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Feb
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Checking in on the Tampa smoke

February 5, 2018, by

ryan mcdonagh

Over the weekend, Rangers world lit up with news that the Blueshirts were talking to Tampa Bay about a deal, potentially involving Ryan McDonagh. It was a rumor that came from Elliotte Friedman, which had more fuel added to it when it came to light that Chris Drury was in Syracuse scouting Tampa’s AHL team, the Crunch.

Someone else on the broadcast (I’m drawing a blank here, sorry) mentioned that the Bolts might try to dangle Tyler Johnson in this type of deal. That makes little sense for the Rangers, as they already have Mika Zibanejad and Kevin Hayes with solid center roles, and have Filip Chytil and Lias Andersson on the way. Plus, why would the Blueshirts take on Johnson’s six (!!) remaining years at $5 million, with a full no-trade kicking in next season? The kicker is that Johnson is already oft-injured.  No, the Blueshirts would want something totally different from the Bolts.

The first ask from the Blueshirts would be one of Brayden Point or Mikhail Sergachev. Both would be hard no’s from Tampa. Off the roster, I can see the Rangers potentially getting Vlad Namestnikov, who appears to be having a breakout season. Slater Koekkoek is another possibility. Neither on their own is enough to land McDonagh, but would certainly be a starting point.

If we are using the Keith Yandle trade as a frame work (John Moore (young NHLer), Anthony Duclair (close to NHL ready top prospect), 1st, 2nd), then the Rangers would be asking the Bolts to add a prospect and picks to one of Namestnikov or Koekkoek. Cal Foote is the logical prospect, as he was their 2017 first round pick. However Foote is not playing in Syracuse this season, he’s still in the WHL. Ditto Brett Howden, their first rounder in 2016. Neither are close to the NHL.

The name on the Syracuse roster that jumps out at me is Mathieu Joseph, the Bolts’ fourth rounder in 2015. Joseph, a 6’1″, 180 lb RW, is having a fantastic year in Syracuse. He’s the leading scorer on the team, with a line of 8-23-31 in 44 games. He certainly fits the mold of potential top prospect to go with one of Namestnikov or Koekkoek.

Per Dobber Prospects, Joseph is a great skater with borderline elite passing skills. He’s more of a playmaker than a sniper, but is still good at creating space for himself to get looks at the net. He’s a strong kid as well. He’s not NHL ready yet, but could be soon.

Matthew Peca is certainly an interesting name, but the 7th round pick falls in the Tony DeAngelo category of aging-out prospect. He’s 24, and while he does have a nice line in the NHL so far (2-3-5 in 6 games), that’s not enough for McDonagh.

Throw in a 1st round pick, and we are cooking here with the Bolts. Namestnikov or Koekkoek, Joseph, a 1st, and probably a 2nd (just to match the Yandle deal) for McDonagh sounds like a solid framework to me. It fits the market value determined by the Yandle trade in 2015 as well.

There is certainly smoke around the Rangers, Tampa Bay, and Ryan McDonagh. It’s been confirmed by multiple sources. The gut reaction at first glance was the Bolts and Rangers don’t match up. But upon further review, there’s certainly a framework here. Now it’s just a matter of seeing if the deal materializes.

"Checking in on the Tampa smoke", 5 out of 5 based on 13 ratings.

50 comments

  1. Richter1994 says:

    Right Dave, no match here, though TB would love to have McD. They supposedly are also checking in on Weber.

    Leafs, Stars, Wild, and Jets seem to be better trade matches with the Rangers.

  2. Walt says:

    There are plenty of other teams that may have an interest in Mac Truck, so why hurry???

    • Chuck A. says:

      Yes, realistically when do we see the first domino fall in this process?

      • Walt says:

        Let’s say in the next two weeks, that’s when we will be out of it for sure, and the offers start coming in!! Just my guess?????

  3. Andy says:

    I tell you what. If there is a possible match with Nylander or Marner in a McDonaugh trade I would be real focused on that vs anything with Tampa.

    • Andy says:

      i’ll go one step further..if Marner or Nylander are involved then if Tampa wants in on Mc Donaugh Point and Sergachev need to become yes’s…

      • Dave says:

        Yes – however if Point or Sergachev become yes’s, then the rest of the package is less. If it’s Point or Sergachev, then you likely need to choose between the 1st or Joseph.

