Some thoughts on David Quinn

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The Rangers are all but assured to be naming BU’s David Quinn as their next coach. The official announcement hasn’t come yet, but trustworthy sources like Bob McKenzie and Elliotte Friedman have said this is basically a done deal.

It looks like Quinn wasn’t their top target. Jim Montgomery turned down a lot more money from the Rangers to go to Dallas. However Quinn does appear to be a nice consolation prize. As per usual, I have some thoughts.

1. First things first, I don’t know anything about the systems Quinn uses or how he prefers to play. So this won’t be that kind of post. If you’re expecting in depth analysis on his systems, that will be in September/October when I get to see what he does.

2. As for the hiring itself, I love that this isn’t just another retread of the wheel of coaches. Quinn is not an “old hockey guy” by any means, and that’s refreshing. It was the one thing I wanted in a coach, and I got it. So, hooray for me.

3. Quinn is a guy who has a good track record at BU. He put together winning teams and developed kids that were destined for the NHL. Sure, there were a lot of sure-fire first rounders in there, but without the right tutelage, they falter. Quinn gave them that tutelage. With so many kids coming up, you need that kind of patience and development.

4. I don’t get how people can hate a hiring of a guy they’ve never watched before they see what he brings. I’m just ignoring the crab people right now. Do I have reservations? Of course I do. But there is no perfect candidate. I get the feeling those upset by Quinn are just people that wanted Sheldon Keefe. That’s fine, but don’t bash Quinn when you know nothing about him.

5. There are talks that Quinn’s hiring will mean the Rangers are targeting Brady Tkachuk in the draft, and may look to trade up to ensure it happens. I don’t see it that way. Yes, Tkachuk played on Quinn’s BU team this year, and had a solid season. However Gordie Clark isn’t going to let a new coach dictate his drafting strategy. The last time that happened, Tom Renney pushed for Hugh Jessiman.

6. Clarifying #5, Tkachuk at ninth overall is great value and a solid pick. Tkachuk at #4 overall while dealing more assets to get him isn’t. Wahlstrom has the higher ceiling and is better value at #4.

7. I’m intrigued to see how this decision impacts the UDFA market for the Rangers. The Blueshirts are always active in this space. It could help the Rangers grab some undrafted guys out of BU, but I have to admit I am not well versed in that space.

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63 thoughts on “Some thoughts on David Quinn

  • May 22, 2018 at 9:04 am

    Quinn is a breathe of fresh air – but can he coach and handle the grind of the NHL, and prima-donna NHL players? We will have to see. Sure he knows how to handle the under 24 crowd, but what about the others? Don’t get me wrong, it is a great selection, just saying we have to give this guy at least 6 months to learn the ropes.

    I am guessing he will have input on draft picks, as he may have actually run into some of these players. I hope he can pick his coaches, so we can end the drama at the defensive side of the bench.

    PS – How can you not like a coach named “Dave”.

  • May 22, 2018 at 9:35 am

    How could you not like a coach named “Dave”?

  • May 22, 2018 at 9:43 am

    Time will tell if Quinn is the guy or not, but I am happy to give him a chance and see what he brings. I do like the direction of trying something new. It also signals they are going to give these young kids a real shot. I am not really sure if he would have much influence on drafting Tkachuk or not. They may have been targeting Tkachuk already and thought Quinn checked a lot of boxes plus he has that relationship. I would be disappointed if we traded up for Tkachuk. At #9 ok.

    good news is we have a coach well ahead of the draft. He seems like a responsible choice. Now let the drafting begin.

  • May 22, 2018 at 9:56 am

    Quinn coaches a man’s game, and the NHL is a man’s game. If we draft Kachuk then so be it, but it would be optimal if we traded down to do it. Or, inversely, traded up for Wahlstrohm and got a guy who can play a man’s game.

  • May 22, 2018 at 10:10 am

    Well a puzzle is solved one piece at a time….eh
    Signing Quinn to be the coach means what exactly? Are we going full rebuild? If not is he the right coach?
    I hope we are going full rebuild and with that said we say goodbye to Lundqvist, Zucc, Staal and Pavelec. Obviously these players will be in play too on draft day, Skjei, Spooner, Namestnikov, Vesey and Hayes.

