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No Need to Panic About Picking Ninth

April 30, 2018, by

gordie clark

The draft lottery took place yesterday, and the results have some Rangers fans frazzled. The Blueshirts unfortunately didn’t land in the top three this draft, and will therefore be missing out on any of Rasmus Dahlin, Andrei Svechnikov, or Filip Zadina. The three of them are generally understood to be among the best prospects in recent memory, in particular Dahlin, and the fact that they won’t be Rangers any time soon is definitely a bummer. Still, this is an exceptionally deep draft, and I don’t think there’s any reason to panic about the Rangers picking 9th overall this upcoming draft. Allow me to explain.

1. We can still trade up – it’s likely not a great idea because of what we’d have to give to move into the 4-7 range (or even 3rd, as the Habs are allegedly open to trading the pick) and there will still be great players left at 9 (more on that in a moment), but if Jeff Gorton really really wanted to he could. There’s always a deal to be made, and this draft could be one of the silliest in recent memory, so I wouldn’t sweat it that the Rangers got the 9th pick because there’s a non-zero chance that they don’t actually wind up picking 9th. Still, GMJG may decide to stand pat, and then what? We’re left with some scrub? Quite to the contrary, we’ll be alright because…

2. This draft really is incredibly deep. There will be plenty of great players left on the board at 9th, trust me. In TSN’s mock draft for example, the Rangers are set to take Oliver Wahlstrom, with Adam Boqvist a pick below them at 10.  Both players would be excellent additions to the Rangers, and would seriously augment this rebuild despite not being one of the big three. But let’s say you really did want Brady Tkachuk or Quinn Hughes, there’s good news still…

3. GMs do dumb stuff all the time. Exhibit A is that the Habs are even entertaining trading the 3rd overall pick (and they conceivably could do some really stupid thing like draft Tkachuk at 3rd because “character”) and exhibits B-Z are basically every other draft in history. Nobody would’ve expected, for example, Timothy Liljegren to have gone 17th last year when he had been getting hype as a potential 1st overall a year before until he got mono. Nobody in their right mind would have counseled the Bruins to pass over Barzal, Connor, and Kylington  in 2015 but oh woops, they did. The draft is full of ridiculous surprises, and even the Rangers last year can be seen as evidence that sometimes GMs go a little out there in making their picks. It happens, and it invariably benefits some other team who was hoping their guy would fall anyways.

So I know this isn’t going to satisfy everyone, myself included, who wanted Dahlin in Rangers blue more than anything, but you’ve got to look on the bright side in life. It’s not great luck to pick 9th, but it isn’t terrible either, and if you just stick to the three basic reassurances above you’ll be sane enough in time for the actual draft when it happens in June.

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63 comments

  1. Richter1994 says:

    I guess anything can happen and we should not assume that GMs know what they are doing, but Wahlstrom dropping to 9th is slim to none. I would be thrilled to get him but I don’t see it.

    I was looking into Farabee, a smaller player but I keep reading that he is a tireless worker on the ice, with a lot of skill, the kind of overall player that Gorton is looking for in general.

    • Walt says:

      Tony

      Farabee could be had in the latter part of the first, or early second. I don’t see him earlier because JG has said he wants to be harder to play against, and this kid is a smurf!!!

      • Richter1994 says:

        But a talented smurf bro, lol.

        I seem to remember another smurf that played here a couple of years ago, he was pretty decent. What’s his name? Martin something or other? He had 3 names…

        • Walt says:

          Tony

          MSL was an exception, wouldn’t you say?

          I see this draft as filling many needs this team has, but certain players would just look so much better in Ranger blue!!!

          • Richter1994 says:

            I love Wahlstrom, but he’s not going to be there at 9. Neither is Tkachuk. You have to draft players that are available, not who you want.

            Besides, I do not think that size is as important as it was years ago. This guy evidently plays from whistle to whistle and plays hard.

