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GIF recap: Rangers finally get two points against Nashville

October 22, 2017, by

The Rangers finally got a pair of points against Nashville. It snapped a losing streak that has, for all intents and purposes, lasted most of the season. I had family plans for this one, and only caught some of the third period. So without further ado, let’s go through some of the Rangers’ takes on Twitter during the game.

I’m not against this. They need all the good ju-ju they can get.

This is critical right now. I’ve been harping on this for a week now, but the magic number is three. Stay within three points of a playoff spot. Seems backwards, but it’s very difficult to  make up points in the age of the loser point.

Accurate statement. Nothing else to add.

While this has nothing to do with hockey, someone needs to teach Ryan McDonagh the art of the snot rocket.

This is pretty cool. By all accounts Henrik Lundqvist really stole the game for the Rangers. Again, I didn’t watch the game, but the puck possession and scoring chance numbers didn’t favor them. While the process may not have been good, when you’re slumping you just need the wins for confidence. Get the wins, build the confidence, and the process should follow. Fragile states of mind matter right now.

This baffles me too. Sure, Pavel Buchnevich makes mistakes, but he’s not exactly a bad player. He has elite offensive tools and should be put in a position to use them.

I’m not in the man’s head, but I played the position. When your defense is unpredictable, you get frustrated. For the past three seasons and for the first month of this season, they’ve been unpredictable. I’d be frustrated. Don’t know if he is.

Calling out my own tweet here. Folks are going to have to deal with gaffes like this from Kevin Shattenkirk. He’s not elite defensively and he’s going to make system mistakes while chasing the puck. The positives far outweigh the negatives, though.

Woof. But again. Points matter now. Process (hopefully) follows the confidence.

Categories : Game Wrap-ups

54 comments

  1. Walt says:

    Two points in the win column, about time. Some six, or seven shots on goal the last two periods, but we win just the same, OK I’ll take it……Let’s hope this is the beginning of something positive!!!

  2. Mythdoc says:

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    —understand and deploy the latest and most sophisticated advanced statistics in personnel deployment, in order to find and utilize talent untapped (and indeed unknown) by the rest of the league. No goons. This is a new age in hockey.
    —be fiery and motivate players through traditional tactics, old school, hard nosed, smash mouth hockey. All players should be coached to fight. Other teams must fear our team, and our players must fear our coach

    —outcoach his talent. Players who would be marginal on other teams should be excellent on ours; players who would be good on other teams should be superstars on ours, etc. Coach needs also to DEVELOP younger players. In general, it should never be noticeable that our coach gives up on a player and he goes to another team and his productivity increases, as happened under our current coach in the case of (________??)

    —not overly tinker with the lineup like our current coach
    —make better adjustments than our current coach
    —always play our current “great prospect” on the first or second line. If he struggles, see the previous two items.

    —utilize systems and tactics, and make decisions that we on the site can understand and approve of, but that will nevertheless fool other coaches and organizations throughout the league
    —when things go wrong, change tactics and decisions in a manner satisfactory to us on the site. Failure to do so is grounds for dismissal.

    —inspire our shooters to shoot better
    —inspire our goaltender not to let in any soft goals
    —inspire our defensemen never to leave our goaltender out to dry
    —inspire our players to win all puck battles

    —not be “French” or European. Only Americans or Canadians need apply
    —seem like a “regular guy” to us. No wine drinkers. No man purses!!!!!!
    —be more emotional than our current coach. Be less emotional than our previous coach.

    —win a Stanley Cup. Anything less is complete failure and grounds for shameless and classless stupid cracks, “jokes,” conspiracy theories about your locker room, and other inanities that you therefore deserve.

    • Spozo says:

      You forgot “avoid disconnect with the GM”.

    • Walt says:

      See, you do understand………Now get us that man!!!!!!

    • Mikeyyy says:

      So you need Mark Messier, Brian Leetch and Adam Graves.