    For you Lundqvist lovers, do tell how he fits into this team with the signing of a rookie coach who develops kids and why would Lundqvist want to stay here instead of going to a team with the chance to win the Cup? Don’t be Dartanian and thumbs down and walk….I really am interested in your point of view in this matter. For me it’s simple he needs to go.

    Too soon to talk about Las Vegas but after the SCF I have thoughts to share about this phenomena and how it translates to our rebuild.

    • May 22, 2018 at 10:42 am

      Can’t speak for all of us, but as noted before, ad-nauseum, Leather…N…M…C. That’s all you need to know. How hard you spin your wheels on this is beyond me. Doesn’t matter what any of us thinks, doesn’t matter why Henrik wants to stay a Ranger (so far). Also doesn’t matter who they hire for the coach – Benoit Allaire is Hank’s guy, not the HC.

      I am slightly impressed however that you still managed to beat the drum, when anyone’s opinion of Hank – good or bad – has no bearing on this topic. Dedication like that is uncommon.

      • May 22, 2018 at 10:54 am

        That can be waived by him….NMC means nothing when situation doesn’t match a goal. Wants to win a Cup….he waives. So this is not an obstacle.
        Signing this coach has nothing to do with the Ranger situation? OK then. I think it does, why do you think it doesn’t?
        Hiring this coach is pointing to a full rebuild in my opinion and if so Hank needs to move on. As do Staal and Zucc and again Zucc is my favorite current Ranger.
        The future of the Rangers is at stake here and I am all about building our own. To win the Cup part of the equation is depth which the Rangers can restore.

        • May 22, 2018 at 11:09 am

          He’s not gonna waive it until he wants to, if ever…and he didn’t want to knowing full-well that Gorton was open for business for reasonable deals on just about anyone. They’re not going to buy him out yet, if ever. Despite all the hullabaloo about the moves Gorton made and the incessantly annoying semantics debate about re-tool/rebuild/revamp/reset/re-tweak/re-whatever, the Rangers did not hold a fire sale, and will not be tearing it down to the foundation and studs in the next year. The future of the entire Rangers organization is not at stake because the goalie makes more money than you approve of. The signing of the coach has nothing to do with any one singular position on the ice. The Rangers have bigger fish to fry, namely that embarrassment of a defense (system, players, or combo) that allowed the second-most shots in the game last season. Etc.

          Pray some other team decides they really need Hank to put them over the top, can take on the contract, and Hank will sign off to go there. If this is the hill you’ve chosen to die on, that’s your only chance for salvation IMHO.

      • May 22, 2018 at 11:48 am

        But it does have a bearing on the subject. AV designed his preferred defense a certain way. He did not like fronting — but he did it when Hank was in net. And the stats clearly show that the adjustment was not successful.

        AV failed in my opinion – and I might add in his opinion as well – because he was unable to navigate the elephant in the room. Whether the new coach can navigate said elephant is critical. I would have liked to see a Messier, a strong personality well versed in the pro game.

      • May 22, 2018 at 1:05 pm

        Sigh. Why don’t they trade him? NMC. But we don’t like him, he must leave. NMC. They can get good trade value. NMC. But he can wave it, so he can leave the city and life he loves. NMC. But I DON”T LIKE HIM. N.M.C!!!!

        Three simple letters. Yet, apparently, it’s rocket science.

        • May 22, 2018 at 3:23 pm

          That’s alarming if he does not desire to win a Cup….three simple letters he can waive if he wants a Cup….and if he doesn’t even more reason for him not to be on the Ranger roster

          Tired of “Today Lundqvist started to skate” stories….This is a team, called the New York Rangers not Lundqvist’s Rangers.

          His time has passed…..Just like all you Girardi Bashers but oh no not Lundqvist….how dare you criticize the K…errr Queen

          • May 22, 2018 at 3:55 pm

            At it’s that time of the day for a homophobic slur.

