The Rangers should consider capitalizing on Jimmy Vesey’s trade value

Stop me if you’ve heard this before: The Rangers are going to be sellers at the trade deadline.

Ok I’m not listening to you guys trying to stop me, because while we’ve been discussing –almost ad naseam– about Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello, Chris Kreider, and Adam McQuaid, one player that may fetch a decent haul is getting overlooked, and that is Jimmy Vesey.

Vesey, who signed his two-years, $2.275 million bridge deal this summer, has been playing middle-six minutes for the Rangers since his arrival. He’s broken the 15-goal mark in each of his first two seasons, and will likely do so this season. He’s a guy that can fill in very nicely on a team that needs a scoring threat on the third line.

But here’s a dirty little secret: Vesey is actually pretty bad without the puck. His relative xGF% of his three NHL seasons (in order): -6.97, -2.72, -4.74. So while he’s a 15-20 goal scorer each of his first three seasons, his perceived reputation as a solid middle-six with scoring touch is a tad overblown.

The good thing is that much like Jeff Gorton, there are many NHL GMs that probably view Vesey as a solid tertiary scoring player who can provide “solid grit and depth.” As we’ve seen with Brian Boyle, who fetched a second round pick from Nashville, there’s value there, even if it’s only perceived value.

On his own, Vesey can probably bring back a Brian Boyle-esque (2nd round pick) return. However in a package deal, say included in a deal with Hayes, that may be the difference between a solid prospect and a very good prospect. Perhaps he’s the difference in moving up a round in a draft pick acquired? You never know. The fact that he’s not a pure rental may actually help in this regard, since he’s still cost-controlled and under just 25 years old.

Vesey’s the kind of player that always seems to get moved at the deadline because teams need to either fill out their depth, replace injured players, or just panic and want a somewhat known quantity. NHL GMs do crazy things. Or perhaps I just have rose colored glasses on.

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31 thoughts on “The Rangers should consider capitalizing on Jimmy Vesey’s trade value

  • Feb 11, 2019 at 12:06 pm
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    Vesey is a young player who plays DQ’s style. He will not be moved. He is another player that will benefit playing on a line with better players. You cannot keep sticking him with 3rd and 4th line players and expect all good results. He goes to the net hard, something only 2 or 3 players on this team do regularly.

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    • Feb 11, 2019 at 12:48 pm
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      Vesey is not a 2nd line player, nor do I believe he is a 4th line player. If he buried those other 10 chances he had with wide open nets this year I would consider otherwise. There seems to be this split second of complacency in the crease area that prevents him taking it to the next level.

      I don’t think he is the same style of player as Boyle either but not all GMs value players in the same manner: it has more to valuing their need for that player.

      So I think he is worth a 2nd rounder as well but as Tanto says he can help sweeten a deal for a Top 6 prospect.

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    • Feb 11, 2019 at 3:14 pm
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      I agree with you on most of what you say but as noted in this post, Vesey is not very good away from the puck so having him on the top 6 would be a detriment to his line mates. As a 3rd line forward Vesey is getting mostly offensive zone starts. Sure it depends how another GM views Vesey but the stats don’t lie.
      I don’t think there’s too many veteran NY Rangers that won’t be or become available at some point between now and the trade deadline. I think Vesey tops out (some day) as a solid 3rd line winger on a good team. Using him as anything more would be hurting him and his team. He’s kind of a one dimensional forward but maybe some day he will start to score on those shots at open nets he’s missing now. If I can get a #2 for Vesey or he turns a no into a yes by sweetening the pot, I’m all in.
      I like Vesey but the Rangers have too many needs to hold Vesey long term.

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 12:10 pm
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    If he can in some way bring back or contribute in a deal for a LEGIT TOP 6 prospect, then sure … otherwise you have to consider that we need high quality depth if we want to truly compete down the line. Vesey gets lots of Grade A scoring chances, he isn’t a true finisher but he still could be a depth 20 goal scorer in a couple of years. In all honesty though I might prefer moving Namestnikov first, but mostly because of his salary in relationship to his production. Unfortunately he’s doing little to help his current trade value, but there’s always a GM out there that will overvalue a player like that.

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    • Feb 11, 2019 at 12:59 pm
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      Name and Buch have more value than Vesey and I think the former is playing more of DQ’s style of game these days. He may not be putting up points but I think that would come with the right linemates (or better chemistry through stability of linemates). Buch needs very much the same. Don’t like the idea of trading Buch’s skill set unless its good value. For Cap reasons, we also need diversity in age/contracts. No point in loading up on a ton of young guys with skill as you won’t be able to keep them all when we ever get back in contention.

