Mailbag: Trade deadline, Claesson, and Quinn

No recap, wasn’t awake for the full game. Sorry folks.

Three questions for the mailbag this week. As always, use the widget on the right to submit questions.

Randy asks: Are there any surprise names you see being moved at the deadline?

The easy names to point out are Mats Zuccarello and Kevin Hayes. But that’s low hanging fruit. Moving both opens top-six spots for Lias Andersson, Brett Howden, and Pavel Buchnevich to fight over. Adam McQuaid is a maybe, and a player like him is almost always moved at the deadline. But that’s also low hanging fruit.

I’ll throw a name out there for you: Kevin Shattenkirk. Yea he’s been garbage, mostly because of his knee. He looks slower. But name brand value means something. The return won’t be much. The Rangers may need to retain. But I can see him being moved. That’s not a definite, I’m just thinking logically.

Also can see them moving Vlad Namestnikov.

Tim asks: What is everyone’s obsession with Fredrik Claesson?

It’s not an obsession. It’s a simple fact that he’s 26, he’s played better than arguably everyone else on the blue line, and yet he’s still a healthy scratch on a nightly basis. As Rob pointed out yesterday, the Rangers were playing their best hockey when he was paired with Shatty. It could be a coincidence. But nothing else has worked. Why not try it out again? Brendan Smith certainly isn’t getting the job done. Nor are McQuaid or Marc Staal. There’s nothing to lose.

Dave asks: How long does David Quinn have left as the Rangers coach?

Short answer: A long time.

Long answer: He certainly isn’t winning fans over with some of his roster decisions. It could be directive from above to build trade value. His defensive zone system of giving up the blue line in order to force the play to the outside isn’t working. The best coaches adjust their style to the players they have, and we have yet to see what he can do with an actual competent blue line in front of him. However those are two glaring strikes against him.

It’s been 42 games though. Quinn is known for player development, even if his in-game decision making has been called into question before he came to the Rangers. Is he the right coach? There isn’t enough information yet. We will know when we see what Andersson, Chytil, Howden, DeAngelo (who can’t seem to get in the lineup) and others turn into.

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47 thoughts on “Mailbag: Trade deadline, Claesson, and Quinn

  • Jan 9, 2019 at 7:32 am
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    To be fair to the coach, I won’t judge him until after the trade deadline, and see what he has to work with.

    None of us know what is going on in the locker room, but if we see that a player like Zucc quit on this coach, and team, how many others are doing the same. There is talk that Hayes is dogging it now that it appears he will be traded. If’s that’s the case, get rid of him along with the trash. He signed a contract in good faith, and if true he is violating his contract, and should be moved yesterday!!!!!

    I knew this was going to be a long season, but the team showed a pulse early on in the season, now they are playing like the walking dead. As far as I’m concerned the trade deadline can’t get here too soon. I hope that JG does his job right, gets the maximum return for all he will trade, and that we get a top three pick in the upcoming draft!!!!!!

    • Jan 9, 2019 at 7:34 am
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      should have read “if that is the case”

    • Jan 9, 2019 at 10:49 am
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      “Talk” is dangerous Walt. I really don’t think Hayes is “dogging it”.

      Re: trades, if ever a player was making a statement that we shouldn’t trade him it’s Hayes. He’s been our best player for months now and his current absence is clearly being felt. The young kids up the middle clearly can’t carry the water yet. If you think this year has been rough, imagine what next year would be like without Hayes. If I had to choose between Hayes at $6m+ and Mika at $5m+ I would go with Hayes, but clearly having them as a 1-2 or 2-1 punch is the best option. There will always be time to trade either one of them when the young guys mature.

      • Jan 9, 2019 at 3:35 pm
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        Both will hardly nick 50 points at this rate . players have 60 and 70 already. idk how “both” is the best option. Obv one has to go in order to further the march towards a top c prospect. right now the best were looking at is newton or zegras unless Byram slips and they go d.

        • Jan 9, 2019 at 6:57 pm
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          You can’t compare either to elite offensive players, it’s about what they might mean to this team in particular. Right now there’s no one who can produce points like Hayes, when there is you can trade him all you want.

      • Jan 9, 2019 at 9:04 pm
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        Unless, of course, mgmt. give NTC,NMC, which they are want to do.