          • May 22, 2018 at 5:30 pm

            I’m certainly interested in what cup contending team a) needs a starting goalie and b) has the cap room to fit Lundqvists cap hit.

            Ya know since ALL he has to do is waive his NMC and the Stanley cup gets delivered to his driveway by tomorrow morning.

            • May 22, 2018 at 7:22 pm

              Bingo. He’s taking a gamble no matter where he goes. A lot of people who follow the NHL closely would have projected a Pens/Preds repeat finals this year…and all of us (that’s what I would have predicted, personally, because that seemed like a fairly safe bet) would have been wrong.

              Far be it from us to tell Hank whether a Cup or the quality of life he enjoys in NYC should be his priority. Some players just want to be where they feel is “home”, others are pure mercenaries and will play wherever they feel gives them the best money/Cup chances, and many are in the middle in some way, I assume. For all we know, a Cup is his heart’s desire, but to him, it has to be in NY, at “home”, for it to truly count. He’s already done right by the country that raised him; perhaps he is still fully determined to do right by the NHL team that raised him. Personally, I find that extremely admirable, if it is the case.

              What I will say is this, and this features no bias whatsoever: He has remained on despite the utter shit show that was the defense in front of him the past few seasons. Something tells me he believes in the team and front office a lot more than he believed in his coach, otherwise, he could have (perhaps) been gone many moons ago.

            • May 22, 2018 at 8:53 pm

              Tell that to the Penguins who….you know traded for Brassard whilst in cap hell

              • May 22, 2018 at 10:18 pm

                Soooooo …… which cup contending team a) needs a goaltender, and B) has the cap space to fit him?

    • May 22, 2018 at 10:43 am

      If Lundqvist was not good, yes I would say he had to go.
      If the Rangers were up against the cap and needed to find $$ to sign a Skjei or Buchnevich, etc, yes I would say Lundqvist had to go in order to keep younger rising players.
      If Lundqvist was a poor influence in the locker room, yes I would say he had to go.

      None of those things are the case. He can still play in the NHL at above replacement level. We do not need to come up with $$ to keep young players or put us over the top. He owns a full no move clause and has expressed time and time again he doesn’t want to go anywhere. He does not create a toxic environment. In actuality, he and Shestyorkin may be the perfect platoon system for a changing of the guard. It’s been demonstrated a multitude of times that even IF 1) it were a possibility he get moved goalies do not bring back monster returns; ans B) we chose to eat half his contract to maximize a return we would still have to sign a goalie for near 3-4 mil and our goalie cap dollars would remain the same….

      In summation, your narritive is off- he does not “have to go”. Sure, he could go but the likelihood remains like the shorty with the apple bottom jeans and the boots with the fur “low low low low”

      • May 22, 2018 at 11:40 am

        “If Lundqvist was not good, yes I would say he had to go.”

        Hatrick, this is not true. What you mean to say is that if Lundqvist were not good and I realized it, then …

        I agree that you have identified the issues. I also agree that buying out Lundqvist this year is not optimal behavior from a cap perspective. As far as his influence in the locker room, I doubt either of us has any idea.

        Here is my problem. Yes, Hank is still above replacement level, but that is a pretty low bar.

        Question: Five years from now, who will be the best tender that the Rangers now have in their system? The answer may be obvious (Shestyorkin) but perhaps the obvious answer is wrong. We still haven’t seen him play in the NHL and he has benefited by having an extremely good team in front of him. On the other hand, Georgiev really put it together the latter half of the season. He got on fire in Hartford and maybe had a chance to get the Pack into the playoffs until the selloff decimated the team. He easily outplayed Hank in NY. His save percentage was higher than Hank’s five year average despite playing behind a truly minor league defense.

        One might argue that it was only seven games, but that argument is crap. He really was that good. One can also argue that it was only two months — and that argument is valid. Goalies do catch fire and fade. The Georgiev we see next year may not belong in the NHL.

        Then again, maybe Georgiev is the best choice for an heir and your Lundqvist-Shestyorkin narrative never lets us find out.

