Feb
23

Game 62: Shots galore

February 23, 2018, by

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After surrendering 900 shots to Montreal last night, the Rangers are in action tonight at home against Minnesota. Michael Grabner is gone. Rick Nash has played his last game as a Ranger (at least for this season). The Rangers allow a ton of shots, and that won’t change this year. May as well take shots as well. However I do not recommend taking a shot for every shot the Rangers allow. We enjoy people when they are alive, generally speaking.

The Rangers are only going to get worse, so there’s no real reason to stress over these games. It’s a weird feeling, not stressing over how the Blueshirts are playing. I can appreciate this zen. Enhance your zen. Watch the trades. Fuel the tank.

Wild Systems

Bruce Boudreau likes to stay aggressive with his schemes. He runs an aggressive 1-2-2 forecheck. The defense are not afraid to get involved in the rush, looking to fly the zone early if there’s a chance for a break.  With a late lead, he will sit back use their 1-2-2 more conservatively. Overall, this is comparable to AV’s system.

When it comes to defensive zone schemes, the Wild will send a forward to challenge the points while everyone else collapses in the zone and overloads the half boards. Their powerplay strategy is a 1-3-1. Their penalty kill formation is generally a diamond force, which sends a player high to challenge the point.

Wild Lines 

Nino Niederreiter-Eric Staal-Tyler Ennis
Jason Zucker-Mikko Koivu-Mikael Granlund
Zach Parise-Matt Cullen-Charlie Coyle
Marcus Foligno-Joel Eriksson Ek-Daniel Winnik

Ryan Suter-Jared Spurgeon
Gustav Olofsson-Matt Dumba
Mike Reilly-Nate Prosser

PP1: Niederreiter-Staal-Parise-Dumba-Reilly
PP2: Granlund-Koivu-Zucker-Suter-Spurgeon

Devan Dubnyk gets the start.

Rangers Lines 

Mats ZuccarelloMika ZibanejadPavel Buchnevich
Jimmy VeseyKevin HayesJT Miller
Vinny Lettieri-David DesharnaisJesper Fast
Cody McLeod-Peter HollandPaul Carey

Brady SkjeiNeal Pionk
Marc Staal-Tony DeAngelo
Rob O’Gara-John Gilmour

PP1: Nash-Zuccarello-Zibanejad-Miller-Skjei
PP2: Hayes-Desharnais-Lettieri-Gilmour-DeAngelo

Henrik Lundqvist gets the start.

Scratches/Injuries: Chris Kreider (blood clot), Kevin Shattenkirk (knee), Ryan McDonagh (lingering something or other), Ondrej Pavelec (knee), Steven Kampfer (hand), Rick Nash (to be traded)

Crazy Prediction: AV is fired mid-game.

Game time is 7pm. Be sure to follow on our Snapchat for in-game shenanigans.

Categories : Game Thread

54 comments

  1. Reenavipul says:

    Can we get a new Rangers system breakdown? They haven’t been playing like they have even a month ago.

  2. Ren says:

    I’m so salty about how well Eric Staal is doing in Minnesota for 3.5m. Thanks AV.

    • Rich S says:

      Spot on Ren…..I thought I was the only one who realizes what we let leave after giving up assets for him……28 goals last year…..27 so far this year…..but not good enough for AV…..

      • Ren says:

        Everything was confusing about that trade…the cost to acquire, his deployment, not attempting to resign.

        • Rich S says:

          This is common with the rangers……..unable to evaluate or properly utilize their players or assets…..
          Strallman, the nhl’s leading plus/minus player the past 4 years is even more indicative of rangers ineptitude……
          Funny how we needed a right handed defenseman and center the past few years and had two stars we let walk away!!!!!!
          I hope we d arent turning into the knicks of hockey……

  3. lv says:

    Why would Ottawa trade Brassard to Pitts?
    Answer: So, the rest of the NHL can watch Penguins win the cup for another 2 years.

  4. Bloomer says:

    Good start so far by the smurfs and untouchables. Kreds has a jump in his step.

  5. Rob says:

    Lindquist on the bench again.
    A pending trade?
    Or just simply running up the surrender flag?

