Getting the most out of Kevin Shattenkirk

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51 thoughts on “Getting the most out of Kevin Shattenkirk

  • Jul 11, 2017 at 6:52 am

    cheap prednisone online Great as usual Suit.

    4 methotrexate 25 mg Quite simply, if McD played the way he played with G on his right side then just think what he will do with an elite defenseman as his partner. McD unleashed.

    • Jul 11, 2017 at 7:06 am

      An elite defenseman who played 3rd pair on two teams last season.

      He got bumped for a future all-star and was on a President’s Trophy winner, but facts is facts.

      • Jul 11, 2017 at 7:15 am

        I guess we’ll see because his play will speak for itself. But my feeling is that Shatty is here and paired with McD will form one of the best D pairings in the league.

        We went from one of the worst top 4 pairings to one of the best in one offseason. That was Gorton’s agenda from the end of last season.

        And once Staal is gone then maybe there is room to add a Bozak or another top 9 center. Signing Gally in Montreal only made him more tradeable now. Though I do not know why the Rangers would not check in on Jagr or Vanek and then slide Miller back to 3rd line C.

        Bottom line is that Desharnais cannot be our 3rd line C.

        • Jul 11, 2017 at 9:19 am

          At the end of the day, it’s all about deployments: If McD & Shatty get OZ starts, McD & Smith get DZ starts while Shatty is on PP1 in a 4F-1D setup I’m okay with it.

          Just a lot of juggling of pairs.

          • Jul 11, 2017 at 9:38 am

            Same here

          • Jul 11, 2017 at 11:02 am

            That’s ideal.

            McD, Skjei, Smith, Shatty should be mixed and matched and all four should be over 20 minutes a night. Let Staal/Holden/Kampher pick up the scraps. The waivers exempt DeAngelo should start the season in Hartford. No need to put a 21 year old D on the third pair/2nd PP. Let him play 20-25 a night in the AHL and really get his confidence pumping.

            I’m assuming Ruff was brought on board so there is a more experienced hand to constantly shuffle the D pairs. Based on the mediocre D deployment in the playoffs, the Rangers likely felt Beuke wasn’t up to the task of making personnel decisions while the game was going on.

      • Jul 11, 2017 at 7:50 am

        Let’s not forget that his motivation to play at the garden will increase his play, it’s almost a given…

      • Jul 11, 2017 at 8:49 am

        Still ignoring the fact that Shattenkirk played 1,424 minutes of 5×5 hockey, which places him 3rd or 4th on both St Louis and Washington?

        Last I checked 3rd/4th would be 2nd pair usage.

        But please, don’t allow facts to get in the way of your facts.

        • Jul 11, 2017 at 9:56 am

          I only go off actual TOI charts don’t have the ability to dig into stats as Corsica is down, the other stats site I use is a mess and I’m on a phone.

          But TOI in games 1-2 of Toronto series, was 3rd or 4th. Rest of the series, 6th in TOI.

          Penguins series, gms1-3, 5th in TOI, even when Niskanen was out. Game 4 was 3rd when the shortened the bench to stave off elimination, 4th the rest of the way, but a distant one.

        • Jul 11, 2017 at 1:36 pm

          you are fake news, haha!

  • Jul 11, 2017 at 7:27 am

    Shatty is there to be a puck moving RHD who can provide offense first, and then some defense. Let’s not forget this. He is not, and will never be all world on the defensive side. I don’t expect him to be out there in short handed situations.

    His PPQB skills are something we need. Let not try to change his game too much.

    • Jul 11, 2017 at 9:39 am


      • Jul 11, 2017 at 4:22 pm

        Agreed, agreed again. They will use him in a way that maximizes his skill set. He is never going to be a shutdown guy. They did not acquire him to be one.

  • Jul 11, 2017 at 7:48 am

    I am looking for him to make other players better as well….

    You forgot Saluti!



  • Jul 11, 2017 at 8:05 am


    A silk tie for this article my man!!!!

    “Hopefully, AV knows how to get the best out of him??? ”

    Now there is the problem, will he match Mac Truck with Kevin?

    Will he give the guy time to learn his system before he starts jerking him around, we all know that’s in his DNA!

    Like Sal above said, “His PPQB skills are something we need. Let not try to change his game too much”.

    I have a sneaky feeling that the answers will all be NO, the guy just can’t not tinker to a fault. This from a guy who went into the PO’s still fu*king around with the lines, I have no faith in his style.

    The season will come soon enough, and time will tell if AV can leave well enough alone!!!!!!!!!

    • Jul 11, 2017 at 8:44 am


      • Jul 11, 2017 at 9:40 am

        No need for that Joe

        • Jul 11, 2017 at 3:12 pm

          another cerebral midget!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jul 11, 2017 at 9:40 am

      Walt! You’re my boy blue!

