Mailbag: Moving up at the draft; Where would Chytil be drafted?

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Two questions for the mailbag this week. As always, use the widget on the right to submit questions for the mailbag.

Felix asks: After watching him play for a year, where do you think Chytil would be ranked among all prospects if he had waited to be drafted this year as opposed to last year when he barely made the age cutoff?

This is a tough one. For those who don’t know, Chytil made the age cutoff for last year’s draft by roughly ten days. He was a first round talent despite being just 17 years old, and it shows in the way he plays. He’s 18 now, and doesn’t turn 19 until September, so the kid is still finding his own. Yet despite that, he still has the potential to be an elite talent.

It’s virtually impossible to say where Chytil would have gone because we don’t have the benefit of seeing him play against kids his age. He was 18 years old playing in the AHL against men. We can only really compare him against players like Rasmus Dahlin, who was also playing against men. The rest of the projected top-five in this year’s draft all played in lesser leagues (QMJHL, OHL, NCAA, and Allsvenskan).

Given that Chytil put up 31 points in 45 games in the AHL, which again is a league of men, not kids, I would put Chytil as a top-five pick this year. But he made the cutoff for last year, so he went at 21st overall. That’s a big thing to note for the Blueshirts. They got a potential top-five talent at #21 because he made the cutoff. Bodes well.

Anthony asks: If the Rangers were to shop around a package of one if the 2018 1st rounders + Spooner or Vesey and try and tie half of Staal/Smith contracts, what kind of return do you think they could get? Is it enough to pry something of value out of Carolina (Hanafin?), maybe Calgary (Brodie?)

This is another difficult question to ask because I simply don’t know how much teams value Staal or Smith at 50% of their contracts. So let’s stick with what we do know. It’s safe to assume that the Rangers aren’t going to trade their first pick, which could be a top-ten.

We also know that no combination of a first rounder in the 20s and Spooner or Vesey would get Hanafin or Brodie on its own, let alone with a contract tied to it. That is overvaluing Spooner and Vesey. Realistically speaking, if you’re looking to tie a contract into a deal, then it’s going to be with a prospect, not a 24 year old winger (Vesey) or 26 year old center (Spooner). At least that’s the way I see anything like that happening.

If I’ve learned one thing though, it’s that I have no idea how to value players in trades. Glen Sather always surprised me with his deals. Jeff Gorton has done the same so far, both good and bad. I wouldn’t count on any favorable deals that involve a salary dump though.

Food for thought: Why do a salary dump trade when the Blueshirts have cap space, and it isn’t an immediate need?

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55 thoughts on “Mailbag: Moving up at the draft; Where would Chytil be drafted?

  • Apr 2, 2018 at 7:04 am

    I could see some moves made to get a shot at a better draft position in the first round. Now what exactly, who knows, but there is no way anyone will take Staal off of our hands. How many teams are willing to take on a player is who has vision issues, who is no speed demon, with a big cap hit, and a NMC? None as I see it!

    Spooner, Smith, some of the younger D-men who are currently playing, Gilmore, O’Gara, to name two won’t be here next year, or at least the NHL level for sure. We have a stable of some very good young kids on defense that can fill in next year, and I suspect that will be the case. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Namestnikov be one other forward traded as well. Time will tell, but one thing is for certain, changes they are a coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Apr 2, 2018 at 10:06 am

      I think if Staal was attached to Hayes than we could actually move him without much of a fuss. Luckily that won’t push Hayes out so maybe Kreider takes him in a trade away package this summer. Kreids name has been coming up at various times this past season as one of those players that are getting secretly shopped just like Stepan and JT got.

      Gilmore is really overrated by some fans, no way can the defense carry Smith, Gilmore, ADA and Skjei in the top 6. Namesnikov must have failed pretty hard if this was his trial run. NYC can’t be taken for granted so by first impression I think he’s failing under the Broadway spot light. Right now he doesn’t seem suited for a center role and he’s taking up a PP spot right now. I’m sure being traded in a lateral move and straight up replaced by JT can hurt the soul but he’s really making a point to get traded. JG really wanted that Czech prospect from the Tampa trade so maybe he was always a trade chip which makes sense in the long run.

      • Apr 2, 2018 at 12:07 pm

        So you are saying you feel CK20 is being traded this offseason?