    • Jan 9, 2019 at 11:00 am
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      “There is talk that Hayes is dogging it now that it appears he will be traded”

      TMZ covers hockey now?

      • Jan 9, 2019 at 2:58 pm
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        There was a talk show on TSN, and they mentioned it, but you have to be a smart ass don’t you???????

        • Jan 9, 2019 at 4:23 pm
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          In my household I keep hockey news on 24/7 unless if the Bachelorette is on (not for me). I think it’s convenient to have a story like this with zero evidence to show from it. I’m sorry but I call BS about this hot take. I would have either heard about it already or read about it. Larry Brooks and other the beat writer’s would have had something to say about it by now.

          I think you’re misinformed about Bryan Hayes who said Kessle was dogging it from 2015.

        • Jan 9, 2019 at 6:49 pm
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          Is that why Hayes is “not playing?”

          I never bought the fact that Hayes was hurt, especially citing the AZ game as when it happened, simply because he went on a pt tear after that.

          Doesn’t make sense.

          • Jan 9, 2019 at 7:27 pm
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            The comment made went along the line that the negotiations weren’t going so well, that’s when his pain (increased), and he couldn’t play. Now let’s see Hayes’ ass wipe has to check and respond. Get a life there Mint………….

            By the way man, if and when Hayes is moved, please follow him to that teams blog, we won’t miss your bull shit at all!!!!!!!!!

            • Jan 9, 2019 at 7:42 pm
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              As soon as the words “No movement contract” came out of Hayes’ agent’s mouth, the Rangers probably stopped listening.

              And let’s be honest, how many people here believe that Hayes would have this same production as this year, or better, for the first 4 years of his new contract? Raise of hands. My hand is down.

              • Jan 9, 2019 at 8:03 pm
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                Amen!!!!!!

  • Jan 9, 2019 at 8:27 am
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    There is a reason why Cloesson was a depth defenceman for Ottawa…he’s not that good. Zuc made a nice play to Zib last for the first goal. I don’t think he’s given up so much, it more to do with the fact the Rangers spent so much time in their own end.

  • Jan 9, 2019 at 8:41 am
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    Ranger decline started when the year turned over, and they saw the reality of the situation – more games on the road against better teams. Combine this with the elephant in the room regarding the upcoming trade deadline, and the team has fallen apart. This is a new situation for Quinn, having never to have dealt with this on the college level.

    We also have the injury to Hayes and the combined collapse of Howden, Vesey & Chytil. This team needs an influx of new blood, hopefully by the way of great prospects coming thru trades. I am thinking we are going to be picking around 7 in the next draft.

    I would really like to see us move out 3 defenseman so that the kids can come up and show their stuff. Can they be worse than what we currently throw out their every game?

    • Jan 9, 2019 at 9:01 am
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      I don’t think Zuc gave up either. Think , as he admits, it played in his head and when a player is distracted he plays poorly. Last night I didn’t see him giving up. I think he got it off his chest and will play much better. He would be an asset to a real contender. Hope he goes to a good team. Hes been through a lot in nine years. Maybe the rangers get a good draft choice this year. Same for Hayes. He could get a first round choice depending on the buyers situation.

  • Jan 9, 2019 at 10:19 am
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    The only elephants in the room is Tanner Glass and AV. Oh, that was last year. This year it is DQ. If he is forced to play Cody and {Tanner Fast on Kreiders line} it would not be his fault. When will the coach find a right wing to go on Kreiders line?
    AVDQ do not like to play the best players! Somebody must be filling DQ’s head with excrement. Maybe he is listening to John B, of who needs a leader fame.

  • Jan 9, 2019 at 10:20 am
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    Maybe David Quinn is the real genius here. Rather than play the young kids a ton and win one lose one, he decided to play the older vets so we could tank night after night. lol

  • Jan 9, 2019 at 11:09 am
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    Yesterday Dolan talked about the “strategy we agreed on”, to me this could mean, the MGT was to play as many “Jerseys” on the ice as were in the stands the first half, meaning we want to push ticket sales and make as much as we can prior to mid season. I think now we are here, knowing how the team is with and without the better players and where the team is in the standing, now is the next part of the ongoing rebuild “Strategy”.

