Let’s Take a Dump, Together

So UFA Day has come and gone, with the dust settling not only on the Tavares bombshell decision to go to the Leafs but also the various other smaller names. Teams are starting to get an idea of what their rosters are going to look like, or at the very least what they want their rosters to look like. This last bit is crucial for Jeff Gorton, who, having already made the deft move of doing nothing in the UFA market, could really add some extra umph to his Rangers renovation project by taking on a bad contract or two in exchange for further prospects and picks. It’s time to take a dump, in other words.

There’s a few options for whose bad salary cap hit we could take on for the low low price of a nice draft pick or a top prospect, and there’s certainly teams who would be willing to oblige for variety of reasons. Let’s start with the most obvious candidate looking to move something bad in exchange for something good: the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Given that they just uh, got a big contract on their books (or something like that, I haven’t heard much about it), and given that they’ve got some star youngsters they’re going to need the room to re-sign in the coming years, they’re surely itching to dump some salary. Indeed, according to Larry Brooks, Matt Martin is garnering interest; a move for Martin would fit Gorton’s professed desire for some glue guys, while also serving the more pressing end of picking up some assets from a team flush with them.

Martin’s contract expires in 2020-2021, a year after Matthews and Marner his RFA status, so it’s fairly incumbent on the Leafs to get rid of Martin’s contract in order to give themselves a little bit of extra wiggle room in the matter. Two prospects I’d be asking for in exchange for Martin would be Dmytro Timashov or Jeremy Bracco. The Rangers could use some more prospects on wing, especially since they took a million defenseman at the most recent draft.

Timashov is 21 years old and had 34 points in 62 regular season games for a stacked, Calder Cup winning Toronto Marlies, as well as 12 points in 20 playoff games. Bracco, for his part, had 32 points in 52 regular season games, also with the Marlies, but only notched 1 point in 4 playoff games with them. Both players fit a need that the Rangers have: a skilled, point-producing top-6 winger. Gorton could even make a push for both of them by taking on a contract like Ron Hainsey’s $3 million AAV, one year contract as well in order to offer further relief for Matthews/Marner’s next deals, as well as Nylander’s future contract (he’s an RFA in 2018-19 aka right now).

The Leafs pipe dream is to move Nikita Zaitsev’s deal that runs through 2024-25 for a $4.5 million cap hit, but I’d stay far away from that. Lou’s only major signing of his time with the Leafs is going to be anathema to a rebuilding team, and Gorton shouldn’t touch that with a 1000000-foot pole.

Another maple-flavored contract I’d be looking to take on would be the Calgary Flames’ Troy Brouwer deal, which is $4.5 million lasting through 2021. From them I’d want Oliver Kylington – he’d bolster the Rangers’ defensive project quite well, having posted 35 points in 62 games (!) for the Flames’ AHL affiliate, the Stockton Heat. With Kylington our blueline would be stacked, adding another smooth-skating defenseman with excellent vision and playmaking ability, adding to the ranks of Brady Skjei, K’Andre Miller, Nils Lundkvist, and so on and so forth. That’s be some top four from 2022 onward, if not earlier than that.

The big one of course is the Milan Lucic deal, but that could be quite tricky for the Rangers to handle. The bruising power forward is playing on a $6 million contract that expires at the end of the 2022-2023 season, so if Gorton takes it on look for him to flip it with salary retained at some point in the future. Even that would hamper the Rangers’ rebuild, given that we’re still going to have Girardi’s buyout cap penalty of $1.11 million on the books through 2022-2023 as well. It’d be a suboptimal scenario for sure, but the bonus there would be you could likely land Kailer Yamamoto and/or Jesse Puljujarvi, in addition to a high draft pick (the Oilers are going to be bad for a while, hate to break it to you). Still, a trade for Lucic would be my least favorite cap dump to take on – it’s simply unwieldy.

The last big one would be a game changer, but probably the worst contract in the Nation Hockey League. Yes, I’m talking about Bobby Ryan. His $7.25 million dollar contract would expire at the end of 2022-2023 as well (big year, I suppose) but we all know who would be coming along with it: Erik Karlsson. Now, a few caveats. This would probably be a more even deal than we’d like to think, because even taking on that atrocious contract (Ryan had just 33 points in 62 games last season, a point just around Jimmy Vesey’s 28 in 79 or roughly matched by Jesper Fast’s 33 points in 71 games) we’d be giving up significant assets to nab the best defenseman of the last decade.

The silver lining is that Karlsson is looking for a Drew Doughty deal – a 7 year $11 million deal. That’s highway robbery considering that Karlsson is miles ahead of Doughty, despite what the guys on the NHL network are saying right now, as I write this (literally, they’re talking about how Karlsson is not quite as good as Doughty). Just to repeat, this would be a game changer on several levels: significant assets given up to take on the best defenseman in the world, but also the worst contract in the NHL. I’m not sure entirely what I make of all that, so I’ll let you make up your minds on your own. All I’ll say is this: it’d be Cool As Hell, even if it’s imprudent.