            How tough is Kevin Hayes at 6’4″? lol

    • Lace says:

      I like the Tkachuk kid. His father was a great player, and his brother Matt is a 50 point per year winger right now going into his 3rd pro season. Matt is a few years older but Brady is going to be a bit bigger when he fills in. They are about the same size right now. Brady plays a strong 2-way game with some skill and a ton of room to grow. He loves to operate in the tough areas so to me this is the safe pick at #9 if he’s there.

      Personally I think the defense is a bigger need but drafting for need in the 1st round is a dicey situation. Unless there is defenseman they think can be a top 4 rearguard in the next couple years, in my humble opinion I’d go with the safe pick like Brady Tkachuk. At the least he should end up being a solid middle six winger that forces the play and battles without the puck. If Montreal were crazy enough to trade the #3 overall pick, Zadina looks like a sure thing and would make a lovely top scoring line with Chytil for years to come.

      • Richter1994 says:

        Tkachuk is going to go in the top 4, at least I think so anyway.

        I love Zadina and Wahlstrom. AZ is a legit trading partner for the Rangers and they could get Wahlstrom at #5 if they traded up with the Yutes. Yutes want a vet winger for Stepan, which screams ZUC.

        Zuc and the #9 for the 5th pick?

  2. Walt says:

    Oliver Wahlstrom would be wonderful if we could land the kid, and sillier things have happened in the past where GM’s make some stupid moves, so I will not panic. A shot at the top three is way out there, but who knows what the Habs are in need of. A package could be put together that may meet their needs, and a deal is done. If not, life goes on, we will get some quality kids in this draft, that’s all that counts!!!!

    • sherrane says:

      Wahlstrom being drafted by the Rangers wouldn’t require any “silliness”. NHL Central Scouting game him a final rank of #7 North American skater. The last four players with that grade were drafted #10 (Owen Tippett, Florida), #11 (Logan Brown, Ottawa), #7 (Ivan Provorov, Philadelphia), and #10 (Nick Ritchie, Anaheim).

      My question are Rangers fans “panicking” or just disappointed to realize missing the playoffs wasn’t what many envisioned it could be? Boston and Nashville winning their series this round would be the worst that could happen, giving the Rangers the #27 pick and 28th or later. The dreams of a quick rebuild in the draft will give way to dreams of signing Tavares.

  3. Reenavipul says:

    The idea that this draft is deep escapes me.

    Watching the U18 tourney, all I saw was that the best players were 2019s or 2020s and that the 2018 players are a bunch of middle 6 bottom 4 D types beyond the top6 forwards.
    When you’re as high as the Rangers are(which isn’t high enough) you need to draft sure things, then stretch on the later picks.

    A sure thing is a guy who has all the basics, even if he doesn’t have much upside. The stretches are guys with elite skill, but missing on size, or weight, or skating. The last two you can fix.

    • Chris A says:

      Wouldn’t the best draft eligible players for 2018 already have graduated to the U20 squads that played in the WJC at the end of 2017?

  4. SalMerc says:

    Picking 9th gets us another middle 6 forward

  5. agentsmith says:

    what scares me are the ones making the picks. I can totally see them taking someone ranking 25th at 9 because their father was a navy seal or something. and bring in the father to present the pick.

  6. amy says:

    we are picking ninth in the draft hopefully there will be some good pieces at this time remember we picked andersson with the 7th pick he is good

    • Jerry says:

      I agree Amy.
      He filled a need we had. I think he will be better than many here give him credit for.
      No one can question his desire to win. Something that was missing here. He is a very good hockey player with loads of character. Think Dan Boyle and he is the exact opposite.
      He will eventually wear a ‘Letter’ for this club.

  7. Mikeyyy says:

    Gorton gets an f on the draft from me if he doesn’t move up to a top 3 pick.

    • Walt says:

      Mikeyyy

      Come on my man, would you give away your pick if you had a top 3? Didn’t think so!!!! We’ll be fine even drafting at the #9 position…………….

      • Mikeyyy says:

        We just got done talking for weeks about needing a generational talent to rebuild on.

        A retool will not win a cup. No top 3 is a fail in this years draft.

        And yes if the package is right everything is for sale.

        We are in a unique position that we haven’t been in for years. We are loaded on young talent, draft picks and cap space.

        What else do you need to move up in the draft ?