    I don’t know the books, I can’t see the numbers, but I am sure some bean counters were involved in meetings that drove some decisions that needed to be made to meet the $Trategy… you see what I did there…

    JG now has to go out and meet the next level of this $trategy by obtaining the team that can advance and still cover whatever the next markers are in terms of bank…

    just MO

    LGR!!!

  • Jan 9, 2019 at 11:17 am
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    The reality
    Let’s just say that: 37 government employees, 14 police officers, 3 TV news crews including CNN and a school of Christian highschool kids witness and film a UFO land and spin around in UFO fashion for over 30 mins.
    A live broadcast , all its witnesses, cell phone imagery and recordings, police reports and testimony from Christian school children wouldn’t be enough to convince the world that Aliens are real. They’d call us all liars. Come up with some excuse of a mass something or other… it’ll be over before it’s even finished being recorded.
    The Rangers Management will do it’s best in returns. They’ll believe that they did the best possible job with the options they had. They’ll be proud and ready for the next phase.
    Two mins later – most if not dam near all will begin writing stories about how bad of a job they’re doing. Post after post from guys that “really know better”/
    So, maybe just a little more honestly. Such as ” I can’t wait to bash these guys about the trades they haven’t made yet.”
    Most of you have no chance at being happy about the upcoming trade deadline. It hasn’t even happened yet and we’re 3-4 articles into “how bad they are” or “they aren’t doing anything right this very second so I get mad”.

    • Jan 9, 2019 at 12:11 pm
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      This is because it is boring watching a team that is going nowhere. What would this blog be without complaints? We cannot praise the team for the current losing streak, can we?

    • Jan 9, 2019 at 12:13 pm
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      Your post is quite cryptic. Are you hinting that the Rangers are considering creating a human/alien hybrid to play for them? That would RULE.

      • Jan 9, 2019 at 1:35 pm
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        yes. they are! that’s the secret management isn’t telling anyone. We’ll have to get used to using their strange names… like GLAGLENDO- pronounce- O’Dowell. Or the more common name MeegleDurp – pronounced – O’Dowell.

    • Jan 9, 2019 at 12:13 pm
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      There is a lot of anger I see here. This is not some great government conspiracy that the Rangers as a franchise suck from the owner and all the way down. No one here thinks it is some crazy conspiracy. It is truth based on years of evidence. And to the simple retort of well what about the 3 conference finals? My reply is what about the 17 other years this management has been in place? 2 1st round picks for a has been to make it to the final but get buried in 5 games is a loftie price for a guy who was begging to leave Tampa. And wasn’t hiding the fact he wanted out of there. I am not saying that this front office sucks but man they are not very good. 😜

      The draft is a crapshoot. I am in now way saying I could do better. The only thing I would do is go off the general consensus on the talent pool that has been scouted for years. Not suddenly decide to pick a guy ranked in the 20’s with the 7th overall pick. I would not take my only 2nd round draft choice and select a goalie with it when I have 3 goalies in the system and seem to be set in that department. And don’t say oh it was the best talent at the position …no goalie has ever returned any value that is unproven. So the only way a goalie even remotely returns something is if he plays and guys at that point what did we get again for Talbot? To a team dying for goaltending?

      So where is the conspiracy? They suck and have sucked for a long time. It is long overdue that at least the GM/President retires/gets fired. I am willing to let things go with Gorton. I give him a clean slate especially if he fires Ruff right away. But how remote is that idea? I got an idea lets hire a brand new coach and let him bring in brand new ideas but keep the same horrible defensive coach that is so bad he can’t find a head coaching job anywhere cause the league has passed his ancient ass in the dust. When is the last time Ruff had a winning season as a head coach?

      I am simply a fan wishing for change like you are a fan wishing for sunny skies. It is the same thing. I am just a lot more realistic about my approach then you are. I don’t care if they take the appropriate pick and he flops. I don’t care if they trade someone and get the right value for him but he decides he doesn’t like ny and just tanks. I can live with that. What I can’t live with is constantly over paying for has beens and drafting out of position cause they think they know better then everyone else. Stick to a script and execute it. Don’t trade for a player like McQuaid during a rebuild and give 2 draft picks away.

    • Jan 9, 2019 at 9:13 pm
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      Q, you are a breath of fresh truth, but these guys aren’t interested in the truth, most anyway, as you clearly already know. I however, enjoy your opinions.