  6. Leatherneck says:

    Boys….2 games in….pretty impressed by Georgiev

  7. Bloomer says:

    Marc Staal is slow…but the ice is patient.

  8. Reenavipul says:

    That 4th goal is why I don’t rate Gilmour: played the 2 on 1 like he didn’t know whether to shit or wind his watch.

  9. odielicious says:

    Got damn i am pissed.

    Brassard fetched ian cole…1st round pick…and a top goaltending prospect….unbelievable how bad our front office gets shelled.

    grabner only fetched 2nd round pick and a khl maybe. I hate this front office. They both should be canned. I get everyone’s point about how he is a rental in the truest sense but come on? A 2nd and a maybe player? That is just pathetic. They had to have gotten offered a 1st round pick. There had to be some team out there willing to give a first round pick. But no we took a maybe KHL’er with a second round pick. which could turn into a late round 2nd if the devils do the impossible. And Grabner rights their ship.

    What I got from everything I read out there is he has 1 yr left on his KHL contract and he might resign in the KHL and yes he is talented enough to play for the biggest team in Russia but we all know what happened to the other guy we got from that team and how he could not play in the nhl cause he wasn’t strong enough for it. And how our head coach handles that player….really making me optimistic he is willing to come over after next season.

    There is no other way to spin this trade …I have read all the articles on how everyone feels this was a good move because of Kovy coming here. Guys realize for large parts of last season Kovy was benched and whether it was for political reasons or not …he is 38. Get your heads out from the sand …this is a rebuild not a plug and fix on the fly.

    I honestly think this franchise is just tortured by the NHL owners. And no GM will ever let us get the better of them. I my own lifetime albeit not long in comparision to some of you ….there has never been a deal the Rangers got and I was shocked at how much of a one sided deal it was in our favor. Always ….if that thought ever entered my mind was about how the Rangers got fleeced in the deal.

    This Grabner deal is another version of the RAngers front office getting shelled by another GM. I honestly have lost hope. This is the JETS franchise in a hockey version. I salute you vets of 80years of being a ranger’s fan but I honestly feel sorry for you. If we do the proverbial JETS move and draft a Goaltender with our number 1 pick this year I am done being a fan. I will stop going and watching games and will honestly root for Vegas from now on.

    • Mancunian Candidate says:

      Get a head start—the Vegas bandwagon is filling up! And if it’s come to that, may I say good riddance to your fandom on behalf of Ranger fans.

      As far as your sobbing over this trade and how it hurts you personally: relax, ok? As far as this Brassard trade? Penguins are overpaying, they get another year of Brass plus this playoff run. Grabner is a straight UFA rental, nobody is giving up premium talent or picks for a great 3rd liner. And that’s what Grabner is—arguably the very best 3rd line winger in hockey.

      Brassard has a proven record of playoff production over the last few years. Grabner doesn’t. And the Penguins know the value of a good playoff performer. Hence: a low first-round pick for Brass, which’ll likely only be a few spots ahead of the Rangers’ 2nd round pick. Ease up on the hysterics; it’ll be good for your overall health.

      • odielicious says:

        Ofcourse the Penguins are overpaying! Where is the Rangers trade partner that will overpay?

        Do you read what I write or just short pick words for refueling the haterade? OH WATER BOY!!!!!!!!

        At best this is a trade of equal value. (IF he resigns with us next year I admit it is a huge rape, but that is a big if)

        Grabner has speed and defense. At the ripe old age of 30 he had been the most consistent winger on this team the last 2 years. No one and I mean no one saw him doing what he did here. For maybe the exception of the guy who drafted him 8 years ago….just for the lazy it was the Canucks that drafted him.

        Lets just say for giggles you are right and he is nothing but a 3rd liner. What exactly is Brassard on Pittsburg? Oh that is right…he will center a line over Crosby and Malkin. Yeah that is realistic. On their depth chart Brass is at best their number 4 center and he is how old? Oh that is right he’s 30.

        I am sure that Gorton knows he got fleeced hence the Amanda Borges interview after the game being posted on the site. All to calm the masses.