        And this crap about changing your defensive configuration to satisfy the goalie is insane.

        Look, if the coach can treat Hank like just another player – dividing up the time in goal – and Hank is fine with that, then I don’t buy him out. But if he continues to be the elephant in the room, yes, I buy him out.

        • May 22, 2018 at 12:55 pm

          Lundqvist lovers will never understand Ray

          He is not top 10 as far as NHL goalies go ever or better yet now

          He is not the best goalie ever when it comes to Rangers…top 5 might be a reach but I’ll give him that

          We are not winning with him and fact didn’t when it was his window….that window has closed

          • May 22, 2018 at 1:02 pm

            I would not go that far. Lundqvist really was amazing as a rookie — and his Olympic gold was a major feat. He did win a Vezina which he deserved. He really was a knight in shining armor for a struggling franchise once upon a time.

        • May 22, 2018 at 7:38 pm

          Georgiev’s sample is far, far too small to draw any conclusions. Nobody has a book on him yet. This is the same reason many MLB fielders, even if not known for power, hit homers in their debut or within a few games – the pitchers don’t know their cold spots yet. Same happens in reverse, too – vet batters have not seen young pitchers, and many such pitchers do better right out of the gate and then “regress” once the offense around the league has a book on them. Truth is, the players don’t change…their opponents just grow to know more about them. You can study them all you want at the pace of lower levels, but it doesn’t always carry over when the entire game pace is different. It happens in football. It happens in basketball. It is absolutely not “crap”.

          As for changing the defensive configuration, we’ve discussed that. Fronting/net-side is far less of a concern than AV’s wretched man/overload vs. a much more practical approach, IMHO. You also continually compare part-time goalies to Hank as though this is a video game with the fatigue setting toggled to “Off”.

          Sample size matters, bro. You gonna go hire a coach because he looked good in 7 AHL/NCAA games, but the rest of his experience was coaching high school? Didn’t think so.

      • May 22, 2018 at 1:10 pm

        Lundqvist IS a poor influence in the locker room

        • May 22, 2018 at 2:05 pm

          Please site your sources

          • May 22, 2018 at 7:39 pm

            Source: Maz Super, little-known NYR insider.

    • May 22, 2018 at 10:46 am

      you bring up some very valid points. The reality is we are looking into the abyss. Rebuild or retool? Not clear. Is Quinn the right coach. We will find out but today you can’t say yes or no. Time will tell. I think they will trade Zucc. And agree the rest of the guys you mentioned on draft day could all be in play.

      As for Henrik. You can argue this so many ways. If it’s a rebuild you need leadership in the locker room. You have Shestyorkin coming over hopefully next year. Having him backup Hank will be a good way to help develop him. ( that’s an expensive mentor, but a good one) If it’s a rebuild then you try and trade him. Better to tank next year then be a middle of the pack team. Then what will he bring back in return? Now if it’s a retool then you keep him and hope the UFA’s you sign and the young kids you ultimately draft can carry you to the promised land. Finally he has a NMC. So if he wants to stay he stays.

      • May 22, 2018 at 11:08 am

        You brought up my other point that I failed to mention but have in the past, this team needs to be a high lottery pick again next year. We could’ve had Wahlstrom but no we had to win some meaningless games for what? Pride?
        Nothing will beat the crap out of you more than pride as much as it is also a motivator to win, timing is everything here with pride. I’d take Wahlstrom any day over wins against Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton and the 2 wins over Carolina. Those wins didn’t achieve anything worthwhile…..zilch…zip..
        Now there are people yapping about trading up….man how foolish, dumb, stupid, tactically ridiculous. So next year has to be a lesson learned from this year, don’t be foolish, be in a position for a high pick because your number 1 C could very well be available in next years draft. It is a very heavy on Center available, draft.

        • May 22, 2018 at 8:01 pm

          I read you all the time. Don’t always agree, sometimes do. However, I do not want one single player, one coach, or one front office member to be on, nor run, my team, that advocates losing a game for any reason. That is, above all else, a loser mentality. I can do without losers and just continue to try, try, try!