      I’m holding out for a hero.

    • Richter1994 says:

      How about settling on the fact that Ruff would be the next guy? I’m not advocating for it but that is the reality. Why else would he be here?

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        Richter, you know I greatly respect your opinion here, but there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that what you are suggesting is even remotely true. Again, unless we believe that Gorton is an unstable idiot with dramatic swings in opinions of his people, no GM gives their coach a mammoth raise and extension in January, and then decide 6 months later that he’s better have a good back-up plan. Sorry, but that’s nuts. And if it were true, then may the hockey gods help us all if that’s the way Gorton is going to do things going forward.

        Conspiracy theories sound great on paper, but the truth is usually a lot simpler. Beuke was outmatched in his role. They didn’t want to embarrass a hero from the 1994 team, so they re-assign him rather than outright fire him. Scott Arniel, who knows Ruff, suggested that since the former head coach was available, he might be a good fit for what the team was looking for. AV met with the guy and decided it was a good fit. Then AV went to Gorton.

        I’m not a big believer in conspiracy theories. Usually, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it’s probably a duck, not a rabbit disguised as a duck. Just not buying it at all. And remember, Arniel has been a head coach who could step in if necessary if AV had to go. Why bring in Ruff when you already have that in Arniel.

        Now, end of the day, if the Rangers don’t right the ship, sure, Ruff could very well replace AV. But that could have happened if Ruff was sitting by a lake fishing, right?

        • Reenavipul says:

          Again, money is irrelevant in the MSG scheme of things as it has nothing to do with the salary cap. Money ain’t nothing but a number.

          Yesterday was a great example of AV’s coaching philosophy that rightfully should get him canned. He gets a little puck luck via the PP, then goes into prevent D to prevent the team from winning. Congratulations, you worked twice as hard to win against a struggling team instead of kicking them when they’re down. Still no 60 minute performance.

          I’m coming along to 11F as long as he’s alternating between Ziba and Miller.

          As for your theories on Beukeboom, you’re all wet. Position coach works individually with players, sends out the pairs(usually) but executes the coach’s plan. Again, the MSG way: he had a gig in the org, was put into a role designed to fail, beyond his control. If he had been a royal screwup, they’d fire him like they fired Germander. They didn’t.

          One of the many things the Devils did right during their era of dominance was most every coach that got relieved was kept in house and reassigned. Tom McVie, Larry Robinson are examples of it, but it was also assistants. When you build a great culture, you have to work hard on not only improving it, but preventing entropy at the same time. Investing in this and looking how many ex-Devils are coaching in the minors is a testament to what they did. But it fell apart for them like it does everybody.

          AV should go to Tahiti for a month, then go shovel snow in Montreal for a month, then take a month figuring out what went wrong completely outside his circle of friends. Then the Rangers have him run a prospect camp and work as a development coach.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Your dislike of the coach is so extreme that you always dodge the central question on this topic—why did the Rangers give AV the extension to begin with? If there was any dissatisfaction at all, would they not have waited until at least last season was over….or at best, give him just a one year extension beyond this year? No sane organization would function in the manner you are suggesting.

            I agree that MSG can absorb the blow. There’s no doubt about that. But that’s not the issue. AV’s old deal was set to expire at the end of this season. There was no reason whatsoever for Gorton to not only extend him, but give him one of the most lucrative deals in the league. If money was indeed no object, then why not pay him that right from the get go, or after 2013-14? The bottom line is that Gorton obviously was, in January of 2017, so pleased with the performance of his coach that he and Sather no doubt went to Dolan and said—this is our guy (even though the team was in a multi-step process to purge out some of the old guard and get younger). Let’s go long term and big dollars.

            So you are saying then that six months later…SIX MONTHS!, that Gorton suddenly had a change of heart and decided he needed a Plan B? No way.

