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The fear of a “quick turnaround”

April 21, 2018, by

john tavares

When it comes to a rebuild, there seem to be two approaches. The first is the complete tear down and build through the draft and trades. The second is leveraging current assets and bringing in new faces to help be the complement to what already exists. The latter, at least from what I’ve seen, rarely works. The former does work, but not all the time. Indeed, there is an element of luck involved with every rebuild.

The Rangers, though, appear to be merging the two strategies. After selling off many assets at the deadline, they acquired a bunch of picks and prospects that will help them in the long haul of a rebuild. Three first round picks, several high floor prospects, and promotion of existing prospects are the building blocks of a competitor.

However the Rangers also acquired a pair of mid-20’s players in Ryan Spooner and Vlad Namestnikov. Both are solid players who can be great pieces for a competing team. Couple that with a potentially elite Pavel Buchnevich and Filip Chytil, and another high floor player in Lias Andersson, and the forward group –believe it or not– doesn’t need too much tinkering.

The rebuild is really on the blue line, in the coaching staff, and in development of young players. Right now Brady Skjei is the top guy on the blue line. Unless the Rangers get Rasmus Dahlin, they won’t have an elite player on the blue line. That part will take time.

Which brings me to leveraging current assets and bringing in new faces. With oodles of cap space, the Rangers are always primed to make a run at someone like John Tavares, filling that true elite 1C need. Players like him don’t come around that often. With Erik Karlsson available –and possibly cheaper than he should be if Bobby Ryan needs to be packaged with him– there are two game changers that can turn the Rangers around quickly.

That however, is a dangerous game to play. Can you find a coach that can both develop young kids and compete in the same breath? Can the Rangers both find time for youngsters and lean on high priced free agents/trades? It’s a dangerous gamble, since so many things need to go right so quickly.

Personally, I avoid Karlsson like the plague. It’s not the right fit at the moment. If there’s a big splash to be made, someone like Dougie Hamilton in Calgary would be my target. Tavares I’m on the fence about, because it’s rare someone like him becomes available.

Naturally this is all conjecture, as any plan can change if the Rangers land Dahlin at the draft. We likely won’t get any idea of their plans until then. April 28 is one week away, and at that point we may have a clearer guess as to where the Rangers are headed in their offseason strategy.

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94 comments

  1. Richter1994 says:

    The fear of a “quick turnaround”

    Don’t be scared…

    • James1090 says:

      Agreed. This team can be a playoff team next season with the right moves.

    • Leatherneck says:

      Screw the quick turn around,,,,doesn’t work

      be different to expect a different result….we’ve been here too many times

      • Richter1994 says:

        so please, share with me how not picking consistently in the top 5 is going to do the trick?

        Name me 5 elite players the Rangers have drafted in the last 30 years. And then tell me how the draft is going to get us a Cup.

        Not one offensive drafted Ranger in the last 30 years was elite. Not one. But yet, some of you are totally convinced that this is the way to go.

        Isles took this path, and how many playoffs in the last 10 years? 2? And they had better drafting positions than the Rangers.

        It all comes down to proper management of talent and the cap. Vegas is a total mish mosh of vets and yet they are in the 2nd round of the playoffs. In their first year of existence.

        The NHL is total parity and one or two elite players can make the difference in putting a team over the top.

        • wwpd says:

          think it takes at least one more year to sort it out though given the current state of the roster. sign whomever you like, i don’t think they’re competing for the cup this time next year. if you have to tackle some high cost UFAs, 2019 might be the better option and one more year in a better draft position couldn’t hurt either.

          • Richter1994 says:

            there’s no quick fix for anything, agreed, but sitting here thinking that the Rangers are going to put 20 year olds on the ice to let them grow to try and win a Cup, it ain’t happening.

            • wwpd says:

              the GM flat out said as much. but i wouldn’t lock down the high cost, long term part of the roster right away. there’s plenty of short term veteran talent out there to make it through the upcoming season.