        • May 23, 2018 at 10:25 am

          You try telling professional athletes to lose on purpose. You think the mandate “Hey guys … Stop trying to win. Shoot wide, don’t play D and stop making so many saves” would really happen. If you think so then you are delusional. If you think the Rangers front office should ice a roster worthy of getting into the top 3 of the draft then you are delusional again.

          I say all this b/c I agree that winning meaningless games last year hurt us. You can never discount player’s pride and competitive nature. That is a true fact of sport.

          I agree with many things you say. I was actually killed on another blog when I asked another person why they would rather not see the ex Rangers on Tampa win the Cup this year. Why hope they don’t win? Rangers fans should hope they win the Cup this year and then Tampa sh*ts the bed next year. The 2nd round pick we got turns into their 2019 #1 and if they sh*t the bed next year, it can turn into a decently high first round pick. I don’t care what he likelihood of this is, it’s what Rangers fans should hope for.

    • May 22, 2018 at 10:50 am

      If the right value is there then #30 is gone, maybe at the deadline.
      His contract isn’t attractive to potential clubs though.

      I am pumped about this coach, why not, we are younger, he coaches youth well. It fits, so wear it with pride baby. We have a College coach making his NHL start… I’m game!


    • May 23, 2018 at 5:57 am

      Does signing Kovy sound like a full rebuild bro?

      Just like fetch, a full rebuild is not happening.

    • May 24, 2018 at 2:46 pm

      I will join the minority POV about Hank…I have been an advocate for trading him for several years believing that he is a head case and had critical flaws which come into play at critical moments. I don’t believe he can take a rebuilding team into the future…I know he has a contract that makes getting rid of him almost impossible (ditto Staal, Smith and Shattenkirk).
      Since there is no commitment to win the Cup, we’d be better off with a team that is a bottom feeder and secures a top five draft choice in 2019. Teams stuck in the middle rarely go any place.
      Hank is a terrific athlete who works his butt off, loves NYC, and being a Ranger….but his glove is slow; is beaten too often from the side; can’t handle the puck and leaves lots of rebounds. Just the facts…
      I have no faith in Gordie Clark’s draft system (just look at the empty farm
      I hope our new coach can perform miracles, but without star players it will
      have to be the Las Vegas model…

  • May 22, 2018 at 10:56 am

    I’m pretty lukewarm regarding Quinn. I do not follow the college game all that closely, but my general understanding based on what I’ve read in recent days or in the past is that he’s done about what one might expect with the teams he’s had in the NCAA. Perhaps even fell a little short of what it looks may have been possible, but in any case, I have not seen glowing reviews of him getting his teams to punch above their weight class on paper…but I also haven’t read anything about him failing miserably or really mishandling players.

    Not sure his recruiting prowess translates to any value in the NHL, and I have a hunch that while he may not be a card-carrying member of The Fraternity of Good Hockey Men, his name did carry some value with Sather/Dolan. Probably not a coincidence they have been most-linked with two of the bigger non-retread names out there. In my opinion, not very-clearly sucking as a coach is a damn shade better than AV the past three seasons, though, so huzzah! Clearly, I had set the bar pretty low here; I think I only would have been outraged had they promoted Ruff.

    As long as Quinn doesn’t clearly harm the team with his own ego/hubris/ignorance/dumbassery/favoitism the way AV had been for far too long, I’ll be essentially fine with him. If he starts pulling crap like putting top six skill sets in the bottom six or vice versa, loses his at-the-time-best-performing players on the bench, allows veterans to play like complete ass and commit terrible penalties without holding them as accountable as the younger guys who do the same, sends clearly-more-talented players to the press box in lieu of face-punchers who can’t even skate well by AHL standards, and refuses to ever, ever blame himself for anything in a presser…well, I probably won’t be a fan for long. Fingers crossed, none of that crap happens, and if that is the case, I think we immediately see a much better product, even if not world-beating.