        • mike says:

          Answer: You need someone willing to dance with you.

          You really want to overpay for a top 3 pick? Wasting all of the assets we have accumulated for the potential of a Andrei Svechnikov or Filip Zadina?

          We bitch when we trade young assets for established High Quality Vets and you want to roll the dice on kids that have yet prove anything at the highest level?

    • Jerry says:

      Mikeyy,

      JG can have a terrific draft even where we are. We have a number of high picks, something very foreign to us Ranger fans.
      I feel will will move up, maybe not to any of the top three and like my friend Walt said, would you trade away any of this years top three? I think not.

      I think JG has done a great job so far.

      The only complaint I have is that he didn’t can AV earlier.

    • James1090 says:

      That’s a ridiculous standard. Why would any of the teams in the top 3 give up there position?

    • sherrane says:

      So what do you give up to move from #9 into the top 3? All three first round picks in this draft is not enough ammunition to get it done.

      * The Rangers get two of the last five picks in the 1st round if Boston and Nashville advance to the Conference Finals.

      * The Rangers will get the two of the last six picks if Tampa, Vegas, and Washington advance to the Conference finals (Boston will get #26 and #27 will be the Nashville / Winnipeg loser).

      * #24 is the earliest that Boston’s 1st rounder can be and we’ll need Pittsburgh, San Jose, and Tampa to advance to the Conference Finals.

      So what prospect will you give up to get into the top 3 to avoid giving yourself an “F” grade?

      • Mikeyyy says:

        I’d consider zucc 2 late firsts and a 2nd

        Maybe a goalie prospect

        • John says:

          Not happening. Although the Rangers would do it in a New York minute.

        • sherrane says:

          Wait! If the Rangers had, say, the #2 overall, would YOU trade it for Zuc, the #24 (at best) and #28 (at best) and a 2nd? Tampa will pick #27 if Boston and Nashville advance to the Conference Finals, but then Boston picks no worse than #28. You’d probably get fired for making that deal.

          Zuc has little to no value for the teams picking in the top 3 because he is on the wrong side of 30 and his numbers have begun to decline (in each of the last two seasons). He’s worth a 2nd or 3rd round pick to Buffalo, Carolina, or Montreal. He was worth more at the deadline to teams like Tampa, Boston, Pittsburgh, etc.

          Goalie prospect? The Rangers only have one under contact (Georgiev). Halverson may have reached his ceiling and would be a throw-in at this point. Huska and Wall play is encouraging in Hockey East, but they are still considered late round goalie prospects who may get a cup of coffee in the NHL at this point, so they are throw-ins as well. Your only real commodity in net is Shestyorkin (who might save your GM job).

          I stated that I seriously doubted the Rangers three 1st rounders were enough to get into the top 3. You don’t add value by taking the best asset off the table and replace it with mediocrity.

  8. Andy says:

    I think at 9 we will be fine. I would certainly hope we look to move up, but there is a point where you say no.You can only justify giving away so much to move up.

    Look at the numbers. We all know the top 3 projected players. And the odds of getting any of these teams to trade that will be slim at best. I was reading The Habs would consider moving the #3.(considering some of the things they do MC D for Gomez, Shergachev for Drouin, Subban for Weber) trading with them would be our best bet. Even they will want a Kings ransom though. The next 5 will be some combination of Tkachuk-Dobson-Bouchard-Hughes-Wahlstrom or Boqvist. Leaving one of these players available for us to get at the #9 spot. And I think it’s fair to say all of these folks are Elite talent. If you think about it how much would you give up to go from Wahlstrom to Tkachuk?or Boqvist to Hughes? I don’t know the answer. But I am fairly certain we are going to end up with an elite caliber player in the first round. If you look at Craig Buttons assessment he adds Jesperi Kotkaniemi as Chicago’s pick and he ranks 19 on SN top 31. We may actually have to decide between a D man r a wing.

    The bottom line, this is all good news.

    • Mancunian Candidate says:

      Man, a player like Ehlers or Sergachev would be perfect for NYR. Thanks for the note of hope among all the cliffjumpers.

