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Exploring the trade value and possible destinations for Ryan McDonagh

January 29, 2018, by

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Back in August, we explored the possibility of the Rangers trading Ryan McDonagh. The comments section is kind of funny, but at the time of the post there were already “rumblings” that the Rangers had a deal for him with Edmonton at the 2016 draft. The deal had the #4 pick heading to New York. It’s something Elliotte Friedman confirmed a week ago. Then in December, Chris Watkins wrote about what McDonagh could possibly fetch in a trade.

With the news that the Rangers are all but guaranteed to be sellers, it’s time to revisit the situation. For the Rangers, McDonagh is their most valuable piece in a trade, certain to bring back a haul. From a business perspective, it makes sense as well. McDonagh’s deal expires at the end of next season, when he will be 30 years old and due for a big time deal, roughly around six years and $6.5 million. For a team that needs to avoid bad deals, McDonagh’s deal would be bad, even if he is one of our (my) favorite Rangers.

Any acquiring team would be getting a full season and a pair of playoff runs with McDonagh at just $4.7 million. Teams in need of a top pairing defenseman to solidify their playoff rosters will be licking their chops to land him.

The most recent trade of a defenseman near his caliber is the Keith Yandle trade. The Rangers sent John Moore, Anthony Duclair, a first rounder, and a second rounder for Yandle, Chris Summers, and a 4th round pick. Essentially the trade was a young roster player, a top prospect, and two top picks for Yandle, an AHLer, and a mid-round pick. That’s our baseline to go from. There’s some flexibility here, as Duclair was easily more valuable than Moore. The better the NHL talent coming, the less you can expect to see in a return.

Examining Chris’ post more, he mentioned three potential landing spots for McDonagh: Winnipeg for Jacob Trouba, Toronto for William Nylander, and Edmonton for a pair of top prospects. Chris’ trade machine is accurate, however I think it does underestimate McDoangh’s value. After all, his trade machine is based on logic, and we’ve seen time and time again that some NHL GMs don’t have that trait.

Using the Yandle trade as a baseline, while keeping Chris’ predictions in our mind, we can reasonably guess how much McDonagh will fetch. As for the trading partner, let’s dive into this a little deeper. For the sake of the post, let’s assume McDonagh isn’t going anywhere in the Metro Division. Worth noting that Chris’ trade machine picks out three very good fits for McDonagh, although I can’t really see Edmonton making a buy-now move.

Looking at Toronto first, I find it hard to believe Nylander will be focal point. Mitch Marner, however, could be. A right-handed shot on the wing would look good next to Filip Chytil or Lias Andersson. The problem with the Leafs is their precarious cap situation. Assuming bodies and cap hits can be worked out, we could feasibly see McDonagh in Toronto for a Marner package. Taking a shot in the dark here, perhaps something like McDonagh and a mid-rounder to Toronto for Marner, a 2nd, and a lower prospect? Might be doable.

Assuming the Jets still want to part ways with Trouba, I can see something like this happening (Update: He’s now hurt, so that throws a wrench into the Trouba thing). There are no cap issues with Winnipeg either. Like with Marner, I can’t see this being a one-for-one swap. I know it’s kind of a cop out, but I can see the above situation playing out here too, with a 2nd rounder and a lower prospect coming with Trouba and a mid-rounder or a lesser prospect (Ryan Gropp?) heading the other way.

The funny part here is that Vegas might be a team intrigued by McDonagh. Simply put, they are not a good team on defense, and have been relying on scoring and Marc-Andre Fleury the whole year. Vegas actually fits what would be the “Yandle” model here, as it looks like the Rangers would need to take a lesser roster defenseman back to make space on the Vegas blue line. Colin Miller seems to be the odd man out there. However the Vegas prospect pipeline, as expected, is very thin. They have three first rounders from last year (Erik Brannstrom, Nick Suzuki, Cody Glass) that the Rangers would want to choose from. Then to add another first rounder could potentially cripple an expansion team’s farm. I can see Vegas needing a McDonagh-type guy, but I’m unsure if they’d pull the trigger.

