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Some weekend thoughts and August blog plans

August 4, 2018, by

kevin hayes

The Rangers are likely done making moves this summer, which means we are in the dog days and there isn’t going to be new stuff to analyze and write about. Luckily we have a good group of writers here, and the content will keep coming. It’s been close to 10 years here after all, and we’ve never disappeared in August. So here’s what’s on the docket until summer is over.

1. Pat is going to continue with his David Quinn video breakdowns. They are great posts, and he’s really putting in a ton of effort on them. I love the posts. So that will continue. When the Blueshirts start playing actual games under Quinn, I’ll be looking into how it ties to NHL systems.

2. To continue with tradition, expect the Top 25 Under 25 to come out in August. It’s one of my favorite summer pieces to do. With all the top picks we’ve had lately, I’m expecting a big change in this year’s rankings.

3. To celebrate the run we had from 2012-2017, I’m thinking of putting together a site “tournament” to vote on the best play from those years. If you have any suggestions, put them in the comments. Things like Hank’s windmill save, the many OT winners, Dom Moore’s goal against Montreal, Chris Kreider’s goal against Washington in Game 5 in 2015. Things like that.

4. Off of the summer plans here, and on to Rangers stuff. I’m intrigued to see what the next two years bring for the Rangers. Based off contract expiry dates, it’s clear the front office pictures that as the next time to load up and begin their quest for a Cup. That means the next two years could be a little rough to watch. That means full steam ahead on the rebuild though. That’s good. They aren’t going with half measures, something we feared.

5. I think Chris Kreider is the next captain. I’ve been vocal about this. I don’t think it will be this year (3 A’s, probably), but he’s the link from the 2012 Rangers to the next group of Rangers. He’s the only link in the long-term plans as well, since I’m of the belief that Mats Zuccarello will be traded (ugh).

6. I love the commitment to Brady Skjei. He’s going to be the rock on the blue line that helps the newer guys transition. He’s also the only blue liner signed beyond 2020-2021 as well. The team will belong to him, Kreider, and Mika Zibanejad (and Pavel Buchnevich) as the “old guard” during the next transition.

7. Don’t sleep on San Jose and Kevin Hayes. They need another center, missed out on John Tavares, and are also in a win-now scenario. They can’t fit the full $5 million under the ceiling, but a retained salary transaction works here for both teams. I’m intrigued to see what happens with Hayes.

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42 comments

  1. DaRev says:

    I do think Kreider will the next Captain. He speaks Russian so will be able to foster the youth, and came back from that health scare with a real consistent vigor I do not think we have seen in him before.

    This season I see 3A’s, and hope Lunquist gets an honorary C.

  2. Spozo says:

    I still say Lias Anderson is the captain in 3 years!

    • agentsmith says:

      can I we first see if he is an NHL payer, first?

      • Township Rebellion says:

        Seriously right? I’m still miffed we didn’t take midflestadt tippet or vilardi

    • Richter1994 says:

      The Rangers totally believe that Andersson is C material, so it’s not so far fetched.

      They also believe that about Howden too, who is a little more tenacious and physical than Andersson.

      • Township Rebellion says:

        I’m really pulling for Howden

        • Richter1994 says:

          Yes, me too. Needs some play in Hartford but will probably be a call up when Hayes gets traded.

          Very excited about him, Hajek, and Lindgren.

    • Richter1994 says:

      Thanks David, look forward to those pieces. And agreed, Pat has done a fantastic job breaking Quinn’s system down for us. Terrific posts.

      Being (basically) a season ticket holder, I’ve gotten to see great playoff moments over the past 5 years or so, in no particular order:

      1) The Henrik save. It was at my end of the ice, and it was one of those “what did I just see?” type of sports play. It was not until after we saw the replay on the big board, that we realized how great that save was.

      2) The MSL OT goal. I’ve been attending Ranger games since 1995 (yep, missed it by one season, lol) and there are 2 moments when I thought that the MSG roof was going to come off due to the fans explosive cheers: The first year the Rangers made the playoffs after the “dark years” (the Garden was actually vibrating from the roar of the crowd and we could not hear John Amirante sing the National Anthem) and MSL’s OT goal against the Habs, where the crowd absolutely exploded, the loudest single roar I ever heard from the MSG crowd. I am getting chills just typing this.

      3) The Stepan OT goal vs. the Caps.

      4) The Kreider goal vs. the Caps that saved that series. Down 3-1 in games and down by one goal late in the possible elimination game, Kreider literally flings a shot at the next that Holtby doesn’t see and ties it, a totally unlikely outcome. Rangers go on to win that series.

      • Richter1994 says:

        oops, meant for this to be it’s own post, lol.