        • Mikeyyy says:

          Tony Amonte, Doug Weight, Sergei Zubov, Alexei Kovalev

          Just listing off a few.

          Next question how many top first round picks have the rangers had in 30 years?

          9 of those 30 years were ones we had a pick at the top of the draft.

          Have we won a cup since?

          The overhaul doesn’t work.

          Proper picks in the upper part of the draft gives us a better chance than this garbage overhaul.

          • Richter1994 says:

            1994, the Rangers traded their young players and won a Cup.

            2013-14 the Rangers had predominately vets and almost won a Cup.

            AZ is in perpetual rebuilding mode with no end in sight.

            Isles are in perpetual rebuilding mode with no end in sight.

            Buffalo is in perpetual rebuilding mode with no end in sight.

            Oilers have 5 #1 overall picks in the last 10 years with no end in sight.

            • wwpd says:

              Oirlers should be banned from drafting #1

            • Reenavipul says:

              Arizona has actually turned the corner. They were free money betting wise from February on, their farm club is the #1 seed in the West.

              They’ll be a cinch to make the playoffs next year as the Pacific is a hot mess beyond Vegas.

              • Richter1994 says:

                But until they actually win then we’ll see my friend.

                I personally hope they do. They’ve gotten screwed by the NHL’s bias towards Canadian teams.

              • Reenavipul says:

                Went 17-13-3 from Feb. 1st, 8-6-1 against playoff teams. If they played at that pace over a season, they would’ve been the 8th seed in the West

      • Moose Klein says:

        How can we discuss any strategy when every key element is a mystery…whose the new coach; does the Gorton brain trust really know what they are doing? the draft? using the cap cash wisely? the team toughness is non-existent….the blue line is a sieve…goal scorers?…a bad farm system….Lundquist is aging and still can’t handle the puck, control rebounds and can be spectacular and garbage in the same game…back-ups suspect
        We went from 100+ point team to a mediocre team in one year and after the purge have no clue what to expect. I am not impressed with Nemestnikov or Spooner based on their play in the final weeks of the season…Buchnevich may be a pipedream.
        If I sound pessimistic after 58 years, it’s because I have lived through endless change and promises and even when we finally win the Cup the league goes on strike the next season to rob us of the residual fall hoopla to celebrate.

  2. Ray says:

    I think you give the forwards too much credit. Unlike most here, ignoring the fiasco this year, I think that the defense has been better than what the Pens won the Cup with. Of course, the Pens have incredible forwards, but even if you compare the curent Rangers to other recent Cup winners, they are not in the same world. I agree that Chityl may be elite, but that is it. Buch is promising, he may even be a legit first liner, but he is not going to be elite. I see Namestnikov as overpaid beginning the coming season as a consequence of better numbers than value. And no one except Chityl is close to a #1 center.

    But I really think the pitfalls of moving too fast are easy to spot. Long term goals are simple – amass and develop prospects, don’t put yourself in a cap bind 3-4 years down the road. Since you can develop prospects in Hartford, guys in the way are not such a big problem.

    • Mintgecko says:

      I think Chytil is going to turn out like a better version of Hertl right now. Calling him a potential elite is alright but a #1 is just a lol moment for me. Lol no wonder you don’t want to embrace the quick fix and I will assume that you don’t want to see JT get signed here this summer.

      Lovejoy, Cole, Letang etc was better than ADA, Skjei and Gilmor.

  3. Mikeyyy says:

    Could be because it’s never worked. Fear the overhaul, embrace the rebuild.

  4. Joe from Newburgh says:

    Just out of curiosity, why would you avoid Karlsson like the plague?

    • Richter1994 says:

      I don’t know what it takes to realize that you can’t win a Cup without elite or near elite players. Not all of them but at least one or two.

      Our elite player is in goal who cannot influence play on the ice.

