Rangers win a snooze fest at MSG in exciting fashion

The Rangers came into last night’s game coming off two disappointing OT losses and losers of a lot of games recently. They had a prime opportunity to turn this losing streak around, facing a banged up Anaheim Ducks team that played the prior night in Pittsburgh and facing a backup goaltender (Chad Johnson). Yes, the Ducks were 9-1-0 in their last ten, but this is a situation where you look to take advantage.

You know the script though, the Rangers mustered five shots in two periods, got a late third period goal to tie it, and then lost in OT scored with less than a minute remaining while shorthanded to steal a win. This was ugly all around. There isn’t much else to say about this game. The Rangers couldn’t get anything going offensively, although they were significantly better defensively. Not sure if that sets the bar all that high, but hey, progress is progress.

Another positive is that the Rangers generated offense while shorthanded. Alex Georgiev played well too! Positives after a win!

Ducks 1, Rangers 0

This is just awful luck. Hockey happens.

Rangers 1, Ducks 1

Brett Howden gained the zone with speed, going wide while allowing Vlad Namestnikov to find the hole in the slot coverage. Howden had a perfect pass, and Namestnikov finished.

Rangers 2, Ducks 1

With the Rangers shorthanded, Vlad Namestnikov flipped the puck out of the zone to Kevin Hayes for the chance, and it just barely squeaked through Chad Johnson for the winner.

Rangers 3, Ducks 1

Filip Chytil empty netter.

Shot Heatmap

If the Rangers can consistently hold opponents to shot maps like this, they will be fine in the long run. That, of course, assumes the Rangers actually make progress offensively. This was one of those games that the Rangers stole victory from the jaws of defeat, mostly due to their anemic offense in this one.

A win is a win, and a defensively solid performance win is always promising. Now another three days off followed by back-to-backs followed by another three days off. The NHL schedule, folks.

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51 thoughts on “Rangers win a snooze fest at MSG in exciting fashion

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 6:27 am
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    I was there last night, and I want to get excited (call me Debbie Downer), but then I see that the Ducks were on their 3rd road game in 4 nights, so is it any wonder that the Rangers dominated the 3rd period? And it took all of that to win the game?

    I mean the SOG 5 on 5 was pitiful through 2 periods, similar to the Vegas game on Sunday (13 SOG 5 on 5 in that game). But the Rangers did battle and this was a much better effort than Sunday. They could only go up from there, right? BTW, the refs suck big time. They really do. The Names calls were atrocious and basically “made up” calls.

    Let’s get this out of the way, Hayes has played great, the best hockey of his career, and has earned whatever contract the Rangers may give him. But this is a 2 step process: 1) Has he earned a contract? Yes. 2) If Hayes is your best player, are you a contending team? Absolutely not. And that’s where I stand and why Hayes has to be traded.

    If the Rangers’ plan is to be “good” 2-3 years from now, that contract that Hayes would get would be a bad one at that time (declining production), so what good would he serve the team at that time? And why sign him now when his best play the next 2 years would serve no purpose than to give the fans someone to identify with? And to give our brother Mint something to crow about? lol.

    • Dec 19, 2018 at 7:21 am
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      Tony

      The score is so misleading isn’t it?

      40 seconds left in the game, Hayes gets a shorty, Chytil get’s an empty net goal, and we win 3-1, where we should have lost by at least that score.

      As for your post, this is a banner year for Hayes, which I suspect he couldn’t replicate again, so why bother signing a large contract which will be as bad as Girardi’s, and Staal’s! Get as much as you can for the man, thank him for his services, and show him the door!!!!!!!!

      • Dec 19, 2018 at 10:23 am
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        I’m with you Walt. Hayes is playing his best hockey ever. Great!!

        The team still sucks. Either they overhaul the D or load up on the forwards so the D doesn’t matter. Either way, that will take cap space.

        Unless the Rangers go through a 15 year rebuild through the draft (because God knows that we will never draft at the top), so by that time Chytil and guys like him will be retired by that time, lol.

        • Dec 19, 2018 at 2:19 pm
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          I don’t think the team sucks because of Hays. Get rid of the dead wood around him. Get rid of Anderson who does not appear to be that talented. Anderson will not be a 6’5″ monster or as good as Hays. We are one head shot away of Hayes being the first line center. I do not wish anything bad on anyone, I’m just saying…

          • Dec 19, 2018 at 2:25 pm
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            That’s not what I said, I said the team already has Hayes and they still suck, I didn’t say that the team sucks because of Hayes.