      • Township Rebellion says:

        What about the Brad Richards goal? I was at that game ….I was in the middle of the row and ended up in the aisle from all the jumping around

        • Richter1994 says:

          Yep, that is another one for sure.

          • Township Rebellion says:

            That was total insanity when Richards scored….Beer everywhere and I was jumping at least 10 ft off the ground…2nd row from the top section 212

    • Township Rebellion says:

      I just hope he is more than a bottom 9 forward for us

  3. Johnny Red says:

    I don’t understand how people can say Kreider is captain material, based on what? Having all the talent in the world and not using it on a steady basis. Having the nerve to play like crap in last year’s playoffs until game 6 against Ottawa. Where was that before game 6? For me a player like him needs to be traded while he still has some good value. With all my heart I HOPE I’M WRONG! but based on his history he will play when he feels like and have fans wondering why once again he can’t seem to play to his talent year after year. That my friends IS NOT CAPTAIN MATERIAL! ZUCC should be the next captain!

    • Mintgecko says:

      only eclipsed the 25 goal mark once and 50 point mark once as a career high of 52 points. Yeah he still needs to figure it out and if people are cool with his game than I rest my case on why he should never be given captain. I would throw up if Buch’ s future is a bunch of 45-49 point seasons with 21 goals. I mean look at what Mark Stone has done for Ottawa in the recent years. You can’t tell me that Kreids does the little stuff that makes up for being a power forward.

      I thought it’s been painfully obvious when Nash would hype up Hayes and JT in the last two summers as leaders. During pre season, the new vets were getting asked who seemed to be the leaders in the room and on the ice. They all said Hayes and JT names but even if it doesn’t matter it seemed like Kreider had limited credibility. Cally was a Drury twin in effort and two way style. McD seemed like that as well for the blue line.

    • Township Rebellion says:

      Kreider overthinks everything he does to the enth degree….you cannot give him the responsibility of the Captaincy.

  4. wwpd says:

    Mike Rupp beats Bob twice in two-goal 2012 winter classic comeback vs flyers + jagr salute.

    It may not win your tournament vs some of the great playoff GWGs but boy was that a fun game.

  5. Mintgecko says:

    #3- Hayes OT goal was iconic vs Pittsburgh. I felt like that was a sign to come in that post season. The year before they beat them off a sad time from MSL life but the year after that was all business.

    #5- Kreider isn’t fit for the captain, doesn’t deserve it and I personally don’t think that he will get it. I feel alot of beat writers are pushing for it because he has a sad story attached to his timeline but that doesn’t warrant to rock the “C” unless he’s some vocal leader off the ice.

    #6- I wouldn’t add Kreider to that list, his time is up in 2020. I think people forgot how they wanted to trade him last year and generally those feelings don’t just go away. I think alot of fans put their heads down in the sand when it comes to his future with the team.

    #7- Yeah San Jose would be smart to make a pitch to get Hayes. That goes for 3-4 other contenders that he would fit on he top 6 with like Dallas. I can still see him playing beyond well under Quinn and get added to be apart of the NYR future past 2020 until he’s 30-32 years old. There’s alot of varibles that could make that happen as well.

  6. Mintgecko says:

    It looks like William Karlsson is in the same prove type of contact as Hayes. He just signed a 5.2 million dollar deal. Both will be scoring 25-30 goals and resign by February.

  7. Richter1994 says:

    My predictions for this year:

    Hayes gets traded the first opportunity that the Rangers can get a good return for him.

    Zuc and Spooner are trade deadline casualties. Zuc possibly re-signs after the season.

    Chytil, Andersson, and one of Meskanen or Lindqvist make the team out of camp.

    Hajek, Howden, and the other of Meskanen or Lindqvist start in Hartford and are call ups during the year, probably after the Ranger trade deadline vet purge.

    No Captain, but Zuc, Staal, Kreider, and Shatty have “A”s and take turns having it on their sweater, or 3 per game. After Zuc gets traded, Skjei gets an “A.”

    Vesey becomes a 20+ goal scorer.

    The Kreider-Zib-Buch line becomes a true #1 line.

    Smith bounces back from last year’s nightmare and becomes a trade chip.

    Pionk (I like saying PEE-ONK, lol) becomes a solid 2nd/3rd pair D man.

    Rangers are a middle of the NHL pack team, but do not make the playoffs. They lose a lot of one goal games that could have gone either way. But max effort is given just about every night.

    Quinn is the right coach at the right time for the Rangers.

    Panarin signs a mega deal in the 2019 offseason and Rangers acquire a quality D man with the idea of playoffs in 2020.

