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BSB Round Table – Trade Deadline desires

February 6, 2018, by

It’s trade deadline season, which means a couple of things around Rangerstown, some new and some old. What’s new is that the Rangers, for the first time really in the Henrik Lundqvist era, are set to be major sellers with an eye towards the future (I’m not really counting the Gaborik/Brassard deal because it turned out that Brass and co. were quite the additions). Not so new is what’s fun about this time of year: daydreaming of trades that will likely never come to be and convincing yourself with each passing day that actually they will.

With that in mind, I did a super annoying thing and resurrected an months-old staff email thread on a completely different topic and asked two open-ended questions – who is your dream deadline trade partner, and who do the Rangers end up wrangling away from them? This week we’re doing Ryan McDonagh, but, unless the Rangers steal our thunder by making an actual trade, we’ll hopefully have more for you coming from other angles as well.

All that said, here’s el jefe, Dave:

Marner and a pick, although I see that as unlikely. If it’s truly Tampa, I’d love to grab Point or Sergachev, also not happening. In the realistic sense, I see the Rangers getting a package of Koekkoek and a prospect (Cal Foote?) from Tampa. As for Toronto, there’s a lot to choose from there, but I just want to avoid Zach Hyman.

Becky had similar yearnings for a trade with Toronto and said this:

William Nylander  straight up. I would love more from Toronto, but McDonagh a) hasn’t had a great season and b) has been publicly outed as being injured, which hurts his trade value. Toronto would be smart to take McDonagh, as he is a veteran presence for a very young defense (sans Roman Polak, who is injured) and would be well suited to a Mike Babcock team. The Rangers would get a skilled, very young (21!) center who could mature in to a core team player, and fill a hole that has been empty since the Stepan trade.

Rob started off with a caveat by saying he isn’t as attuned to trade markets or prospects as some (which is also where I’m coming from to be honest) but his answer bears repeating:

Even though there’s “smoke” around McDonagh to the Lightning, I’d prefer to deal with Toronto, if only because I want to avoid a sour grapes scenario of watching the Lightning win a Cup with McDonagh and Stralman helping to anchor their defense.  If we’re speaking in terms of dream return, then I’d absolutely love to get Mitch Marner and a draft pick (which probably won’t be a first rounder).  I’d also take William Nylander (now we’re really talking dreamland), of course.  If they’re insistent on it being Kasperi Kapanen or Josh Leivo, you have to push to include another piece or two (probably a good AHLer and a mid-round draft pick) to make the deal palatable.  Dave has used the Yandle deal as a measuring stick, which works (though I’d argue McDonagh, at his best, is the more complete player; a bona fide #1 defenseman).

Josh took a big picture approach and had this to say:

I personally think all deals will be dependent on who we get for the rentals. While ideally Nash/Grabner get us early picks + prospects I would like to see Holden/DD and any other of the “depth” we have to get us multiple late picks. Instead of a 4th I would like a 5th and a 7th, those kinds of deals.

It is no secret that the Rangers’ biggest needs prospect wise is on defense and wing. For that reason, I can’t imagine McDonagh being traded without a true defensive prospect returning, or a little nudge from the NHL guaranteeing Dahlin. I also can’t see a reverse type deal where Zucc gets us a young defenseman and Mac gets us a young winger because when was the last time a winger returned a good young defenseman? Seems like only a center for wing type deal. If we are ok with being reckless, I would like to see McD to Dallas with salary retention in a deal involving Heiskanen. I think Heiskanen can become a top pair defenseman and he can join the Rangers next season. Dallas gets an immediate upgrade on their defense and they’ll be able to essentially keep the same team intact for next season as well as their big UFAs are Hamhuis/Lehtonen/Roussel.
Now of course you’re all wondering what my thoughts are (right? please say yes) so I’m going to echo what everyone else has said, barring Josh, and point to either one of Mitch Marner or, preferably, William Nylander. We’d be giving up a captain who even before the letter has been the bedrock of the Rangers defense (all apologies to Dan Girardi, but let’s be honest here) in return for an electric, cost-controlled young player who will become a member of the Rangers core for years to come. Likely not going to happen but a sucker can dream right?
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43 comments

  1. SalMerc says:

    Toronto has a wealth of talent. I would love a player they can’t afford like Nylander, but not gonna happen.

    Get a boatload of first round picks and NHL ready prospects.

    • Richter1994 says:

      There’s no question about McD being a great get for TB, the question is does TB have enough to send back to the Rangers?

      I think there are other teams like the Leafs, Stars, and maybe Wild that have better assets to make this work for the Rangers.

      • James1090 says:

        Like I’ve said before the only way you make a trade with Tampa Bay is if Sergachev is in the deal. he is probably the only player on there team that makes sense.

        • Richter1994 says:

          TB doesn’t have enough young available assets IMO.

          The other teams do with both Dallas and Toronto having definite current needs for McD and having a good chance to succeed this year.

          TB is already elite and adding McD would be a luxury that they may not be willing to pay for.

          • James1090 says:

            That’s true. I looked up Dallas to see what they had and there is a lot to be had. Any combination of Honka, Gurianov, Heiskanen plus some picks would be a nice haul.