I do see Dallas as a dark horse though. A McDonagh-John Klingberg pairing would be lethal in the West, and boy could Dallas use another defenseman. I don’t see them parting with Miro Heiskanen, but if they don’t then I can’t see this deal getting done. Dallas’ system is bare and they don’t have many young roster players.

There might also be a fit with Nashville, with Eeli Tolvanen coming back the other way. Nashville is in their window to win, and has both the cap and the roster space to make this work.

I’m sure there’s a team I missed as well. It’s going to be an interesting few weeks leading up to the deadline. However this McDonagh trade, if it happens, is the biggest moment in Jeff Gorton’s history with the Blueshirts. This is one trade that he cannot botch.

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72 comments

  1. Richter1994 says:

    Toronto should be (and I think that they are) the first team on the Rangers’ list.

    #1 They have the assets, both young (Nylander, Marner) and vet (JVR) that would be attractive to the Rangers. I do not think they would part with Nylander, but Marner, a first, and a prospect? Yeah, that’s do able.

    #2 They have a HUGE need for a stabilizing top pair D man as their D is mostly very young. McD would fit like a glove there.

    Trouba is now out for 6-8 weeks. Would the Rangers trade McD for a now hurt Trouba? Probably since Trouba would be for next year any way. McD for Trouba straight up after Trouba agrees to a new contract with the Rangers.

    Dallas? Nichisuin (spelling?), a first, and 2 very good prospects?

    Bottom line is, McD should generate a bidding war but Gorton should not overplay his hand and turn potential suitors away. 2 playoffs with McD on their team at $4.7M per? That’s worth a lot boys and girls and would replenish the Rangers’ talent pool nicely. Or, at least, it should, lol.

    • Richter1994 says:

      Adjustment for Jets’ trade: McD for Trouba and Kyle Connor.

      • Mancunian Candidate says:

        Man, I don’t get your fascination with Trouba. McD for him straight up would be robbery on Winnipeg’s part, and would cement the idea that Gorton is an overmatched yahoo in the GM’s seat. Trouba plus a first and a prospect? Maybe. But I’m leery of how often he’s been shopped by Winnipeg, despite his age/skill etc.

        No way do I want Marner coming back for McD. Marner is undersized and though skilled is nowhere near enough of a return for McD. Same with Van Riemsdyk. Nylander is the target on Toronto I hope.

        • Richter1994 says:

          Trouba, when healthy, is a top D man in the league and he’s righty. Very important to the Rangers. But that’s why I added Kyle Connor to the trade. Connor is behind the top forwards on the Jets but would be a nice fit here.

          I think you’re underestimating Marner but add a first and a very good prospect and I think that’s a fair deal.

          • Swarty says:

            So here is a theoretical – trash it if you must but think through it first and priced some feedback to make it more realistic.

            I saw a lot of Erik Karlsson up close and personal this weekend.

            Would you be willing to trade McD in some shape or form for Karlsson?

            Obviously EK is an elite talent but he could walk with nothing coming back to the Sens. Taking McD gives them a top tier dman who they could flip next year at the deadline if he doesn’t look singable.

            For the Rangers – giving up McD requires some skill certainty to come back. EK not a certainty but he can be signed as a
            condition of trade. He is a Swede and I am pretty sure we have one or two of those on the team already

            Maybe bring In a third team to even things out or throw in a Vesey, etc.
            Can also throw in some conditional picks both ways based on either one signing.

            Having some creative fun here so don’t hit me too hard.

            • Rich S says:

              Swarty,
              Like the ideas especially ”’Having some creative fun here so don’t hit me too hard.”’…….one never knows what can happen…..
              Months before the PK Subban trade I posted the idea of a swap for Mcdonagh , never thinking the habs would trade him….but they did…..
              To me Vesey is a keeper , and when we get a new coach vesey, miller will become stars…..