      It will be very interesting to see if Toronto ends up down the same road as the Blackhawks with having 2 monstrous contracts that were signed post Stanley Cups. Penguins seem to be the only team to win that balancing act in finding good low pay guys to compliment their studs. Actually Bruins Top players were selfless in helping them get back to respectability quickly by having cap space.

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 12:28 pm
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    Actually, in a way, trading Vesey makes a lot more sense than trading Hayes or Zuccarello. To create a competitive team, you need some really good players. Zuc and Hayes are good. They will be hard to replace and trading them just puts the Rangers further in the hole. One need look no further than Andersson to see that high draft choices and top prospects are not a panacea. Now, I certainly consider trading Zuccarello and Hayes. Personally, I negotiate with them for a new contract and if I do not like the way the numbers come out, they are gone (and I suspect they have actually done this with Hayes).

    On the other hand, Vesey is a depth player. These are much easier to replace – indeed this is often the fate of prospects who do not live up to expectations. So we have a player who could help a contender in the short run and is not very important in the long run. A player worth more to somebody else than he is to me is a good guy to deal. There are other players in this category as well.

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 12:28 pm
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    They like to trash him on the blogs, but Vesey has 48(!) more than shots than our “Russian son”. if there is a trade enhancer it’s buch… Gives the other club more term anyway.

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 12:45 pm
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    Off-topic but the most important news of the day. K’Andre Miller crashed *very* hard into the boards on Saturday, had to be helped off the ice and couldn’t put any weight on his left knee. But the very good news is that he’s just banged up and is only expected to miss next weekend’s games

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    • Feb 11, 2019 at 4:57 pm
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      Rod

      Great news, but what ass would give a thumb down , it’s foolish isn’t it………….

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      • Feb 11, 2019 at 6:35 pm
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        I actually laughed. Are they that opposed to off-topic news? They certainly weren’t hoping for bad news!

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 12:53 pm
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    Trade Vesey… no one would care. no one would remember him, until he’s playing on the other team and his name comes up…
    “oh, look, it’s Jimmy Vesey, Joe” says Sam
    “oh, look at that, it is Jimmy Vesey. Sam he used to play here at the garden” says Joe.
    “Thank you Captain Obvious Joe”. says Sam.

    and that will be his contribution to the Rangers… just a name on a jersey.

    I got an idea, Trade Vesey to either Buffalo or Nashville – only. lol
    Another prospect that just couldn’t live up to the expectations. Vesey is no top 6 forward.

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 1:04 pm
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    On the college free agent perspective trading Hayes or Vesey doesn’t look good, but trading them TOGETHER looks downright hideous. Maybe someone like future Harvard grad Adam Fox looks at this and says I don’t like the way this smells and crosses the Rangers off his list. And not only Fox, but other CFA’s too.

    The Rangers wooed and signed these guys, they were in demand, and now they may be discarded… not very good optics, it’s a very sticky situation. Something to consider.

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    • Feb 11, 2019 at 1:10 pm
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      All College Free Agents sign where there is an immediate opportunity to play. That remains true with the Rangers in every way (I mean seriously, do you think the Rangers current Defensemen question whether he would get legit minutes from the get go?). If you as a player/FA meet expectations, you don’t get traded and I think most guys looking to sign respect that. Now if Fox is good mates with one of them then that is a different story.

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      • Feb 11, 2019 at 1:26 pm
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        Can’t disagree with you, except hasn’t Hayes met or possibly exceeded expectations? And now he is “on the trade block”. I understand it’s a business, but there’s a human element also and we are dealing with kids basically.

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        • Feb 11, 2019 at 1:56 pm
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          Until we know whether that is Hayes or JG’s doing we can’t say yet who the smart and dumb one were. And keep in mind, its only been this current year that Kevin has exceeded. Granted that could be AV’s fault. Next year will determine that when he is making a comfortable $6-7mil and performing to that.

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    • Feb 11, 2019 at 2:17 pm
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      I disagree. Both Hayes and Vesey were given the opportunity to make their mark In New York. It is not like they signed one day and were traded the next. You know who I would not want to play for, a team that has no conception of how to become competitive. If trading Hayes and/or Vesey is the right thing to do, and the Rangers can’t see that, that sounds like an organization for a young player to avoid.

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    • Feb 11, 2019 at 4:21 pm
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      Hayes has been here for 5 seasons and Vesey for 3. Are the Rangers supposed to keep them here forever? There is nothing to consider. They were signed when the team was competing. Now they are rebuilding. Players get traded in rebuilds. Its very simple.