So there you have it, a bunch of salary dumps we could take on and what we’d potentially be looking at in return. Obviously there’s a lot of moving parts, and it takes two to tango, so there’s always the chance that we get taken for a ride and not the other way around. Still, the Rangers are flush with cap space right now – it’d be stupid for Gorton and co. not to use it as an asset to pick up some more prospects and picks. Have at it everyone – I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts on everything. Since I won’t be writing for tomorrow also, Happy Fourth of July (really we should be celebrating Constitution Day in September, but that’s a nerdy political science gripe I have from my college days, and I won’t say no to a chance to celebrate in early July in any event). Have fun, be safe, and enjoy your day.

110 thoughts on “Let’s Take a Dump, Together

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 9:19 am

    Very much to my surprise, and this has Dolan’s prints all over it, the Rangers are VERY MUCH in the Karlsson running. Even willing to take back Ryan, in exchange for giving up a lesser amount back in trade for the 2.

    Sens are bankrupt as they just got a huge loan for cash flow purposes. They need new ownership badly, so cutting costs is a priority. They are not winning, even with Karlsson on the team, so why pay him and Ryan?

    Vegas is the front runner here as they have the cap space and assets to get a deal done. But the Rangers have been struggling to sell tickets and the acquisition of Karlsson, even at the expense of taking Ryan, is something that is absolutely Dolan-led.

    Chevy in Winny is a very tough GM to deal with so getting Trouba is a long shot. Karlsson is dictating where he wants to go and he’s made it no secret that he wants to play with his best friend, Henrik.

    Pass the popcorn please…

    P.S. I’m the MESSENGER, lol.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 9:30 am

      Even if its not for Trouba I think the Rangers should talk to Winnipeg about possibly acquiring one of the centers. They have a lot of good prospects in there system that could be of interest.

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 9:48 am

        The Rangers need to fix their D.

        I would seek to acquire Stralman and then sign De Haan, problem solved.

        See the problem here is that the Rangers are really having a tough time selling tickets, for the first time in a long time.

        Gorton does not want Karlsson, let’s make that clear. It goes against what he is trying to do here. But Dolan is the boss, and if the boss wants Gorton to get Karlsson then guess what is going to happen?

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:28 am

          Guess people not liking this either, lol.

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:34 am

            Just heard, Rangers out on Karlsson, so you all can rest easy, lol.

            • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:38 am

              Honestly never thought they were interested, I even doubt Dolan was — but sure, you kick the tires on this type of stuff to see if there’s a “steal” to be had.

              • Jul 3, 2018 at 11:00 am

                No, the Rangers were very much in it regardless of what Brooks and Carp said.

                But this is not the direction that Gorton is going in so cooler heads must have prevailed.

                Trade for Stralman and sign De Haan.

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:34 pm

            The truth is like poetry.

            Ranger fans hate poetry.

            • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:40 pm

              I try my friend.

              Admittedly it does sound “made up” but the fact of the matter is that this stuff changes rapidly.

              Thank God that, ultimately or at least for now, cooler heads prevailed on the Karlsson thing. And now Martin is in Long Island again, so now that’s out too.

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 11:42 am

          They do, but my example of Winnipeg is they have to be desperate for a center since they missed out of Stastny. Maybe consider trading Hayes or Zibenijad there. They have some prospects like Logan Stanley of defense or Brendan Lemiuex at forward that could be of interest.

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:08 pm

            Logan Stanley is a pylon to end all pylons, Lemieux is a replacement level player at best.

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:38 pm

            They’ll just plug Mason Appleton in and have him as the 4C.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:29 am

      Nah all leads as of today point to the Rangers not being in on the Karlsson sweepstakes. It’s a no brainer for Dolan wanting a new shiny toy to present on the Garden ice for fans to rave about but I think the very most that they do is wait for him to become available next summer. Hank could be in his ear telling him that the term, the money and the city is waiting for you. I could see Dolan saying screw it and putting more pressure on JG to press Quinn to at least make the playoffs in any fashion possible. We’ll see what’s up soon enough but just like the at the draft, I suspect the Rangers to be more in the passenger seat. Karlsson might salvage the idea of telling every team to screw off if the NYR don’t come calling in so that Ottawa takes a hit or makes a poor trade. I could see him toughing it out until the trade deadline but than again LV has the moving parts to outbid JG if Karlsson wants out now.

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:35 am

        see my latest post, just told they’re out.

        Reasonable thinking took over, thank God.