            • Richter1994 says:

              I would say no. 8 years at $10M per? No thanks.

              Use McD to replenish the young talent pool here as he should be able to bring back a real haul.

            • rangermom says:

              Pass. EK is awesome. He will also cost $10 million, and we already have one Swede making that kind of money. We should be looking for the next Erik Karlsson — young, talented and cheap.

        • Jerry says:

          Morning MC.

          I couldn’t agree with you more about Truba.

          I will respectfully disagree about Marner. First of all I doubt Toronto parts with Nylander, who would, by far, be my first choice.

          Marner is 8 years younger than JVR, shoots right, is a right wing who can play center, faster skater, and has much more of an offensive upside than JVR.

          On the other hand JVR is much bigger body, and today might be a bit better defensively. Defensive positioning can be taught, especially to a smart and gifted 20 year old. But for that education, we’d need a coaching staff that is capable of teaching as well as the patience to live with a young player’s mistake(s).

          So I guess taken as an isolated deal, a JVR for McD trade certainly has it’s merits, but I’d like to think JG has a real plan where, instead of acquiring odd pieces that do not fit the overall LONG TERM scheme, he gets players that will fit a Ranger TEAM concept.

          Just my opinion, and as I’ve stated before, I’m terrible at predicting trades.

          • Walt says:

            Jerry

            You and I usually agree on most things, but with the Trumba deal, well we don’t. The guy is younger than Mac, shoots right, can play both sides on defense, and is signed for a few years if I recall correctly. His game is a bit more physical than Mac’s, and he wants to play top minutes, and would get the chance to do just that here. Time will tell what happens but I could see the kid in Ranger Blue, and be happy about it!

            • Jerry says:

              Waly my dear friend, you’re 100% correct, we do agree about most things. I respect you and your knowledge along with your contributions to the boards.
              I would love to see Trouba as a Ranger. But the point I was trying to make, is that I feel JG can get more for McD. And maximizing our return for not only McD but the whole group I am touting as trade candidates (Nash, Grabs, Zucc, McD, DD, Holden) is paramount.

              If JG doesn’t lose his mind, and trade him away, I believe we have a real sleeper D-man in Sean Day. 20 years old, shoots left but can play the right side, 6’3″, 230 pounds, mean with an offensive game to boot.

              There will be growing pains, but with D’Angelo, Pionk, Day and even Graves if used properly, and the Russian prospect who returned to the KHL, the Ranger D-cupboard might not be quite as bare as one might think.

              • Walt says:

                Jerry

                Like you, all I’ve read about Day indicates he is going to be a stud. I guess we have to have trust in JG, and that he will do the right thing!

              • Rich S says:

                Sorry Jerry,
                Sean Day is not a sleeper…..many scouts expect him to be a star and he will hopefully be our best defenseman since Leetch….but bigger and better defensively……
                Grabner is too great a player and a great example to the younger players to trade…..or lose…..[how did that strallman loss work out for us?]
                The cupboard is loaded….day, chytil, andersson, ronning, igor, pionk, russian, gettinger……..I still like deangelo!

          • Richter1994 says:

            Hi Jerry, after a slow start because of his sitting out, Trouba was one of the best players on a now very good team, according to the Jets’ beat writers.

            He’s righty, plays both sides of the ice and can skate better than McD, which is saying something.

            • Mancunian Candidate says:

              If he’s that good, why would Winnipeg trade him?

            • Jerry says:

              Ric,

              As I explained to Walt, I am not downplaying Trouba as a player. He’s one of the better D-men in the West. And I’d love to see him as a Ranger. 6’3″, 23 yrs old and something around $2MM per year.

              My point is only I feel JG can get more of a return for McD, than Trouba alone.

            • Fotiu is God says:

              You have my blessings, Shadow GM/Anthony.

              No doubt Kyle Connor has a high ceiling. (Believed he played for Red Berenson at Michigan, which means hockey smarts.)