        Mancurian take off the blinders man….see what is around you. A first round pick for him would have been a high price to pay but for the right team to push them over the bubble like Brassard just did for the penguins on paper it is not that insane. No one is looking at what the Penguins just gave up and saying damn that was a stupid trade.

        • 43 says:

          I think it’s safe to say the Rangers found, in New Jersey, a trade partner willing to overpay. The cost Jersey gave up to acquire Grabner will sting if they don’t win the cup, which they’re not a favorite to do, and if he doesn’t resign with them. I cannot stress this enough, the fact that, of all teams, Gorton sent Grabner to New Jersey, you have to conclude that a second and Bykov, who managment has become more than familiar with while tracking Shestyorkin’s progression, was miles ahead of any other offer on the table for Grabner.

          • odielicious says:

            I can really agree with you. I think you are totally right. But they are overpaying to Ranger’s standards not to NHL Standards.

            For whatever reason the management team has faith that this kid is the real deal and he was worth it. I pray they are right and that Grabner resigns with us in the offseason. If Grabs resigns with us then this trade is a landslide victory. But in my opinion there is just too many if’s on this trade.

        • Mancunian Candidate says:

          Odie, you are garbage. Why do you constantly need to use the word “rape” while describing trades? It’s disgusting and inappropriate. On top of that you’re the worst type of fan—hypercritical, uninformed, and panic-stricken. Go be a Vegas fan already.

    • Bloomer says:

      It is disappointing Odie but Ranger fans are accustom to it. Being a Ranger fan is a humbling experience.

      • odielicious says:

        for a long time I was a jets fan. But once they drafted a kicker with the number 1 overall pick I knew what the franchise was.

        • 43 says:

          I thought all Rangers fans were Giants fans. Isn’t NYC fandom divided into two sects: Jets, Mets, Islanders/Giants, Rangers, Yankees?

        • Mancunian Candidate says:

          The NY Jets have never drafted a kicker in the first round, let alone with the first overall choice. Way to make stuff up.

          • odielicious says:

            mike nugent was there first pick he was the 42 nd overall pick but their first pick overall.

            • Mancunian Candidate says:

              The 42nd pick isn’t in the first round, and it’s 41 spots away from the first overall pick. Just so we are clear about how prone to exaggeration and distortion you are.

    • Rich S says:

      odielicious ….100% correct on all your points…….
      Our best goal scorer, most exciting player, best penalty killer, great model of professionalism for young players………and we trade him for a 2nd and former 5th round draft picks!!!!
      I will repeat what I said above…….This is common with the rangers……..unable to evaluate or properly utilize their players or assets…..
      Remember how much we paid for eric stall???/ and then let him walk away….the same stall who scored two goals tonight and 28 for the year and 28 last year…….and the strallman debacle was even worse…… Incredibly stupid management….

      • Bloomer says:

        Yes but the Ranger management redeem themselves by locking up Brendan Smith in the offseason. Just to prove to the fans that they aren’t about to let another rental player walk.

      • Leatherneck says:

        I add the St Louis trade as one of the top 3 worst trades in Rangers history

        You can’t buy the Cup….Rangers proven that over and over

        • Bloomer says:

          Trading Zubov away was very disappointing. As was when they moved Doug Weight and Tony Amonte. Then there’s the Rick Middleton trade….but you can’t live in the past because it’s gone. Can’t live in the future because it’s not here yet. We only have the team that we have now.

          • Leatherneck says:

            Which means the culture has to change….real hockey fans understand what it takes to win a Cup….they’ll be there….so we gotta give it a shot and rebuild the right way

        • James1090 says:

          Without St. Louis you don’t make it to the Stanley Cup. You might not like the trade, but that alone makes it a success.

      • odielicious says:

        You know there is a lot of sheep on this site. I can’t tell if half of them are on the Rangers payroll or not.

        How dare you question the authority of the Rangers leadership and front office? The media says it …so it must be right cause they know more then me.

        Meanwhile brooks and the likes can’t post one column without a spelling mistake and they are getting paid as a professional to spell check their writing. And MC don’t even think of saying anything…this a blog and no one on here is being mass printed to the country or let alone new york city.

    • James1090 says:

      If you read the reports Grabner got exactly what was speculated. A 2nd round pick and a prospect. Brassard is also a center who still has term on his contact. Of course he will get more in a return.