    • Dec 19, 2018 at 9:02 am
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      Idk why you have to be so insecure about this lol. If I was in the game of shoving stuff into people’s faces than I’d have a few things to tell you by now. Have you never had some barber shop talk with the boys irl? You can’t raise the white flag when about 2 months ago your tone was a 180 of how you saw things. Live and die by the sword bro. Don’t worry how I’ll act after a Hayes extension, I’ll be as humbling mf around here (pinky promise).

      As I told you back in June when I learned who Howden was. I knew Andersson would be pushed out due to him and with time Hayes will resign at 6 mill or more. Your argument was a weak in the sense that you want to resign Panarin next summer but get rid of the team’s best 5v5 player. They would be down a center and it would show right away making the Panarin investment go to a waste. Zib wouldn’t be able to handle a full on shutdown role even with the minutes and PP role on his side. They could easily clear up space to resign Hayes and put a player like Panarin on his side.

      I rather present a trade for Tarasenko with either Buch or Kreider in a package for him. Clear more space out if Panarin would want in. Kuch and Tampa will make a Panarin extension work, sorry but Rangers will have to present him with a better roster than Zib and Kreider as a top line threat. He could go play with Toews and Kane and give a proven franchise a chance to retool in 2-3 years of things don’t work out. It’s Exactly why Kovalchuk didn’t want to sign here and elected to play with Kopitar and Doughty.

      • Dec 19, 2018 at 10:11 am
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        There is a lot going on here.

        1) Let’s suspend what we know about the Rangers’ stated commitment to a rebuild and agree for a moment that bringing in both Panarin and Tarasenko could happen. This would mean going for the cup in the next two years rather than restocking for a longer term run beginning two years later. Yes, it would make sense to resign Hayes and try to move one of Kreider or Buch. I would enjoy that, but there would be more holes to fill — especially on D, and, it extends the “problem” of figuring out Andersson and Chytil’s growth/position. Frankly, the D presents a much bigger problem than whether Kreider or Buch are merely good vs elite. And, no, signing Karlsson is not a good idea at his expected cap hit. My sense is that you have not learned the lesson of the pre-cap Rangers’ failures…

        2) Let’s bring the rebuild back in and managing the club in both the short and longer term: Does Hayes with those two additions make this an elite team or just a good one? Here is where I think Richter’s consistent point (and your consistent unwillingness to learn from it) has to be addressed: Hayes is a very good Ranger, but on a team that is among the worst in 5v5 play and XGF% in the league, it’s not really saying all that much that he is our “best” 5v5 player. Hayes is having a fantastic contract year, but we should not expect that production to be sustained going forward. We should also not expect similar rates of production from Panarin or Tarasenko for more than a handful of years in the future. That is a lot of risk and expectation for even a very good team, let alone a rebuilding one. As for rebuilding, the Rangers are both bad at offense and porous on defense. Trading Hayes may help — through the acquisition of assets — address both of those for a competitive window that opens in two years. Would it be great for us to enjoy watching him play and lead a mediocre team? Of course — and that would be fun. I wouldn’t complain. Is it smart management? I don’t think so.

        3) You have no clue on Andersson’s development, Howden’s future, Kovy’s thinking, or what goes on the minds of players when making choices about where their futures are. I do enjoy your self-assuredness about all of this though — based on no data and no access. Andersson may turn out to be a marginal player or perhaps more like Vesey than not. That would be disappointing. But we simply cannot know right now what he is floor or ceiling might be. It is idiocy to suggest otherwise, let alone to claim to have done so six months ago…

        It might help if you come to see that other people, especially those that don’t see things your way, know stuff or have a sense of things some of the time too.

        • Dec 19, 2018 at 3:15 pm
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          IMO, trading Hayes is not something that simply just must happen even if the return is mediocre. He’s 26. He’s not a player built on speed. Super soft hands, which isn’t a skill that usually disappears. Great vision. Very high hockey IQ. Uses his body superbly to shield the puck. Has been extremely durable so far in his career. Does not get pushed around (although some fans want to believe that, for some reason). I see no reason whatsoever that he can’t provide this same level of play for at least the next four years – nothing about his game screams “quick decline is imminent” to me.