    • May 22, 2018 at 11:22 am

      Without knowing what management has in store I am curious as well. My mind says that with this coach the finger is pointing to a rebuild. If it is a rebuild then the team has some obstacles it needs to remove. But yeah, the greatest news from this news is that AV is no longer the coach.
      I know nothing of Quinn but I am in if part of his coaching is physicality as well as speed. So if he embraces toughness (as in fighting spirit not only dropping gloves), hitting….relentless forechecking…spreading ice time….4 lines playing, 3 D pairings playing…then I am down with this guy.
      If he wants 6 Bovquists on the back end, 12 Zibby types (Zibanijed is as soft as soft can get) then no…I will want him gone too.
      If he wants Andersson types, Lias Andersson people put down, but I’ll take him. His attitude is not teachable, it’s an instinct. Throw that silver medal into the stands….Ooooh raaah to that then we’re in for a fun ride with this coach

      • May 22, 2018 at 11:44 am

        I concur on the physicality/speed combo part – just don’t let physicality override skill when it comes to deployment, is all. The Rangers are not a small or weakly-built team overall despite some of the narratives, and time will tell, but I really firmly believe that AV discouraged the physicality to some degree as it can lead to mistakes/penalties he had a low tolerance for, and he mistakenly thought carrying around one face-puncher was the same as top-to-bottom hustle and playing with a little edge. I feel like we’ve seen Rangers play with more physicality in international play than when they were playing NHL games. Miller has been playing his game in Tampa, and regardless of the fact he has often been deployed with better teammates, he really looks like he is playing his game right now to me, not AV’s. Kreider seems to enjoy a more physical game IMO. Maybe we will see young defenders open their game up a bit more if they won’t be benched for every time they take a mildly bad penalty. Etc.

        In full disclosure, I liked the AV hire. I just didn’t know about his deficiencies in such detail until I saw them in play. I really didn’t want Ruff at that time, so I felt at the time that we had dodged a bullet. I didn’t get really truly fed up with AV until the Pens series when he made no adjustments, regardless of the fact we were never going to win that series. I wasn’t thrilled with him in the TB series the prior year, but was still willing to give him some rope, especially since we found out that team was excessively injured even by NHL post-playoffs injury reveal standards. Then it was just all downhill from there. So, I intend to give Quinn some solid leeway as well…but will admit, I may be a little quicker to the trigger if he pulls that same sort of stuff – I have a sensitivity to the early signs now, if you will. Hopefully we won’t have to worry about that!

    • May 22, 2018 at 11:54 am

      I think coach needs to coach, not develop young players. Though an environment in which young players develop is a plus. The history of college coaches suggests a crap shoot where Quinn could be a first rate coach or a total bust. I don’t know how you predict – hope the Rangers do – or get lucky.

      • May 22, 2018 at 2:27 pm

        Yeah, I feel like any coach is a crap shoot to some level of universal degree. Not that coaching doesn’t count – not saying that at all, but that chemistry with the roster is indeed hard to project. Highly regarded coaches have failed with new teams before, of course.

        With that said, developing young players is a key part of the equation IMO, in the Rangers’ current situation. Obviously AHL counts big for that aspect, but it needs to exist once the players are due for their chance at the NHL level, as well.

  • May 22, 2018 at 11:12 am

    My friend was on the Colorado staff with Quinn back in 2012 under Joe Sakic. He said Quinn is a solid guy and coach, relates to young players very well and knows how to coach young players. Seems like a complete 180 from Coach AV to me…

    time will tell how this works out.

    • May 22, 2018 at 11:39 am

      In the NHL, you always do a 180 when you replace a coach. Let’s hope 180 is what we needed.

  • May 22, 2018 at 11:40 am

    As this is the most open secret in the NHL, why hasn’t the deal been finalized? Curious…

    • May 22, 2018 at 11:53 am

      I saw it noted somewhere that Gorton was overseas until yesterday (I think). If so, that may be why.

  • May 22, 2018 at 11:44 am

    “The last time that happened, Tom Renney pushed for Hugh Jessiman.”

    In all fairness that was mostly a Don Maloney call.