            If the Rangers unravel, sure, ANY coach, regardless of dollars or term, could be canned. Nature of the beast. But in the wake of the enormous fall out of the Phil Jackson debacle, how happy do you think Dolan would be to pay TOP dollars for the the rest of this season and TWO more to a coach that just 9 months ago he was told was worth an enormous raise and extension, only now to have to pay him to go away? What do you think that does to Gorton and his relationship with Dolan? Let’s put it this way—Gorton had better be right about whomever it is that replaces AV, because if I’m Dolan, I would conclude that Gorton’s judgment could no longer be trusted and the GM would need to be replaced. Very, very dangerous waters for a GM to be trying to swim in. So again, unless the season unravels and the coach loses the room, I think the chances the coach gets canned this year are actually pretty slim. He can survive one non-playoff season, especially since Gorton is obviously making the team younger and not really doubling down on winning it now.

            Next year? All bets are off.

            As for Beuke, I don’t understand why you say I am “all wet”? We are actually in agreement it seems. Where did I say he was a “royal screwup”? It seems to me that once they lost Ulfie, the Rangers couldn’t find a better option (remember, it took awhile before Beuke was hired), so they had no choice to slot him in. Didn’t work out, so exactly right, they re-assigned him. We are saying the same thing…so I don’t understand your issue here.

            • Reenavipul says:

              3 D coaches in 3 years, what’s the constant.

              You give AV the extension to show the players who has the stroke. Guess what?

              It isn’t working.

        • Richter1994 says:

          E3, there is absolute precedence for firing an extended coach: Torts was fired not 4 months after signing an extension.

          Reen is correct, if it’s not cap $$ then MSG doesn’t care. And I 100% believe that Ruff was brought here as a replacement before another team hired him.

          AV threw Beuke under the bus, like he does everyone else.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Totally different situation. Torts lost the room. It was well reported. If AV similarly loses the room, then yes, all bets are off. There is no indication that that is the case. Recent comments by Nash and Miller suggest that has happened—yet.

            Nash—“The bad teams I’ve been on, guys get away from the game plan, they don’t give the effort and there’s finger-pointing, whether in the room between guys; from the coach; or in the media. That’s what happens when things get away from you as a team.

            “None of that is happening here,” No. 61 said. “We’re together and we’re focusing on taking this one step at a time.”

            Miller—“We didn’t feel as tense as it seems,” Miller said. “We feel good about our game. The last two or three games I think we’ve done a lot of good things. We haven’t come out on the right side, but it’s not as tense as everybody may (think) on the outside here.”

            If they had quit on their coach or each other, those are not the quotes you’d be hearing.

            Again, you are also distorting this to suit your narrative. No one is suggesting that MSG can’t handle it the financial aspect. That’s not the point. I am saying that you don’t make that decision at this point, a few weeks into the season, right after a monster extension, unless there is a total meltdown record wise and/or the players are done with the coach.

            You can believe whatever you want on Ruff. But there isn’t a shred of reporting that even remotely suggests what you are saying is true. It makes absolutely no sense. Did Sather fire Tort’s replacement while Torts was still behind the bench? Is that the pattern of this organization? Nonsense. The pattern here is to be patient with coaches, even when things aren’t going great. Sather/Gorton seem to preach stability and don’t make moves like that likely.

            As for AV throwing Beuke under the bus, now you’re just making stuff up as it goes. I’ll make something up too. All the defensemen marched into AV’s office and demanded Beuke be fired. Probably my scenario is more plausible, even though they are both Fake News Nonsense.

            And AV has thrown who else under the bus, since you claim this is a pattern? Come on Richter, your hatred of the coach is getting the better of your normally sound judgment.

            • Richter1994 says:

              I think the coach has lost the room, E3. You’re going to let a subpar win on Saturday say “all is well?” Henrik won that game as he has numerous times over the years. The Rangers were dominated the last 2 periods. I will grant you that the Rangers did a good job of clogging up the middle of the ice, but they “turtled” for 40 minutes, after playing their best period of the year.