      Not that it matters, but Kovy’s going to be 35 not 38. He’s also the KHL’s leading scorer.

      I don’t know about you, but the Scott Gomez trade was a pretty good one.

      Talk about an over reaction. You really need to chill out. Go root for Vegas if you want, no one really cares.

      • odielicious says:

        Scott GOmez…really? How is that trade panning out come monday? You still think that is going to count? And it was shear luck and we all know it.

        Brassard and Grabner are extremely similar assets. Each one has their individual pros and cons.

        Each one pushes a team to a higher level. But it is all in the marketing. And the Rangers front office has no such skill.

        Ultimately I just wanted a first rounder for him. The KHL player was a bonus. But that doesn’t mean this was a good trade.

        What happens if now the devils start rolling? And they make it to the Second round. However unlikely it is a possibility.

        As it stands right now this 2nd round pick will fall into the 40’s or 50’s. Where as the First round pick will be in the 10’s and 20’s that is a huge difference. And if a KHL maybe player makes up that difference with 1 year left to play in Russia then maybe I am missing something. Cause there is no guarantee this kid even decides to come to play here.

        IMHO this trade is bad on so many levels. Atleast with a 1st round pick you know you are getting something of value. No team is going to trade down in a draft. You have to understand the value of your assets and gauge the appropriate return. You made Grabner a highly sought after item, and you took a late 2nd round pick and a maybe player 2 yrs down the line. Just isn’t even close to his value. You know I could accept a 1st rounder from a playoff contender. Low 20’s early 30 pick is fair market for a rental.

        Tampa Bay Lightning trade F Brian Boyle to Toronto Maple Leafs for F Byron Froese, conditional second-round pick in 2017 Draft. Now this is nothing against Boyle but he is worth what here? Who in your mind is worth more Grabner or Boyle?

        • Mancunian Candidate says:

          Your idiocy is prompting you to view this trade—Gomez for McDonagh—as a failure now? Let’s see—since acquiring McDonagh the Rangers were the best team in the NHL to not win a Cup. Three trips to the semifinals or higher while McD has been a Ranger. He’s established himself as one of the 20 best defensemen in hockey. While Gomez just sank like a stone in the river.

          Here are the numbers:
          McDonagh—516 games played, all as a Ranger, 238 points. 96 playoff games played, with 41 points.

          Gomez—196 games in Montreal, with 108 points. He fell from a first line player to a third liner almost immediately in Montreal. To give him credit, his first playoff in Montreal was successful—14 points in 19 playoff games.

          To sum up—the Rangers have gotten 7+ years of service from McDonagh. He’s their captain and #1 defenseman. Whereas Gomez gets yelled at by Montrealers in public for how crappy a player he became. Your revisionist history is as wrong as it is disingenuous.

          • odielicious says:

            Pull out the one trade that is good and run with idea. but what about my other points? We all know it was luck, we all know this franchise could have gotten more for Grabner, just like ottawa did for brass, and AS I POINTED OUT …Brian Boyle got the tampa bay lighting a 2nd round pick from a none contender last year and a first level ahler.
            I get you don’t like me but come on. Be fair and talk about my other points that dont make you hate me as much.

            • Mancunian Candidate says:

              Don’t you realize that a 2nd round pick from this year’s Devils is going to be less than 15 picks away from Pittsburgh’s 1st round pick? The Pens will likely make the semifinals at least, and the Devils will be a first-round knockout if they even make the playoffs.

              Ian Cole is a 3rd pairing dman in my opinion. Nothing to get excited about. So the pick is a wash, and Rykov > Cole. Brassard’s extra contract year is then paid for by the prospect. Why is this so upsetting to you? It’s a slight overpay, and it’s because Brass is a proven playoff performer.

              Lastly, I am addressing your points about the Grabner trade. I’ve done so in every response I’ve made to you. In my opinion you’re upset about nothing.

              • odielicious says:

                so you say you don’t believe there was a team willing to trade a 1st for grabner?

                I do realize that it will be 15 picks away and that is what makes me mad. No one trades down in a draft …Boston had 3 first round picks a few years back. Having a spare first gives you leverage in another trade situation. Which if Boyle last year got a second round pick why does grabner only return the same assets? No way is Grabner the same value as a Boyle.