      I’m not pining for Karlsson because I would rather have Trouba or Hamilton because of their ages, but if we got the guy without gutting the team, then who should complain? He’s a game changer, someone we haven’t had since Leetch and Zubov.

      • James1090 says:

        The Rangers would be stupid to not at least inquire about Tavares. He’s the type of elite center you need to be a contender.

        • Richter1994 says:

          Common thinking wold be why would he sign here? And a month ago I would have agreed 100%.

          But lately there are “rumblings” that just maybe the Rangers would have a shot at him. Guaranteed, they would make him the C and being the C of an original 6 team is still a big deal. Not to mention the money and the chance to feed Kovy.

          • gene4240 says:

            San Jose will make a big run at #91

            • JoeS says:

              San Jose is 3000 miles away from his current home and not NY.

              • gene4240 says:

                agreed but The Sharks will make a big run at Taveras but John will not sign their…Putting aside being a Ranger fan here, number 91 at the garden makes so much sense if Taveras does make the decision to leave the Islanders…..Red Wings will also make a run at him, but not going to contend anytime soon either….maple Leafs? no way…have too many young players to sign soon…

        • Mancunian Candidate says:

          For all the talk of Tavares’ “elite” status, it certainly hasn’t brought the Islanders any sustained success in his long career with them. Tavares’ team has won one playoff series in 9 years in the league. They have made the playoffs only three times in his nine seasons. If those results embody the type of high-impact elite play worth a $9 million annual salary, I’ll take a pass.

          • Richter1994 says:

            JT may not be elite but he’s better than Zib and having a Tavares-Zib #1/#2 would make the Rangers a vastly different and formidable team.

      • Reenavipul says:

        For all the points he put up, he’s on the ice for just as many goals against.

      • Njb45 says:

        All talk i see out of Calgary is Brodie is the likely Defenseman to be dealt. Hamilton is open for discussion, but think they try to move Brodie first. All depends on the return they can get for him. But I would take Dougie over Trouba.

    • Dave says:

      That’s a post for tomorrow 😉

    • tanto says:

      He has 1 year left on his contract and then is a UFA … I grab him ONLY if I think there’s a deadline deal that might make us better (in other words we get more for him at the deadline then we give up for him at the draft). I highly doubt that’s possible unless as some suggest, we take on Bobby Ryan’s contract.

      Regardless, why not just wait until he’s a UFA — although in truth I agree with Richter, I would prefer Hamilton or Trouba and I assume Hamilton will be a lot less costly (and so far has been better offensively than Trouba).

    • Spozo says:

      An injury prone defenseman who’s greatest asset is his mobility? Yup AVOID!

  5. Johnny Red says:

    I agree with you! I have wanted this team to rebuild my whole life, the worst thing they could do is go after Karlsson. I am also on the fence on Tarvares. If it was any other team but the Islanders maybe. If he signed with us there would be the constant questions on leaving the Islanders and going to the hated rival. We all know the press, it wouldn’t stop!
    I’ve said this on this site before: I’ve waited since 1963 to see this team do a total rebuild. PLEASE DON’T SCREW IT UP GORTON! I don’t know why but I have a feeling we are going to win the draft lottery. I know it sounds crazy because this team usually never gets any breaks but it keeps happening. I told my younger brother and he says I’m NUTS! I can’t believe I’m saying it myself.
    I sure hope I’m right but I doubt it, it would be just too good to be true. Did you all know since 1967 we have had only one pick in the top 4, amazing isn’t it.

    • tanto says:

      Depends if the fix is in and Montreal wins it. 😉

      • Rich S says:

        always a possibility…..