          I’ve long maintained he is a 60 point player just waiting to happen, and that AV’s system and deployment has been holding him back all along…this year is far from over, but at this clip he will hit 65 points on a roster that still does not actually utilize his play-making to the fullest extent because this roster lacks finishers. The point that is being made about how being the best 5v5 player on the team isn’t that impressive would be true and fair if Hayes’s main talent was to be a sniper. It isn’t. He’s a grade-A playmaker with nobody to truly reliably convert those efforts into goals. Hayes is never gonna be Joe Thornton, but would Joe Thornton have put up some of those monster 90+ point seasons he had with lesser players than Murray/Bergeron Cheechoo/Marleau next to him? Probably not, because Thornton could certainly score some goals…but it wasn’t his forte. Hayes is not Thornton, but point is, line mates are huge for playmakers and can certainly help make or break them.

          Now, if Gorton can get a haul for Hayes – namely a blue chip prospect that has already proven to some degree in minor leagues – then you gotta do what you gotta do. However, Hayes is not some 30 year old undersized winger built on speed who just so happened to double his points production in a contract year. He can absolutely be a key piece of this rebuild, and if the Rangers can acquire some finishing talent to put around him, I think he could easily be a 70+ point power two-way center for a while to come. A lot of Rangers fans have been bemoaning the fact that they haven’t had that type of homegrown center in so long. Now that guy is here and wants to stay…and the take is “Gotta trade him for whatever you can get, because rebuild”? I really don’t get it.

        • Dec 19, 2018 at 4:26 pm
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          In my personal opinion you can ascertain his ceiling. Definitely agree his floor is impossible to gauge so far. And to do so would make you an idiot. The kid couldn’t even make a roster that was 1st short on centers and got beat out by a guy who is no longer in the league. 2nd season he got beat out again by our own prospect and a prospect from tampa bay. This is on a team that is horrible and totally lacking center depth and proven centers. And it happened with 2 different coaches. If you can’t see that picture then I simply can’t help you. Andersson is a chump. He might turn into a great Malholtra, or Dominic Moore….that is where your point about floor is right on. The kid is a journeymen center at best. Matthews in his rookie year was deking 3 or 4 defenders and making them look stupid. I am sure Crosby and Malkin did that same thing. Laine from the moment he came up has been ripping goalies. McDavid a sure bet, but on the oilers he is just average. Mckinnon in his rookie season you could see there was high talent. Chytil ….same thing …howden same thing. Now do these guys end up in a 2C or 1C or 3C role the rest of their careers? Entirely up to them and the team they are on.

          That draft which people on here said was a good one was filled with nobodies and tons of them. Not even the number 1 overall pick is showing any signs of real talent. The devils are lower than us in the division and have less offense than us.

          Anyway his ceiling is very easy to see. Floor …if floor means where he will spend most of his career…yeah not so clear.
          But he may end up not making the cut next year and he goes back to sweden.

        • Dec 19, 2018 at 6:36 pm
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          Well said, all around, and thank you for understanding what I have been trying to say.

          If the rangers’ goal is to stay mediocre, then by all means, sign Hayes. But if the goal is to be a contending team, then the Rangers need to get rid of the dead wood AND also bring in players that at their best are better than our best players now. Because clearly this team as is, is no where close to being a contending team. Even if you put lipstick on the pig.

      • Dec 19, 2018 at 10:26 am
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        Like I said bro, you may be right after all, but that doesn’t make it the correct way to go.

        I would love Tarasenko to play with Hayes, but what would the Rangers give up that the Blues would accept? Because Tarasenko is at a very reasonable $7.5M cap hit. Wish we had the chance to get him. Oh, wait… lol

      • Dec 19, 2018 at 2:24 pm
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        Mintgecko- you need to stop posting man or post solid thoughts and opinions bro, Tony always makes good rational comments regarding this team and from a fans perspective, has a good feel for this team by means of their weakness and strengths, oh yes has inside info from mutual friend of ours who is closely associated with the Rangers and from me who has connections within the NHL. Andersson being pushed out? I think the kid needs some more time and moves will be made and Lias will get a quality chance.

        Tired of people on blogs, “like the know it all- Adam Herman” making comments about the Rangers who they have no clue and think they’re always right while putting down other fans and posters opinions about our favorite hockey team.

    • Dec 19, 2018 at 9:34 pm
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      The Rangers were on the end of their Western road trip when they beat the mighty ducks the last time the teams met. I wonder if Ducks fans are ready to see their team throw in the towel and tank the season.