        • Apr 2, 2018 at 2:32 pm

          I feel it’s a big possibility. I’m seeing the same patterns like before Stepan and JT were traded. There was previous chatter about how the Rangers were shopping him just like what happened to them. Bob Mckenzie raised back my suspicion of the team to maybe want to flip him during this rebuild for a top line name or it might go for other causes like a chance to get Dahlin or a trade for Karlsson. NYR don’t leak out stuff for a rumor mill to swirl for no reason. If J accepts Zucc’s plead to remain with the NYR than I could see him affecting Kreider’s time here

          • Apr 2, 2018 at 3:08 pm

            OK, I see your reasoning.

            I didn’t see the Ranger organization pushing Stepan or JT like they are with CK at this moment. In fact, I see them pumping up CK to wear the C next season. But then again, we traded our past 2 captains so your thinking may be in-line with that as well.

            3 games left, then the offseason. I am curious how this long offseason will play out for Stall and Henrik. Maybe it will help them and others …


            • Apr 2, 2018 at 4:18 pm

              I may see the reasoning, BUT this team will need some veteran leadership during the rebuild and CK clicks a lot of the boxes. He’s young enough to not only be part of the rebuild, but to play well beyond it … he’s old enough and has been under the tutelage of some pretty good players (St. Louis. Richards, etc.) to be a strong voice in the dressing room. Plus he’s under contract for 3 more years. As much as I love the Norwegian/Italian Hobbit he just has 1 year left and will be 31 next season. He probably has a good year or two left in him, but you seriously have to wonder when papa time will catch up to his game.

              If I could I would keep both — and focus on moving Spooner or Vlad … then I would look to sign Zucc to a modest extension over the summer, no more than 2 years in the 5m range per year.

              One thing I wouldn’t do though is trade for Karlsson, he’ll be a UFA at the end of next season. I don’t see him signing long term with the Sens. Why waste assets? Besides, let’s see how good our RDs can be next year … one guy I would trade for though is Trouba if it takes a forward like Spooner, Vlad or MZA plus a late 1st or Skjei plus a draft pick. At least Trouba will be solid throughout his next deal.

  • Apr 2, 2018 at 10:03 am

    In order to move to Staal you have to trade a problem for a problem. Maybe Staal for David Clarkson? Something like this. Not that you want either player, but you may convince Columbus that at least Staal is playing. And I think Torts like him. Not saying this is the deal but it needs to be a deal like this. If we buy him out I wait until after next season to reduce the cap penalty down the road.

    I would be interested to see what we need to give up to move up in the draft in to the top 5? I think that is very achievable. Some package of Zucc and/or Vesey and/or Spooner and/or Namestnikov plus picks. Obviously not all of them. But we have a lot to work with.

    • Apr 2, 2018 at 10:13 am

      I rather add Zucc, Vesey, Namesnikov etc to be in a package deal with Skjei for a top 4 name. JG can’t go wrong in a lateral move for a established D. Pionk needs a Muzzin type of D partner and the same goes for Shatty. You can’t go wrong in trading Skeji for a Daniel Nurse type imo. I rather go after Karlsson or Doughty than move up unless it gets them into the top 3 but top 5,6,7 and 8 picks aren’t worth it imo. I don’t see why not all of them…. Zinc is the only real decision, VC doesnt fit in any of the roles as a bottom 6 forward let alone a PP role. Spooner will cost to much…

      • Apr 2, 2018 at 11:42 am

        Do you want top 4 names or top 4 players?

        There is a difference, Mr. Esposito.

      • Apr 2, 2018 at 3:00 pm

        Adding any one of those guys to Skjei for what you deem a top 4 name (or even a Top 4 player) is overkill. It’s like bringing an AR-15 to a wooden sword fight. Skjei is a Top 4 player, we saw what he could do last year — I consider this year a step back, then again we’ve seen plenty of fine players take a step back in their second year. He’ll be fine with the right partner and a new coach.

        • Apr 2, 2018 at 3:40 pm

          I think Pionk has better skills than Skjei. We have seen his best. Great straight ahead speed,mediocre defense, and very poor puck handling. Trade him now in a package and if you get Kaarlson or Doughty, that makes the team that much better.

          • Apr 2, 2018 at 3:55 pm

            Yes, I saw how good he can be last year. In the first place why would you even think of TRADING for Karlsson or Doughty when they’ll be UFAs next year? Secondly you will need to sign either of those guys to 7-8 year contracts, do we really want to go down that road again? Karlsson will be 29, same for Doughty. Sorry but going for either would be a poor use of our assets. If you want to trade Skjei so badly, do it for someone like Trouba at least — another RD but one young enough to be part of the rebuild. At just 24 an 8 year contract takes him to 32 and you’re getting his prime years in the deal … not to mention he’ll cost considerably less than Doughty and Karlsson who will command 8+m and 9/10+m respectively.