      • Jul 11, 2017 at 3:13 pm


        Miss your postings, start up again, and soon!!!!!!!!

    • Jul 11, 2017 at 1:11 pm

      Ruff’s job, no?

  • Jul 11, 2017 at 8:07 am

    So Shatty needs to be deployed more in the offensive zone to take maximize his skills. Mcdonagh is hands down the best defender on this team and the guy you want out there shutting down the other teams top players. So you put them together and which side gives? Do you then have Mac start 60% of draws in the Offensive zone and therefore pull him off of some of his shutdown minutes? Or do you make Shatty play a little more in his own zone?

    This is exactly what I was worried about when signing the guy!

    Either way it sounds like a prime example of “this coach is a moron” in the making because he’s going to have to make a decision if he keeps these guys together all season!

    • Jul 11, 2017 at 8:17 pm

      This is exactly what I’ve been thinking. The hyenas are already circling, laying the groundwork for a narrative in which AV is to blame if Shattenkirk doesn’t excel.

      If he pairs with McDonagh, he’s going to see more defensive zone shifts and his production might slip. People will blame AV for not deploying Shattenkirk in a manner befitting his offensive talent.

      If, however, Smith pairs with McDonagh, and Shattenkirk slides in alongside Skjei for more O-zone starts, then he’s going to see a bit less TOI. People will complain that he’s not getting top minutes and was brought here to pair with McDonagh.

      If AV tries to play around with these combinations to find the best balance, people will complain that AV can’t stop tinkering and isn’t allowing Shattenkirk time to stabilize and find his game.

      And if AV pairs up McDonagh with Shattenkirk but starts giving them more sheltered O-Zone starts, our overall defense is likely to take a hit, and people will blame AV’s system or start complaining that our best defender –McDonagh– is being misused.

      There is literally no scenario in which a vocal contingent of fans aren’t going to crucify AV over defensive pairings this year.

      Brace for impact.

      The only way AV gets a pass is if Shattenkirk steps up and manages to excel at what he’s done best over his career while still absorbing D-zone starts with McDonagh as his partner. This is entirely possible, as that’s going to be a great pairing, but it’s going to rely on what Shattenkirk is capable of, not how he’s specifically utilized.

      • Jul 12, 2017 at 9:37 am

        Yep….you nailed it exactly. Fortunately, AV and Gorton couldn’t care less what the blogosphere thinks. There is nothing wrong with tinkering. Every coach does it. It’s only a cardinal sin when AV does it!

        I expect a lot of tinkering with lines and pairings this season. Perhaps more this year then we have ever seen. New personnel pretty much guarantees it.

        • Jul 12, 2017 at 3:07 pm

          The coaching staff really has no choice but to mix and match all season if we want optimal pairings on the ice for certain situations. There’s no way around it in order to maximize the unique talents on the blueline.

          i.e. we’ll see plenty of Shattenkirk and Smith swapping between the first and second pairings based on situations (ozone vs. dzone draws).

  • Jul 11, 2017 at 8:07 am

    Shatty is definitely going to help the power play that was horrible you put him on the first pair with RyanMac and then have Brady and Brendan on the second pair or vice versa

    • Jul 11, 2017 at 8:53 am

      Add the new assistant coach to the power play and things could get even sweeter!

  • Jul 11, 2017 at 8:45 am

    Hopefully the Alain Vignault line generator will figure out a way to put those two together.

  • Jul 11, 2017 at 9:02 am

    I hope the Ruff hire gives him the autonomy to handle the defense in his way and removes AV’s potential meddling. I’m assuming Beuk’s presence did not impress AV, hence he possibly took a more active role in the defense. Just guessing.

  • Jul 11, 2017 at 10:31 am

    Pumped big time for the season!!!! Not only is Shatty a huge upgrade from Girardi, but Smith and Sjkel are huge upgrades from last years 2nd pairing.
    Hoping/expecting kredier , hayes, miller become more consistent and vesey, zib and buch to have breakout years……nash, grabner, zucc to be themselves……only roadblocks to final are pitts and AV!

  • Jul 11, 2017 at 10:38 am

    I’m not sure I agree with the statement that he needs to have OZ starts to be successful. He was behind Alex Pietrangelo in STL, which is fair. I don’t think his short stint in WSH is fair evaluation. Too small a sample.

    Shatty is going to get a shot to see what he can do on the top pair. There’s a chance he does just fine. Let’s also remember he’s never had a partner like McDonagh before. QoT matters too.

    • Jul 11, 2017 at 11:02 am


      I agree. Too many are still fixated on the premise of a “shutdown” defender, from the bygone days. “Shutdown” defenders are now those that can’t skate and move the puck as well in the “modern” game, they bleed shots against.