              Nonetheless I’d still prefer that we get one of Winterpeg’s bigger forwards in any Trouba/McD deal you’re able to shape.

              Either Joel Armia or Brendan Lemieux. In the latter we could project a player similar to Matthew or Brady Tkachuck: Nasty but skilled

              • Jerry says:

                On the money!!!!!!

                Nasty and skilled, what a concept!

              • Rich S says:

                Nasty and skilled……….I still think evander kane would be terrific on broadway!!!!!! Would thrive playing in the garden……
                we need some bangers to compete against the up and coming big, bad bruins……

              • Richter1994 says:

                I’m just spit balling bro, but the Jets may be more willing to part with Trouba now, given his injury will effect this year’s playoff run.

                Replacing him with McD, who gives them a top pair lefty D man is probably attractive to them.

    • Lace says:

      We really need a young right handed winger like Marner. Would love to have Trouba long term. Too many lefties playing the right side at even strength. The other day a pass was made to a streaking Zuccarello. It was a perfect pass that lead Zuc but since he’s a lefty his stick is behind him instead of in front and he was therefore unable to get a good shot off. Very few players have made a career out of playing the off wing full time. Zuc does it well but he will miss out on scouring chances because he’s on his off side at even strength.

      • Richter1994 says:

        The lefty/righty issue is very understated, as you just mentioned. It is a problem for the Rangers, having too many lefties is a problem, not an issue, a problem.

    • Fotiu is God says:

      Bro: No to JVR. He’s an empty suit.

      A la Bobby Ryan in Ottawa, JVR’s game has been reduced to a noticeable shift here. Maybe another there.

      Then you assume he’s in street clothes for his complete absence.

      Yes to Valeri Nichushkin–a bigger version of Anisimov–and perhaps the centerman to Buchnevich next season. Inasmuch isn’t he at the center of some off-ice heat: Doping?

      If Dallas is a suitor, I don’t see any other potential Fs of note.

      • Richter1994 says:

        McD-Klinger as the first pair? wow, lol.

        I’m sure that Dallas can give us Nich, their #3 overall D man (Mari something?), and a first?

        What do you think?

      • Swarty says:

        As you know I am in on Valeri Nichushkin – High ceiling that has thus far only scratched at its potential and a much needed young running mate for Buch.

        Plus we shared the same covert contact during my first stint in Witness Protection….

  2. JrRangersDad says:

    I think one of the bigger questions that needs to be asked is “do the Rangers have other options if they do not get a high quality defenseman in return?” Unless the rangers get one in the Nash or Grabner deals, the latter less likley, then The McDonough deal has to include one…which arguably takes Toronto out of the mix. Dave, perhaps an article on how the Rangers rebuild their D corps for next year. No way 3-4 are coming up from Hartford and OHL for next year as that is a full rebuild that will make Lundqvists life miserable.

    • Jerry says:

      Jr Ranger Dad,

      Respectfully, it’s not about making any one player’s life less miserable. It’s all about building a competitive team that will have a real chance of competing for the ultimate prize for years to come. Break this cycle of mediocrity.

      No one player is above the team. That concept is taught in sports starting at the most infantile stages.

      If Hank is upset about a rebuild, whether is be “on the fly”, which seems to be the most reasonable, or a tear down which seems unlikely, he can go to management and request a trade, ala Ray Bourque. He has professed his undying love for the Rangers and the City. If that is the case he’ll live with the much needed changes.

      It will be up to Hank as to which is personally more important to him professionally. Retire as a NY Ranger, the best Ranger goalie to date, or go to a team that can afford him a real chance at the only prize that has eluded him in his illustrious career.

      I think Hank’s future is in Hank’s hands.

      • jrrangersdad says:

        My Lundqvist comment was an afterthought as I don’t have an opinion on him either here nor there. None of our AHL/OHL defensemen have a McDonough ceiling so its best we make sure we get one in one of the trades or from the packaging of picks from these trade in another trade. There is a difference between retool and rebuild. There is enough of a core to retool this team to via for the cup in the near term. A rebuild should absolutely not be in the cards!

