Father’s Day Musings


Happy Father’s Day, BSB nation! Before we dive into Rangers chat, I’d like to thank my dad for being a great role model and for being so supportive. Without him, I wouldn’t have a borderline corny-dad sense of humor. I would also like to wish all the dads who read us a happy Father’s Day and thanks for checking in here on your day.

Since it’s summer and, as an tax accountant, I use 110% of my brainpower from January-April, today will be a pre-draft musings. We went over this in last week’s podcast, but focused on who we think will be traded. How about focusing on not trading?

  • Derek Stepan is the hot trade chip, apparently, but why should the Rangers explore this? While hearing options is never a terrible a terrible idea, a Stepan-less team doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
  • We know the reasons why he is valuable, but what would you really want in return? It would have to be a sexy package, with some salary loss, and we’re talking about a 26 year old center who’s just reaching his peak.
  • Assuming the Rangers decide to trade an offensive piece (why, why, WHY), we’ve discussed the benefits of trading Derick Brassard over Stepan. There has also been chatter of adding Kevin Hayes to a deal, but really, who would want a lazy forward? (/sarcasm)
  • Really, I could write a thousand words on why people are so yuck towards Hayes and why that’s so absurd, but whatever. If we’re trading a forward, okay, sure, but Hayes should not be an add on. He’s 24 years old, he’s Rangers controlled, he’s cheap, and he’s only declined 9 points in his sophomore year, all while having his coach blatantly not believe in him.
  • The “trade Hayes” crowd probably also didn’t think that there was anything wrong with not showcasing Emerson Etem, and, instead, effectively trading Carl Hagelin for a bag of pucks. Also, they probably want Steven Stamkos to be the Rangers’ #1 priority.
  • On Stamkos: he is not what this team needs. Haven’t we learned at all as a fanbase that the shiny new toy is never necessarily what is needed? Granted, his mentor Martin St. Louis, was phenomenal for the 2014 Rangers, but that was a different scenario. Stamkos is incredible and will make a team better, but it will not address the core issues the Rangers have.
  • Speaking of which, if the Rangers cannot clear some defensive space, they can do nada and it would still be a total waste of an offseason. I’m not suggesting we trade any specific defenseman (relax, uptight apologists, today is a day of rest), but that core, as great as they have been for the Rangers for years, needs a change.
  • Finally, can we re-sign some pieces that make the team work? Looking at Viktor Stalberg specifically here.

Tell me in the comments what one player you’d like to see either come to or leave the Rangers.

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23 thoughts on “Father’s Day Musings

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 9:28 am

    They say that Taylor Hall is available, and the Oilers have a need for defensemen, try to work out a deal for him, maybe Staal, and a prospect?????? Wait, we have no prospects remember, all those lost draft picks for retreads !!!!!!!!!!!

    As for Stepan, I’d listen to offers from any team that has an interest, but the return has to be a roster player, and a #1 at least, he is our best all around center, but I’d be willing to move him just the same !!!!!!!!!!!

    Becky, there is nothing like a thinking woman, and I have to agree 100000% on Stamkos, we don’t need a long term contract, and $10 mil per year, to start with, that’s counter productive………….By the way, aren’t Stamkos’ numbers starting to decline, and we are upset at Nash, just imagine the outcry if he doesn’t produce after two seasons, and has five left on his contract, these pages will be afire with anger !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We should be looking for speed, and some more speed, in young bodies, not go after older players. I understand Steve isn’t considered old, excluding him, I’m talking about the UFA this year, none appeal to me at all…………..

    • Jun 19, 2016 at 11:41 pm

      Totally agree Walt. I’ve been saying the same thing about Stamkos. Just imagine if he didn’t score in the playoffs n we lost that series. Gorton would never hear the end of it n Stamkos would be driven out of town. Let’s not forget that Stamkos doesn’t do all the other things that Nash does either. He’s either scoring or he’s not doing anything. Also agree go get speed n young guys with speed not guys in their past years. To me it still comes down to what happens with our defense. If we’re not gonna move Girardi or Staal then they better have bounce back years n Girardi be moved down to the 3rd pairing. I do agree with the article that Staal wasn’t as bad as fans say he was. But he has to move the puck sooner instead of waiting till he gets drilled n knocked off the puck.

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 9:36 am

    Saying Hall is available is just setting the table to trade the Nuge. Sucker bites, Oilers ask beyond the moon, then…”What do you want for Nuge?”

    Smart operators know the baggage and walk away, Garth Snow pays over the odds and drives him to the Betty Ford clinic before Canadian Thanksgiving.

    • Jun 19, 2016 at 11:14 am

      You don’t know my man when people are attempting to be sarcastic, read the last part of the opening sustenance!!!!!!!!!! What am I saying, we couldn’t make a deal without something other than Staal alone……..

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 9:40 am

    Just about right. It is destructive to be emotional about this issue just as it is bad business not to listen to offers from all directions regarding any player. At the end of the day though, careful decisions must be made so as to avoid what amounts to a fire sale (Haglin).

    NYR do have a long history of buying someone else’s star and it really has never worked. It is time to go back to the old fashioned way of building from within. Too bad the last effort was disrupted by the loss of Dubinski, Anisimov and Calahan.

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 9:47 am

    That 3 never talented enough. The problem is that the trade of assets always is looking towards the now instead of looking towards the future. The Devils did a great job of turning a 3rd rounder into 1st & 2nd round talent that they would trade for a current guy along with an upgrade in picks.

