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Ryan McDonagh will not make trip to Carolina

November 21, 2017, by

A bit of surprising news here, as Ryan McDonagh will not be accompanying the team to Carolina for their game tomorrow night against the Hurricanes. He has an ab strain that he’s been dealing with for a good portion of the year. Nick Holden is skating with Brendan Smith on the top pair. Steven Kampfer will be with Marc Staal. Kevin Hayes replaced McDonagh on the powerplay.

The only other lineup change is that David Desharnais will be back in for Paul Carey. That was relatively expected.

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58 comments

  1. amy says:

    let’s continue our winning ways tomorrow night in Carolina boys and have a great thanksgiving I am thinking of you guys

  2. Spozo says:

    This could explain his struggles this season. He has had a few “maintenance days” where he has missed practice between games.

    • Reenavipul says:

      Makes perfect sense, but here’s what likely the plan: off until Detroit, see how it responds.

      If he plays against Vancouver, then it’s manageable. If not, then season ending surgery for a sports hernia is likely coming.

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        Again, I know you have a trainer’s background, and I mean no disrespect, but that seems like a rather extreme outcome. Sure, that COULD be the case. But lots of guys have had ab strains that didnt need surgery, only rest.

        What I do know from ab strains is that the R & R involved could take awhile. So on that note, yeah, he could be out for an extended period. We shall see.

        • Reenavipul says:

          Whatever he’s had has gotten worse: you know what gets worse around your abdomen, even with time off?

          Hernias.

          You know how you fix hernias? Surgery.

          The only question is whether he can gut it out, that tells you when the surgery will happen. Because at this point it’s inevitable. Better to get it over with so the team has his headroom in any trade for cap credits.

          Who knows, maybe he makes it back for the playoffs.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Or…sometimes it just requires extended rest. It’s not that absolute. So to say if he’s not back in time for the Canucks game, that means surgery….sorry, I’m not sure I’m ready to buy into that definitive thought process.

            • Reenavipul says:

              As usual, you misread what I wrote(or you just can’t comprehend it.)

              If he can’t play against Vancouver it’s because the “abdominal area injury” responded poorly after the Detroit game, even with extended time off before and one day off between games. It’s no longer a “strain”, it’s structural, which means it’s a hernia.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                This is what you said….

                “If he plays against Vancouver, then it’s manageable. If not, then season ending surgery for a sports hernia is likely coming.”

                This is what I said….

                “So to say that if he’s not back in time for the Canucks game, that means surgery”.

                Isn’t that pretty much the same thing?

                Again, you obviously have a certain knowledge with these injuries that I do not possess. I respect that. But I still do not believe what you are saying is that absolute. I just looked it up (layman’s approach obviously, but that’s all I’ve got to offer), and there are many possible outcomes. The likely one is rest until it heals.

                It is safe to say that there’s a chance he may be out for awhile. We shall see.

              • Reenavipul says:

                And AV announces that McD is out until Sunday, *then* will be evaluated.

                Just schedule the surgery for tomorrow and be done with it.

                But sooper geenius coach will monitor this until Xmas.

                Schmuck.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Yeah….he’s been diagnosed with a “mild strain”. Imagine, the very idea of waiting a few days! Fire them all! 🙂

  3. Richter1994 says:

    That pain in his stomach is from the partners he’s been paired with over the years. It finally got the better of McD.

    As Spozo said, I guess all those maintenance days from the start of the season should have been a good clue.

    • Uptown Girl says:

      Maybe he still can’t get over not having Girardi there

      • Walt says:

        now that’s funny!!!!

      • Richter1994 says:

        you mentioned Girardi and made my side hurt. 🙂

        • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

          Girardi may well get the last laugh when he lifts the Stanley Cup in TB. Meanhwile all the so-called “better options” (McIlrath and Clendo) the last few seasons will be fighting to lift the Calder Cup!

          Now that makes my side hurt with laughter! 🙂

          • Jerry says:

            Yeah Eddie, but McIlrath is in the AHL, and NOT Europe as you predicted.

            • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

              I think i said I wouldn’t be surprised if he was in Europe this year. I doubt I guaranteed it. Either way, I said he was unlikely to be an NHL player, certainly not a difference making NHL player. Appears that is the case with him.