    • May 22, 2018 at 12:06 pm

      That was Renney all the way. He even said so many times. Maloney was all in on Korpikoski

      • May 22, 2018 at 12:11 pm

        Reminder to all – none of this years potential draft picks have ever played a game at the NHL level. Might be more than 1 “Hugh Jessiman” in the first and second rounds here too.

      • May 22, 2018 at 1:23 pm

        No, Maloney was the one who had identified and supported Jessiman long before he was even draft eligible.

  • May 22, 2018 at 12:59 pm

    You build via the draft….period….you add pieces when the time is right

    Building via FA is as dumb as dumb can get….79 years sample….yup…dumb

  • May 22, 2018 at 1:04 pm

    No matter what, he’ll be an improvement over AV.

    • May 24, 2018 at 7:07 am

      You or I would be an improvement my friend.

  • May 22, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    You’re going to see more of what we started to see after the white flag was raised: a team that is willing to skate it out of their own end, have controlled zone entries and cycle the puck to death. Wingers on their off hand coming off the half wall.

    When BU came out to Phoenix last season, they jumped the Sun Devils early with a couple of 5 minute majors and smoked them 8-0. The next night they were in a back and forth game, winning 4-3. ASU was not a good team, making progress as a program.

    The team was Nintendo hockey: done big guys, some average guys and a few little guys.

    It why should one have a jaundiced eye towards Quinn? Results.
    1st season in AHL: 6th place
    2nd: 2nd
    3rd: 3rd place

    1st season @ BU: 9th
    2nd: 1st place
    3rd:4th place
    4th: 2nd place
    5: 4th place

    Takes a while to install the system, then improvement, then regression.

    • May 22, 2018 at 1:17 pm

      And players who fit the system

  • May 22, 2018 at 1:19 pm

    I have no reservations on the coach! We no longer have AV! If Lundqvist will not leave peacefully, he could see the bench full time and that may change his perspective.

  • May 22, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    I have a hard time believing Quinn was their first choice otherwise his hiring would have been announced much earlier. I firmly believe there is a back story to why we didn’t or couldn’t wait for the AHL playoffs to conclude for Sheldon O’Keefe. I had a chance to watch him a couple weeks back vs the Syracuse Crunch in the first round and I was very impressed. Very hands on approach to to engaging individual players during the game, but not continuously, rather than always talking to the group of players. Granted coaching the AHL may have a lot to do with that style. In all likelihood O’Keefe was either asking for too much or Toronto promised him something BIG! If that’s the case I will resolve to accepting the next best choice in Quinn.

    On a related note, I read a pretty good article this morning that I can no longer find that discussed Las Vegas success. There were 3 main points: 1) winning the the NHL Championship (Stanley Cup) is a perfect storm of luck, talent, and (forget the other), 2) it doesn’t happen without a top flight goalie (see Fleury and comparison on Winnepeg’s team year over year which was essentially the same roster – Hellebuyck was very good this year, and 3) a bunch of players who’s lack of ice time elsewhere buried their skills/talent – the article used about 5 players in that example but could have used a lot more.

    All I could think about was Lundqvist and Coaching/Management’s over reliance in thinking our Veterans would return to their past form. It absolutely killed our youth’s development, confidence, and ceilings. For that reason I applaud the hiring of someone like O’Keefe or Quinn.

  • May 22, 2018 at 1:45 pm

    David Quinn is our coach, and I’l support this decision made by management. If he develops kids well, enough said, I’m in his corner. Can’t wait for the draft!!!!!!

  • May 22, 2018 at 2:05 pm


    My lying eyes spotted AV’s short comings three years ago, in the cup finals, and I was very vocal to cut the umbilical cord with Clarabelle then, and made a slew of enemies in the process. It’s refreshing that there are plenty others who’s eyes were opened, and are glad that the clown is gone!!!!!!!!!! I like this signing, and will give him as much leeway to proven his worth!!!!!