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:44 am


          • Jul 3, 2018 at 11:01 am

            To be honest, I was sweating it too.

            EK $11M per plus even half of Ryan’s cap hit would have been brutal.

            • Jul 3, 2018 at 11:41 am

              The only way this doesn’t work is to be anything less than fully committed to the rebuild. Any half measures and we turn into the Knicks.

              • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:42 pm

                Thank God Dolan doesn’t care about the Rangers like he does the Knicks. Thank God.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:37 am

      Interesting, because all other Rangers sources say they are out on Karlsson and sticking to their rebuild.

      I know this is not a popular opinion around the Rangers blogosphere, but if you have a chance at an elite player, you jump at it. As many multi-year ‘rebuilds’ show (Arizona, Buffalo, Toronto, Edmonton) it is not a cure-all.

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:42 am

        Elite players don’t equate to SCs. I’m more interested in them focusing on building an elite team (concept).

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:48 am

          That’s a nice idea, however it is a false narrative. The only team that won a Stanley Cup in the last 15 years with a ‘team’ concept without an elite top of the draft talent is 2010-11. Every other team had a (usually top of the draft) superstar.

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:57 am

            ’04 Tampa (M. St. Louis, MVP)
            ’06 Carolina (E. Staal, 2nd overall)
            ’07 Anaheim (Selanne, (Pronger, Niedermayer))
            ’08 Detroit (Datsyuk, Zetterberg)
            ’09, ’16, ’17 Penguins (Crosby, Malkin)
            ’10, ’13, ’15 Blackhawks (Kane, Toews)
            ’14 Kings (Doughty, Kopitar)
            ’18 Caps (Ovechkin, Backstrom)
            ’11 Bruins – the only one that fits

            • Jul 3, 2018 at 12:24 pm

              St. Louis was undrafted, but I get what you are saying. The Rangers do lack that elite player that championship teams have. However they got those players by being terrible for years. I don’t see the Rangers wanting to go that route.

              • Jul 3, 2018 at 4:30 pm

                And this is what I’ve been trying to say on these boards for half a year. It’s one of three
                1. Suck for years
                2. Get lucky and out-tank Montreal, Ottawa and Islanders for Hughes
                3. Trade for your superstar

                I think 3 is most likely, even if it’s not this year

            • Jul 3, 2018 at 7:03 pm

              Tampa lineup sported #1 overall pick Lecavalier

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 11:03 am

        They are out now, but were not up until this morning, regardless of what the “Ranger sources” said.

        I pass it along as I get it. Take from it what you will. This stuff changes every day.

        It’s for discussion purposes.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:56 am

      I think you have to play the short game when taking a dump.

      I like Martin A LOT – two years left, negligible salary, reasonable cap hit, and a game that will add value to the Rangers on the ice. Not to mention he surely has a chip on his soldier and something to prove.

      Beyond that – forgettaboutit!!! The rest is a bunch of poop and will alter the course of our re-whatever strategy.

      Lucic – seriously? Another time, another place perhaps.
      Bobby Ryan – no thanks – we have Jesper
      Troy Brouwer – he of the 6 goals and 22 points at $4.5M – uh – no….

      The name of the salary cap game is flexibility – why would we want to take on a large salary into 2021 – 2022 just because we can? What happens in two or three years when our boys are coming of back to back Cup runs and we need that money to put us over the top?

      I would much rather be a little conservative and take a player with a reasonable contract who can fill a need for the team (see Matt Martin) rather than taking on someone else’s contract baggage.

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 11:04 am

        I’m ok with Martin but what is coming back along with him? That’s the key.

        If it’s a 3rd round pick then don’t bother IMO. It has to be something useful.

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 12:13 pm

          I hear you – the problem now is Martin is supposedly “in demand” which will drive down the value of the deal.

          We shall see – he could be a useful piece

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:43 pm

            Martin with the Isles, so Tavares and Adams (?) for Komorov and Martin.

            Yeah, that will work.

            • Jul 3, 2018 at 4:11 pm

              It’s not like it was a trade….lol….you can’t compare it like that.

              Islanders will be a good team soon and great a couple of years from now.

              Losing Tavares means nothing…they almost never made the playoffs with him

              2 years and Toronto will slide losing players left and right

              • Jul 3, 2018 at 4:13 pm


        • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:11 pm

          Nothing is coming back with Martin, you’ll have to give to get.

