times truer in hockey–the ultimate heartbeat sport.

        Jeff Gorton was supposed to represent a changing of the guard…a young GM clued in to the supposed advanced stats better than his predecessor. He is making the team younger, and chose not to go all in this trade deadline–clearly sending a message that this team is being rebuilt on the fly for future success. If he is trying to make the team younger and playing for the future, than clearly he would want a coach that is good with developing young players and most definitely understands all the tools available to measure the said youth. He concluded that AV is that guy and gave him a pay increase and extension when he certainly did not have to do that at this time. If AV was not open to advanced stats or wasn’t good with young players, what GM in his right mind would reward him with an extension and pay raise?

        So unless you now believe that Gorton is an idiot or a misinformed GM, then there’s no doubt that he and I suspect the rest of the NHL community as a whole sees AV very differently than the blogosphere does.

        1. I very, very, completely and without a doubt believe many fans and bloggers look more at advanced stats – or at least respect them more, if that’s the more accurate way to put it – than AV. It’s pretty obvious. He will break up a pairing like Skjei-Clendo that were shown to be extremely effective in terms of advanced stats, and that’s but one of absolutely myriad of examples of things AV does or has done that spit in the face of what advanced metrics show. Also, that’s a pairing, which I am using specifically as it eliminates the “one-player anomaly” claim that some seem to like to use as an argument against advanced stats.

          As for the examples of so-and-so has been on such-and-such teams or waived this many times, etc., you’ll have to forgive me, but I do completely dismiss that kind of circular logic. A lot of players who ended up being quality NHL contributors were waived and picked up by others, or traded for beans as prospects. Not superstars – quality NHL contributors. There have been quality players waived simply because of positional log jams. Teams have waived players probably honestly hoping they’d squeak through, and unfortunately for that team, they got claimed. You’d be accurate if you said superstars don’t usually have a history of being waived in the NHL, but it just really means absolutely nothing as far as I’m concerned in speaking about mid-tier type players.

          Want an example? Devan Dubnyk. The same one who has been a top-3 goalie in the league this year. He of the 2.11 GAA and .930 save pct. Some guys – especially defenders and goalies – take some time to get there, and get traded and waived and traded and waived until they do.

          I don’t believe Gorton is an idiot or misinformed GM. I believe he has a very stubborn coach who wants what he wants, and at times, Gorton is a team player (or perhaps a pushover or perhaps doesn’t like conflict in their ranks, however you want to put it) and gives his coach’s idea a shot. Other times – as illustrated by his offseason moves some of which seem like certainly wouldn’t be AV’s idea – he does seemingly make a call on his own. It’s been mentioned before that Gorton should “set AV straight”…I’d love that, but the reality is, that’s not how things are done, and I understand that. They are probably making decisions as a front office unit, which means they won’t always be on the same page and sometimes compromises will be need to be made – by all parties involved.

        2. To add on to my last bit there, take you and me for example Eddie, haha. We seem to generally lean the other way on a lot of things here. But if we worked together in a front office, we would probably respectfully disagree – such as we generally do here – but ultimately a decision still has to be made, and if we wanted to keep things drama-free, we’d probably compromise.

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