        • Ray says:

          “None of our AHL/OHL defensemen have a McDonough ceiling”

          My impression is that Sean Day actually has a higher ceiling. Mind you, his floor is considerably below McD level, so there are no guarantees.

          • jrrangersdad says:

            might very well be but the certainty of that, and timing, is too unpredictable for him to be our answer at this stage. He got traded yet again in the OHL on Jan 1, 2018.

          • Egelstein says:

            I concur, although it is a “big if” for him to put it all together to reach that level. At one point, many projected him as a lottery pick in 2016, but his stock fell (probably a bit more than it really should have) after his progress seemed to stall the few years before that draft. His raw skill – specifically his skating, for a guy that size – is immense. He needs to get it all together and refine those raw skills into an NHL caliber game…but if he does, he could be something special.

            • Walt says:

              He slipped a bit in the draft because he had some personal issues, family related, not for lack of skill!

              • Egelstein says:

                I don’t have any inside knowledge on why it happened, just know he wasn’t exactly tearing it up in the year or two prior to the draft compared to the competition quite the same way he was in his middle teen years when he got the exceptional status label.

    • Egelstein says:

      The Rangers defense has been atrocious (especially the last two seasons), and I personally put a lot of the blame on the system since the cast has changed quite a bit under AV’s system since he came in, yet the results look eerily similar. If the system is the same, then it may not matter what the Rangers do in terms of player personnel.

      • jeff says:

        The move that must be made is the removal of AV as the head coach and out of the organization. Once this is accomplished all the above and below personnel moves will bear fruit.

  3. Walt says:

    I’ll sit back to see what happens here because I won’t play GM, let the pros do their job. Now having said that, the Jets deal of Trouba, and a pick, or prospect sounds fair. The Leafs deal of Marner, along with JVR, or prospect, and picks sounds great as well. Bottom line, we’ll see what the market bares in about 4 weeks. Whatever the deal is, we should come out of it in better shape than we are going into the deadline period!!!!!!!

    • Walt says:

      A side note if anyone knows for sure, does Mac Truck have a limited NTC, that could put the wrench in the gears if that’s the case??????? We talk about the Leafs, and or the Jets, but if Mac won’t consent to it, well we’re back to square one…………

    • Jerry says:

      You’re right Walt. All we do speculate.

      I’m terrible at trade predictions.

      This should be a fun ride going to not only the Feb 26th trade deadline, but the draft as well.

      I like you, want nothing but a team that has a legit shot at the SC. And a team that comes out and plays hard EVERY game, win or lose, effort should never be lacking. Uninspired efforts that we’ve seen all too often this year is inexcusable. We’re both about the same age, similar backgrounds, and have seen our share of bad Ranger teams.

      This is the year my friend, if handled correctly by JG, to start a change that put us in a better position for years to come.

  4. amy says:

    like I said before why would you trade your captain unless there is someone good out there if I were the GM I would try to get a partner for Ryan Mac because what you have now is not any good

  5. roadrider says:

    I still don’t get why WPG would want to trade Trouba for an older guy who will be due a huge contract after next season?

    • Tooth says:

      It’s called the Stanley Cup… Winnipeg is arguably top contender out west.
      You see teams make trades that make them better that very season. The cost is obviously the future… which most users fail to acknowledge on these blogs….
      That is why player X gets your 1st round pick…. your thoughts mean zip. If GM likes the player he makes sacrifice.
      Honestly I don’t see what is so difficult to understand. As a Ranger fan I have watched this play out repeatedly

      • roadrider says:

        Yes, I get the fact that teams in contention for the Cup will often make deals that sacrifice the future for the present, However, I don’t see how swapping out Trouba for McDonagh makes them that much better. That doesn’t mean they won’t do it but I really don’t understand the thinking.