        • BOBBY B says:

          Rich S, on the continued conversation for toughness, being uncomfortable to play against!! Former Ranger great Steve Vickers was on NHL Radio the other day, being interviewed by Matthew Barnaby & Steve Koulis. The subject of the cheap head shots, sticks used as weapons, dirty knee to knee hits came up. Barnaby said that if an opposing player ever took liberties with a finesses Buffalo Sabre player, after the deed was done, Barnaby, Rob Ray, Brad May & Bob Bougner would get together between periods and discuss how pay back was going to be delivered.. So that a very clear message was sent to the opposition. Barnaby then asked Vickers who was the guy or guy’s for the Rangers who they looked to to deliver payback when he was playing, 15 seconds of silence, then” WE DID NOT HAVE THAT GUY!!!.” Then you could hear Vickers frustration, He played on Ranger team with Ratelle, Giacomin , Park, Gilbert, that had more talent then the Flyer Teams that won back to back Cups, he gave credit to the FLYER’S skilled players, but called the other half of the team goons, their sole purpose was to intimidate and fight. He would go into Philly knowing his job was to score goals. but he also knew a fight was also in the cards, thus it threw off the entire teams game. He blamed the head coach EMILE FRANCIS, ( WHO REMINDS ME SO MUCH OF AV) he wanted to play the game the finesse way, while the Flyers intimidated the Rangers into submission. How Ironic 44 years later, the Rangers still have the same problem of being a SOFT TEAM!!! The hockey god’s were cruel, if Nicky Fotiu was born 5 years earlier, and is on the 73/74 NY Rangers we win at least 1 CUP!!

          • tanto says:

            Wait a minute, we had Dale Rolfe … no, strike that. lol

          • JoeS. says:

            Yea that’s it! Let’s build a 1970s style team, yes!

            In 2018, then we can all throw away our cell phones and watch 9 channels on TV, it will be great!

          • Rich S says:

            Bobby B,
            Thank you for the recap of the conversation and a trip down ”’soft memory lane”’. Yep, having Fotiu would have been great……..and probably the difference maker since Schultz has confessed that he feared Fotiu , and i dont think they ever had a fight. BUT, you are right Emile Francis was PATHETIC…….I blame him since he was coach and GM. He traded away or let walk away Jim Dorey, Steve Durbano, Moose Dupont, Battleship Kelly, Curt Bennet, Dennis Hextall, Billy Plager……….I can go on forever……….Imagine playing the flyers with those guys in the lineup!!!!!! And that IMBECILE Francis did not even dress Bert Wilson for those playoff games!!!!!!! Remember the beating he gave ted harris of the flyers?????
            Needing toughness is so important in hockey, especially the playoffs!!!!!!
            When John Ferguson was GM thats when we had Fotiu and Hospodar and Kotsopolus and we made the finals……I dont like Rod Gilbert because he ”supposedly” did not like Ferguson and got him fired! But he built a terrific team and we should have not dismantled it for Beck……..
            Watch ,,,,,Bruin – Winnipeg final ……two of the biggest toughest teams………

        • tanto says:

          Rich, the fact that the NHL does the lottery in darkness has always worried me. I see no reason why they can’t do it in front of witnesses — Gary Bettman is shady af. 😉

          • Rich S says:

            as shady as david stern…….see kings/lakers 2002 RIGGED series……..they wanted the lakers in the finals!!!!! Refs were told who had to win!!!

    • Walt says:

      Johnny

      Thumbs up for your post. I agree 100000000%, I would avoid the names mentioned period. Karlsson is poor defensively, and injury prone. Who needs Bobby Ryan, he is washed up, please no way on him. With all the talent being available in the upcoming draft, with go after recycled garbage.

      Tavares has done zippo for the Fishsticks, why invest a huge amount of money on him, no please don’t sign him as well. We have traveled this road too many times, can’t we just try the rebuild just once, the other route has failed us with only one cup since 1940.

      I would hold my picks and try to make a deal for Trouba, or another quality right d-man. Nashville has a stable of quality d-men, try them, or develop our own. What a novel concept! They are hard to find, but the’re out there. If The Great One could be traded, so can Jake!

      For the life of me, why do people insist on making the same mistakes over, and over again????????