              This coach has been here 5 years and not once have I read or heard him say “I was at fault.” Not once. About anything.

              Again, I admit I do not know the potential positive impact of changing the coach, but if the players have had enough of him, then they will have to.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Did I say “all is well” here? No. This team is teetering on the brink of falling out of it. But IMO, the fact that they rallied back vs Pit and the Isles, and seeing them come out strong and beat the defending WC Champions, plus those quotes from Nash and Miller are all positive signs and a good indicator that these player have not quit on their coach or on each other. They are certainly being tested though. For AV, certainly, this is largely unfamiliar territory so it’s more than fair to see how he handles it.

                As for not taking blame, that may be correct. But have you ever heard him take credit? When he won his 600th, he credited it 100% to the players he has had. That’s just his style. Torts would throw his players under the bus in the press quite a bit when he was in NY. Every coach has his style. To me, that’s largely irrelevant. The players need to execute the strategy. Period. We have too many passengers on this bus and no one capable of driving it, except Hank. That’s been the issue for most of the past 12 years. That’s not on AV, or Torts before him or Renney before him. It’s not even on the players really. It’s on Sather/Gorton to get better players.

                On your last paragraph, we are in complete agreement. If AV loses the room, then the contract will not matter at all—he would and should be shown the door. The fact that he is still here, given that they do have two good internal options on the bench for an interim gig, shows that most probably the coach has not lost the players—at least not yet.

                One word of caution. Coaching changes aren’t always the answer. What happened to Vancouver after AV was shown the door there? The franchise unraveled. What happened in Montreal after Therrien was let go and Julien (who I remember on one blog people were screaming the Rangers should have fired AV and hired him), was hired? Short burst of success, then a playoff failure and now an epic disaster. Now it’s the GM Bergevin on the hot seat. What about in Boston? How has that switched worked out?

                If, after giving AV that huge extension, Gorton decides to make a change, heaven help him if he’s wrong and the team completely implodes. He will likely be a goner himself within 18 months, so he better be sure that he has the ability to upgrade the coaching position. Change for change sake is a very, very expensive play and more likely than not to backfire badly.

            • Egelstein says:

              Players will almost never say to the press, during their playing days anyways, that the coach has lost the room. Isn’t really a thing. After they leave, maybe. After they retire, maybe. If you’re looking for a direct quote from a player alluding to the locker room being a problem as proof that it is, you’re not likely to get it. If you’re looking for a direct quote from a player that they have tuned out the coach as proof that they have, you’re not likely to get it.

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                Of course they wouldn’t Eg. That’s not my point. If they were unhappy, or felt the coach had lost the room, then their quotes would likely have a different “texture” to them. There are ways for players to send messages about how they really feel other than direct quotes.

        • Rangersrock says:

          Everybody’s nuts and you know it all E3

    • Blue76 says:

      One of the best posts I have read on here since I arrived … about ??? 3 years ago??? … when did Tanner arrive?

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      OMG! This is HILARIOUS!!!!! Great job Myth!

  3. Mintgecko says:

    Kreider has issues, I’m not impressed with the top 6. One of them sees the favorable matchups and the lines are pretty stacked.

    Nash has clearly lost a step and if you think otherwise than you probably dissed him from the years of 13-15 when he could turn the corner against anyone.

    Mika has gotten by due to early scoring but nothing impressive so far that screams 1c.

    Zucc’s pass first mentality doesn’t blend well with Hayes or Zib as his centers.

    The truth is that the 1c is up for grabs and last night was exactly why JG and AV were no strangers in expressing why Stepan can get delt because they have Hayes.

    • upstate tom says:

      kreider may be the one to do 4th line duty for awhile. somethings missing !!!! along with nash.

      • Richter1994 says:

        Nash has been a beast, he just can’t finish.