                Rykov could be a without a doubt a much better version then Ian Cole …not even a question in my mind. But again I will reiterate ….Rykov is a large IF…there is no guaranteed asset there. It is only a possibility of an asset and let alone it is at best 2yrs away from playing for the Rangers. A first round pick in itself no mater how low still is an asset.

  10. Peter says:

    I think some are forgetting that Grabner is a pure rental. The Rangers got a very young Russian defenseman who has been playing well in the KHL plus a second round pick for a rental. Grabner is not a top six guy even though the skills he has make him valuable. He is a role player, a terrific third line guy and penalty killer. So, the Devils get him for a few months and then have to try to sign him. I don’t get the gnashing of teeth.

    Interesting dynamics on Nash. He is also a rental, but he is a top six guy on most clubs. As a gifted two way player he should be in demand. But, he also makes a lot of money. The Rangers may be looking for a trading partner who is gonna take on more of his salary? Or maybe holding out for the perfect deal.

    • 43 says:

      At this point in the season, I can’t see having to retain 50% of Nash’s salary as a deal breaker. I mean, if we were in contention and moving him, similar to the Gaborik deal a few years back, then yeah, retaining salary seems a bit much. Yet, if that’s part of the deal to get the best possible return for Nash, so what.

  11. King Sieveqvist ! King Sieveqvist ! says:

    So all I seen on the Ice the whole game was #12,yeah the good Staal.We had him and should have pushed Stepan back to #2 slot,offed him and signed Staal instead we signed Shittenkirk!Would have saved 3 mil and found a decent D man.Seems Staal can still play the middle pretty damn good to me.

    • Mancunian Candidate says:

      Yup, it’s not like Eric Staal’s points totals fell for 3 straight seasons before arriving in Minnesota. It’s not like his production collapsed or anything—going from a 70-point player to a player who struggled to break 45 points in a three-year span indicates that an aging player is on the upswing, right?

      You and the other Eric Staal lamenters must’ve missed how awful he was as a Ranger. Additionally you’re all praising Minnesota for signing him, yet 2 of the worst, longest contracts in the history of the NHL (Suter & Parise) are currently operating on the same team as Eric Staal. So if the Wild are geniuses for hitting the jackpot with Staal, then they’re simultaneously idiots for signing two guys to 13-year, $98 million deals. I don’t care what Staal does out there because the contracts to Suter & Parise mean that the Wild will never be a serious Cup contender.

      I have no problem with what happened to Eric Staal. Happy he’s been able to find success in Minnesota. But to act like he deserved a contract from NYR after posting 3 goals and 3 assists in 25 reg season and playoff games played with the Rangers is ridiculous. Pro-rate THAT production, and it’s easy to see why NYR let him walk.

      • Walt says:

        MC

        All valid points, but AV’s deployment of the man was piss poor to say the least. Let’s face it, Eric is considerably better than Stepan was, and he should have slid down to at least the 2nd center, no instead he plays Eric at the wing. Would I have re-signed him probably not, because I wouldn’t have traded for him in the first place, but the blame should fall on the guy who deployed the man, Staal, square on AV’s shoulders!!!!!!!!

        • Mancunian Candidate says:

          Walt—I know you don’t like Stepan, but to suggest that Eric Staal was a better player than Step at the time of that trade isn’t true. Staal had a 3-year production slump in Carolina in the time before the trade to the Rangers, and Stepan’s numbers were slightly better than Eric Staal’s in that time frame.

          2012-13 Staal 18 G, 35 A—53 pts
          Step 18 G, 26 A—44 pts
          2013-14 Staal 21 G, 40 A—61 pts
          Step 17 G, 40 A—57 pts
          2014-15 Staal 23 G, 31 A—54 pts
          Step 16 G, 39 A—55 pts
          2015-16 Staal 13 G, 26 A—39 pts
          Step 22 G, 31 A—53 pts

          Additionally Stepan only played 68 and 72 games in 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons. Staal played almost full years in all these seasons, and managed the rare feat of playing in 83 regular season games in 2015-16. Yet Stepan outproduced him by 2 points despite playing less games in that span.