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 10:17 am

    As long as Sather is part of decision making we will never move forward

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 10:22 am

    The Rangers are notorious for giving up on young players. Duclair being the last one. So no, I wouldn’t want to see Hayes dealt as a throw in. I agree with Becky, Stepan is a very important part of this hockey team and unless the Rangers get a deal they can refuse, he should remain a Ranger.

    The Rangers need to add talented young players with lower salaries to help them stay under the salary cap. Its difficult to do this when pissing away their draft picks.

    While its good to be on the lookout for players that can help the roster, the Blue Shirt organization needs to get more from the players they have. If AV isn’t up to the task, then bring in a new coach. The Penquins did this and we all know how that turned out.

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 11:30 am

    I just don’t get the trade Hayes Rhetoric. He has 158 career games, 81 points and currently costs 900k a year. Why are we looking to trade him?

    • Jun 19, 2016 at 12:08 pm

      I agree Spozo. It’s stupid but if we did trade him as long as the return addresses something. I doubt the Rangers would trade a 24 year old that can play center or the off wing.

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    No one even mentioned the back end. Isn’t that the main issue this team had? If someone is traded, shouldn’t the return adress the defense?

    • Jun 19, 2016 at 3:19 pm


      Your right, but we can’t move the two pylons, so what can anyone do ???? I’d do anything to rid us of both of those guys, and help with some cap as well, just to rid us of them, but they have to approve any movement on our part………….

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    I wouldn’t trade Hayes but I’m all in on trading Stepan and brining in Stamkos. Bold action is needed at this juncture. Contrary to what was said above, the Rangers once brought in somebody else’s star, a guy named Messier and that turned out pretty well.

    • Jun 19, 2016 at 2:09 pm

      Key word: “once”

    • Jun 19, 2016 at 3:22 pm


      You are a very smart man, and I respect your posting very much, but even a broken clock is right twice a day……….Come on now, with the history we have, and the list is a mile long, we always get stuck with everyone else’s trash, and pay dearly for the right to loose with the big marquee name for everyone to see!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Jun 19, 2016 at 5:37 pm

        I hear you Walt but in my view Rangers really need to upgrade in the centre slot. Eddie will go on about how we have no marquee players and Stamkos is a marquee player. I know Stepan is home grown and I too have been afflicted by the homegrown bias, but I was one of the first to advocate trading him and I’ll stand by that view. You are right, the Rangers have brought in too many older players at ridiculous prices, but Stamkos is in his prime and as I’ve said before we can and should try JT at his natural centre position. As the man said before the elephant in theroomisthecoach. I really hope Gorton lives up to expectations and makes smart moves. Nobody is going to trade for G or Staal, given the years they had. I wish that Gorton had pulled off a deal for Stamkos and Drouin, but getting Stammer for cash only is just fine. I outlined before for you how it could be done when you asked in a previous thread.

        • Jun 19, 2016 at 7:25 pm

          You could be right, I’m sooooooo gun shy with long term deals, and with guys that are, or passed their prime, it just doesn’t feel right……..

          This morning on the previous thread, I posted a statistic that was flashed on NHL channel. The oldest team, with the average age, was Florida, and we were second . That just blew me away, I never thought we were that old, wow that was an eye opener. SJ was 3rd, with the likes of Joe Thorton, Pat Marleau, Pavalski, Ward, Burns, I would have bet they were the oldest in the league. That is why I consistently call for youth, speed, and more speed. Looking at the finals, SJ was breathing heavier as the series progressed, those old legs couldn’t keep up.

          There lye’s the problem with Stammer, how long will he produce at an elite level? He was surrounded by a great team, and we saw his numbers go down. What will happen with us, no all stars to speak of, what will we get for $10+ mil a year???????? I don’t want to take the chance !!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Jun 19, 2016 at 9:48 pm

            I’m curious Walt. What was this stat based on? Is it the average age of players currently signed? The average of the team to finish this past season! The Rangers will not have Dan Boyle or Dom Moore on the team this upcoming season. When you take that in to account I just don’t believe that right now when you consider all players signed that the Rangers are the 2nd oldest team in the NHL.

            • Jun 20, 2016 at 7:21 am

              the roster that ended the season I’m assuming….

              the point is, we don’t need the geritol players any more, lets get kids with pep in their legs !!!!!!!

              I have never been a fan of too many vets on a team, as seen with SJ, as the PO’s advanced, they looked more, and more tired, and beat…..

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 1:15 pm

    Stop all the trading!!!
    Imagine if we had NO GM the past 3 years…….
    We would still have Hagelin, Strallman, Duclaire, boyle, callahan and 3 or 4 number one draft picks …….
    Trading for the St Louis, Yandles, and Eric stalls of the world only move us farther away from a cup!!!!!

    That being said the only trade I would endorse would be one which gets rid of girardi even if it means parting with a stepan or a fast …..
    although the only GM stupid enough to trade for him recently retired …..

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 1:19 pm

    Stepan is 26, yes, and he’s already slow and soft, bye.
    We ended up with Ryan Gropp in the Hagelin deal, very possible he may make fans forget Hags real fast.

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    Until they play the Penguins every year for the next, oh I don’t know, 5 years! (;

  • Jun 19, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    Come to… Dumba

    Go to… Brass or Zuch

    Let the thumbs downs fly.

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