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:17 pm

            Isles have something back, but that was a “thanks for playing” prize

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 12:54 pm

        Should have given the money and term that Rousell wanted. That will be closer to what Lias can be imo but I know that’s a bad narrative to place on a 1st rounder but 4th truth will come to light soon enough. Besides that the guy could have helped out the PK and put up 30 something points as a bottom 6 role player who won’t see any PP minutes. He’s Dorsett on roids basically but bad move on JG’ s part to pass on that. Nobody in this system will have that kind of engine with a mix of decent skills. Kreider doesn’t certainly have that edge as a ” power forward “. People like Martin and Reaves aren’t worth more than a year or a draft pick to obtain them.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:14 pm


      If Dolan has his fingers in this pie, it proves without a doubt that he’s a moron. Why take on this deal for a lame player, one who is so soft that he can’t check worth a darn, has limited skating ability due to poor ankles, played poorly at best last season, and will fall off at a rapid rate real soon. Stay as far away from this deal as possible. I thought that we want to be hard to play against, this guy is a cupcake!!!!

      Ryan, what a joke he is!!!!!

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:45 pm

        All is calm Walt.

        Rangers out on Karlsson, for now.
        Martin on Long Island.
        Reaves in Vegas.
        Komorov on Long Island.

        We can slumber peacefully tonight.

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 7:24 pm

          And we did not overpay for either of them. It’s a Brave New World in Rangerland.

          Would’ve liked Martin but Lou is in crisis recovery mode so I can understand him snagging him (as well as every other warm body that is still left)….

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 7:38 pm

            Sather keeps reaching for the phone to yell “deal!!” and Gorton keeps tackling him.

            Sather screaming “one more for old times’ sake, please!!”

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 9:20 am

    As long as there’s some incentive, read YOUNG talented player(s) and/or draft picks, I am not adverse to taking on another team’s bad contract.

    I do not want to give up YOUNG assets of note or picks in any deal.
    So that said, I want no part of Karlsson. Let some other team get stuck with a talented player who has an extremely serious achilles injury.
    Let us stay the course, and rebuild.

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 9:35 am

    Remember one thing about the NY Rangers. They are very quiet before deals. They often are so closed lip, no one knows what is really happening until there is an official notice. All of these rumors are just that.

    Not saying they do not make sense, but look for Gorton to make a deal that nets us high draft picks or a player that will still be valuable in 2 years.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:36 am

      Rangers wouldn’t flip Karlsson if they traded their prospects to help get him.

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 9:48 am

    Martin’s contract is so good, teams like Ottawa & AZ would give up picks to get it.

    Horton & Hainsey, on the other hand, you get picks/prospects to take them on.

    I’ll take Karlsson & Ryan’s contracts for Fogarty or Nieves, take your pick. Ryan alone? 2020 1st & 2021 2nd *at a minimum.* Karlsson I’d extend & flip the front loaded contract before he ever put on skates for the Rangers. Otherwise I wouldn’t touch him with a 10fy pole.

    The other contracts: not only no, but no effing way.

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:03 am

    You gotta be kidding….Doughty over Karlsson every single time. I can’t believe I even read that.

    If this is a rebuild why would the Rangers even consider the risk to trade for Karlsson. Ottawa won’t just give it up.

    I know news is slow in Rangerland but surely there are better topics.

    How about a scouting report on K’Andre Miller who seems to be the new glamour boy

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:06 am

      Just how did you figure Karlsson is miles ahead of Doughty? Man that was retarded

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 11:13 am


      I still find it quite confusing/entertaining that you are for some reason put off by a big, punishing defender, who also can contribute quite well on offense, converted from forward, who skates way better than a man of his size should, is committed to quality-NHL-defenseman-factory Wisconsin and will play there for at least one year if not two, and has already taken very quickly to the IQ side of playing on the other end of the ice. His common absolute upside comparison is Brent Burns, and another style comparison I’ve seen made is Morgan Rielly. If he becomes either of those guys, we will all be very thrilled, obviously.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:20 pm

      Doughty 8 days a week. Karlsson the textbook example of how people miss the forest for the trees.

      Stat types look at the CF%, yet ignore the GF%, just blaming it on bad goaltending. Problem is, the goalie’s sv% with him on the ice is often worse then when the other D are on, even partners.

      So the theory that you don’t have to play D when the puck is in the other end is sorta true, it’s just that when they do get it in his end, the puck is more likely to go in.

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:06 am

    I agree with all your ideas here. But also take a look at the Ducks. Corey Perry’s contract is pretty awful too. So is Ryan Kesler’s. We also have a bad contract with Marc Staal. At this point we have too many D men. Not quality mind you but quantity. Staal and Perry have the same time line and NMC protections. but Perry makes $3 mill more a year. You’re not getting Lindholm or Fowler in a deal, but Josh Manson or Brandon Montour could be a nice addition. Doesn’t solve our too many D men problem, but it upgrades over Staal and makes us younger. Being these 2 both shoot Right that would be helpful. And not saying the Ducks would do that but as a consolation prize Nick Ritchie plus something back would also make sense. Something like Staal and a 3rd for Perry, Ritchie and a 2nd. That gives us 2 big grinding forwards for about $3 mill in cap hit+a new contract for Ritchie, we move up a little in next years draft and moves out Staal’s contract. Of course NMC’s come into play. Being from NY and living not far from Anaheim, I have to imagine these locations are desirable to the players. Perry’s not even close to where he was when he signed his contract and Ritchie needs a change of scene. There’s a lot of options out there.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:18 am

      Staal’s term is manageable at this point and was the best D the team had last season. No need to buy him out or trade him as a straight hockey move.