  6. SalMerc says:

    Embrace the quick turnaround. Add the 1st rounders and buy elite. Let the picks learn the NHL game in the AHL so the can help in January.

    Our defense needs a stud. Hoping we pick a player who can make an impact quickly. Move mediocre players, we don’t need them.

  7. Jerry says:

    Dave,
    No matter how many on here wish it, JT will not sign with the Rangers even IF he leaves the Islanders for free agency. There are a couple of reason I feel this way.
    1. Why leave one club not ready to win the ultimate prize for another? One can make a case the Islanders are actually closer than the Rangers. He’s getting paid no matter where he goes.
    2.Class. He would be showing a great deal of disrespect to the Team that signed him and he has played for, since he was drafted, 2009 I believe, to sign with their most bitter rivals. The guy has too much class. He’s the exact opposite of Bobby Holik.

    • tanto says:

      I agree, he’s stated in the not so distant past that the Rangers are his most hated team. Unless the Islanders really slight him, I can’t see him burning them to that extent by signing with their major rival. There would need to be some real animus for something like that to happen.

  8. tanto says:

    I wouldn’t turn down a quick rebuild if the price is right and the players obtained made sense. I don’t think that happens this summer, I think it could happen next summer when guys like Seguin and Panarin are UFA’s. The 2019 UFA class has younger UFA’s and that’s where I would set my sights.

    • Emile the Cat says:

      That makes sense, but if Kovalchuk is coming here then you’re basically wasting a precious year of his production. If the process is to proceed slowly and build with young people then Kovy is totally extraneous and just a wasted signing.

      • Reenavipul says:

        You still have to try and compete.

        I don’t give two hoots if Kovy has wasted effort or not. He’ll get paid if he produces. If it works for the team, great! If it doesn’t work, you trade him away and actively steer the car into the ditch.

        You just have to know whether to fish or cut bait by Thanksgiving.

        • Emile the Cat says:

          You forget, he will have more than just a few suitors to sign with. He’s not signing anywhere without a NMC, especially with a 2-3 year contract.

          If the team is moving slowly and deliberately then I don’t want an AAV of 6 mil holding the team back from other signings.

          • Reenavipul says:

            No, he doesn’t.

            He wants to play in New York and the way the CBA is written, nobody in their right mind is giving any 35 year old a multi-year deal, let alone a NMC. Don’t know why Toronto did it with Marleau, but nobody else does either.

            It’s a one party auction.

            • tanto says:

              One of my fears with him is that he’s had a few run ins with coaches, like the one over in St. Pete. Not sure if he’s the right type to play under a “new” NHL coach if we go that route.

              Re: a 1 party auction … he’s a prideful guy, he’s going to want those 2 years and he’s going to look for something price-wise like Radulov’s deal.

  9. Bloomer says:

    Agreed no Karlsson ever. The Bruins did a retool and it worked out fine for them. The Oilers on the otherhand did a tear down and they are in loserville pergotory.

    Good coaching will be paramount for the Ranger club going forward. I don’t believe they should take a gamble with a rookie coach who is trying to learn the ropes of the NHL. He would be eaten alive.

    • Reenavipul says:

      Here’s the thing about Karlsson: over the last 7 seasons at 5v5, he’s a +5 in goals for. He’s a relative Corsi for of 4.71. His xG is -.17. His last 3, -15(most of that from this season), relCF 4.98, xG-5.44.

      In other words, even at his best, he didn’t really move the needle. Why would you give up anything for a guy who doesn’t move the needle, let alone pay him crazy money who is aging out of his prime?

  10. Czech!!! says:

    Ah yes. Decades come and go but the Rangers ? They continue to implement the definition of insanity strategy. Doesn’t matter who the owners are, the GMs, its still all about quick this , quick that. Tge funny thing is if you commit to a rebuild , it wont take 54 years or the 25 year and counting we are in now.