        • Mintgecko says:

          That’s the hype train that is being converted over the truth that that’s always how Nash is going to be playing like. He looks like how Hossa has played in the last couple of years and the same for Jagr, just a dominant two way player that generates. There are so many instances where he would have maintain possesion or win more of his board battles. I’m just keeping it real with Nash and as I said a few months ago he’s worth the extention as long as he takes a pay cut.

          • Richter1994 says:

            I don’t buy into other people’s hype on players, I trust myself. I’ve been to every home game except for yesterday, and Nash has been a beast. He should have no less than 4-5 goals. He’s had more chances than anyone else on the team and that includes Zib who has 5 goals.

            • Spozo says:

              Would you give Nash 3 years at 5 million to sign an extension?

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                I’m more in Richter’s camp here. Nash has done everything—except not finish. I’ve never seen a player work so hard and not get rewarded.

                Still, this is a results business. He needs to deliver.

                Would I give him an extension? Tough one. Depends I guess on where the team is at the time that decision needs to be made. He might be a prime candidate to be traded if we fall out of the race.

              • Richter1994 says:

                How about 3 for $4M per? Yes that’s what I would do. I have always said that I would give him half to stay past this year.

                More than that? No.

      • Mintgecko says:

        If he knew how to use his body in the neutral zone and at his own then I would say put him with Hayes. He should go watch tapes on how Cally use to be a physical presence in those areas of the ice.

  4. Reenavipul says:

    Jump on a team early, turtle the rest of the way.

    Same hymnal I’ve heard before and it sounds like shit like it did back then.

    It’s a win, but not a good one.

    • Richter1994 says:

      100% my friend. Any fans thinking this is the start of something good then better hope that the King has enough in him for 70ish playoff like games in him.

      So the bottom line is even if the Rangers make the playoffs, the King will be shot by then. So the point is, what?

      Expect an overpay for Duchene. I don’t know anything but I feel it coming.

      • Mintgecko says:

        If a new coach is here than expect Duch to play on the wing of Kevin Hayes.

        • Richter1994 says:

          I actually think that makes sense but the Rangers would bring him here to play center.

          Besides, expect Hayes to be part of the deal to get Duchene, unless it’s Miller. You have to assume that it is either Miller or Hayes plus a D man like DeAngelo and maybe a first round pick, based on what we’ve been hearing that Sakic wants for Duchene.

          • RichS says:

            He can keep him …..not worth miller or hayes IMHO……
            just get us back lindberg next year and add chytil and we will be ok……..

            • Richter1994 says:

              That’s why feel an overpay is coming.

            • Ranger17 says:

              Can we get back Lindberg this year ,or is it not available to us to do.Can any team trade with VGKs for a player that was picked off their roster in the draft. If so i would offer up Pavelik for Lindberg as VGKs have both their goalies on IR right now . Then we bring up one of our 3 goalies in the minors and let Allaire work his magic

              • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

                I don’t believe that it is possible to get Lindberg back this season, unless he were to be traded to someone else first and then us. Pretty sure that is the rule.

                As for dealing Pav, I’d be real careful there. Benny is a miracle worker, but there is no indication that any of our young goalies are NHL ready. This will only weaken our depth and put an inordinate strain on Hank. IMO, bad idea.

  5. Richter1994 says:

    See the charts? That’s the way the game went. The Rangers played their usual game instead it was the last 2 periods that they sucked, not the first 2, so it was just in reverse.

  6. upstate tom says:

    finally some enthusiasm, yea !!!!!! although there were still a lot mistakes, there was a lot more desire & enthusiasm yea !!!!

  7. Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

    Hmmmm….Jesper Fast, the supposedly “fungible” player that either shouldn’t be on the squad or at best be a 4th line guy, is now part of the most effective line on the team and low and behold, Hayes is responding.

    And lo and behold, the trainwreck PK has gotten signifcantly better since his return. Hmmmmm.

    And the Rangers have points in three straight games. Again, hmmmmmm….

    Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the two-time Players’ Player, perhaps going for a three-peat…..Quickie!!!!!

  8. Chris F says:

    Despite the shot differential, xGF was even. This checks with the eye test, in which I didn’t really notice Nashville getting any better chances really.

    Hank was good, but let’s not pretend that he stole this game. He didn’t. The team in front of him played pretty solid yesterday.

    • Richter1994 says:

      They kept Nashville to the outside for the most part but Henrik made some stellar saves with traffic in front. That sidet o side save on Johansen towards the end of the 3rd was a game saver.

  9. Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

    I was too busy to post, but those last two games where we lost in OT/SO to the Pens and Isles, to me those were some steps forward, not the disaster some made it out to be. Could have easily won both. I said after the Pens game…six games to the end of the month, and six games to get back within Dave’s threshold of being within 3 points back by month’s end. I wanted 10 out of 12 points. So far, two games down, 3 out of a possible 4 points. Coming up—SJ, Ari, @ Mtl, and Vegas. All very winnable.

    The Rangers could find themselves at 5-6-2 or perhaps 6-5-2 by month’s end. If so, very reasonable place to be considering the holes on this flawed roster.

    • Richter1994 says:

      These last 3 games have been better only because they got pts. Not even close to complete games. Hank has been his stellar self, fans only like to acknowledge the softies he lets in, not the stellar saves that get the Rangers pts.

      • Bloomer says:

        No Richter…..fans acknowledge his save percentage which is not up to par with his stellar self. He has been solid at times but shaky at others. Like his teammates he needs to bring more consistentcy to his game.

        • Richter1994 says:

          I admit the consistency part Bloomer, no question. But I will tell you that if he has to play 70 games that are the equal of playoff games just to make the playoffs, then he will be shot by the end of the season.

          The double saves he made at the end of the Isles game were as good as they get, to guarantee a pt for his team.

          Same with the side to side save on Johansen on Saturday. Henrik is not what he was, but he’s still one of the best.

          BTW, HOFamer Raanta is sporting an over 3 GGA with a good .911 save % (for that team). He’s sharing the starting spot with 2 other goalies, but somehow, here, he was supposed to replace a franchise player.

          • Richter1994 says:

            btw, henrik continues to face way too many high danger shots per game, leading to a lesser save % than most would prefer.

      • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

        Hank has been mostly excellent recently, no doubt. But he does need to handle the “softies” a little better.

        Still, progress is progress. I think these next four games will tell us the tale of which way this season is heading.

  10. Pas44 says:

    I picked up tickets for this family day game. The garden was less then excited.
    Most cries from the crowd seemed in line with the posts written here.

    Nashville was asleep more then the Rangers playing well. Back up goalie let in a weak goal off Hayes.

    Refs were lame, soft calls on Fast two times. I checked quick to see what AV was doing but he seemed to be to tired to ball them out like most other coaches would on these calls.

    Subban is a jerk, he slashed Nash early on during a skate to the bench right in front of the refs and benches… Odd how AV didn’t send anyone his way to make a point to not slash our star.. oh wait AV has no Nuts.

    JT seemed lost at times, nice assist to that guy, I think he is named Chris something, he wasn’t there most of the game…

    In truth, DUDES, every time kredier even pushes someone, they fall down, if he just takes 2 strides, he is past a guy…

    WHY ISNT HE KILLING IT!

    anyway, it was great to get in a game when we won and run down the stairs with the faithful all cheering on my way to the trains…

    LGR!!!

  11. Walt says:

    The New Jersey Devils announced Sunday forward Brian Boyle has been cleared to practice with the team. Boyle was diagnosed with chronic myeloid leukemia ahead of the season and was placed on injured reserve by the Devils.

    I hope he continues to improve, and stays well from here on out. The guy is just a decent human being whom I’m pulling for…………..

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      I was thinking the exact same thing Walt. Will be rooting for him big time!