            • Apr 2, 2018 at 7:16 pm


              Agree 100000%. I can’t understand the obsession with Karlsson. He is very good at moving the puck, but he is a defensive liability. The fact that we now have a stable of young defensemen to choose from, who will be cost controlled for years, and the thought of giving up what may be our best d-man on the roster makes zero sense to me. Also the guy is injured, and has been all season long, why not do the research before putting stuff like that out there, I have to LOL!!!!!!!!!!

              • Apr 2, 2018 at 7:27 pm

                Yes Walt…
                Putting Karlsson on this team is totally redundant since we have Shattenkirk here. Primary PP quarterback who is not known to be a shutdown guy is already on the premises. Also I feel ADA needs a chance to show what he has, there is some potential there.

    • Apr 2, 2018 at 10:33 am

      If none of Vesey, Spooner, or Namestnikov is worth a first round pick, then neither are they worth one as a group. Together, they’d be worth, at best, 3 second round picks, not a bad haul, but, why bother if we already have those 3 players? Zucc +1 and our first rounder to move up? Maybe, but I doubt it. I think if there was that much interest, he’d have been traded at the deadline, but, then again, who knows? Perhaps some team that doesn’t go as far as they thought they would in the playoffs will be looking for a change. It’s a common mistake to value your own team’s talent higher than an outsider would. It’s also easy to forget that there are counter parties in any deal, who are also looking to maximize their return at our expense.

  • Apr 2, 2018 at 10:59 am

    I think it is pretty safe to assume that no one will trade the #1 draft pick position to the Rangers for what they have to offer. Moving up might be possible, but they will want to extract a decent price. Makes no sense to trade Skjei, Kreider, Hayes, Buchnevich, Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson, or Shatty unless you move way up and you can get an elite talent.

    • Apr 2, 2018 at 2:58 pm

      JG should make a trade with Skjei just like Tampa did with Vladdy in a lateral move so no matter what we’re happy with the return even if he pans out elsewhere. Brady is like Brenden Smith bad except he’s younger, faster and has a recent summer of training with Mcd. He’s a shiny toy who looks bad in all 3 zones for most of the game. His IQ makes for a bad PK man and he’s not someone who I could see shutting down any of the big divisional rivals big names. His play on the PK vs Ovi compared to Pionk shows who has a better grasp in his own end. If there was something that involved his name for a established top 4 name than JG should take it. He won’t do for a 7 game battle vs Pittsburgh or Washington, I can already tell that he’ll be a fringe bottom 4 pair who can make a play here and there. He’s a huge reason why this team can’t maintain possession after a faceoff win. I don’t know if he’s cracking due to Hank being on his case but he’s a turnover machine.

      I would want Travares just to have a better chance to sign De Haan so Skjei can play 3rd pair.

      • Apr 2, 2018 at 3:37 pm

        I have to agree Skjei has not shown any improvement he has regressed. He can not play against the big boys. In recent years we had MAC, G and Marc to play the big guns, and last spring Smith looked promising. Skjei would be a good 3rd pair guy. Right now we have no top 4 def.

        • Apr 2, 2018 at 4:02 pm

          I don’t think it’s a coincidence that 90% of this team regressed this year — I think Skjei is in line to become the new whipping boy for some people here, just like Stepan was before that … or how Hayes was two years ago. Player development is not always consistent, there will almost always be hiccups along the way unless you’re an elite stud.

          • Apr 2, 2018 at 4:42 pm

            Point taken but I think he was expected to be better than this. Yes he can skate hope you are right and we were expecting too much from him.

            So do you see him as top pair guy who you put out to shut down guys like Crosby and Ovie?

            • Apr 2, 2018 at 5:19 pm

              I think it takes team defense to shut down guys like Ovechkin and Crosby. The Rangers used to play much better overall team defense. The forwards were far more responsible on the back check. Yes, you need talented defenders, but even guys like McDonough can’t do it alone.

              • Apr 2, 2018 at 7:23 pm

                Our Defensive system is completely broken and let’s face facts it starting falling apart in 2015 and has trended progressively worse since. Samuelson, Beukeboom, Ruff worse result year by year. Skeji has not meet expectations this year, but who has all season really? Not an excuse a reality. It’s too early to give up on Skeji. He’s got a lot of talent and should be given the chance to be part of the future.