  • Jan 9, 2019 at 12:30 pm
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    How you structure your prospect pipeline:

    On a 50 man roster, you have 27 spots available to distribute between the AHL and ECHL given that you have 3 years before players are waiver eligible, that would come out to 9 players a year, but because you’re gonna need a handful of 4th year players, it’s more like 8 per year. So that’s 2 F lines & a pair of D with a goalie mixed in every 3rd year. So at any point in the 3 year cycle you should have 6 F lines and 6 D with 2 G. With 2 minor league clubs needing 8 F lines & 12 D, the balance of players should be CHL grads & NCAA UDFA types.

    Top flight CHL & Euro prospects should start in Hartford, while lower round draftees and UDFAs should start in Maine getting big minutes. All prospects will be taunt how to play the defensive systems for the parent club, along with other defensive concepts common to most the teams in the NHL. When it is determined that they’ve learned the defensive roles, then they move up in offensive roles.

  • Jan 9, 2019 at 12:33 pm
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    I feel like I am repeating myself, so please pardon the repetitions of prior statements in my posts, but the subjects of the articles have been similar the last couple of days.

    The problem is sometimes it seems like they don’t seem to know how to do a rebuild and I suspect that the coach plays a couple of vets on defense to pick up wins that shouldn’t really matter much. My problem with what I’ve seen lately stems from having some players for whom there is little rationale to be playing with a rebuilding team nevertheless get significant ice time.

    Shattenkirk was a mistake. I guess it happens but when they got him they thought he was better (and not injuried) and they thought they had a chance in the playoffs. Now he is 30 and slow and paid a lot of money. Same thing happened when they gave Smith that silly contract. However, when they signed McQuaid, they were in rebuilding mode yet they signed a fading, slow footed veteran and gave up draft picks to get him. Seemed like a poor move to me. Then they play him over DeAngelo and Claesson…that is just piling it on.

    Maybe I am impatient, but I want to see them develop the young players. If they lost 60 games doing that it would be OK with me so long as there was hope and a plan. Shatty, McQuaid, McLeod and Smith seem rather hopeless.

    • Jan 9, 2019 at 1:42 pm
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      Peter, did you ever stop and think that maybe DQ is playing those vets to lose games? lol I see no evidence that playing McQuaid, Smith or Staal has led to any additional wins, in fact the opposite is occurring. 😉

      In all seriousness though, yeah I would want to see ADA and Claesson get more games … but before I go venting my displeasure with the coaching staff/FO I always stop and think to myself that 1) I don’t have all the information about the younger players (i.e. how they are in the locker room or in practice, etc.), 2) the trade deadline is fast approaching and the players the FO may be looking to trade have to be showcased, and 3) the younger players can learn new tricks, the older dogs probably can’t — so sitting the older players over and over doesn’t result in a teachable moment.

      So yeah, I have a different idea about the rebuild than what I’m seeing but I also want to acknowledge that what I’m seeing is the surface of the rebuild, not the guts. I can be a little patient despite the fact I can’t wait for the trade deadline to come and go.

      • Jan 9, 2019 at 2:30 pm
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        Fair points Tanto!

      • Jan 9, 2019 at 2:34 pm
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        Your right! Kreider was playing lights out and then he puts Fast on his line.

    • Jan 9, 2019 at 4:57 pm
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      More than a few people here were bagging on Shatty before the signing because of what he was: a third pair D who got PP time.

      Why is everybody surprised when that’s what he turned out to be?

      • Jan 9, 2019 at 6:45 pm
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        I was against getting Shattenkirk. I wanted a young and less expensive option. Then once they had him and he was racking up assists at a good clip I reconsidered. But since he came back from the injuries he does not seem to be that player any longer. Keith Yandle is an iron man in comparison, not a shut down guy but you wind him up and he scores 45 – 55 points. I don’t know if Shatty can hit that range that any longer.

        • Jan 9, 2019 at 6:54 pm
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          As a 1st PP QB guy getting sheltered minutes he could easily eclipse 40+ points, it just isn’t going to happen on this team now that St. Pionk is here. 😉 It does amaze me that Pionk can do anything … and I do mean ANYTHING … and not lose a minute of ice time. ADA sneezes in the same room as DQ and he’s sitting in the press box for 3-4 games. Again though, I’m not privy to the goings on, but it sure seems that way at times.