    The key though is having the right managerial talent and scouting. It also helps to have the right coach. People always bring up Edmonton but they failed for years because of poor management, and poor coaching. They never drafted a dman when in position to and never traded any of their young players for a slightly older more established player.

    No one ever talks about the Blackhawks and their successful rebuild or the Kings and theirs.

    • Walt says:

      Well stated, and agree!!!!!!!

    • Njb45 says:

      Speaking of Edmonton, if much rather attempt to swindle them out of Drasaitl if we could. Oilers are gonna be in cap hell

      • Reenavipul says:

        With the CAD at 78¢, the cap will be $80mm.

        The Oilers won’t be in cap Hell, but they still don’t have a defensive corps that’s work a box of donuts.

        Draisatl is now untouchable, but might to be able o get Puljujarvi out for an RD who can play right now.

        Unfortunately, the Rangers don’t have that kind of player.

        • Njb45 says:

          To get that D up to standard they will have to part with either Leon or RNH. Chiarelli makes some dumb moves. I would at the least attempt a move in him.

    • Richter1994 says:

      Bro:

      Pens, multiple #1 overall picks.
      Hawks, multiple #1 overall picks.
      Kings, they did a good job.

      Again, look at the Rangers’ drafting over the last 30 years and please tell me how that is going to be the strategy for winning a Cup.

      You want history? There’s youur history and facts.

      • JoeS says:

        I’m too old too wait for a complete rebuild. I say go the fast route! There is no garuntee either way, luck plays such a huge role in a four round best of seven playoff. I don’t want to wait to compete, let’s spend money on good guys and trade some picks, and draft some good young players and hope for some luck. I just don’t want to wait losing season after losing season just to find out that we drafted the wrong guys! I want the Cup next year!

        • Richter1994 says:

          A complete rebuild doesn’t work anyway. What team has won the Cup that didn’t need help from the outside to make them a contender?

          The Rangers are not drafting in the top 5 for the next 5 years. They may not this year, as bad as it was, lol.

        • Walt says:

          Joe S

          I’m not trying to bust your chops, but being too old as I am, you’ll remember this incomplete list of quick fixes:

          Marcel Dionne, Dan Boyle, Barry Beck, Pavel Bure, Johnny Bower, Phil Esposito, Theo Fleury, Marian Gaborik, Rick Nash, Mike Gartner, Boom Boom Geoffrion, Wayne Gretzky, Doug Harvey, Tim Horton, Jaromir Jgar, Jari kurri, Guy Lafleur, Eric Lindros, Jacques Plante, Luc Robitaille, Bobby Rousseau, Brendan Shanahan, MSL, Eric Staal, Brad Richards, Ulf Samualsson, and the list goes on forever.

          Bottom line, we tried it your way too many times, with one cup since 1940. Why not try to build young, and then fill in with vets when we’re ready to do some fine tuning????? Just my two cents worth……………….

          • Rich S says:

            Walt,
            You forgot about the Harold Starr trade in 1934……
            OK……OK……just kidding, you ain’t that old!!!! Right??

            • Walt says:

              Rich

              LOL, almost!!!!!!!!!!

              I’m not opposed to getting vets when we are ready to play as a very good team, for leadership, and guidance. No way do I see us putting 22 kids out on the ice, but I don’t want to go down the road of retreads, and soon to be wheelchair bound relics!!!!!! Unfortunately history tends to repeat itself……..

              • Rich S says:

                We need to get lucky on one of these picks…..
                Maybe like a Paval Datsyuk- 6th round…….or Daniel Alfredsson-also 6 th round!!!!
                My concern is that we are a very small and light team……and if you look around the Predators, Bruins, Caps, Jets are all BIG teams………and besides the lightening and pens all favorites…….
                Did you see Letangs Stick hit on Coutorier? Boy is letang one vicious, dirty player…….Reminds me of Steve Durbano……..except he wont fight!!!!