        If Trouba is out for 6-8 weeks, as someone mentioned earlier, then I guess it makes more sense since there’s no guarantee that Trobua will be back for the playoffs or in top form when he does come back. But then the deal makes less sense for the Rangers since they will then have their two top D out for the better part of the remainder of the season.

        The other potential monkey wrench is that IIRC McDonagh has some kind of limited trade protection. Would he be willing to go to WPG? I could see that happening since he will be an UFA after next year and he’ll get a shot at a Cup this year.

  6. D C says:

    Why does everyone want JVR on an expiring contract?
    The whole idea of trading mac is to get younger.
    Give me Marner, a first and Liljegren.
    Sign JVR after the season if you want him so bad.

  7. Mikeyyy says:

    Don’t overvalue your assets because of what they provide for your lineup but for what role will be filled in another lineup.

  8. Eugene says:

    1. Nylander has yet to prove he can play center, he is only 0.7pts a game as a wing of Matthews!!!!! Guys he is not just caliber player (at least yet) you would trade Top 2 D man, you just don’t trade wing for D, only if the wing is Ovi caliber, which Nylander is not.
    2. The same about Marner!!!!!!
    3. Trouba… most probably yes Trouba + something…
    4. Vegas…. Nash yes, for Suzuki and Hague for example, McTrack…. Cody Glass + Hague + something, not sure in Cody Glass

    Rest only in case it leads to Dahlin 🙂

  9. Gary says:

    Brad Park, err I mean Ryan McDonagh to the Bruins. The B’s have a great young D in McAvoy. Then an aging Chara, a one-way Krug, etc. If they are going to be legit contenders they need another big time D. MacD is it. Coming the other way? Brandon Carlo, one of the Bruins recent 1st rounders (prospect) and Jake DeBrusk. 2 young roster players and a top prospect.

    • odielicious says:

      Boston is the perfect example of how this franchise needs to go. I think you comment is very underrated.
      Boston drafted with a purpose and traded to get picks with a purpose. And in three years they look like contenders again. They kept the franchise players Chara and Marchand and got rid of all the dead weight Lucic and the likes. They made some really smarts moves.

  10. pas44 says:

    If your keeping this coach and staff don’t bother to make trades for younger players. In fact if this team is keeping AV, expect more disappointing seasons.

    .

  11. Ranger17 says:

    How about Nash to Minne for Dumba – Coyle and a 2ed We don’t . Then you can pair Dumba with Mc Truck .We don’t now what we have in Pionk – Day or Graves , might be great AHL players but what would they be in the NHL . We don’t need to trade Mc Truck if we can can a 1D to play with him . Teams that need Nash = Boston – San Jose to play with Jumbo – Winnipeg – Nashville ,Caps -.
    F/A next year John Carlson, would fit nice next to Mc Truck , we have a lot of options with out trading him. Next year we could have McT Carlson -Shatty Shjei as top 4 then buy out Staal ,and have your pick from Smith -Day – Pionk -Gilmour Graves -Bryzkolov Spelling .We need to sell but we need to sell to get better and not take a step side ways.

    • odielicious says:

      Totally agree. If the Rangers do the fire sale, trade for RFA’s and picks. Cause the hit to steal RFA’s is too costly so therefore see if anyone will trade one.

      And if there are no takers so be it. Losing Mac for a maybe just doesn’t make sense at all.

      Mac has 1 less goal then Trouba in half the amount of shots on net.
      Mac : 2 goals on 73 shots
      Trouba: 3 goals on 129 shots

      I don’t know about any of you but I think winnipeg’s offense is a boat load better then what we are putting on the ice.

  12. SalMerc says:

    If Mac Truck goes, I want either a first rounder (top 10 pick) or a top 3 forward. We need to score goals. I think we can piece together a defense, but our top 6 need help.

    • Dave says:

      You aren’t getting a top-10 pick for him. The only teams trading for him are in the playoff hunt, and by definition aren’t fetching you a top-10 pick. They also aren’t parting with anyone on their first line if they are Cup contenders.