    • May 22, 2018 at 2:21 pm

      Me too….add Lundqvist to that too

      • May 22, 2018 at 6:47 pm

        Man Leather … Good stuff , lol … Swedes won gold without the King there ! I still can’t see him going anywhere . That ridiculous contract kills any chance of it. We’d have to give up a #1 pic or 2 and retain half his salary for it to happen.

    • May 22, 2018 at 2:43 pm

      I still just do not understand how he escaped the Ottawa series employed. Maybe the front office didn’t see the TB series quite the way some fans did, maybe they gave him a completely free pass against PIT since they had been rolling over teams leading up to the playoffs…but just no excuse for him surviving the Ottawa series. I will be so happy to just not see blatant coaching mistakes…I can live with a team that just isn’t good enough, but I cannot live with a coach chipping away at the W-L total with blunders. Ball is definitely in Gorton’s court now to get the player pipeline shored up, and knock on wood, Quinn will be a coach who works to make his decisions fit the strengths of the roster rather than trying to bend the roster to his will.

      • May 22, 2018 at 5:47 pm

        The Rangers are always a day late and a dollar short….Gallant was fired by Panthers but the Rangers were still enamored with AV…they never even gave it a thought. Lou will fire Weight and hire O’keefe. We talk about these draft picks…meanwhile, Islanders will have 4 in the first 2 rounds and they will trade one of each and address their weaknesses. At this very moment, which organization would you rather run.

    • May 22, 2018 at 2:51 pm

      One thing is for sure, AV had many players under him as the Ranger coach who had plenty of talent. He didn’t get it done.

      The new man behind the bench will have plenty of youth with talents yet to be seen.

      I am looking forward to the future, because the past got harder and harder to watch.

      LGR! ONWARD and UPWARD !!!!!

  • May 22, 2018 at 6:52 pm

    Lou Lamoriello is joining the Islanders, so it looks like JT will not join the Rangers.

  • May 22, 2018 at 10:02 pm

    Don’t bash the new guy….agreed. Afterall we were are all new guys at some point in our life and all we asked for, was that others give us a chance to show what we can do.

    So it was Renney who pushed for Jessiman. Seemed like a off the board pick at the time and turned out it was! Yikes.

  • May 23, 2018 at 6:16 am

    Just like peace, give Quinn a chance.

    We also do not know the impact this has for the Rangers trading up to get Tkachuk. I heard that Quinn recruited Wahlstrom as well.

    I keep reading that Tkachuk does not possess elite skills. That’s a problem if the Rangers trade up to get him at 5.

  • May 23, 2018 at 12:33 pm

    Hi all,

    Herb Brooks obviously was a great coach for the 1980 USA team. He helped USA win gold medal. He took young college players from Boston and Minnesota and molded them into a team. I remember some sayings from him reading his book and watching the movie, Miracle.

    “The name on the front is more important then the name on the back.” “I know my team, each player has a role, each player has a purpose on this team.” “No team has ever skated with them, no team has skated with them during the 3rd period (Russia).” Gentlemen we will shove their game back in their faces.

    Has the NHL changed, is there no more need for different types of players (they know their role). It seems to me that the Rangers had too many players all playing the same way, no different approach. I am taking about having a grinder, hitter, agitator, money player, playoff hero. Four solid lines, with the superstars/top players on the 1st and 2nd lines 3rd and 4th lines that can skate and score some goals (be productive and/or score when it matters most). What intrigues me this season is that the Rangers at least can sign/draft or trade for the different roles and fill up the team the right way. Youth with some vet experience. Also, what can help us is if the Rangers can land cup winners, relatively young if possible. NYR has so many draft picks to work with we can definitely try to build the team up fill in some roles, then work on what else the team needs.

    Quinn can definitely bring in a new mentality, fresh perspective to this team that needs it. Also, Quinn can get his players confidence going by giving them a few more minutes shift. Quinn can also put the players in key situations (like killing of a penalty, last few seconds faceoff, etc). Something AV didn’t, Quinn at least can look into getting his players to buy into his system, believing him and his style, method.

    • May 23, 2018 at 11:20 pm

      The NHL was a man’s game back then. Herb coached hard and led men.

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