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 1:40 pm
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    “The Rangers should consider capitalizing on Jimmy Vesey’s trade value”

    BWHAHAHAHAHAHA (sorry David, lol)

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 1:41 pm
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    Zucc, Names and McQuaid all need to go no matter what. Hayes, Vesey, Buch could go, but we would need some helluvan offer.

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    • Feb 12, 2019 at 2:13 pm
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      Anyone without jersey number 72 should be traded in the right deal. Hayes, Zucc and mcquad all need to be traded. Fast, Vesey, ADA and nemestnikov should all be traded unless we are getting fleeced in the deal. If anyone will take stahl, shatty or Smith they should go. I would keep krieder unless it is a really good deal.

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 2:32 pm
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    Players like Namestnikov and Vesey are replaceable and might bring back decent returns, especially if packaged.

    Zuccarello is someone who I could see the Rangers possibly resigning in the off-season for a limited term at a team friendly price because he loves being with the Rangers. In the mean time they might get a nice return for him if packaged with a Vesey or Namestnikov.

    Zibanejad is signe to a relatively inexpensive deal for 5 years. He isn’t going anywhere unless a knock their socks off offer comes along. I believe that they don’t look to trade Kreider either. I will believe a Hayes trade when I see it because I think they would have made a trade already to get the best value for him. Until then, I think the Rangers would like to re-sign him if he will take something in the neighborhood of Mika money. If he wants more, they will shop him. But they shouldn’t pull the trigger nless they get a hefty return. Young two-way centers don’t grow on trees.

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 2:35 pm
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    Kreider should get the C, not be traded.

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 3:16 pm
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    Might be a market for Georgiev if he plays well in the next few games too. The theme needs to be “move em out”, whomever they be. More picks and more prospects are needed. Our AHL team is awful, showing that the pipeline is still quite empty. When we start being really competitive in Hartford, we will have a good team on the ice at MSG.

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    • Feb 11, 2019 at 3:49 pm
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      As if his value has come even close to peaking. No one has him in mind as their future number 1 at the moment so why bother. He makes near the league minimum through next year. Horrible idea you ‘thumb up’ guys!

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 4:13 pm
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    xGF% is a flawed stat. Compare Vesey to Fast.
    The reason you want to get rid of Vesey because you undervalue him. Who is better Fast or Vesey? You Fasters would rather keep Fast because he has NO Value and you couldn’t give him away. Get rid of Vesey because he has value and has scored 15 goals a year for the first 3 years and will get better and Fast can’t compare to that.
    Get rid of producers and keep non producers!
    People are saying to capitalize on Vesey’s value.
    NO ONE is saying to capitalize on Fasts Value. Because he has none.
    Get rid of talent and keep the utility player.
    You Fasters have bad judgments!

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 4:23 pm
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    I would consider moving Vesey in the right deal. No issues for me. I think they should also consider trading Fast as well.

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    • Feb 11, 2019 at 6:06 pm
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      Agree and do not agree.

      I laughed at the thought of trading Vesey because he has no trade value.

      And why are people intent on trading Fast? He’s a non-issue, overall. He doesn’t make a lot of $$ and he’s the best player along the boards that they have. So I’m not getting the incentive for trading him. It’s not like he will bring a lot back.

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 7:02 pm
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    2nd round draft picks are a crap shoot. No guarantee that the guy they pick up will even dress for one NHL game. Vesey has picked up his scoring this year. I would wait.

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  • Feb 11, 2019 at 10:10 pm
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    Vesey is a 25 year old mediocre NHL player who lacks the real skill to finish plays . I seriously doubt at this point he will ever excel to be a very good player in this league. He constantly misses open nets and opportunities to score. and is a third line player at best on a good team. I personally think he is over-rated and has been a big disappointment. Look at a guy out of college that was highly regarded and has developed like Johnny Gaudreau and you see a very good NHL player. Even Kevin Hayes has panned out to be a skilled player. I would trade Vesey and his 15 goals in a heartbeat for a second rounder and a prospect.

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  • Feb 12, 2019 at 9:30 am
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    So everybody knows other teams fans/scouts/player personnel/GM’s read these blogs and take them very seriously in their decision-making right?

    REPEAT AFTER ME:

    “Vesey is one of the GREATEST Rangers ever to put on the sweater!!”

    again…

    again…

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    • Feb 12, 2019 at 11:33 am
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      Sorry, my friend, but I can’t repeat anything or respond for that matter. No offense intended, but I must say, that is one of the most silly illogical, and uninformative statements I have ever heard on this blog.

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