        • Andy says:

          that’s OK by me. Personally I would love to see Marner as a Ranger. But Point or Sergachev and a 1st is a great start. You can maybe a conditional pick too, like a 2nd or 3rd, that becomes a 1st or 2nd if you win the cup and we retain salary. Remember the St. Louis trade? We can easily retain part of McD’s salary this year and next. That will add a lot of Value to Tampa as they are up against the cap. They get 2 shots with Mc Donaugh at half price. . Toronto gets some cap relief next year with Van Riemsdyk, Bozak and Lupul contracts comming off the books so cap retention is less enticing to them, but could add value. There’s lots of moving parts here.

    • Dave says:

      Nylander is going to be a no-go from Toronto, but yes I do agree that if they can get Marner from the Leafs, that should be their go to.

  4. joe cafardo says:

    Considering the depth of talent in the Tampa organisation…can we trade for their scouting dept?

    • Jerry says:

      Excellent point, Joe.

    • Lace says:

      I don’t think we have a bad scouting department. I just think that it’s going to take years to fix it after 2 decades of Sathers’ neglect.
      I would really love to get Marner and a 1st round pick for Mac. If we have to throw in a mid level prospect, so be it. We need a righty Winger and a young top 6 RW is the perfect start.

    • Walt says:

      Joe

      Another organization that values their draft picks. Think about it!!!!! They had so much depth that they traded the Drouan kid to the Canadiens last year………Oh to build a team from the bottom up, but that makes too much sense………….

  5. Lace says:

    Let’s just take a step back here. Do we really want to send another Ranger to TB so they can beat us in years to come? You know they are going to likely pay him to stay. Only the (Sather led) Rangers Pay that much for a player only to let him walk for almost nothing in the summer. They did trade his rights for a 6th round pick before FA period began.
    My point isn’t that we shouldn’t trade him to TB. My point is this should be very unlikely. TB is an eastern conference team and the Rangers should want more from the Bolts in order for them to win the Mac stakes. With that said, will TB pay that during the season? Deals like that don’t usually materialize during the season. However, if TB feels this is their year and want to pay big to go for it, Gorton should take advantage of Yzerman as much as he can. If he won’t pay, wait for a Western Conference team to call. I could see Edmonton and their porous defense wanting McDonagh.

    • Jerry says:

      Hi Lace,

      My take is a bit different. I would trade any of the following
      Nash
      Grabs
      Zucc
      McD
      also DD and Holden if anyone will take them
      to ANY team who will give us the best return. That return being some combination of YOUNG NHL player, prospect draft picks.

      The Rangers need to get their own house in order before worrying about a Tampa dynasty.

      As to the Oilers and McD. I don’t see anything there. The reason being the Oilers are in cap hell and it will get worse.
      They have very large contracts with McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins and Draisaitle (please excuse the spelling) and significant contracts with others like Russell, Sekera, Lucic, Klefbom, Talbot, Larsson, and Nurse is going to get paid big as well
      So unless the Rangers receive someone off that list (please God, not Lucic) I can’t see the Oilers being able to take on a McD contract that he’ll receive the end of next year.

      Let’s think about the Ranger’s future surrounding returns on the above and not be concerned with making other franchises better.

    • mike says:

      LAce i get where your coming from, but if we are tearing it down next year will not be a year we generally care about TB either.

      Best case is that TB makes the same mistake with McD that they did with Cally, too much money and too long term for a guy on backside of career.

      I love Ryan McD, but it is obvious that he is not the same player he was a few years ago, and if someone in our conference wants to overspend it will help us down the road.

  6. Eugene says:

    Tampa doesn’t have anything rather then Kucherov what would be interesting Rangers….

    • Hatrick Swayze says:

      Very much disagree with you on that one. Sergachev would be a hell of a return- though probably not realistic.

  7. Bloomer says:

    I think it’s important that the Rangers keep MCD and Zuc at the very least for another season. They have reasonable contracts and both are still playing good hockey. When the baby is throw out with the bathwash the team could lose all chemistry and their be nothing to build on. Zuc is the catalyst for the Rangers offence and Mac truck anchors the Blueline. Move the UFAs for now, retool with some youth and go from there.

    • Peter says:

      While I understand your sentiments, the flip side is that McDonough’s contract expires after next season. His trade value will diminish significantly after next season. The Rangers therefore need to decide now whether they envision trying to resign him or deal him hoping to revitalize the team through a significant trade. They could walk away with a nice haul for Ryan, so his trade value should at least be explored. If they are not offered enough to justify trading the cornerstone of their defense corps, then by all means keep him. Regarding Zuccarello: he brings a lot of intangibles so his value to the club is beyond what his numbers might indicate. Again, you weigh what you are getting before trading such a player. Grabner’s trade value might never be higher; they need to see what they can get for him. Nash is the perfect rental for some team with real cup aspirations.