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:21 am

        I agree….make Staal a player/mentor slot him at #7 and play him 40 games max. Staal is not the problem

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:22 am

        I would definitely not buy Staal out here. If we are 2 or 3 years away from competing his contract will be over and why pay a penalty for the next however many years. Makes no sense. Not really sure you could say anyone was our best D man last year…

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:38 am

          Okay but Staal has be one of our worst D man in the last 3 seasons.

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:40 am

            That’s fine..I never said he was our best or was even good. I advocate for moving him.

            • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:11 pm

              Why go over board? I know what you said and I’m just so much in a disagreement
              so I wanted to remind you that Staal is pretty bad lol.
              He’s really not worth keeping around if there are ways to get rid of him soon. I’ve been in the camp that wants him gone at all cost after the deadline. Pionk looking like a stud next to him makes me want to see him play with a better D partner, not the other way around.

              • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:22 pm

                Do you sit and think about these hot takes, or do they just come to you like divine inspiration?

              • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:52 pm

                And I just thought you were trying to see how many thumbs down you could generate…silly me

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:22 am

        That fact that you just wrote that about Staal is exactly why this team was bad. Staal’s terrible. He should be a bottom pair defenseman making 2-3 million not the 5.7 million he’s currently getting paid.

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:38 am

          Staal is a bad contract at hand….so we don’t need to go get any…Lundqvist is another bad contract at hand…I actually think they should keep him now to meet the floor.

          Lundqvist should by all means should seek a trade for his benefit. If they trade these two contracts then go get a contract, here is the deal though….they are no longer the stars of the team and they play as part of a team…Staal no more than 40 games, Lundqvist no more than 35 games. Let them be mentors

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 11:12 am

          Staal was one of 3 D that was a plus, and the the highest +\- by far, so your argument that he’s terrible is all wet. Just imagine how many goals they would’ve shipped without him.

          The salary arguments are moot as well, as the CBA doesn’t allow renegotiation.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 11:25 am

      Unless Bob Murray has a severe momentary lapse of clarity or reason, you’re not getting either of Manson or Montour for taking on a bad contract. They need scorers, there aren’t a ton left now in this summer’s free agency even if they free up more money to use on them, and although Perry and Kesler aren’t PPG players or anything like that, they still would need their points replaced. Ritchie appears to have a rather low hockey IQ, and is not doing well in the NHL so far now that his physicality alone doesn’t allow him to dominate like it did at lower levels – not sure scenery change addresses either of those problems. One of my buddies is a huge Ducks fan and he fairly regularly complains about Ritchie’s mental lapses/stupid penalties. Wasn’t that the biggest knock (according to some) on JT Miller? I really don’t see any of those things happening with the Ducks, but I guess you never know. Something like Kreider for Manson (just as a base structure of a deal, might not be that simple of course) is more along the lines of what I could see for a NYR/ANA swap, frankly.

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:03 pm

        Agree on Manson and Montour which is why I offered up option #2. The ducks aren’t necessarily up against the cap, but they are a budget team. The second deal saves them $3 mill on Perry/Stall and Ritchie on a bridge deal(say $2 mill) for about $5mill +/- in total and we get back a 2nd and give a 3rd. Maybe we give a 5th or 6th instead. (we traded out 7th to Boston to get Riley Hughes so that’s not an option)Sort of like the Brass/Zib trade? We paid Brass’s $2 bonus and gave a 7th Ottawa for their 2nd.

        I go to 7 to 10 ducks games a year and watch them fairly often after the early game out here. It sure sounds like they want to move Perry’s contract and he has a full NMC like Staal which limits both teams options. It ain’t going to be easy to move these without some sweeteners. Ritchie has had his issues but he’s still young. The type of player who may benefit from playing under Quinn. If we were truly coveting Reaves and/or Komarov for their toughness, if nothing else Ritchie gives you that, as he likes throw himself around. (So does Perry to a fault). But maybe under Quinn Ritchie can find his game. And at about less than half the price of Miller based on his last contract. (his production has not been close to Millers either in fairness) As for Anaheim replacing the scoring, Sam Steel looks close to ready to make the jump to the NHL. Maybe a stop over in the AHL, but he’s close. He’ll be on an ELC, so they have $4mill left to play with to fill in the rest.