    • EmiletheCat says:

      If Vesey gets a decent share of power play minutes he will easily, IMO, get 20 plus goals this year. I’m predicting 24 for Jimmy.

      • Township Rebellion says:

        From your keyboard to the hockey Gods eyes

      • Richter1994 says:

        I think Jimmy will because they like his game close to the net. He gets what most Rangers don’t: garbage goals.

    • Agentsmith says:

      This whole idea of trading zuc…. Then bringing back?

      At the same time you want to get kravtsov and buch top minutes? Can’t have it both ways. No he won’t be taking 3m either.

      Jeez fans have real trouble letting go.

      • Township Rebellion says:

        I am for trading Zuc and never bringing him back….time to let go …time to build a hockey team ….trade Hayes too and free up cap ….if we can land Seguin or Breadman and get Trouba that would be awesome

      • Richter1994 says:

        Zuc left $3-4M on the table for the life of his 4 year contract to sign here. He could have gotten over $5M per, easily. He wanted to play here, end of story, and even told his agent to cut the best deal he could with the Rangers.

        He could easily come back for $3M per and play 3rd line. Why not?

  8. Jerry says:

    Thanks Dave.

    I’ll disagree on Kreider being the next captain. From my perspective my definition of a Captain, is one who MUST lead by example. I do not necessarily think the a captain must be the most skilled player on the team. However, what he must possess is leadership skills on and off the ice. Kreider lacks the consistency to lead by example.
    With a new head coach, that may change. Quinn might be able to ‘coach’ Kreider to the player I personally feel he can be. And that player is a true power forward, that comes to play every game.
    Kreider must not be afraid to take a penalty, as it seems he was under AV after the Price incident. He needs to play hard every game.

    I feel the Rangers should go with three alternate captains next season. Let the leadership qualities on this team manifest itself. Let the leaders come to the surface naturally instead of the “C” being thrust upon a player, like it took place with McD, a player who is extremely talented, but who was not captain material.

    Let Quinn as the head coach, see who is not only worthy of wearing the “C”, but in wearing that letter is more than just a figurehead. That might take a season as he’ is not equally familiar will all of his players. Let Quinn as the head coach not only take care of the X’s and O’s, the offensive and defensive schemes, the adjustments needed against individual opponents, let Quinn take care of the leadership structure of the new Rangers. And in my humble opinion that will take a season.

    LGR.

  9. craig says:

    The reality is, the Rangers have not had any strong leadership personality that could be classified as a very good captain. Actually, unfortunately, they haven’t had a real one in the last few years or maybe even since Mark Messiar or even a Ryan Callahan or Chris Drury type of player. Maybe the closest candidate right now (if they have to have one), would be Zucc., because of his heart and aggressive play.

    • agentsmith says:

      my view is way different. look at all the captains of the top teams … elite skill… I don’t think were there yet. Kreider the best we got tho rn. (OK teows… can lias andersson become follow that mold … good luck there kid)

  10. Township Rebellion says:

    Im not sure what San Jose has that we want for Hayes….I think JG should keep pounding the pavement on Trouba with Hayes

  11. Township Rebellion says:

    Im not sure what San Jose has that we want for Hayes….I think JG should keep pounding the pavement for Trouba

    • Richter1994 says:

      Hayes and what for Trouba?

      • Township Rebellion says:

        I would offer Hayes…Lias…Day/TD/Smith maybe a 1st…4 pieces ….Winnipeg is really gonna be up against the cap next year….Laine gets a new contract and he makes 925k now….Next year at least 10 million….then I would sign Trouba to a 7/49 without blinking…I think Chevy has to come down on the price because no way Trouba is staying there long term…He has to trade him and they need another Center

      • Township Rebellion says:

        I replied to you with my offer but it disappeared….Im waiting to see if it reappears

      • Township Rebellion says:

        I guess it didnt come back lol….I said Hayes, Lias one of TD/Day/Smith and maybe a 1st? 3 to 4 pieces….Winnipeg is going to be in cap chaos next year when they have to pay Laine 10 mil….Maybe Chevys price comes down since he has to trade Trouba now…no way hes staying long term

        • Township Rebellion says:

          And if Winnipeg is making a run again…I would give them Zuc too if the Jets could afford it cap wise….and I would then sign Trouba to a 7/49 without blinking

          • Richter1994 says:

            Hayes, Andersson, a D man, and a first? wow, that’s a lot lol.

            Hayes and a #1 is what I would offer, and maybe have to throw in a prospect.

            • Township Rebellion says:

              Yeah I agree…I would start with Hayes but I would settle with something like that above

  12. Township Rebellion says:

    Sorry for the double post…the 1st one disappeared on me so I typed a new one