            • Apr 2, 2018 at 11:58 pm

              You don’t put any D on Ovie as it breaks your shape, you assign a F to be on him like a tick on a hound dog. Weak side F drifts down towards the high slot, only covering point if puck goes there.

      • Apr 2, 2018 at 4:16 pm

        Disagree with Mint regarding Skjei. He is a young player with talent, particularly in his skating ability, which is a great asset. The things he does not do well currently can be improved with coaching. Young players have to be developed. Expecting them to be fully accomplished after two years in the league is usually not reasonable.

        • Apr 2, 2018 at 7:26 pm


          To your point about coaching, the kid has already played under two coaches, in two seasons. The fact that the system we play defense, man to man, vs zone makes it tough on young players. Look at the three seasons with three different coaches, that even some veterans had a difficult time understanding their assignments. Bottom line, under a new head coach, new defensive scheme, and some guidance, Brady will do just fine. He has plenty of speed to go along with his game, and that can’t be taught, so they should lighten up on the kid, get on some of the vets cases!!!!!!

  • Apr 2, 2018 at 11:18 am

    Chytil in this draft would go 3rd at the latest, behind Dahlin & Svechnikov, might not go behind him as he can play center. The height, the speed, the vision, the hands.

    • Apr 2, 2018 at 2:00 pm

      Hmmmm, it’s an awfully deep draft. I have no doubt Chytil would go higher, but Top 3? As it stands now I imagine some would even rate Zadina higher and there are quite a few real good defensive prospects like Boqvist … I would say Chytil would fall somewhere from 5/6 to 10/11 realistically, depending on (in part) the need of the teams drafting.

      • Apr 2, 2018 at 6:51 pm

        Some people are idiots.

        Zadina is not nearly the same skater, projectabile height/weight or the ability to play center. Can operate in a tight window, doubt he gets that much against better competition. A poacher.

        Boqvist? Puhleaze. Can’t compete against men at two levels of hockey(1st go around in Almtuna they had him listed as 2nd pair, about 2 -3 shifts of that and he barely played. His 2nd go around, was 7th D) and his production in junior is less impressive considering the amount of minutes they fed him. What defenceman has more goals than assists? A guy who doesn’t trust his teammates. Guys like that should be drafted in the bottom third of the draft.

        • Apr 2, 2018 at 11:53 pm

          I meant bottom third of the 1st round.

          The quick hands, his crisp accurate passes, his nice little move to beat the F trying to cover the point and open up a shooting lane are great: his jumping in deep and playing rover like a poor man’s Subban not so great; his inability to handle a forecheck in his own end, (let alone carry it out of there) I like even less.

          His actual defending? Fuggadaboutit.

          He’s not even Derrick Pouliot, who was a bust at 8.

  • Apr 2, 2018 at 11:37 am

    There is a possibility that the Rangers will trade their first pick. Suppose hypothetically that they have the eighth pick. Another team might be willing to give the Rangers the fourth or fifth pick for the #8 pick if the Rangers threw in some sweeteners. OTOH, if JG know he has no chance at his top five choices and thinks he can get his sixth choice with the #11 pick, he might, if appropriately compensated, trade down.

    I agree that JG will keep a high draft pick, but there is some wiggle room.

  • Apr 2, 2018 at 11:38 am

    Nobody on Calgary worth grabbing that they would give up that fits what Gorton’s vision is.

    With Carolina, if you dealt a late 1st pick along with the rights to Hayes, you could get the rights to Hanafin. If you signed Hayes to a 1st year signing bonus heavy, front loaded deal that got him to 30, you could get that straight up for Pesce or Slavin plus Jake Bean. I wouldn’t push for that as I think Hayes has too many positives that our other RFAs don’t have, but that would be the framework.

    You could do the same for Spooner, but would have to add a late 1st for Pesce/Slavin.

    • Apr 2, 2018 at 1:49 pm

      I would do Spooner and a late 1st for Pesce if they throw in DeNiro and Ray Liotta. No actually I would want Slavin, but we’re overloaded right now with left shooting d’men and prospects … it just isn’t a “need”. I wonder if a 2nd and Spooner or Vlad would net us their 1st round pick, I would do that in a heart beat.

      • Apr 2, 2018 at 3:25 pm

        now there is your little ball of hate.

      • Apr 2, 2018 at 11:26 pm

        If you structured the contract and make it happen before the draft, it could work; but trade couldn’t officially happen until July 1.