            • Richter1994 says:

              I want Niscushin and Heiskanen as a package.

              • James1090 says:

                You better fire Lindy Ruff then because that’s why he’s in the KHL.

              • Richter1994 says:

                I believe all he coaches, except for Benoit of course, will be gone.

              • Egelstein says:

                I’d love this return. That’s an 18YO 3rd overall pick who projects as a can’t-miss top pair type, and a 22 YO 10th overall pick who still has plenty of potential and tons of talent, even after being painfully and clearly mistreated by Ruff and the Stars organization in the past. Only thing with Nichushkin to consider/keep in mind (and I don’t know all the ins and outs here of what is possible, to note) is that he does have another year left on his KHL contract after this season.

                That said, I would not at all be shocked if the Stars see Heiskanen as untouchable.

                Lindy Ruff should have never been hired, and no matter what happens with any of the other staff, if he is here next year after this season’s embarrassing shit show of a defensive system and deployment, I will absolutely turn on this entire front office. Enough is enough. I want AV to be fired too, and I’ve not been shy about saying I would have done that on May 10th, 2017 if I was calling those shots.

                However, at least AV has good regular season W-L records and ECF/SCF appearances (albeit, those feel like ages ago by now) to point to to try and stay employed by the Rangers. There is quite literally not one single reasonable plus that can be pointed to to indicate that Ruff has done a good or even just decent job with this defense, in any one area. Complete dumpster fire, top to bottom.

                Many of us have indeed come to the conclusion that AV gives his defensive assistants little-to-no actual control (either that, or three guys in three years have coached this defense the exact same way..I certainly don’t subscribe to that, though). And, if Ruff was a first year coach in this league, then yes…maybe give him a pass for AV’s heavy-handedness. That’s not the case, though. Ruff has illustrated for years now that, like AV, he just doesn’t have a great mind for defensive tactics/systems/deployment.

                With or without any conflict regarding a potential Nichushkin deal, whether or not this apparently masochistic front office wants to give AV a third chance past what should have been taken care of after the Ottawa series, Ruff needs to be gone this offseason…if not any minute now, far as I’m concerned.

  2. 43 says:

    Anything but that Koekkoek guy. I don’t care how good he is, that last name is terrible.

    • Rich S says:

      Well said 43…..i would never be able to remember how to write it in this blog either……and some trollers here correct spelling!

  3. Jimmy says:

    Get a 1st for Nash, a Player for Grabner, and in the offseason, trade McD or Zucc to a team in the lottery that is looking for immediate help, not another young player, in a similar deal as Stepan. I am thinking Oilers / Sabers, teams like that.

    • Andy says:

      I have been in the camp of waiting until the off season to trade McD and/or Zucc..but thinking the fact you can get 2 play off runs with these guys should increase their value.

  4. kevshockey says:

    Koekkoek is not a good choice from Tampa. Rangers would essentially be bailing them out of having to give up on the 1st rounder. Who already barely has a spot on the roster. If Koekkoek is the roster player involved that’s fine but he holds no value in this trade and Gorton should know that. He’s currently the 7th/8th D man on the roster and about to be and RFA. If Tampa trades for McDonagh, they’ve got to jettison a D man almost immediately since they already have 8 on the roster. Gorton can take that spare part but it shouldn’t affect the rest of the value heading back to the Rangers.

    Even looking beyond the end of the season (if McD is acquired) only Koekkoek and Sustr are FA, even if they let Sustr walk there is still no spot for Koekkoek with McDonagh on the roster. Koekkoek has talent but he shouldn’t be a center piece of a return for McDonagh,

  5. Leatherneck says:

    I doubt highly he gets traded to Tampa….they want a 1st round pick in the middle of the pack…teams in that area are gonna be the ones Groton will be looking at. LA, Anaheim, Colorado, San Jose, Dallas, NJ, Philly, Pittsburgh….granted the latter 3 are in our division…foolish to omit them for that reason alone

  6. King Sieveqvist ! King Sieveqvist ! says:

    Get Girardi back …. lmao

  7. Leatherneck says:

    I also doubt Toronto will deal with us

    They have a rebuild plan….I highly doubt they think they are Cup contenders yet but it is possible….highly unlikely though

  8. Richter1994 says:

    I want, for Nash, Grabner, McD, and Zuc:

    3 first rounders
    1 second rounder
    3 prospects/NHL ready young players

    Holden gets a 4th and DD possibly a 5th.

  9. Spozo says:

    Yes it really is the only comparable trade but am I the only one that thinks Mcdonagh is better than Yandle and should net more in a trade?

    • Walt says:

      Well we agree for the first time!!!!!!!

    • Hatrick Swayze says:

      Anyone who doubts McDonagh is a better and more coveted player than Yandle does not know hockey. And I am a big Yandle fan. McDonagh is just on another level.

    • Richter1994 says:

      I think the comparison to Yandle is to use his trade as a starting point for McD. It’s not even close player comparison wise.

      Not to mention that McD has another year left on his contract.