  8. Al says:

    It doesn’t matter who they trade or what they get back in return. If this coach and his staff excluding Allaire aren’t gone nothing will change. Get a coach who willing and knows how to develop young talent. Also a coach who coaches not stands there all night chewing gum. Enough already!

  9. Agentsmith says:

    Do we really need to send him in conference?

  10. Catch22 says:

    Get the best return you can and all, but…can we really trade a second consecutive captain to the Bolts?

  11. Jack says:

    Jake Dotchin and Cal Foote for Mcd…

    Brady-Dotchin
    Smith- Tony/Graves
    Shattenshit – Foote

  12. Ray says:

    A deal with Tampa Bay is a natural. If the talk here is at all indicative, the Rangers will let go of McDonagh at bargain basement prices and TB is a quality organization that knows how to evaluate players.

    Seriously, mentioning McDonagh and Yandle in the same breath ??? Yes, Ryan has disappointed by not emerging as one of the best five defensemen in hockey, but he is easily top fifteen and probably top ten. A general rule is that you don’t trade players at his level, ever. There are exceptions, but neither the Ranger organization nor BSB is clever enough to figure out how to break the rules.

    Personally, Zuccarello is my favorite Ranger and I would regret his departure as much as most would regret trying Hank. But, as part of a rebuild a Zuccarello trade sort of makes sense. A McD trade does not. Maybe you could sign him now to a 3 year $8M/yr extension.

    • Mancunian Candidate says:

      Karlsson, Subban, Doughty, Vlasic, Burns, Hedman, Letang, Chara, Klingberg, Pietrangelo, Giordano, Brodie, Josi just off the top of my head are all better than McDonagh. As much as I love the guy he’s top 20 at best in this league. Not much of a goalscorer anymore either.

      • Ray says:

        I rest my case.

        • Mancunian Candidate says:

          On what? The fact that I disagreed with your calling McDonagh top 10 in the NHL? I think it’s a good idea to trade McDonagh. His next contract is likely to be in excess of his actual worth by a wide margin. He’s got a lot of extra hockey in his recent past with all the playoff runs NYR has made. He’s a very valuable trade piece that even Gorton should be able to get good value for.

          • Ray says:

            I shouldn’t bother, but …

            I said “People here undervalue McD.”

            You said, “Oh yeah, well I think McD is worth less than you think he’s worth.”

            My point exactly.

            • Mancunian Candidate says:

              What you said was that if the talk around this blog was indicative of anything he’d be traded for “bargain basement prices”. That is open to interpretation—it could mean that like a lot of fans, you think Gorton will be hosed by Yzerman in any potential McDonagh deal.

              Seriously, go look at it. You imagine a lot, Ray. And you think McDonagh is worth $8 million a year for his age 30-33 years, I don’t— if that’s the contract number he’s looking for, I’d say the Rangers pretty much have to trade him.

              • odielicious says:

                You can’t value a defensemen based solely on offensive production. Can mac get shots through like Burns? No, but does Burns get burnt constantly for pinching?

                Saying Chara or Vlasic or Klineberg is better then mac is just exactly what ray said.

                Every defenseman has something to offer. And Mac can close the gap like no other in this league when he is healthy. This season I don’t think he has been healthy one day.

                Mac is defenitely in the Top 10. Is he on Doughty level? No, but he is not asked to play 27 to 28 minutes a night. Mack and Hedman I think are identical. Go look at their stats over their perspective careers and I am pretty sure Mac has out produced him. And Hedman didn’t have Giardi as his partner for 4 or 5 seasons.

              • Ray says:

                Look. Don’t you realize we are saying the exact same thing?

                I said that “I think McD is better than typical BSB community thinks he is.”

                You (a typical BSB community member) said, “No, he’s not as good as you think.”

                It’s just opinion. You think I overvalue McD and I think you undervalue McD, both ideas being totally consistent with the absolute fact that I think McD is better than you think he is.

                And I added my fear that if the Ranger brass undervalues McD, they may sell him cheap.

                As for $8M/yr, well compare McDonagh to Shattenkirk. Supposedly $6.5M/yr was a bargain for a player I see as far below McD.

                And Nicklas Lidstrom won a Norris Trophy at 40. It used to be that defensemen got better with age as they learned the game.

            • odielicious says:

              Totally agree Ray…guys on here and in the front office don’t realize the true value of players. Mack is always the 1D pair on the olympics? People rate his performance on a daily basis and something about us NY’ers is we always remember the bad before the good.