      The best way to defend in this style of NHL is to have defenseman who can move the puck rapidly and effectively up the ice out of the zone, and then can keep the puck in the offensive zone. If you’re forcing the other goalie to keep covering the puck, or the other team to ice the puck (like they’ve done against us the past 3 years) that is going to lead increased offensive zone starts.

      • Jul 11, 2017 at 11:15 am

        Its funny but with all these modern analytics it still comes down to which team has the better players……..
        I like stats but they serve to tell me what I can plainly see…..crosby, kopitar, eichel, mcdavid, ovechkin, burns, towes..etc are what it takes to win….
        I have not yet seen a team without great players win because they have a great strategy based on analytics !!!!!

        • Jul 11, 2017 at 11:49 am

          This year’s Hurricanes are going to be the base for that.

          However you are right, no matter what you need talent.

          • Jul 11, 2017 at 12:19 pm

            Love the articles Dave… do a great job! Makes my retirement even more enjoyable!

            • Jul 11, 2017 at 3:38 pm

              Thank you for the kind words. Much appreciated.

        • Jul 11, 2017 at 12:21 pm

          If that’s all it takes, please explain why Sidney Crosby and Evengi Malkin have not won the Stanley Cup every year, why Ovechkin as never advanced past the second round, why Brent Burns just played in his first Stanley Cup finals 2 years ago, why Getzlaf and Perry can barely win a game 7, shall we go on? Why wasn’t it Gretzky vs Lemieux every year in the Finals?

          Analytics tell you how a player is performing, what their strengths are and where they’re struggling. It’s up to the coaching staff to devise a strategy based upon that data that amplifies the teams collective strengths and hides their collective weakness. Analytics has shown that if you gather enough players who can drive possession into the others team zone and keep them there, you have a BETTER chance of success than if you defend all the time.

          • Jul 11, 2017 at 12:58 pm

            Because there are too many variables, especially in hockey, to guarantee anything. The Caps should have won at least once–that to me is blatant underachievement that should cost the coach (who has NEVER advanced past the second round in his career) his job.

            But all one has to do is look at the history of SC Champions, especially recent champions, to see that high end talent is generally ESSENTIAL to success. Teams that win Cups usually have at least 2 of the following ingredients– 1-2 future HOF talent (beyond the goalie), one legit top end 1C, a Norris caliber defenseman, a top quality goaltender and/or defenisve depth.

            The Rangers have no future HOFers other than Hank. They haven’t had a legit top tier 1C in years. McDonagh hasn’t really been in the Norris discussion since 2014–he’s very good but not a difference maker player. Hank basically put this good but not great team on his back and made them contenders in 2012, 2014 and 2015. The last two years, as the defense eroded, his play slipped a bit. He isn’t the same shutdown guy he once was game in and game out, but he’s still more than capable. And before the retool this summer, our defensive depth and effectiveness has slipped greatly.

            I do agree that driving possession overcomes many other things, and Shatty should help us there. But we need significant step up performances from Kreider, Miller, Hayes and Zib, and continued improvement from Vesey and Buch if we are going to have any chance here.

            Talent matters John. Sure, you can have miraculous runs by teams. The NY Giants did it in 2007 and shocked the world. The Miracle Mets of 1969 and the Jets of 1968. There is always that hope when a good team comes together in a magical way and beats a great team. But those are outlier examples. You usually need greatness, and there is little in the way of true greatness on this roster–at least to this point.

            Joe Maddon ended the Cubs Curse last year. Why? Because yes, he’s a great manager. But mostly, because he had great players that performed at a high level–especially when it mattered most. Joe Maddon is still the manager. And it’s largely the same team. So why are they a sub-.500 team? Did the manager get dumb all of a sudden? Or is it that the players are not performing, similar to how Miller/Hayes/Kreider/Stepan failed to show up from mid-February on? Ultimately, isn’t that on the players much more than on the coach/manager?

            • Jul 11, 2017 at 2:40 pm

              Sorry Eddie, but that second paragraph…

              Not for anything, but, were you to add 8-10 points at most to Stepan’s totals (IE, pretend he had two wingers that potted each an extra 4-5 goals over a year), the metrics relative to guys like Kopitar and Bergeron become… almost indistinguishable.

              Furthermore, McD was/is close enough to ‘Norris caliber’ that such a parameter was also met. Hell, some models even claim he’s the league’s best overall (defensive & offensive impacts combined), even if it’s by a hair.

              Lastly, St. Louis is a HoFer who was still playing well in 2014. We had the talent.

              But there are, however, a few things the other recent championship teams didn’t have…

              – A guy who is statistically the worst RHD (nevermind #1 RHD) in the league!

              – A coach who throws his enforcer / bottom pairing out in a playoff game with 3 minutes left!

              – A coach who doesn’t bench players who ‘sit back on a lead’ (assuming of course that it’s not his idea)

              In other words, I think this team was ‘talented enough’ to win. And while I don’t mean to imply this was solely on AV, some of his decisions have opened him to these criticisms.