  10. odielicious says:

    My Idle partner, which no one seems to mention, is buffalo. I doubt it will happen because of the NMC in everyone’s contracts but still my wish. I believe there is a ton of depth at center for buffalo and we could get more then we should cause a player of winning pedigree has more value to them since they are a losing franchise. Plus drury still probably has some connections with the franchise.

    MAc for Ristolainen and a pick or depth player. (This is only based on your thoughts on a realistic return I hope for more.)
    Nash or Grabner for Reinhart and maybe late rounder. This one is a real dreamer!

    Reinhart is a 40 point guy who has dropped his plus/minus every year and is not positive yet but is close. So he is getting a much better 2 way game. I could see him really hitting his stride here with the Rangers.

    I doubt any of these trades happen. Just my dreams.

    I personally hate the idea of them trading anyone to Tampa. Any trade to do with yzerman will get the rangers on the short stick. Slats and Gorton are just not in his league. I could see a bidding war for Mac, but he is the only player on this team that can go to any team in any position in the standings and still get a good return, just never in a million years can I see him willingly go to Buffalo. His teams are more likely Chicago, Minny, Tampa, basically any contending on northeast to Central north in the states. I don’t see him going to a Canadian team no matter who. More low key guy don’t think he would like that pressure since he is coming from NY.

    • Mancunian Candidate says:

      Thank god you’re not the GM. McD for Ristolainen and a pick would be utter robbery. Ristolainen is nowhere near McDonagh in ability. Plus it’s “ideal” partner, not “idle” partner.

      • odielicious says:

        I dont spell so good. I am sorry but that is the most thought out reply to me yet so I thank you Mancunian. Your response was thoughtful and touching and I just want to say Thanks!

        I am assuming you troll me for the fun of it. Don’t really care. You are the same loser on here everyday just like me so what does that say about you? Maybe I am not that much different from you? No I shouldn’t say that …cause I don’t troll people to make myself feel better.

        I try to answer with thought. I never realized this was formal blog with spell check and the likes but hey when you run out of ammo throw in the occasional spelling mistake. You obviously got my point. Just cause someone differs from you doesn’t make them stupid. Different is scary…I think you wanting to live in england is a great idea. You can’t fix stupid so might as well send them back to england.

        Want to talk stupid ideas? How about that Mac is less of a player then Chara! Now there isn’t one person on here who would even remotely think that for that one exception! And you can guess what intelligent thoughtful person said that!

        • King Sieveqvist ! King Sieveqvist ! says:

          Odel … Well said … He’s still butthurt over my screen name so you have to forgive him … Nah just kidding … Lmao

          • Mancunian Candidate says:

            Actually I like your screen name. It self-identifies you as a moron. When idiots publicly identify themselves as such it makes life less difficult.

        • Mancunian Candidate says:

          Odie—I comment on your posts because I think they’re terrible. You’ve jumped on other posters here as well, so deal with it. Go get a box of Kleenex and dry your tears.

      • Peter says:

        Ok, well how about Reijo Ruotsalainen then! 🙂

  11. Mikeyyy says:

    Good thing it’s a deep draft. Means 1st 2nds and 3rds are very valuable.

  12. Bloomer says:

    I got my money on Nash going to Dallas. Hitchcock is an old school coach and likes the kind hockey that Nash brings.

    Speaking of old school coaches…I believe Darryl Sutter is available. The man has 2 Stanley Cup rings and is good with young players. He would whip the Rangers back into contention.

    • Mancunian Candidate says:

      Daryl Sutter is unlikely to return to pro coaching—he’s a junior team owner in Canada and he also runs a cattle ranch. The Kings had to convince him to coach in LA for as long as he did. His record was spotty in LA, he did win Cups—but when he left the team was in decline and had missed the playoffs in consecutive seasons. I’d argue that a coach who didn’t win a Cup with Doughty & Kopitar as top players would’ve been an ultramaroon.

  13. BOBBY B says:

    I am all for shaking things up, as long as the young talent we get back in return have some edge to their game. Obviously we need younger bigger /faster players who have NHL ready in their pedigree . Lets make sure they have backbones too, will also take the body and play physical , and most of all stand up for each other!!. Yes, I see Darryl Sutter as a prime candidate to replace Mr Softy AV!!

  14. Larry says:

    William Nylander ? C’mon guys, be real.
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  15. odielicious says:

    That was my whole point. People on here just troll for fun. I get it, but I am older and wiser then when I was a kid. If you say something try to actually read someone’s post.

    I wrote Mac for Ruotsalianen and a pick but said that since the guys running this site felt in most of their comments that mac would only return a NHL player and a pick…I would stick with their trend.

    I personally hope for more. Which I wrote. So obviously you didn’t read the post and just saw something you could attack and jumped on it. Go get laid and relax alittle and stop jumping to conclusions about me. I am alot smarter then you give me credit for cause I am not a ball washing Lundquist fan.

    In order to set the record straight about my feelings toward Hank…I will simply say he is a great goalie in the NHL just highly overpaid. If he was making half salary like Mack I would have nothing bad to say about him.

    • Mancunian Candidate says:

      Actually, you wrote McD for Ristolainen, not Ruotsalainen. But hey—who cares anyway?