              People love Yandle and he is garbage. Utter Garbage hence his location on a cellar team. Every time. He has offensive ability but he just is unaccountable in the D zone…this is why he signed in Florida cause no one else wants him.

              Mac is a rare item and yes he is aging but still has 5 years or so worth of value. It is more likely the system and his defensive partners that have always made him less of a player. He is no PK subban but here is up there with the best.

              I want someone who is not going to be a cancer in the locker room and has significant upside to Mack in a trade and all the guys here are all talking about cancers that other teams simple don’t want.

              I would rather Mack and his low contract then these ideas. MAck for subban, ellis, karlsson i am game. otherwise keep him.

  13. Swarty says:

    As I have noted on 10-12 occasions I would to see Namestnikov coming here and planted firmly between Zuch and Buch.

    Koekkoek is solid and has extensive cup run experience and for those keeping score I noted him as a worthy target some weeks back.

    Agree on the “no’s”. Steve is not letting go of either of them guys.

  14. tanto says:

    Bottom line, if we’re trading McD we’re going to be the ones doing some fleecing (for a change). The conversation has to be a 1st rounder (of course it will be a late 1st rounder) plus a TOP almost can’t miss prospect. Otherwise I say wait for the draft and trade him for a better quality 1st round pick “plus”.

    I’m not quick here to trade away anything but our UFAs like Nash, Holden and reluctantly Grabner. I think the root of the problem lies with a stale coaching staff and that has to start the conversation of a rebuild on the fly We have young talent that should be ready to step in next year and provide the needed depth, but without a staff that is willing to suffer through a few youthful bumps here and there we’ll suffer through another sub-par year.

  15. Spozo says:

    Why are we assuming it’s Mcdonagh and not Nash/Grabner/Zuke that TB is interested in?

    • Mancunian Candidate says:

      To that point—supposedly Nash submitted his no-trade list to the Ranger front office. But to play devil’s advocate—Yzerman is a smart GM, acquiring McDonagh for 2 playoff runs could be a stroke of utter genius. Hedman and McDonagh as Tampa’s 1 & 2 on the left side would be insane.

      • tanto says:

        … but OUR price needs to start with Sergachev otherwise I don’t see a deal to be had … and I don’t see Yzerman doing that.

        • Mancunian Candidate says:

          Sadly, Gorton will probably end up with Namestnikov or Johnson and a low 1st rounder at best for McD. Yzerman will likely be fleecing Gorton.

          • Jerry says:

            I hope not!
            But then Stevie Y surely remembers the Martin St Louis trade. You remember the one, where St Louis ONLY would accept a trade to NY, yet Stevie Y still took Slats to the cleaners. Callahan AND two draft picks.

            As you so correctly pointed out, McD and Hedman on the left side….. Stevie Y has to salivate over that prospect.

    • Leatherneck says:

      good point spozo……very well could be someone else….Nash turned in his list

    • Dave says:

      I was referencing what Friedman said in his blurb. They could very well be in on Grabner or Nash. Wouldn’t shock me.

  16. avsucks says:

    whomever we trade it must be for young controlable nhl players and draft picks
    we have to think long term. Dont do anything stupid.

  17. Walt says:

    Just read the article where Nash submitted his list of teams. I have a funny feeling that he may return to the Big Apple next season, at a reduced rate, but he’ll return just the same????????

  18. odielicious says:

    Sather is the worst GM in the NHL at evaluating his players. Plain and simple. To use any trade he had a hand in adds no context to reality. So don’t use yandle as a example. Or Cally. These were horrible trades. Dont forget this is the GUY THAT TRADED THE GREAT ONE FOR NOTHING!

    In a realistic sense Mac should return a high first round prospect on AHL level or High level youthful NHLer. Plus at the very least a first round pick with the option for another if said team makes it to the finals in the following playoffs. And that would be the minimum I would take.

    Or simply a player for player trade like Subban for Weber as a example. With maybe a pick added in a later round.

    Mac is not a salary dump so I can’t see player for player. Only way mac gets traded is for youth and lots of of it. Maybe a Center and a Defensive prospect with a 1st round pick. Trading him for anything less would be a crime.

    I am not saying that a trade for something less won’t happen. I just personally would not pull the trigger. This is just a off season and with year under their belts maybe Chytil and Andersson come up and this is a whole new team. But as we all type on here we are short 2 centers and championship teams are built down the middle. And certainly not with DD as their 3rd or 4th center.

  19. Jeff P says:

    What do McD and Sergachev have in common? They were both stolen from Montreal!