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In case you missed it, the New York Rangers traded both Cam Talbot and Carl Hagelin during the 2015 NHL Draft. The return for Hagelin was Emerson Etem and the #41 pick on Saturday. The return for Talbot was three picks on Saturday. While most of this post is going to analyze the Hagelin/Etem swap, I’d be remiss if I didn’t at least first cover the Talbot trade.
While many rumors pointed to the Rangers getting a much bigger haul for Talbot, it’s not surprising that the Rangers landed what they did. Rumors went from a top-15 pick to a 1st round pick to a pair of seconds and a prospect to just about anything. This is why they are rumors and not reported facts. In the end, Talbot is a 27 year old pending UFA with just 57 games under his belt. Yes, he played very well, but goalies are weird. He could be great, he may not be. Without certainty, both on the ice and with his contract, the value was going to take a hit.
The Talbot trade comes off as a disappointment not because of the return, but because of the rumors heading into the draft. The reaction on the Hagelin trade was entirely different.
Day One of the 2015 NHL Draft came and went last night, with the Rangers staying largely silent. There were rumblings of an eventual deal for Cam Talbot, but that was the only action we saw for the Rangers. It was a relatively boring night.
Day Two, however, was the complete opposite. The day opened with more Talbot rumors. But before the eventual Talbot deal could be made, the Rangers shocked their fan base by sending Carl Hagelin to the Anaheim Ducks for Emerson Etem. The trade also involved the Rangers moving up in the draft from #59 to #41, giving Anaheim the 59th and 179th picks. The Rangers grabbed forward Ryan Gropp with the 41st pick.
Minutes after making their selection, the Rangers then sent Talbot to the Edmonton Oilers for three draft picks. The Rangers got the 57th, 79th, and 184th picks. The Oilers also got the 209th pick in the deal.
Talbot played 36 games with the Rangers this year, and basically saved the Rangers when Henrik Lundqvist went down with his vascular injury. Talbot posted a 21-9-4 record with a 2.21 GAA and .926 SV% over that time, steadying the Rangers during what could have been a rough stretch. In 21 games last year, Talbot put up a remarkable 1.64 GAA and a .941 SV%.
The value for Talbot was sky high, and it would have been silly for the Rangers to hold on to a guy that was only going to play 20-25 games, and none after April.
Well, the second day of the draft is upon us, and the Rangers actually have picks to use today. Even though the Rangers didn’t pick last night, there was a little bit of disappointment that they didn’t, since Cam Talbot was supposed to be traded for a first round pick. The general feeling was disappointment when they did not trade him last night.
That said, Talbot should be dealt today, likely early, so that the Rangers can get more picks in the second round. Right now, the Rangers have the following picks:
- 2nd round – 59th overall
- 3rd round – 89th
- 4th round – 119th
- 6th round – 179th
- 7th round – 209th
The Rangers traded their 5th round pick to the Canucks last year for Raphael Diaz.
As per usual, we will be live blogging the draft. Be sure to join us. I’ll be bolding the Rangers picks and moves. I won’t be updating every trade up/down. Just the ones that affect the Rangers.
With Robin Lehner and David Legwand heading to Buffalo for the 21st overall pick in the draft, all eyes have turned to the Cam Talbot sweepstakes. Initially Edmonton was the front runner, but Katie Strang has noted that Calgary is the front runner now. Darren Dreger noted that a pair of second rounders plus might get it done.
Trading Talbot for a pair of 2015 second rounders plus will be a coup. That “plus” is interesting though.
11am: Kevein Weekes is noting Florida has significant interest.
12pm: Mark Spector says that if the Rangers can’t land a first rounder, the deal will wait until tomorrow.
1:30pm: Dreger is noting the Rangers have been offered a first round pick for Talbot. I can’t believe his value is this high. Stunned.
3:30pm: Dougie Hamilton has been traded from Boston to Calgary for the 15, 45, and 52 picks in the 2015 draft. This takes Calgary out of the Talbot sweepstakes.
4:30pm: Per Frank Seravalli, the first round pick offered is from San Jose (#9). My own opinion: It has to be Talbot+.
I find the NHL Draft to be such an interesting concept. Not only do front offices have to be ready to deal with reacting to their punch list of player rankings and how to best utilize those picks, they also must engage in rapid-fire trade discussions and last minute pick movement. Fascinating. The Rangers are in an unusual position (for them, at least) at the Draft this season, having no high picks and several valuable assets. There are numerous ways the next two days can play out, so naturally, I have some thoughts.
- Might as well start with Cam Talbot. Over the last few weeks, we have gotten a little better idea about where his market stands in the context of a potential bidding war between Buffalo, San Jose, Edmonton and potentially teams like Dallas or Florida. The claim is that Sather turned down two second round picks. I trust the big guy’s trading prowess, and that’s a solid return to turn your nose up at in a very deep draft.
Per Larry Brooks, General Manager Glen Sather is holding out on a trade of Cam Talbot until he receives a first round pick. He has reportedly turned down offers with a pair of second rounders, and a high second with a solid prospect. The Rangers apparently really want into the first round of this draft.
Personally, I would take either deal for Talbot, since turning him into a pair of assets would be a great return. In the end, I still think that’s what gets the deal done, but it’s hard to fault Slats and Jeff Gorton for holding out. Talbot is going to set the market on this.
Mark Spector of Sportsnet is speculating that the Edmonton Oilers are not going to give the Rangers the #16 pick unless a defenseman is included in the trade. This seems to make sense, since the Oilers need a defenseman as well and the Rangers need to shed an additional contract from the blue line. My guess is that the delay is that Slats is either trying to work a bigger deal, or he is trying to squeeze that first rounder out of them.
Spector also notes that Slats prefers not to deal Talbot to Buffalo, since they are “in state.” But the Sabres are in a different division, so I don’t know if that adds up.
In the end, if it’s Talbot alone, I think he nets either a pair of 2nds or a 2nd and a prospect.
More Cam Talbot stuff from Darren Dreger, who noted that the Oilers
offered two second round picks in exchange for the goalie. Update: Sorry, I misunderstood. Dreger said the Oilers were not the team that offered two seconds. But a team did offer it. Glen Sather/Jeff Gorton turned down that offer, and are trying to land a first round pick, the #16 overall, but the Oilers haven’t bitten yet.
Mark Spector thinks that the Oilers are more likely to deal the #33 pick and “something else.” My guess is that this will eventually be settled for the #33 and a forward prospect.
Per Darren Dreger, a trade of Rick Nash is highly unlikely. There had been some rumblings that the Rangers were going to move Nash, but it was mostly speculation. Nash has the highest cap hit on a New York Rangers team that needs to clear cap space. However, there are much smarter ways to go about clearing cap space than dealing the team’s top goal scorer. The full video is below.
Dreger also discusses the Cam Talbot sweepstakes in the video. Talbot is discussed around the three-minute mark, Nash at the four-minute mark.