  • Apr 2, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    The unknown here is whether the Gods favor us with a good ping pong ball bounce to get us in the Top 3 — that’s the big question and it would definitely have an affect on potential trades.

    All I know is that I wouldn’t want (subject to how great an offer one gets) to trade from the current team Skjei, Kreider, Hayes, Buchnevich, Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson, Shatty, Pionk, Georgiev, & Hank (because he should retire a Ranger). Prospect-wise I wouldn’t trade Day, Lettieri, Howden, Hajek, Rykov, Ronning, Gettinger, Nieves, Lindgren, Shesterkin or Huska. I don’t think I’m missing anybody here … anyone not mentioned is in my mind available for trade.

    Between Spooner and Vlad N I would prefer to move Vlad. Zucc requires a 1st rounder and a “real” good prospect (otherwise wait for the next trade deadline). I might want to keep Smith because I think he comes back strong next year (just a hunch). With Staal I would be willing to eat half his salary if it nets me a good prospect or a at least a good 2nd rounder. I would lean towards keeping DeAngelo (we need RDs), but if a team is willing to overpay he could be moved. I’m also willing to add ONE of our late 1st rounders or a 2nd rounder to any deal for an upgrade if necessary.

    • Apr 2, 2018 at 12:57 pm

      I forgot to mention Crawley. I would like to keep him around.

  • Apr 2, 2018 at 1:51 pm

    Just because I hate when my comments await moderation (seems to take forever), I’m reposting what I previously wrote:

    The unknown here is whether the Gods favor us with a good ping pong ball bounce to get us in the Top 3 — that’s the big question and it would definitely have an affect on potential trades.

    All I know is that I wouldn’t want (subject to how great an offer one gets) to trade from the current team Skjei, Kreider, Hayes, Buchnevich, Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson, Shatty, Pionk, Georgiev, & Hank (because he should retire a Ranger). Prospect-wise I wouldn’t trade Day, Lettieri, Howden, Hajek, Rykov, Ronning, Gettinger, Nieves, Lindgren, Crawley, Shesterkin or Huska. I don’t think I’m missing anybody here … anyone not mentioned is in my mind available for trade.

    Between Spooner and Vlad N I would prefer to move Vlad. Zucc requires a 1st rounder and a “real” good prospect (otherwise wait for the next trade deadline). I might want to keep Smith because I think he comes back strong next year (just a hunch). With Staal I would be willing to eat half his salary if it nets me a good prospect or a at least a good 2nd rounder. I would lean towards keeping DeAngelo (we need RDs), but if a team is willing to overpay he could be moved. I’m also willing to add ONE of our late 1st rounders or a 2nd rounder to any deal for an upgrade if necessary.

  • Apr 2, 2018 at 1:59 pm

    Wow in another few days there will be no more Ranger hockey it will be a long way until June.

    Wonder Why we are not seeing Chytil on the PP?

  • Apr 2, 2018 at 4:21 pm

    Some contribution to the discourse you have there, ace.

  • Apr 2, 2018 at 4:51 pm

    Looks like Fast is gone for the year and possibly Zuc Too. Hope they make call-ups rather than putting the usual suspects back in the line-up.

    • Apr 2, 2018 at 5:12 pm

      Amen … unfortunately aside from Lettieri and Nieves there’s really no forwards worth seeing right now, unless they want to take a quick look at Gropp and/or Tambellini (who both are looking like they’ll turn out to be busts unfortunately).

      • Apr 2, 2018 at 10:42 pm

        Tambo never filled out enough, Gropp will have to get a lot stronger to have a shot.

      • Apr 2, 2018 at 10:46 pm

        I’d want to see Fogarty just to see if he could play a shutdown C role at this level. I doubt it, but it’s not like they’d miss the playoffs because of it.

        • Apr 2, 2018 at 10:54 pm

          True … Gropp is still young enough that maybe he can get back into the mix. Fogarty is approaching 25 and Tambellini will be 24 next season. I guess anything is possible but they all seem a little too far off from the NHL than they should be at their ages.

          On the other hand I think Nieves and Lettieri are right on the cusp. I wouldn’t be surprised if both or either make the team next year out of training camp — assuming we don’t go signing a bunch of “older” UFAs for the 4th line.

          • Apr 2, 2018 at 11:36 pm

            Nieves, Tambo & Fogarty are all RFA; Nieves gets qualified(As he can skate and play 2 spots) Tambo doesn’t, guessing Fogarty would be lucky to get a 2 way deal.