              • Walt says:

                Rich

                That’s the reason I love the Jets team, big, strong, fast skating, and plenty of skill to boot. That is the type of team I want, one that plays well, but won’t stand for getting pushed around.

                As for Latang, and the Pens as a team, filthy as hell, cheap shot artists, led by Cindy, and the NHL seems to protect these clowns. I’d love to see Latang become toothless by some big SOB just kicking the crap out of him!!!!!!!!

          • JoeS. says:

            I remember them all to well Walt. I’m not suggesting signing over the hill, used to be good veterans. I’m with you, but let’s not be afraid to bring in some “Vets” who may still be a few years from their expiration date, whether it be through trades or UFAs. Then do some serious drafting and get some skilled players to compliment them. Why should we wait 3-4 years to compete for the cup, let’s do it to get Henrik the cup he deserves.

            • Walt says:

              Joe

              I’m on the same page as you, as long as they go after the “Over the Hill gang”!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Blueshirt in Paris says:

            Some of those names ad memories just made me vomit a little coffee in my mouth. Too early to go back down that road!

      • Czech!!! says:

        Hey pal!

        But thats my point. We draft like garbage and we are always in the middle of the draft because of quick fixes that never lead to a championship. Hence my point about revamping the scouting staff and coaching. We still have the same dopes scouting that were here since Sather’s reign of error began. These are the same clowns who didnt draft Fowler, Tarasenko, Middlestadt this year and a number of others in the first round and other rounds. Ryan freaking Gropp?

        Yes it means possibly having to suck so bad that we get one of those #1 overall picks. And for the record , Malkin was a two and so was Toews. Doughty was a two as well.

        This season instead of tanking by btinging up the dregs from Hartford, they acquired players like Spooner and Names , players I am not sure will play. They should have fired AV immediately and replaced him with Arneil. They should have shut Hank down the rest of the season even if he did like it by making him the backup. That Carolina win cost us the 7th spot because Hank stood on his head. This isnt about hurting Hanks feelings. He needed to be the back up in all but 2-3 of the final games of the 20 they played. There was another couple of games that Hank stole two more points for us and that would have given us the 5th spot and a really good shot at one of the elite players.

        • Richter1994 says:

          ah, now I get what you’re saying.

          First off, Gorton has to be in complete control of whatever they do, give Sather an egg cream and tell him to stay out of the way.

          Then identify who you want on the team and at what price, trade cost and $$ for contract. Don’t force it if it ain’t there, that’s when they get into trouble.

          Bring in a younger, creative coach who will have a strong voice behind the bench.

          They can be good next year if they do it right.

          • Odielicious says:

            Just a quick question ….what is the right way to do it? Who does it the right way? What teams are consistently contenders without guys like Crosby, Toews, Kopitar, Stamkos?

            • Richter1994 says:

              The “right” way is being to identify talent, no matter the contract cost, for draft picks and free agent signings.

              A mix of both vets and young players can get the job done. A team of all young players will get buried in the playoffs.

        • Bloomer says:

          If the Rangers were looking for a first overall draft pick….Scott Arniel as head coach would of taken them there.

    • tanto says:

      The Blackhawks? They had a #3, a #7, a #3, a #1 and a #11 in successive years … that’s a LONG rebuild and not too impressive. The Kings were much more impressive having a #11, a #4, a #2 and a #5 — even more so when you consider that their #4 was Thomas Hickey (yawn).

      • wwpd says:

        three cups in six years argues that it was an impressive rebuild. that’s as many cups as our NYR have won since FDR was President.

  11. Jeffrey says:

    IMO the rebuild, restock re whatever will start behind the bench. Having a coach in sync with JG goes a long way in communicating effectively with the team. A standard of how to earn ice time inside a game plan lets all know what they will need to do to succeed. This goes for young as well as older roster members. I think that picking assistants should be a joint responsibility as well (JG and Coach).It should keep the lines of communication and ideas open. Final responsibility for on ice issues is coach, but the GM needs to be involved especially if team is not responding (think AV). The farm boys need cupas just to see how they progressed since being cut at training camp. Not for nothing, as a relative used today, its good to know what you need when the farm doesn’t seem to have the answer. At the draft get the winners. Same in free agency, not names that need big paydays without the resume.