          • Jan 9, 2019 at 7:35 pm
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            Tanto

            Great point, and your right. DQ is showing he doesn’t always play the best players, sounds familiar doesn’t it………………

      • Jan 9, 2019 at 7:32 pm
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        Reenavipul

        If you remember I was one of the vocal people who didn’t want him at the trade deadline two years ago, and said right out that he was a defensive liability. Gees, maybe someone else on this site knows a little about the game other than the blowhard!!!!!!!!!! Wonder who that may be??????

        • Jan 9, 2019 at 7:57 pm
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          In all fairness to Shatty, he was not brought here to play defense. He was brought here to provide offense and lead the PP.

          The team was changed, he got hurt several times, and here we are. Another bad contract.

          Any fan with hockey knowledge knew that he was lacking on the D side. He was brought here to drive play from the back end. Mission not accomplished.

          • Jan 9, 2019 at 8:12 pm
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            Tony

            The problem with your post is no one could play defense, why add to that list????? Shatty’s heart may have been in the right place wanting to play here, but he proved time, and again with the Blues, and Caps that he couldn’t defend if his life depended on doing so. Let’s not forget that Barry Trotz called him out on that very point didn’t he? Besides, how many puck movers do we need? We have ADA, but he sits while Mc Quade, Smith, Staal all play, but none can skate, and the kid has a pine tree growing under his behind!!!!! Trade him, Shatty, already……………………………

            • Jan 10, 2019 at 6:21 am
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              At that time the Rangers did have McD, and he and Shatty were supposed to be the top pair, remember?

              Coach AV played them for 2 periods and broke them up, which was beyond reprehensible. But my point is that the circumstances when Shatty was first signed and now are completely different, and then the injuries.

              I mean I was for the signing only because Shatty (I thought) would provide something that the Rangers didn’t have. It didn’t work out.

              This is unlike the Redden, G, or Staal contracts, where those players were already shot when they got their contracts.

  • Jan 9, 2019 at 3:39 pm
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    I feel like the fan faves are the last to get called out . so I’m gonna do it.

    Pavel buchnevich … This was supposed to be his big rising year. He has 31 shots!

    Enough with blaming the coaching, add his name to the trade mix. May be a low cost sweetener.

    • Jan 9, 2019 at 4:32 pm
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      Yep, I been on Buch’s case since the start of the season. I always backed his style up until Quinn came on board and started to treat him like AV did (maybe a little bit better). He has had chances to play in the top 6 and PP ( especially with Zucc out ) and has failed miserably. He’s not skilled enough to play a none structure 200 ft game.

      • Jan 9, 2019 at 4:39 pm
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        hes never gonna be a guy that goes through players . + like much of the team is allergic to shooting. if that’s what Quinn wants I’m not sure what his future here is.

  • Jan 9, 2019 at 6:59 pm
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    I’m done speculating, I’ll complain about the moves after they happen.

    • Jan 9, 2019 at 7:27 pm
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      I’m staying away from the criticism in regards to Quinn..and wait until I see the K’Andres and Igors and Kratsovs…..That is when I will pay close attention… this season is full of bullcrap….and next season could be more of the same….21-22 is when we should be molded to Quinn specifications……21-22…..so we will hurt for a few more years……

      • Jan 9, 2019 at 7:48 pm
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        yeah, bro, I have always said that we need to see the team next year to really evaluate.

        So I’m taking my own advice. We will see soon enough.

        And I like Quinn. Assessing him now is useless, under these circumstances.

        Did you see Walt’s comment above, that TSN is implying that Hayes is staging a “sick out” because his contract negotiations are not going well? That makes more sense than having a delayed reaction to an injury that happened 3 weeks ago.

        • Jan 9, 2019 at 8:16 pm
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          Tony

          Is this Kevin’s version of a government shut down? LOL!!!!!!!!

        • Jan 9, 2019 at 8:32 pm
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          Tony

          Read a short article in “The Athletic .com” by Rick Carpiniello, and see what Hayes has to say. The way I interpret it, he doesn’t have much confidence in resigning. The article was dated December 28th, 2018. I guess the tone of Kevin’s response seems telling to me, but I could be wrong……And jut when did Hayes’ pain increase???? Just asking….

          • Jan 10, 2019 at 6:23 am
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            Yep, I see what you mean Walt, just read it.

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