              • Bobby B says:

                Triple E, once again you bring up Mcllrath’s name , I guess you miss him too??, his toughness and presence void is felt BIG TIME. Holden/ Kampfer???, please they can’t intimidate a flea. I witnessed a great documentary tonight ( ICE GUARDIANS) Mcllrath had a cameo in it, So does Nick Fotiu, Bloggers who enjoy the physical part of the sport, its a must see, ( NETFLIX) Awesome film. It documents the importance of toughness and intimidation in the NHL. Gretzky always had McSorley, was it a coincidence that when he got traded by Edmonton to LA, that McSorley was part of they deal, no Gretzky insisted on it!!! Sidney Crosby has had more concussions then any other superstar mainly because the Penguins never had that guy that could point to the other team and say, you touch my guy, 3 of yours will be visiting the hospital. That’s why they got Ryan Reeves, now no one will touch Sid with a ten foot pole. The Caps have Tom Wilson who does the same thing for Ovie. This will be the Rangers Achilles heal ( aside from being weak up the middle and Hank showing his age. ) They will get pushed around at will and they have NO-ONE to answer the bell. I wish he was still on the roster, Lindy Ruff would have made sure he was in the line up on a regular basis!!!

              • Egelstein says:

                Ice Guardians is quite well done. Definitely worth a watch for any hockey fan That said, it’s a very biased take, as it mostly features low-skill enforcers (relative to other NHL players, of course…they would skate circles around me to give credit where it is due) insisting that low-skill enforcers are still necessary. This would be like a documentary about coal power featuring mostly coal industry workers weighing in and forming the opinion of the piece. Not shocking that they’d build a case for coal power, and not really address the reasons coal power isn’t the way of the future.

                There’s no doubt that teammates appreciate enforcers much like anyone would appreciate their friend defending them be it physically, verbally, or otherwise. That’s fairly obvious.

                Where the doubt about enforcers’ true place in today’s game and the future comes in is two-pronged:
                1. How much do enforcers actually PREVENT from happening? How much do they truly open up the game for others?
                2. How much does having a relatively low-skilled player taking up a roster spot each night hurt the on-ice product of the team?

                My opinion? 1. Little. I don’t believe for a second that if Radko Gudas decides he is going to take Crosby out of the game with a cheap shot that he is going to avoid doing so because he might get punched five or ten times by Ryan Reaves. Dirty players are dirty players, and very few dirty players are afraid of some fisticuffs as comeuppance for shenanigans they committed a shift ago. They wouldn’t be dirty players if they were afraid of that. For a Rangers example, I don’t think there was a tough guy in the league particularly afraid of Tanner Glass, personally. Tanner was pretty willing to fight, but willing to fight and excelling at fighting are very different things. I always said that his best fighting attribute was being able to take a lot of abuse; he didn’t go down easy too often. But he also didn’t dominate many fights.

                2. Potentially a lot. Playoff appearances – especially in the current points system designed to manufacture tighter playoff races towards the end of the season – really can come down to a difference of a few goals throughout the course of the season for a team on the bubble. When you have a low-skill player consistently taking up a roster spot for the purpose of maybe punching faces once or twice a week, it has some compound effects. A. That player is less likely to score or facilitate scoring than a more skilled player, of course. B. That player is less likely to be able to prevent the other team from scoring than a more skilled player, of course. C. (Which I feel gets overlooked a lot, to note.) Sometimes those players are only good for about 5 minutes of ice time a night, and those minutes off the ice have to be cycled to others, which over the course of a season could definitely be a significant amount of mileage on those other players.

                If you combine those concepts and look at it on the whole, it is of absolutely no shock to me that in today’s NHL game, where players on the average are more skilled and faster than they ever have been before (due to various factors of course), guys who can’t skate well and don’t have as many tangible skills in the scoring or prevention of goals, who may not even prevent any or many shenanigans from occurring in the first place, are becoming an endangered species.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Eg, brilliant analysis here.

                Bobby, Bobby, Bobby (imagine me shaking my head). What are we going to do with you? You need to park your Delorean and stop with the time travelling back to a bygone era. Wayne Gretzky and Marty McSorely have ZERO to do with anything happening in the modern NHL.

                To your various points….

                1) Intimidation—Sorry, I don’t think any modern NHL player is going to be intimidated by anyone. Most are big tough guys that can more than hold their own with anyone. McIlrath, when he was playing in the NHL, intimidated NO ONE. Remember when Stepan had his ribs broken by Belesky. That happened with McIlrath on the ice. Last year’s training camp, I think it was Skjei who was plastered into the boards by a Flyer, again with McIlrath on the ice. There is no such thing in the modern NHL as a physical deterrent.

                2) Reaves— Are you serious? The Pens just won two SC without the guy. What intimidating presence did they have to make those championships happen? Crosby did suffer a minor concussion last Spring, but before that, he hasn’t had concussion issues in five years.