            He’s in a super weird place as he’ll be a group 6 UFA after next season, so there’s no reason to see if he’s any good, but still not enough depth in HFD to not qualify him.

            • Apr 3, 2018 at 12:34 am

              Would have to look at our numbers regarding total contracts. As you stated, not enough depth in Hartford to not qualify a couple of players who otherwise might not get qualified. I could see Tambo getting qualified as well depending on our numbers.

              Don’t laugh, but I think the Rangers should bring back Nicklas Jensen — there was a lot to like about his game, even if he could never quite seem to put it all together. He’s 25 and better than any of the guys we mentioned. If we have a little room at forward he would be a decent add … and who knows. We’ve seen late bloomers in the past and his size and skill set is pretty good.

              • Apr 3, 2018 at 12:00 pm

                Rangers will be at 45 players on the 50 man roster going into the draft, so unless they get really lucky, they’ll stay there going into the season.

              • Apr 3, 2018 at 12:08 pm

                As for Jensen, he has an option to go back to Jokerit if he doesn’t get offered in NYC.

                Even with top minutes he didn’t explode like you’d think he would’ve, would still be a bottom 6 role.

                But with the KHL cap starting to kick in hard, if they bump his AHL pay a little/lot, he might come back even in a 2 way deal.

  • Apr 2, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    Agree with Dave’s Chytil is a Top 5 pick based on everything surrounding him. Not much of a debate there.

    Again with trading up and salary dumps I concur. Not likely to happen but the 2 chiefs are who they are so nothing is impossible.

    Lot of all this talk that is on here is based on a what we are seeing now at the present day. Especially with Skjei. Look in my opinion it really all depends on those 2. A decision which is a lot more pressing is AV gone or not? If you keep AV and want him at the helm then a lot of players have to go. If you fire AV for a more simple old school minded coach with simple systems then alot of the players have to be reevaluated which could take a season in itself to accomplish. That is why it has always been my problem getting into any of these discussions. I definitely feel there is a disconnect between what front office gets in players and what AV wants.

    All of this aside…if AV is gone which most of the people here want and see happening then nothing should happen predraft unless it is to move up in the draft with players the franchise already knows very well and have seen beyond this season. All of the add on’s from the deadline should be given at least a half season to be measured by the rangers own scouts.

    And with that said I don’t see a possibility of moving up in the draft with the players we know and might be willing to depart with. Krieder is not getting moved in my eyes. And he alone is the only asset which the rangers could deal from to move up in the draft. No one else is even close. After this season to many players have dropped their own values to basically nothing.

    Can we or should we trade staal with 50% retention salary ….I am not really sure if we can…not 100% on the rules of the CBA but if we can I still don’t. I don’t think his deal is really all that bad. He has 3 more years left after this one and 5.7 million isn’t going to break the bank on a sure handed reliable 70 game defenseman. I don’t think he is as bad as all of us view him.

    • Apr 2, 2018 at 6:26 pm

      Staal is not going anywhere maybe future buyout but not this year.

    • Apr 2, 2018 at 9:14 pm

      I think there’s plenty of value in our players. I’ve never bought the whole “After this season to many players have dropped their own values to basically nothing.” Nah, there are always GMs out there who will overvalue another team’s players — and fans I might add, as some of us often times do. The only exception I see from this season is probably Smith.

      • Apr 2, 2018 at 11:38 pm

        It’s jist that AV’s system destroys value.

        • Apr 3, 2018 at 12:35 am

          … and other GMs know it, well at least some of them do.

          • Apr 3, 2018 at 11:39 am

            AV should’ve been gone in October. NYR (we) still would not have made PO, but at least it would’ve given the roster a chance to be evaluated by fresh eyes. The same trades would’ve been made for the UFAs’ (Nash, Grabner and Holden), but the McD and JT trade could’ve looked different. A new coach could’ve instituted a system to take advantage of their strengths instead of wearing them down
            and them blaming them with his passive aggressive personality.Keep all of the RFA’s, all of them and no NTC.
            See what needs to be done after the coaching change.
            I like JG, not so much Dolan and Slats, but not changing AV IMO has led to the current situation.
            In the end every change made is one that had to be made, its all in the rearview mirror now.
            JG forward!

      • Apr 3, 2018 at 8:25 am

        To your point I respond with is this game not a point based system? Do salaries not get derived from how much actual production a player produces at least regarding forwards? If it was based on hunches and how well/worse off a player is playing for a particular system/coach then we would be in the dark ages again with Sather throwing millions at players past their individual primes and the Rangers never making the playoffs season after season.

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