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 6:43 am
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    The game started with 45 minutes of the most boring Hockey this year, the last 15 was very refreshing. Namestnikov was the best player on the ice last night. 3 points and a fight with Getzlaf. He was playing DQ hockey last night. We need to work on face offs. That was ugly. Georgiev played well last night too. Hayes continues his good play.

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 7:41 am
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    I admittedly don’t understand all the financial caps and nmc’s……but I certainly don’t get this constant drumbeat of getting rid of Hayes…..constant criticism of Staal etc. Sure let’s get rid of Hayes – hey, I got an idea maybe the Lightning can use him? They have all our other rejects (and the best record in hockey).
    Trade # 1 is Zuc…….get something for him now.
    This is the same management that signed Smith and Shattenkirk to pricey contracts.
    We need a #1 D-Man. Leave Hayes be…..

    • Dec 19, 2018 at 9:43 am
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      I know who this poster is but I’ll play along.

      This drumbeat about getting rid of Hayes has been going on since say 1. Imo it revolved around the Stepan fans who were scared to see him get replace by Hayes. Joe M led all the mindless fans towards this route with the lazy narrative. Luckily Vally in the booth would talk about his fundamental plays and skills in all three zones. We’ll never see a winger who can play center like him again for this team, that’s a rare breed for this league. Didn’t we all hope that Brian Boyle could turn out like that during the Torts era? I think it’s the people who weren’t raised on ice skates that hated on him the most. Give him D men that could flip the puck out more often or make outlet passes and he’ll take going full motion on the backhand right before the red line 8/10 times. That’s Johnny hockey style and you can tell that influenced him from his NCAA days. We’re seeing why the Hawks picked him to be the next wave next to P Kane, Teows, Panarin, Saad and Schmaltz. That top 6 would have been dirty, he prob has the most pedigree in terms of former draft picks in this team.

      I been saying this for a minute now. Hayes is here to stay, if someone has to go than it won’t be him. He has Drury, Sather, and Quinn on his side. As Valley and other’s have said on the NHL new channel, him and JG were tight which was what helped led him here in 2014.

      I didn’t jump on the Staal hate bandwagon until 2016. Than I remember ever since I had to watch Skjei play hockey in a Rangers jersey, Staal’s defense wasn’t to shabby.

      • Dec 19, 2018 at 9:49 am
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        Who this poster is? What does that mean? Who are you?

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 8:00 am
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    This take wont be popular but please hear me out. These are the games nyr benefit by trading hayes…. extra points just from a play by hayes late vs a tired team. if you watched the first 50 minutes they had ZERO offense. they need a top of the draft pick, not 7 or 9th in the worst way. that’s referring to our own pick not even considering what he brings back. That’s the only way they’ll get out of this mess and also cure their tix sales issues.

    PS, 1. zuc – a pp specialist right now, if that.
    2. Brett Howden – 1 point less than stepan, 4 whole percentage points better on faceoffs. (Getting out of that contract
    may be gorton’s best move)
    3. Lias – should be on the metronorth today.
    4. Id switch vlad and zucc. the line pre concussion.

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 8:32 am
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    Kevin Hayes is a entertaining player to watch as is the magical Hobbit. When they are on the ice tbey direct the play with their smart creative passes. Trade them both away and you are left with a team that will have a hard time finding its way.

    • Dec 19, 2018 at 8:48 am
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      Hayes on most of the teams in the NHL is a #3 center. Playing good hockey right now so of course he’s gonna want the motherload contract. We don’t really have that $$$ and for some reason when we give these guys nice contracts they disappear! I’m waiting for McLeod to get back in the line up so we can make our Cup run! 🙂

      • Dec 19, 2018 at 9:09 am
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        It’s takes time for players to find chemistry and get use to playing with one another. Names is starting to fit in as we saw last night. Throw out the baby with the bath wash and it will be another decade of suckville for the Rangers.

        • Dec 19, 2018 at 9:33 am
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          I have to say Names has a spark in his ass for sure. Now let’s see if he can keep that level of effort.Granted the Ducks came in 3rd game in 4 nights on the road. It’s not a big test but at least there was an effort by everyone and almost a direction! Hayes is big but plays small that’s what’s missing and he holds the puck way to long,passes when he should shoot and shoots when he should pass …. lol .

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 9:41 am
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    Anyone hear anything about what Jeff G told the season ticket holders yesterday?