      • Chris A says:

        If you need a little more hope, look back to 1986 where the Rangers grabbed the best player in the entire draft at #9 overall.

        • Mancunian Candidate says:

          I’m very optimistic about this draft. Duncan Keith was a 2nd rounder, Erik Karlsson a 15th overall selection, Anze Kopitar went 10th overall. I’d say all these guys were fine value for their selections. There’ll be talent available for all 3 NYR first-round picks.

    • sherrane says:

      Why stop at the last 5?

      2012: Jacob Trouba (there have been discussions about acquiring him).
      2011: Dougie Hamilton (see above)
      2010: Mikael Granlund (took a while to get going, but 47-89-136 in last two seasons)
      2009: Jared Cowen (out of league)
      2008: Josh Bailey
      2007: Logan Couture

  9. joen7 says:

    I would sit a 9. If we do trade I’d like to do what we did last year keep our pick and package Zuc for another pick in the top 10.

  10. cthockeyman says:

    Putting the 9th pick aside for a moment, if I were JG I would contact the Canes and see if Zucc, the Boston 1st round pick and the 2nd rounder we picked up from the Devils is enough for Noah Hanifin.

    • tanto says:

      Would prefer we use all those assets and grab another Top 10 pick if possible. I think we need higher end forwards at this point more than another LD … maybe Montreal is a good target because I don’t think they’ve bought in fully on a rebuild.

      • Njb45 says:

        As a ranger fan who lives in North Carolina ,the rumor mill down here is Faulk, TVR and Skinner are for sale. Those are the 3 assets they would move ,the top prospects coming up are wings and D-man. Center is a big weakness and goalie prospects.

    • sherrane says:

      I was thinking along these lines before the top 3 draft order was announced. I was thinking they’d move Hanifin for some forward assets if they got the #1 and were set to draft Dahlin. If they didn’t their LD would be Dahlin, Slavin, and Hanifin with Dahlbeck being the odd man out and Haydn Fleury (#7 overall in 2014) expected to eventually break into the lineup.

      Carolina needs forwards. They are drafting exactly where they wanted to be. I suspect they’ve already made Andrei Svechnikov’s sweater for draft day.

  11. Leatherneck says:

    One of Wahlstrom, Dobson or Bouchard will be available at 9
    Any of the three players will be a good get with obviously Wahlstrom the most important need for this team.

    Where the draft is going to be talked about are latter 1st round picks all the way to 4th round. This is the make or break. Drafting Akil Thomas or Ryan Merkley over Dominic Bokk, Ty Dellandrea or Martin Kaut is my biggest concern.

  12. Resident Genius says:

    Just a thought. Would you give up all seven picks in the first 3 rounds for the Number One Pick?

    • Leatherneck says:

      No way…..not in this draft….No

    • Hatrick Swayze says:

      All depends on the #1 pick. For every McDavid, there’s a bevy of Yakupovs….

    • Reenavipul says:

      No, as the Rangers will have around 38 players on their 50 man roster. They’ll need multiple seasons of accumulating picks to start approaching a stable roster size to enable trading prospects for proven talent.

    • Richter1994 says:

      For this one? For Dahlin? Yes.

  13. czech!!! says:

    The problem with your article is that the Rangers are one of those teams that passes the Connor, Barzals of the world. DM in 2010 over Tarasenko and Fowler. Ad JG last year . Passing on Middelstadt for Ansersson was a stupid move as well.

  14. SalMerc says:

    Not so sure we have enough assets (or a trading partner) to move up from 9, but we could add Zucc and our second rounders to grab another (late) first rounder. This may be the better way to go in adding quality players to the roster. The top 3 players (to me) are high quality resources for 2019. The rest are in the show-me state.

  15. Odielicious says:

    Look for what it is worth Zuc was hated by torts. He really only made the team with AV. I love the little hobbit. But he is a player that has to have his game at 125% all the time to be successful. Just like St. Louis. He has to prove every game he deserves to be here. I just don’t think there is any motivation for the hobbit to keep playing hard for us. We have traded away every player he liked since he had been here. Personality wise he should get moved. A fresh start for him could do wonders for his career. But if I being selfish I want him here to show the kids how hard he works every shift just to compete. I just don’t think we saw that at all last year in him.