          Staal’s deployment was an issue. He’s not a left wing. But he also sucked as a Ranger, let’s be honest.

          • Walt says:

            MC

            He may have played poorly with us, no argument, but to say Step was better is a bit of a stretch. Also, please remember Step always had the best wings with him, who were better than Carolina’s. I personally am glad we didn’t sign Eric, but he is still better than Daisy!!!!!

            • Mancunian Candidate says:

              Staal’s been better the last two seasons, and definitely his five-season run at the beginning of his career is beyond anything Stepan ever achieved. But let’s not forget Stepan played 80+ playoff games while Staal endured a five-season playoff drought. Staal was also making $8 million a year during that playoff drought, which prohibited Carolina from improving the team after the Cup winning roster got old.

        • King Sieveqvist ! King Sieveqvist ! says:

          Thanks Walt! You can’t bitch the guy didn’t produce when he was used very little and in the wrong spot for Christs Sakes!

      • odielicious says:

        Staal is a really tough topic.

        I believe there is alot more below the surface on this particular deal and player. He didn’t fit the Coach’s play style, he was hurt at the time or got hurt, and his relationship with his younger brother. And his younger brother’s relationship with his teammates.

        I for one wouldn’t have made this trade, the dynamics were the sole issue not the player. And I believe this was the determining factor on why he wasn’t resigned. It just wasn’t a good fit for him or for the Rangers.

  12. Emile the Cat says:

    I can live with the Grabner trade, would I have liked “more” sure… but it’s palpable as far as I’m concerned… Pitt was interested in Grabs but probably didn’t value him more than the Devils did, they desired an established center iceman with playoff credentials and some future control… Gorton doesn’t have to redeem himself, however he must establish himself as a power GM with what transpires with McD and Nash. The bar has somewhat been set, Gorton has to prove to us he’s the man.

  13. John B says:

    Wow. Normally I just scan through the revisionist histories and misinformation here and laugh and move on. But it’s really deep in here today.

    We let Eric Staal leave almost 2 years before signing Kevin Shattenkirk? We let him go because of the Girardi and Staal contracts and choosing Miller and Hayes over him. Also Eric Staal was hurt in his first game with the Rangers which limited him.

    Derrick Brassard is a much better overall player than Michael Grabner. Brassard plays more in all situations, drives offense for others and possession. Grabner is a PKer, 3rd line winger. Brassard performs better in the playoffs than Grabner, and still has one year left on his contract vice a UFA. Ergo, Brassard has significantly more value and fetched more in a return.

    Sebastian Janikowski was the highest drafted kicker ever in NFL, at 17th overall by the Raiders.

    • odielicious says:

      there is a another rangers franchise! The Raiders. Who in their right mind drafts a kicker in the NFL first round…LMAO!!!!!!!

      This is all opinion based. And situation based. Look you can focus on misinformation or you can focus on facts.

      Fact: Grabner is one hell of a 3rd liner putting up 50 plus goals the last 2 years.
      Fact: there were only 34 players last year who put up more goals then Grabner and 0 with less ice time.
      Fact: This year there is only 18 players with more goals then him and again 0 with less ice time.
      Fact Brassard had 39 points total last year…Grabner had 40 in less games and less ice time.
      Anyway you want to look at it Grabner is a better performer over the last 2 seasons with much less ice time then most of the NHL. He should have returned much more then essentially the same assets Brian Boyle got tampa.

      It is not revisionist history if you look at real life and what other franchises have given up for the right player. Yes a center is more valuable in the league. But why the hell is rick nash getting 8 million a year then. It is all a matter of marketing your assets and this team has never been able to do that well.

      • Peter says:

        You leave out a critical difference. Brassard has a year remaining on his contract while Grabner is a pure rental who they will lose to free agency unless he chooses to sign with them. That’s is a big difference in value. Also, Brassard is a center. Pitt apparently was willing to lay a lot for a center under their circumstances. The team’s need is always going to be a driver if the price too.

      • Mancunian Candidate says:

        Quit your whining, Odie. That Vegas Knights jersey (size 54?) is waiting for you.