      • SalMerc says:

        Yes, I know that, but some teams may have other teams picks or have a forward that they won’t be able to afford.

        We cannot let a #1D go for cheap. We need to recoup real value that can help us next year.

        Toronto seems like the best target, maybe they can involve the Canucks

  13. HARLEMBLUES says:

    McD for Trouba doesn’t do any for the Rangers unless a player Conner and a 2/3 pick comes back. McD has high value which some are selling short. Would love to get Nylander in a package with Toronto but would take the highly skilled Marnier. A package of Mitch, JVR and a third does it for me. If not JVR a number one and a second. McD straight up for anybody not named superstar stud doesn’t do anything for New York. We need high skilled players and a lot of them. The Rangers need picks and studs to be. Mitch is extremely fast, skilled and a sniper. Gorton don’t sell short.

    The deal I would like to get in on is sending Henrik to the Blues for one of their goalte prospects like Jake Allen plus Robert Thomas a Number one and a 3. We need players as in skill up front a stud center a true number one. You don’t win a cup without one. Now is the time to reap the benefits of a smart reload.

    • odielicious says:

      the whole JVR deal is just retarded. The guy is going to be a victim of a cap hit. It has been well documented that there is not enough cap space for the leafs to resign him. If the rangers want him so bad then sign him in the offseason.
      Hearing his name just baffles me. Look it up… the guy’s days are numbered in toronto. Just wait it out.
      Nylander/Marnier is the only option.

  14. odielicious says:

    Everyone seems to be stuck on a defensive return for Mac. I just dont think that is all that wise. We are not weak in the defensive area. Graves, Ponik, Day, Shattenkirk, the rest everyone else mentioned.

    Where this team is lacking depth and talent? Rangers should be looking at the Center position. If you are trading Mac then get a top flight center. Young and with NHL experience. Think about how many right handed top flight defensemen are out there at Mac’s price and age? 0…there are none. So in return it is not unreasonable to expect something as similar of a rarity. Hence the whole Nylander idea is the only trade I would take with Toronto. Remember people this is our 1D and our Captain. Lets not let the GM under sell this asset just to get a deal done.

    I for one am still sticking with Buffalo as a valid trade partner for a center. What we choose to give up for a Center with nhl experience and maybe a first round pick is entirely up to Gorton and Slats.

    Picking up another defender for Mac in a trade is the same horrible logic that got us here to begin with. Stick to your guns and ride the shattenkirk wave. Keep your defense mobile and highly offensive. And we have that …DeAngelo, Shat, Holden, Pionk, Graves and Skjei. Day when he is ready. I think the minors is full of talent when it comes to mobile defenseman. I don’t think that really is the way to win but it is time to sleep in the bed you made.

    Why trade 1D for a potential 1D? You know what you have in Mac and what you will get for another 5 years. Where is the upside on a trade like that? Whether we like it or not there is no more Brian Leetch’s out there. B. Burns is the closest thing to him in the modern NHL and he is having a horrible season. And no GM is going to trade Burns for Mac any day of any year. Go for centers and sign FA wingers to add depth. If we end up with too much talent at center so be it …that is a nice problem to have cause we all see the opposite right now on this roster today.

    • jrrangersdad says:

      You trade for a Defensemen for the very same reason that 4-5 teams need him. They are hard to find. If you don’t get it, then we look like these very same 4-5 teams in 2-3 years vying for the cup. And then there goes 2-3 picks again. Get you D-man now!

      • odielicious says:

        But you have one with a good 5 yrs left of prime ability. So now is not the time to move him.

    • Rich S says:

      odielicious
      Makes a lot of sense !!!!
      With the names of our young d men you mentioned dont forget the russian…and i think Smith playing on his natural left side would be solid!
      What top center do you have in mind? If need be, knowing we have hayes and are getting andersson and chytil soon i would even add Zib to the trade and really aim high!