    I thought Boo was very good last night, Pionk was bad, give away after give away maybe he needs to hit the press box for a game a 2. Anderson needs to go down now.

    • Dec 19, 2018 at 10:00 am
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      What did JG say?

      Boo has already replaced Lias. I could tell that Quinn liked him from training camp, he would rave about about how he’s a big body who can skate. The reporter who kept on bugging him about Lias not playing as much stirred up the wrong kind of public announcement.

      At the end of the day he doesn’t have those powerful strides like Dustin Brown to offset his skating. If he can’t fix his skating in one summer than I feel that a weight loss progran won’t help him much neither. They compared him to Jesper Fast or as they would say, a Swiss Army knife. Whoever started that theory of him as a 2c or high end 3c was dead wrong.

      • Dec 19, 2018 at 10:41 am
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        Fast has better closing speed on the forecheck. That alone makes the comparison off. (Heck it’s his name)

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 10:13 am
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    All this negativity and desire to get rid of every Ranger player over the age of 25 to then go out and sign UFA’s over 27. Everyone here is for the rebuild but then expect the team to play like SC contenders. Makes a lot of sense.

    • Dec 19, 2018 at 10:32 am
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      I say play the kid goalie and ride him for 20 games and see what he can do ( good or bad ). That’s gonna get lots and lots of thumbs down and chatter … lol

      • Dec 19, 2018 at 12:11 pm
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        Why?

        Georgiev seems like a perfectly cromulent NHL goalkeeper. That being said, he has little to no trade value, like every other NHL goalkeeper. Playing him more isn’t going to accomplish all that much. At this point, all Georgiev is expansion draft fodder for 2021, the Rangers will need to have a goalie on the roster that is draft eligible (your boy Hank is a UFA that summer and will likely have retired from the NHL to play a final season in Sweden).

        If there was something worthwhile to be gained by leaning on Georgiev for a quarter of a season, I’d be all for it.

        • Dec 19, 2018 at 3:37 pm
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          +1 for use of cromulence. You’ve embiggened everyone here today.

      • Dec 19, 2018 at 2:35 pm
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        Believe it or not Sieve I agree Georgi should play with more regularity. I’d like to see Hank finish with about 52 or so games giving Georgi the rest. Makes sense to see what they have as there is no way this is a playoff team.

        • Dec 19, 2018 at 5:34 pm
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          Whatever MC-D
          Sittoo sees the light at the end of the tunnel , so make it a 10 game run

        • Dec 19, 2018 at 6:58 pm
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          That is not what he proposed! Take another read.

    • Dec 19, 2018 at 10:52 am
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      This is not a sounding board for sensible moves, it is all about armchair GMing. We are doomed I tell you.

    • Dec 19, 2018 at 6:16 pm
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      So let me get this straight, so I’m clear, we should keep Hayes because he’s younger than Panarin, even though Panarin is an infinitely better player, and will be for the next 5 years?

      Is that what you are saying?

      As for negativity, there’s a difference between negativity and reality. If you pay for gloves that do not have 5 full fingers on each glove, are you to shrug and say, “hey, but at least I have the other 4 fingers on each so I’ll keep them?” Or are you going to bring them back and either get a full set of gloves or your money back?

      The players are getting paid (a lot) and are accountable to give full effort all the time. Whether they win games or not is a different story and not relevant for this particular point. If you can tell me that they have played with full effort for the past month, and say it in all sincerity, then I will shut up and stop posting here.

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 10:42 am
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    The more I watch Hayes, the more I think we need to find a way to write a 4 year contract at $5.7M per year. I fear that if we go longer we will outlive his value. Not sure if Tarasenko if even available, but we should try to make a deal for him. We should look to compete late next year, with the kids playing a more major role.

    If Gorton looks at his defense, he must know he needs an upgrade there. Pionk, TonyD and (maybe) Libor can be there next year, but we know Staal will also be around. That means questions around Smith, Skjei and Shatty need to be answered. Include them in a deal and make our team desirable once again to elite players.

    Would the Blues take Krieder, Lettieri and a 2nd round pick for Tarasenko? I doubt it, but ask. Maybe we sell high on Namesnikov to a playoff bound team. I just know that adding Kravsov to this team still leaves us in 10th place in the division. I doubt Gorton does not want to be more competitive next year.