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:19 pm

          Ducks became basically my second team for that same reason; I lived in LA for 12 years before moving back to NY last May. I really enjoyed the games I went to at the Honda Center; to me that’s a good rink to see games at because it makes you feel close to the ice no matter where you sit compared to Staples, MSG, etc. And I especially enjoyed pre-gaming at Noble Ale Works (and parking over there for free)!

          Don’t get me wrong, I think there could be some possibilities between ANA and NYR – I just don’t know how inclined they would be to do something that doesn’t bring back offense immediately. One of the things I liked about the K’Andre Miller pick is the Ducks really wanted him, and if they really want a defender, then I would too – they’ve shown great aptitude in scouting defenders. So, I’d equally love to wrestle away one of their solid defenders (Hampus is probably nearly or fully untouchable, of course) in the process of taking a bad deal off their hands. Just won’t come easy, methinks. Indeed, a lot is riding on Steel for them right now in the forwards department. As you said, they have an internal budget regardless of what the cap is, with that ownership group.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 12:56 pm

      Andy, the Rangers only have 7 D (assuming they re-sign Skjei) that have to pass through waivers.

      The Rangers do not have a logjam at D at the moment. If some of the young D in camp surprise us and appear to be ready, then they can talk about moving the fringe D. Moving Staal is an unrelated issue. If someone needs to be sacrificed to make space for a younger D after training camp, the Rangers could simply cut Kampfer or Claesson with zero cap implications.

      Most of the young D in the Rangers system are at least a half season away from the NHL and most are more than a year away. It’s far too early to seriously think about carving out NHL roster spots for them.

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:46 pm

        Kampfer will pass through waivers like corn through a goose.

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:54 pm

          Smith will probably pass through Waivers too. I am reading he’s doing everything to get back in shape, but he’s a “show me what you got” at this point.

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:35 pm

            Oddly, before the Claesson signing, the Ranger problem was too few defensemen, not too many. If things go according to plan, the 2019-2020 Rangers will have too many NHL-level defensemen and may deal some, but unless someone emerges, I see Kampfer as 7th on the depth chart.

            As you and Reenavipul note, Smith will pass through waivers because of his salary and Kampfer will as well because no one claims defensemen at that level in October. I suspect Claesson may also clear.

            The problem case is DeAngelo. I don’t think he is good enough to play, but his high pedigree (1st round pick) makes him a waiver risk. I am guessing he starts the season in NY and the Rangers do their best to trade him.

            • Jul 3, 2018 at 4:26 pm

              DeAngelo still waiver exempt.

              Only played 71 NHL games so far, won’t hit 160 until 2019-20 when he’d be eligible anyway.

              • Jul 3, 2018 at 5:53 pm

                Agree DeAngelo is the problem case. Although I did not know he did not need to clear waivers. Thx Reenavipul…he did play better towards the end of the season, and should be a project for Quinn. But if it’s him or Pionk, I take Pionk based on what I have seen.

                I also think because DeAngelo came over in the Stepan trade there’s a perception about him needing to succeed.

              • Jul 3, 2018 at 5:55 pm


                Odd – I believe you are right, but capfriendly has him no longer waiver exempt. Apparently they believe he played in eleven or more games in 2015-2016 when everyone else thinks he spent the entire season in Syracuse.

                As they still have Marc Staal on an NMC, they definitely cannot be absolutely relied on.

                Chris Bigras is not waivers exempt, but I would imagine he would also clear.

              • Jul 3, 2018 at 6:27 pm

                “I also think because DeAngelo came over in the Stepan trade there’s a perception about him needing to succeed.”

                Maybe you are right, but I don’t think this is really true any more. The Stepan trade is old news and JG has brought in so many bodies. Gorton needs some of his newcomers to make their mark, but as long as the new generation inspires real hope, individual stories don’t matter so much IMO.

                That said, I expect the Rangers to try to maximize every single asset, either through development or trade.

            • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:57 pm

              Cap friendly may be/probably are correct, late birthdays do my head in every time.

              This year is his 4th pro season, making him eligible.

              • Jul 4, 2018 at 12:21 pm

                Maybe, but I think you actually were correct. His official ELC signing age was 19 and so I believe that gives him 4 seasons waiver-free. I am presuming the slide years don’t count – otherwise he wouldn’t have been exempt last year.

                Now the number is reduced to three when he plays in the NHL, but he did not play an NHL game in 2015-2016, so my read of the CBA is that he is waiver-exempt.

                Of course, I could be wrong too.

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:19 am

    This option is logical

    Then trade Lundqvist to wherever Karlsson goes so they can play together….see how many teams bite on those contracts…none except a few Ranger fans…Let’s get real here. Who the F cares where Karlsson wants to play, seriously?