    I honestly don’t care where we draft as long as we maintain all of those picks and actually use them. I don’t want to see the front office give away 3 picks to get a higher pick. Like the article says the draft is a crapshoot. I feel the more times you stick your hand in the water the more likely you will come up with a fish. Did anyone know Hank was going to be Hank? Did they see Fast as who he has become? There are so many factors to becoming a solid NHL player. It isn’t just pick the most talented player and poof you have a winning franchise…especially with this franchise’s luck.

    I do think the front office has realized the value of a good minor league team and coach and proper weight training. Very few players come into the league now straight from the draft. Most 1st and 2nd round picks do 2 or 3 years in the minors then come up. I feel with most of them the talent is there it is just about getting to the physical size the NHL demands from them for a grueling 82 game season. Vesey is a perfect example…he should have been in the minors for 2 seasons to bulk up. Most games he looks like a child among men. I feel this offseason will determine the rest of his career. If he really works hard like hayes did that 2nd offseason and bulk up he will stay in the league. Otherwise he will bounce around the league til he ends up in europe.

  16. chrisqct says:

    Anywhere in the top 10 is good. It all depends on who you end up picking anyway, and what other GM’s do in front of you. JG just can’t blow it like some other past GM’s have before. It’s a deep draft… that’s not just a bunch of fake news to screw the NYR. My guess is that JG picks someone that’s good, but with an obviously better player still sitting there.

    It’s a lottery pick. We’re didn’t choose #9 or anything. If you’re worried already, and nothing has even happened yet, then sorry but I think you’re spending too much time on message boards and comment sections.

  17. Richter1994 says:

    I think the real issue with picking 9th is the need that the Rangers have.

    As much as we are starving for defense, I think Gorton has addressed that issue and will continue to address that issue in the offseason, the real need is a top end offensive player.

    Can the Rangers get that player at 9? Maybe, but the real “can’t miss” offensive players are Sven-whatever, Zadina, Tkachuk, and Wahlstrom, all probably gone by the 9th pick.

    It reminds me of the football draft when there were 5 “can’t miss” players and the Giants drafted 6th that year, lol.

  18. Njb45 says:

    As a ranger fan who lives in North Carolina ,the rumor mill down here is Faulk, TVR and Skinner are for sale. Those are the 3 assets they would move ,the top prospects coming up are wings and D-man. Center is a big weakness and goalie prospects.

  19. Peter says:

    I would not despair. Gorton got several very nice young prospects at the deadline along with a bunch of picks. If they draft wisely, even at #9 they will add a few more excellent young players. They will then have next year’s draft to add a few more.

    The instant rebuild is a fantasy. It is going to take a little time for pieces to fall into place. It is going to be a three year process where they get better as they fit into the lineup young people that they develop and others they trade for or sign. Patience.

    • Walt says:

      Peter

      Unfortunately there are too many that exhibit zero patience at all!!!!!!!!!

      Let’s see what the hell happens before we start bit*hing about what we did, or didn’t do……………………….

  20. Reenavipul says:

    Boqvist, he who has had two concussions and can’t actually defend? Forget him.

    • Richter1994 says:

      But if the teams in front of the Rangers perceive him to be a good pick, then by all means.

  21. Eugene says:

    It’s indeed deep draft, but no player in Rangers reach could chip in next season…. but on another side next draft is also pretty deep 🙂

  22. Bloomer says:

    With Alaina gone, can the Rangers start building a team with players who play with fire in their bellies.

  23. ikemauiman says:

    I wish we would do something that I think they could pull off considering what Buffalo is doing they need more than just 1 player and I think this would do it, our 1st and the Tampa 1st, the Boston 2nd and both 3rd picks, Georgiev and Gilmore and maybe 1 of the other d-men (the kids) I think this would get it done and Dahlin makes more sense for us and we would still have some good picks left

  24. Moose Klein says:

    Is Baker Mayfield still available? I hear the Rangers brain trust really liked him at the combine….