    • Dec 19, 2018 at 11:40 am
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      I don’t think there’s any way Hayes signs for less than 5 years/$32.5 million. This is his big payday coming up, he’s proven himself to be shrewd & stubborn in the past, that’s unlikely to change. All he’s gotta do is look at his brother to see the fleeting nature of NHL success.

      If they could get him for Zib money/term I’d say keep him. Barring injury for Hayes I don’t see how that’s gonna happen—and the Rangers have the Stepan contract as a warning sign in terms of what wishful thinking, an impending no-movement clause, and an agent’s sales pitch can do to create a bad deal for both team and player.

      • Dec 19, 2018 at 1:18 pm
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        Stepan was showing signs of declining, Hayes is doing the opposite. He’s younger, stronger and a better skater. He’s developed over the course of the last 2 years so that he can play the exact same role as Stepan, only better — oh and don’t even mention Hayes’ brother in the same paragraph as Kevin, he’s by far the superior hockey player … no contest, or as the resident lawyers here like Peter might say, nolo contendere. 🙂

        If they can do 5 years at 6.25M per, just do it. The key in the negotiation isn’t so much the money, it’s the NMC that Hayes will insist on — if it’s reasonable, fine … but if it’s a virtually full NTC/NMC then they have to seriously consider reducing the money under 6m.

        What I never see in any discussion about these players everyone wants to trade is what their role in the lockerroom dynamic is. There’s a lot to be said about guys like Kreider, Hayes, Mika, Fast, Zucc, Hank and even a guy like Staal. They are respected, they are leaders and they are friends — let them perform the role for which they’ve been groomed all these years for. They were developed to not only be good players, but good people and good leaders. That isn’t to say they should never be traded, but that aspect of any player has to be considered.

        • Dec 19, 2018 at 3:03 pm
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          Wow, a lot of strange here from you Tanto, so I’m gonna address it one by one.

          In mentioning Jimmy Hayes, it was as a cautionary tale for Kevin that he’s no doubt assimilated: Jimmy went from being a 19-goal scorer with a decent future in Florida to being out of the NHL inside of three years. So what I meant by mentioning Jimmy Hayes is that his brother Kevin Hayes is no fool, has proven to be a stubborn negotiator in the past, and he is going to get well paid as a free agent because who knows what tomorrow will bring to anyone’s life?

          As far as Stepan declining when he signed his contract with the Rangers: that’s a ludicrous statement. Step was 25 when he signed his 6-year deal with NYR (not 27 like Hayes will be if he signs), and Stepan certainly wasn’t on the decline when he signed his deal. His next 2 Ranger seasons matched his point totals pretty much exactly—55 pts in contract year 14-15, followed by 53 in 15-16, and 55 in 16-17. And in Arizona in his first year Stepan had 56 points. This season is the first year that anyone could rationally argue that Stepan is declining, and there’s still 50 games left this year. Ignoring or minimizing Stepan’s consistency is what most Ranger fans did with him.

          • Dec 19, 2018 at 7:30 pm
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            Very simply, the Rangers did not want to stay married to Stepan once the NMC kicked in, at $6.5M per, which is another admission that they gave out the wrong contract, even if it was not egregious in this particular case.

            NHL teams are riddled with reasons why new CBAs have cap relief provisions and compliance buy-outs in them.

            • Dec 19, 2018 at 7:42 pm
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              If Step could skate it would have been probably good to keep him around. Oh wait he was horrible on Faceoffs as well. Decent #1 center. Zib pretty much filled the spot. Is better with the puck, has a way better shot but in the end is a little short on a true #1 center! Hayes has shown some good games but some nights seems like he could care less. Great 3rd line center looking for 2nd line $$$’s but falls short even though he’s 6’ 5” !!!

              • Dec 19, 2018 at 7:47 pm
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                Stepan is what he is. A 2 way center that gets 50-60 pts. And the Rangers decided that he wasn’t worth the $6.5M per.

                Isn’t Hayes in the same category as Stepan? I think it’s close. If the Rangers somehow clear $25M in cap space, and it can be done if they really try hard, then bring on Hayes, Panarin, and Stone. I would be all for it.

          • Dec 19, 2018 at 10:15 pm
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            After some flash Jimmy faded fast fast fast. Kevin on the other hand has just improved every year after his 2nd (and I still believe part of his issue was in part the loss of Hagelin).