  12. Jeffrey says:

    Thank you BSB, all, for being here and for you weathered insights. Makes it easier to live without being able to watch competitive hockey.

  13. Njb45 says:

    To get that D up to standard they will have to part with either Leon or RNH. Chiarelli makes some dumb moves. I would at the least attempt a move in him.

  14. Richter1994 says:

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00007089.html

    Read it and weep. But this is the way to go. “Stars” like Manny Malhotra one of the few Ranger draft picks to make 700 NHL games in a career.

    I’ll be dead 3 lifetimes over waiting for a Cup contender going this route. But I guess that I won’t have to worry about it any more, lol.

  15. Odielicious says:

    Ahh…it feels nice to have been laughed at by so many of you 3 or 4 months ago when I stated John Taveras is the rangers goal. Keep typing up JT please!

    It is really is not that hard to become a winning franchise. Nhl is not that complicated. Centers are all that matter. I am pretty sure Gorton and his crew know this. That is why they took a shot with Chytil and Andersson. Every consistent winning franchise has a good amount of center depth. And so did the Rangers. We had Stepan,Richards, Boyle, Moore, Hayes, Brassard Dubinsky. You can’t keep taking away parts and not replace them. Zib is the only replacement and he just hasn’t lived up to the hype. He is not a shut down number one. And he also isn’t a 1 man army.

    You guys with the Trouba and Karlsson or whoever haven’t figured out that Defensemen are secondary to a well placed back checking forward. Now if Nashville wins the cup this year that is a change in the sands. But for the last 10 years all cup winners had their elite talent at Center. Which without them the Defensemen that I know everyone will point to like Letang, Droughty, Keith, Seabrook, are really nothing special. How many MVPS has any of them gotten in the last 10 seasons during the regular season? Centers and good ones push the D back and open up space for their D to succeed. Create traffic in front to screen the goalies. The rangers on the other hand always asked their wingers to do it. Cause their centers are to small to be in front. So instead of Stepan you had Nash doing it. Instead of Zibenjad you had Krieder doing it. That doesn’t work.

    If we trade for a Defenseman oh well, just another season of crap hockey. So if you want a quick turnaround you better damn well hope we trade for a Center. Or sign JT. or Seguin or whoever else that we can get our hands on. We have 2 centers right now that are NHL ready. THat is it. You can’t compete with that. Last season is what you get no matter who the coach is with that amount of center depth. When we had 5 competent centers we made it to the finals. AMAZING how complex that is.

    Doubt me or feel otherwise please prove me wrong. Find a cup team that has weak center position besides the one I gave you guys. I forecasted that the next 3 years are going to be a struggle. Now that can only change if we sign a high end center.

    • King Sieveqvist ! King Sieveqvist ! says:

      We built it around a goalie. You got to be strong down the middle,its so simple! Zib is good but is he even a true #2 yet? That was my gripe with Stepan, he can’t skate! Karlsson is a no brainer, stay away! Not sure if JT comes.

  16. Larry says:

    I have no fear of a “quick turnaround”, I am afraid of “rebuilding” forever.
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  17. Rich S says:

    Anyone watch the Pitts-Phily game????
    The Giroux hit on Hagelin was brutal but clean…….
    LeTang got away with another vicious hit with his stick on Coutorier……..Reminded me of LeTangs stick to the mouth of Victor Stallberg couple years ago removing numerous teeth …….
    Twenty years ago LeTang would have been taught a lesson by opposing players and not consistently do this and put other players at risk.
    Hockey has gotten more dangerous since the near eradication of fighting……..
    Players are no longer allowed to police the game and therefor the league/referees are at fault for allowing the players to injure other players without consequence.