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:40 am

    I have a hard time believing that Karlsson + Ryan (even with his horrible contract) is a net negative. What are the assets that would have to go the other way?

    2019 1st, Vesey and Day for instance? No thanks.

    2019 3rd, Vesey and O’Gara for instance? Our pleasure.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 11:19 am

      Hat, I’ll have to disagree.

      No Karlsson at any cost to the Rangers. Sens will get a decent asset return for him. PLUS he will receive $10M per. Besides from his serious ankle injury which will not allow him the mobility he once possessed, he’ll be a huge contract when we start to contend again.

      I’d take a pass on him…………..

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:37 pm

      The Ryan contract is probably the 2nd worst contract in the league besides Lucic in both term & money, with Zaitsev 3rd.

      The biggest problem for Ottawa to deal Ryan is that Colorado already has their 2019 1st and they’re going to be so bad for so long that they’re going to need their picks to rebuild. So they can give up *a* 1, but not 2. That means that it kills what they get for Karlsson n a package deal.

      Now they can try and get more from splitting the two up, but the Ryan deal is so bad ($2mm bonus, $5.5mm salary) it will still net out negative for them. At best, they hope the picks they would get are lower than the ones they give up, which I doubt.

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:56 am

    The Rangers are in the driver’s seat with their low expectations and high amount of cap space. They should be looking to steal assets in the form of young NHL ready talent from other clubs. A Karlsson deal sounds lazy and unwise in view of his recent injuries. Although a talented player, I am not sure that he is what the Rangers need. I hope that they are indeed out of the chase. The Isles may be in it for real. I rather the Rangers try to fleece someone of youngsters that are ready to burst onto the scene.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 11:25 am

      I agree 100%.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:48 pm

      Agrees it tight

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 11:38 am

    Saw something linking NYR and Philly regarding Wayne Simmonds. Not sure if this is credible.

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 12:19 pm

    Matt Martin to the NYR?

    Boomer and Geo on the FAN would be THE place to listen for NYR updates. Boomer would probably lose his mind. HAHA

    Happy 4th!

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    Toronto has nineteen signed players and $13M in cap space. Short term, they have neither cap issues or money issues. No way they are going to give up assets to get rid of players.

    Let’s stop talking about cutesy moves and keep the focus on real possibilities. And with the rising cap, we also need to understand that a star like Doughty or maybe Tavares is really worth $11M in the current market. The key though is that you make sure that if you are paying for an elite player, you get an elite player.

    If the Rangers don’t get a Trouba, I am happy doing nothing on defense. The Rangers have fifteen guys (all but Pedrie IMO) who may be able to play credibly in the NHL this year. The pedigrees don’t suggest a true star in the bunch, but some guys exceed expectations and there are a lot of possibilities.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:32 pm

      Look at next year, Ray. That’s where Toronto’s cap headache begins. They have 11 players signed for 19-20 and roughly $32M in cap space. I know you said short term, but no one is saying the Leafs have cap issues in the short term. Everyone is looking at raiding the Leafs’ roster because of the problems they are going to have next summer. The only reason they have those problems is they just, unwisely, committed almost 14% of their cap space to possibly their second or third best player.

      Matthews, Marner, and Kapanen will all be RFAs. Nylander will already have signed his first post-ELC contract. Next summer the Leafs only have two D under contract, and one of the two is Zaitsev.

      The Leafs are going to have to get very creative if they want to actually win something during the two or three years they have before JT turns into a Blue & White pumpkin.

      And I don’t care how much the cap goes up, UFAs are always going to be bad business. There are only a handful of NHL players that actually manage to put up first line numbers once they hit 30. Signing a 27 year old star so you can pay him like a star in his mid 30s when he’s producing like a 3rd liner is always going to be a dumb move.

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:53 pm

        And maybe they will have to get creative – NEXT YEAR! Hypothetically, if you think the Matt Martin contract is bad, why give up something to get someone to take him of your hands for two years when you really only need to be rid of the contract for one year. The contract is harmless this year and next year it will be easier to dispose of.

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 2:07 pm

          Well, that’s certainly true. But I would prefer to kick the tires and see if something shakes loose instead of completely ignoring a potential cap disaster that could produce something of value for a savvy GM

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:21 pm

            You don’t have to kick tires. If you know the Rangers can absorb salary if they get something in return, so does every GM in hockey. And you are likely to get a better deal if they come to you first.

        • Jul 3, 2018 at 2:20 pm

          Everybody is forgetting that they may have to worry about the expansion draft next year as well — trading players prior to that draft will be tough. Now would be the best time to do some initial preparation for that eventuality.

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:09 pm

            Its not next year, it’s 2020 at the earliest. They haven’t even started gutting Key Arena yet.

          • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:16 pm

            Nobody is forgetting anything. Au contraire, people seem to be seeing things that just aren’t there. Good moves are well-considered and timely.

            Seriously, is there a single example in the history of the NHL of the kind of trade being proposed in this thread? It is hard enough to solve all of the problems that a GM faces without trying to solve problems that may come up a year from now or two years from now.

            The previous draft was lunacy. The rules basically gave Vegas a chance to draft a reasonably good but not critical player from any one team. All the Rangers did to prepare was to sign Matt Puempel to a cheap contract so he could be exposed. And the Rangers lost a nice player who turned out not to be good enough to play in the Stanley Cup Finals. Yet somehow lots of other teams did all kinds of calisthenics and the upshot was that Vegas got far more talent than they were supposed to. All the maneuvering was just a way to lose more obviously.

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 1:55 pm

        They’ll have Liljegren, Rosen, Sandin, Rasanen & a ton of others to plug in at that time.

        They threaded the needle something fierce.

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 2:15 pm

    Amazing they are having trouble selling tickets. I would have thought that to be the case the past two years, they have been dreadful to watch and i never thought they were going anywhere with AV and that defense. I am way more interested in watching this team starting now than i was. Ticket prices are crazy still though.

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 2:30 pm

      When MSG limited ticket holders to 4 per account, they found out how hard the scalpers were putting a floor under the market.

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 3:19 pm

    Matt Martin traded to lslanders. As it stands now the Rangers will get there ASS run all night long

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 6:03 pm

    Shatty and Karlsson do sound yummy

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 7:06 pm

    who are these ranger fans who are demanding to have a marginal playoff bubble team with aging stars on the decline before they will buy tickets? Show yourselves!

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 7:19 pm

      Me would love to see Karlsson in a Rangers uni.

      Then I can buy a jersey and rub it in all the Ottawa fans I know.

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 9:53 pm

        Haha spite is really the only acceptable response

      • Jul 3, 2018 at 10:45 pm

        I’m thinking about getting a Larry Melnyk sweater so I can wear it to Ottawa this year.

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    Contact Dr Mack at (dr_mack@ yahoo. com if you want to get your Husband, Wife, Boyfriend and Girlfriend back now and regain your happiness…

    • Jul 3, 2018 at 7:41 pm

      Tell Dr. Mack to keep my wife because I have my happiness now.

  • Jul 3, 2018 at 9:39 pm

    Matt Martin traded to Fishsticks for 5th string goalie. Dallas making a play for the injury riddled aging defenseman Karlsson. Lucic skates like he is up to his knees in cement, pass.

    • Jul 4, 2018 at 6:26 am

      Gorton also passed on De Haan for a fairly reasonable contract. I was hoping that Calvin might be added.

    • Jul 4, 2018 at 6:28 am

      I was hoping that the Rangers would add De Haan. Carolina got him for a very reasonable contract at 4 years for $4.55M per.

  • Jul 4, 2018 at 7:42 am

    Happy and safe 4th to all.

    Please remember our brave military, past and present, and their families as well, for all the sacrifices they have made to protect us and keep us safe.

  • Jul 4, 2018 at 7:49 am

    Happy and safe 4th everyone.

    Thank you to our brave military, past and present, and to their families as well, for their sacrifices in protecting us and keeping us safe.

  • Jul 4, 2018 at 8:02 am

    I have to admit,I am surprised the Rangers have stayed this quiet in free agency. I thought would add some good character guys that could teach the kids on being pros. I think at this point let the kids play and endure the growing pains they will go through because with AV behind the bench a mistake was made there ass was glued to the bench.

    The salary dump question is intersting one but I would stay away from these deals unless you get exactly what you want. If I was going to make a deal I would look at Justin Faulk. He is 26 and number 1 defensemen. He could be part of the rebuild. This would be hockey move that helps us for the future.

    I just hope the Rangers get the right assets going forward, so they contend for cup for many years.

  • Jul 4, 2018 at 8:15 am

    Lets all take a moment today to reflect on our freedoms, this wonderful country, and the ability to have a forum like this to express ourselves as a Ranger family. Also help me celebrate my Uncle Sam’s birthday, have a great 4th of July everyone!!!!!!

  • Jul 4, 2018 at 8:37 am

    I tried earlier, but the post didn’t go thru, so here goes again.

    Lets all reflect today on our freedom, and thanks for the wonderful country we live in. We have the ability to express ourselves on this great site, as a family of Ranger fans.

    Please help me celebrate my Uncle Sam’s birthday by having a terrific 4th of July folks. See everyone tomorrow!!!!!!!

  • Jul 4, 2018 at 9:46 am


    • Jul 4, 2018 at 11:27 am

      I thought it was me, lol

Comments are closed.