                On top of that, Reaves plays 7 minutes per game. Do you honestly believe that if a team wanted to target Crosby, and get him out of the game, that they would care one iota about Reaves? Please! Has Reaves ever skated on the same line as Crosby? Not that I know of. How many playoff series did St. Louis win with Reaves on the roster? With him OFF the roster, the Blues are one of the best teams in the league thus far.

                3) Wilson- Same deal. Prevents nothing. Hasn’t helped the team to get past the 2nd round. If the Caps were so much more physical than the Pens, explain why they lose to them every year in the playoffs.

                4) Rangers Achilles heel—You made a big stink over what happened in Dallas last year when Hank was run over. Clearly, I agree, the Rangers should have retaliated. But you went SO over the top. “The word is out…Rangers can be pushed around”. Blah, blah, blah. They were not pushed around. No one took any liberties going forward. And when Julien decided to go all in with his goon strategy in the playoffs, it backfired badly. The Rangers were more than up to the task and won most of the physical battles in that series. So your statement then and now is baseless.

                5) Lindy Ruff— If you believe McIlrath would still be on the roster if Ruff or anyone else was the head coach, you are truly deluding yourself. The Stars had a chance, along with every other team, to claim McIlrath—twice! Both times Ruff and the rest of the league passed. Every time I ask you to explain why he is in the AHL, you refuse to even answer the question.

                Again, facts are facts. McIlrath has been waived a total of three times in a 12 month period. Three times. And all 30 (now 31) teams passed. That’s basically 91 times that someone could have claimed the guy and NO ONE wants him on their NHL roster. What does that tell you? Simple…he is not currently viewed by ANYONE associated with the league as a legit NHL option. You are living in a fantasy world if you believe otherwise.

                One other point, and this speaks to what you were referencing with Reaves and Wilson, and also what Eg was getting at. I do think that, depending on what your roster looks like and whether you have more skilled options or not, a case can be made to have a non-skilled physical presence on your 4th line. If you are willing to use that player the way the Pens are (roughly 7 minutes of playing time per game), then ok, that is manageable. The other 11 forwards can absorb the minutes that player doesn’t play. That’s why I was ok with Tanner Glass (certainly wasn’t my first choice of options). He can, like Reaves and Wilson, provide a spark at times. I absolutely believe his presence helped the Rangers more than the stats can measure.

                But would I want a player like that on defense? Someone who’s only real attribute is that he can intimidate? No way. A player like that can’t be trusted to play enough minutes, and then you are asking five defensemen to absorb that time. That’s too big a burden over a long season.

                Sorry Bobby, I love your passion, but you are totally off the rails of reality on this.

          • James1090 says:

            You really think Tampa Bay is good team because Girardi is there? Girardi is terrible, sorry you ca’t see that.

            • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

              I didnt say that, did I? I said Girardi is more valuable than all his “haters” realize. TB offered him a 2 year deal. The so-called better options the Rangers had are in the minors, are they not? And if Girardi was such an ineffective player, how is it even possible that TB can be playing so well with a “pylon” out there?

              My point all along is that Girardi brings things to the table that aren’t easily measured or supported in the “fancy stats”. Yzerman and Cooper saw that and wanted him. They see him as a piece to a championship puzzle.

              What part of any of that is not true?

          • Richter1994 says:

            Girardi may well get the last laugh when he lifts the Stanley Cup in TB.

            Will G have a jersey on or a suit when that happens?

            • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

              If he’s healthy, I guarantee he will have a jersey on. They signed him to big dollars and a two year term for a reason.

              And again, if he was such a liability, how can he be the third best defenseman on the team in +/-? He’s a +6…better than Victor Hedman. Yes, I realize that +/- is a flawed stat. But again, if he was such a liability, why aren’t teams able to do any damage against him? Why is he seeing significant time on the PK on a team with a top 10 kill unit?

              Again, I’m not saying Girardi is a great player. But he provides intangibles that can’t be easily measured. And obviously, the so-called better options that AV had the last two seasons proved to be nothing more than marginal minor league players.

              Facts are facts my friend….

              • Richter1994 says:

                I hear you except for one thing: The better teams don’t start really playing until Jan/Feb.

                Let’s see how he does when the season starts getting serious.

              • Mancunian Candidate says:

                Give us all a break E3, Tampa is more likely to win a sippy cup—rather than a Stanley cup—with Vasilevskiy as their goalie. He’s never played more than 50 games in a season, and he’s never been THE MAN for his team in the playoffs, so let’s hold off on the ticker tape for now. He’s gotta play 60 regular season games plus playoffs now. And as far as Girardi? Somehow his possession numbers are STILL minus (-3.7 rel Corsi, 47.7 Corsi) on a team with excellent possession & offensive numbers.