      • odielicious says:

        I understand you all think I am crazy but if there is even the slightest possibility to get John Taveras I would work my tail off as a GM to make it happen.
        Other then that Schelieffe in winnipeg. Nugent Hopkins is another. This all based of Mac leaving in the deal with other asset’s we don’t value here. Like mr. softie himself. Strome is edmonton is another idea. Low end Reinhart seems solid just on a bad team with a bad system and no expectation of winning. Keller in arizona , or that kid in LA Nick shore he looked really good against us.

        I playing arm chair GM I have no idea how the market really is or what teams are really wishing for. I just know that Slats and Gorton have under sold in the past and I want us as the fans to hold them to a higher standard. If you are expectation is Trouba for Mac it is just like getting a newer version of Mac but with a ton of what ifs. Why do it? In 5 yrs or when his contract is up in 2 then shop him for real. Then look for something with a newer shinier youthful body but not now it is just stupid.

        I am not saying to do these trades straight up I would hope for a pick or 2 in replacement. The team taking Trouba is taken a unknown. Not as much as a unknown as a draft pick but he still hasn’t been a 1d pairing yet and is more along the lines of 5th or 6th defenseman in winny that is why he wanted out of there. This season he seems to be getting the minutes but he has a pretty solid partner in Dustin Buf…so? Mac is a known throughout the league. Really hard to play against, physical, great eyes for passing, a quick skater, and a decent shot. He is going to get yet anywhere from 40 to 60 points a season and be a shut down defender.

  15. AD says:

    Been waiting 2 seasons for the Rangers to become sellers into the trade market and bring in a new coach for the reconstruction phase of this club. The past few seasons were so predictable; Rangers management was foolish to think “tweaks” would work and setback the organization. As it stands, we are 4-7 seasons away from being a “true” Cup contender, and not a “let’s roll the dice and see what happens” contender. I suspect many will disagree, carry on.

  16. Ray says:

    Dave, you may be right that the Rangers won’t trade McD to another Metro team, but I think that that is short sighted. It just limits your options. A trade that benefits two teams (at the expense of the other 29) is a good deal for both of those teams regardless of who their trade partner is.

    JFTR, the Rangers have only been thwarted by a Metro team once in the last five years.

    • Egelstein says:

      I think if you can avoid trading him in-division, that of course is the way to go. The only thing worse than trading a player out of necessity that you’d probably rather keep if the money made sense long term is to do so and then have him haunt you for half a decade or more. With that said, if the return from a Metro team blows other possible returns out of the water, you gotta take that gamble.

  17. jrrangersdad says:

    Just in case anyone is holding out hope that Sean Day is the 2nd coming of McD please have a read. Granted I am sure he is playing a bit better than when this was written but nonetheless they make some very good points that puts doubt in him being a 1st line pairing one day and certainly not soon.

    https://bluelinestation.com/2017/10/22/new-york-rangers-analyzing-sean-days-final-ohl-season/

    • Ray says:

      Footnote: So far this season Day has 21 points in 27 games (missed about 20 games so I presume he was injured). That is a higher scoring rate than in previous seasons, but still far from amazing. FWIW, he is +1, which is about middling for Windsor (there are both + double digit and negative players).

      I feel certain the writer of the article you cite is still apprehensive.

    • odielicious says:

      The kids are just that. Kids. It is like me forecasting the Andersson is a flop and he has yet to play an NHL game. We can all have our opinions of the kids but in reality it wont be known til he gets his shot in the NHL or doesn’t.
      Til then I will still think our 7th overall pick last year was a flop. And you will still think Day is never going to be as good as Mac. But both our points of view and those of non professional scouts are worthless. And it is up to that given kid to prove them right or wrong. And that takes time. So lets just assume the best and prepare for the worst.
      Look a opinionated piece from a guy who has never seen a kid play in real life is worthless. Does he go to any games and actually watch these kids play in real life? It is like you or me giving an opinion of a player in the minors. We can look up the stats and write a fluff piece of 500 words or less. Doesn’t mean our opinions are even in the ball park.