              We had enough talented players to compete that year in the finals…

              … we just preferred to get a lead, sit back, and lose…. every. damned. game. (Except 3).

              • Jul 11, 2017 at 3:45 pm

                Spot on agree with everything – except the Dan Girardi reference you so eloquently shielded by leaving his name out 🙂 Obviously Steve Yzerman disagrees with you on that one.

              • Jul 11, 2017 at 11:31 pm

                Well, Yzerman also signed Callahan….

                Even good GM’s get it wrong sometimes.

                Girardi was a black hole on defense, and the change to Shatty is going to make a tremendous difference this year.

            • Jul 11, 2017 at 5:01 pm

              Spot on comments…….completely agree with every point you made!
              I would guess that the crosbys , towes, ovechkins probably have high ‘driving possession’ numbers…. etc .
              To answer John B ‘s question the reason crosby and malkin dont win every year is because other teams have towes and kane and hossa and keith….high end talent as well!
              John B….I agree AV…not a good coach especially in playoffs , but you cant be serious saying that stepan is 8-10 points ‘as good as kopitar and bergeron’…?unless I misunderstood your point….Had we had kopiat and the kings stepan we win the cup that year without a doubt!

              • Jul 11, 2017 at 11:29 pm

                Well, Rich, I don’t like to link articles from other blogs, but there’s a good piece explaining why that is true on another blog, if you’re willing to search.

                Basically, as I’ve shown before, while he was on the ice, the Rangers scored 60% of the goals at 5v5 play.

                Those are elite figures.

                Given that those figures are elite, were he to have another 8-10 points, aside from the fact he sucks at faceoffs & hits nothing, per fancy stats (HERO charts etc), well, as I’ve said…. he’d be indistinguishable from aforementioned ‘#1 Centers’.

                Like I’ve said, I have a bad feeling that unless Andersson comes flying out of the gate or barring some crazy trade for a 1C….

                well…. we’re gonna miss Daisy…. not for his offense, but because he was capable of shutting down other team’s top players.

                We don’t have a replacement for that……

                Hell, the only other center we had that even played D got drafted by Vegas….

              • Jul 12, 2017 at 9:45 am

                Agree with Rich on the Crosby, etc comments.

                Very much agree with Dog though on Stepan. As it stands now, we are pretty weak at center, and if this is not sufficiently addressed, we will have trouble making the playoffs, let alone legitimately contend.

                But, I am optimistic because there is still plenty of time to get this fixed.

                Obviously, Shatty is a huge upgrade over Girardi. But I don’t consider Girardi a black hole. And apparently, there is evidence to suggest much of the league doesn’t either (I know it was just one team that signed him, but they did it Day 1 of FA for significant dollars. They must have believed that there was significant interest in the supposed “black hole”.

                Maybe every GM is dead wrong here, but I doubt it. The reality is, right or wrong, NHL execs see Girardi as a very viable NHL defenseman. They see Clendo as a 7D. They see McIlrath as a borderline AHL/NHL guy. There’s really no doubt about that.

    • Jul 11, 2017 at 11:43 am

      Amen Dave, I can see it now, Mcd making some awesome move at the blue line – getting the puck crossed to Shatty moving down the opposite side boards, maybe a sick pass, or a shot…

      ACTION BABY!!!


  • Jul 11, 2017 at 11:18 am

    The best Defense is a good offense.I think Shattenkirk and Mc D will compliment each other well. Some of our past defensive problems have been(after losing the face offs) clearing the Zone. I think these 2 will improve that problem. Smith is our best defensive defender and should be deployed as such in big moments. Each defender we have has a unique skill set. That is one of the things that makes our D so good. How they are deployed will determine how effective they will be. Limited deployment of Staal and Holden(assuming he/they are not traded) will be critical. Also, a bit disappointed Scott Arniel is still here. Not a fan and I have to wonder if getting rid of him may be the best way to fix special teams in general. These is a good problem to have…

  • Jul 11, 2017 at 11:32 am

    blues played man last year until Yeo took over. Shatty is great on the right. he was sometimes asked to play the left for st Louis. obviously clearing the puck out of your zone is tougher on your off hand

  • Jul 11, 2017 at 4:28 pm

    Shatty and DeAngelo are both guys that will move the puck and jump into the play. It is no accident that the Rangers wanted both of them. That is how you defend in today’s NHL. You do it by getting the puck outta there and into the other team’s zone. The Rangers were notorious for getting trapped in their own end at times. These two will help alleviate that.

  • Jul 11, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    I expect Shatter to spark the sagging Ranger PP. However I do not foresee him as the savior who will lead New York in capturing Lords Stanley Cup
    Further, I will not demonize Shattenkirker about his defensive shortcomings everytime Leaky lets in a softy.

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