            Re: Stepan, he was my favorite Ranger, so I hold no bias … but he had plateaued and looked increasingly labored. Regardless I wasn’t pointing to the time when they signed Stepan, I’m pointing to when they traded him — a move I understood intellectually, not emotionally. On the other hand, I don’t think we’ve seen the best from Hayes. Of course this is just an opinion, an opinion that may be shared by management and others here.

            • Dec 19, 2018 at 10:35 pm
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              I strongly disagree on your assessment of Hayes—I think he peaks this year around 55 points, and NYR won’t make the playoffs in what looks to be his career offensive year. Got to get what you can for a good asset before getting locked into another bad contract with some form of NMC.

              Also would like to remind you and other defenders of him that Hayes has 3 points in his last 18 playoff games.

              • Dec 20, 2018 at 11:20 am
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                I have only seen improvement from him and can find no reason to assume that he will decline in the near future. Again, I’m not concerned about the money (whether it’s 5.75 or 6.25, etc.), I’m concerned about the NTC/NMC. If reasonable, then I sign him … if it’s a straight jacket then I sell high on him.

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 4:20 pm
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    Stepan was not a “tough” player and neither is Hayes. I feel Hayes makes the players around him better than Stepan did.
    Either way, it is the NMC that will dictate whether Hayes stays or goes.

    • Dec 19, 2018 at 4:35 pm
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      At this point the best thing you can say about Kevin Hayes is that he’s having a good year on a bad team. Stepan was the #1 center for a team that made the Cup Finals, beat Crosby and Ovechkin numerous times in the playoffs, and was a consistent if unspectacular player for the Rangers. Not to mention Stepan scored a game 7 overtime goal too.

      Once Hayes breaks 57 points in a season for the Rangers in a year where he’s the full-on #1 center, on a team that makes the playoffs, and actually plays well in the playoffs himself (2 goals/8 assists in 34 career playoff games isn’t exactly getting it done in crunch time), then perhaps you’ll have a case that Hayes is the better player.

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 4:21 pm
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    Does anyone know why Krastov has not been in the lineup lately? Is it related to that injury a couple of weeks back or is he with a U20 team?

    • Dec 20, 2018 at 11:30 am
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      He’s with the WJ team … scored a goal the other day in an exhibition game against Sweden as a matter of fact.

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 4:57 pm
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    I really never have understood why everyone hates stepan? He is no crosby, but he certainly could shut down crosby and did so numerous times in the playoffs. Where does the hate come from honestly? He got a salary that was consistent with the market at the time for his level of point production. The only part of his contract was the NMC and I agree it was stupid to put that in there. But the flat out hate for him on here? Makes no sense. And he is declining or was declining? Pure idiocy. He has consistently put up 55 points his whole career. Nothing more nothing less. And if you offered me Stepan for Andersson right now as a swap I would take that trade and laugh my way to the playoffs.

    Trading Hayes…it really is a tough spot. As I like to say he is a poor man’s Zettenberg. No crazy speed but great hands and really no shot to speak of. Is he capable of opening up ice for his linemates without a doubt. Is he good on faceoffs? Not so much. Can he play a shutdown role well? Maybe cause it has yet to be tested in a playoff series. He does have great IQ and decent passing ability, but compare him to Zuc in passing and I give the old Zuc way more credit. Today’s Zuc not so much…Hayes is the better passer.

    The down side of Hayes is what he is going to accept contract wise. For around 6 million and say 5 or 6 years I say hell no ….trade him right now. But for 4 or 5 Million for 4 years I would keep him in a heartbeat. But he just took a 5.7 million contract for 1 year as a prove me move by Gorton. And sorry to say he is proving himself. I really didn’t think he would do it because of the talent around him. But he is pulling it off. So I believe Gorton will keep him and give him that multi year 6 million a year contract. And in 3 years you all will be complaining about him and his contract.

    Hence where I consistently try to explain humbly why I think this management team is horrible and needs to be replaced.

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 5:25 pm
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    Awesome 3 period, Names was super, hayes also. If we truly rebuilding they have to lessen the load on Hank its time.
    A Hayes signing next year would be a mistake ala Stall.

  • Dec 19, 2018 at 10:29 pm
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    1. Hayes is a good hockey player.
    2. We need defensemen.
    3. We need good defensemen.
    4. Our defensemen suck.
    5. A good right-handed defenseman that doesn’t suck, would be nice.

    Until we fix numbers 2 thru 5, signing Hayes, Panarin, Or whomever wont mean $hit.

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