                Tampa is very good but they are beatable. I don’t think they match up particularly well with Pittsburgh or Washington, or Toronto either for that matter. Tyler Johnson gets hurt all the time now, and durability has been a huge issue for Tampa overall in the last three seasons. Championships aren’t won November in the NHL.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                MC-

                Give you a break about what? That I said TB “may” win the Cup? Gee, I really went out on a limb on that one. They are only one of the best teams in the league, with elite talent on their first line, not to mention Hedman. They were right at or near the top among teams expected to come out of the East this year both in Vegas as well as with the pundits. If they fall anywhere short of the ECF, that would be a pretty stunning development.

                You’re making it sound like I’m describing Stepan and the Coyotes as opposed to Girardi and the Lightning!

                You do make a valid point about Vasilevskiy. No one knows what he will do over a full season. But so far, I suspect if you polled most of the experts, he would be one of the top three on most people’s lists for the Vezina—at the moment. What he does going forward remains to be seen. More than fair.

                As for Girardi’s possession numbers, that’s hardly a shock right? He’s never going to be a fancy stats darling. Yet despite that, he gets substantial playing time on a team with serious Cup aspiration, while the so-called better options that AV had are playing in the AHL. My only point is that Girardi brings things to a squad that can’t easily be measured statistically, and the fate of all three players (Girardi, Clendening and McIlrath) with other organizations pretty much proves that AV and the Rangers are not the only ones who valued Girardi over those other “non-options”.

          • Walt says:

            E3

            He may well raise the cup, by having someone help him raise it over his head. He is a shell of the player he was, and is playing sheltered minutes at best. To think that Dan is the reason for TB winning, should they do so, is an absolute joke. Now please tell me your jerking our collective chains!!!!!!

            • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

              Walt-

              I never said that. Please see my response to James above. He’s not THE reason. He is playing well for a team with Cup aspirations. Yzerman and Cooper clearly saw him as a part of the championship puzzle. So they certainly don’t view him as the “pylon” he was inaccurately characterized as out here.

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        I suspect that if you gave McDonagh truth serum, he would tell you that he misses Girardi. Just a hunch. Somehow TB seems very happy with him.

  4. Chris F says:

    Holy Toledo.

    Smith-Holden
    Skjei-Shattenkirk
    Staal-Kampfer

    That’s rough.

  5. HARLEMBLUES says:

    I’m all for trading McD for young skilled NHL talent now. He’s taken a lot of punishment over the last 3 or so years. The added burden of covering for Danny’s G blown coverages has added years to McDonagh. A trade now while he’s still seen as a top defenseman can net the Rangers a excellent package. The Rangers wait than they may get stuck with a aging Captain with a huge 6 year deal.

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      Trading him now is not an option. Not until his injury situation is cleared up. His deal is up after next year. I doubt seriously they will give him a 6 year deal or anything of the sort.

    • Jerry says:

      I agree Harlem, trade him this year (obviously after he has recovered from his injury) and I’d also include Nash and Grabner as tradable assets.

      Those of us who are satisfied with just making the playoffs will cringe, but it’s time for our GM to stop with the “one more kick of the can” mentality and set this team up for the future. And there is no better time than now with the upcoming draft a real deep one.

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        Well, that may happen. But, just because you have favorable draft position doesnt mean you wont be a non-playoff team for the next 5-10 years. There are no guarantees taking that path, and years and years with no playoff games probably means the GM gets canned long before he sees the fruits of his labors. This is a business, first and foremost.

        Nothing at all wrong with what the Rangers did in 2014 and 2015. They were close and they went for it…just like any contender would have.

        • Jerry says:

          This is the 2017/18 season and a flawed team. There is no “guarantees” in ANY course of action.

      • Walt says:

        Jerry

        Great post, and welcome back. It’s been awhile since you’ve posted….

    • Bloomer says:

      Girardi will be sipping from Lord Stanleys cup while Henk and MCD are putting for birdies.

  6. Bloomer says:

    Losing MCD from the lineup will be felt. Hockey is a tough game and injuries are part of the game.

    Brendan Smith who I thought played very well against the Sens goes from doghouse to top pair. He is a frustrating player to watch as sometimes he’s a monster like we saw last year, then at other times he looks like he is just mailing it in. The Rangers will need the monster Smith.