So what does a Kevin Shattenkirk contract look like?

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The biggest free agent prize of the 2017 offseason is defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk. A top pairing defenseman on most teams, Shattenkirk isn’t an elite defenseman, but he is a steady puck mover who is great on the powerplay and racks up points regularly. He’s clearly the best player available this year in free agency, and is likely headed to a big time contract.

But the question for most Rangers fans is going to be what that contract looks like. With the salary cap ceiling headed to $75 million, the Dan Girardi buyout, and the Kevin Klein retirement, the Rangers all of a sudden have a ton of cap space to work with. Believe it or not, they actually have the cap space to land Shattenkirk and re-sign their key RFAs if they so desire.

The bigger question is whether Shattenkirk fills the big need for the Rangers, which is a true top pairing defenseman for Ryan McDonagh. Here’s how Shattenkirk compares to the average top pairing defenseman in the league. While we all know Shattenkirk is a great offensive driver, an under appreciated aspect of his game is his shot suppression ability. He’s actually well above the average top pairing defenseman, which I have to admit was a surprise to me.

Now it is fair to say that the above doesn’t take quality of competition faced or deployment into effect. It’s also fair to say that Shattenkirk didn’t really have a strong playoffs with the Caps. These are all fair assessments, and any long term deal that Shattenkirk will certainly get comes with a good amount of risk.

However let’s take a step back. The Shattenkirk teams are getting isn’t an over 30 Shattenkirk. He’s 28 years old, 29 in January, and his play style doesn’t age as some of the lesser skaters that rely on shot blocking. Shattenkirk relies on skating, denying zone entries, positioning, and controlling the play. That’s not to say he will last through his eight year deal and be worth every penny, it’s that he likely (hopefully?) won’t break down and make the Rangers, or any other signing team, regret the contract immediately.

When it comes to the actual contract, the common ground seems to be at least six years and at least $6 million. That’s a fair starting ground, and as a coveted free agent that plays a position that is in high demand, it’s extremely likely he gets more. There aren’t many comparable contracts to Shattenkirk, as the only 28 year old right-handed UFA defensemen to hit the market and get big contracts are Jason Demers and Anton Stralman. Neither are in the scoring category of Shattenkirk.

I think six years and $6.5 million is the best starting point for a Shattenkirk. Which, for a team like the Rangers, could be front-loaded in anticipation of a 2020 lockout/amnesty buyout period. I know it stinks to talk about that, but in Gary Bettman’s NHL, it’s something that honestly can’t be ignored.

Personally, $6.5 million is the highest I’d go, knowing that if the Rangers go the Shattenkirk route, then Brendan Smith is not re-signing without another major trade. Signing Shattenkirk is a little like getting a pair of signings. You get Shatty, but you also free McDonagh and pair him with someone who can finally skate. The potential there is endless. But that is also a steep price and a risky contract. The expensive ones are never risk-free, unfortunately.

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100 thoughts on “So what does a Kevin Shattenkirk contract look like?

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:27 am
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    6 years, $6.5M per.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 4:39 pm
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      please no

      • Jun 21, 2017 at 6:48 am
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        sorry pal, I think it’s done, but I do not know the terms yet.

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 7:05 am
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    My biggest concern is whether he can play 25 minutes a night on the top pair against the other teams top players. Or is he another Yandle in that he will get all the O zone starts, not kill penalties, and not be relied on to shut down the other teams best players. If he can’t take on the role of top pairing RHD and he just brings over the sexy offensive stats then I don’t want him.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 7:13 am
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      If the Rangers trade Stephan/Steven/Stepane/Stefan/Stepan for a top pair righty then Shatty can play 2nd pair.

      They need Shatty for the PP. 3 for 39 in the playoffs and a 2nd round exit. Enough said.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 7:53 am
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        How far did Washington get with him?
        How far did St. Louis get with him?

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 9:07 am
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          St. Louis was not a balanced team when he was there. That’s like blaming Hank for the flawed Rangers teams.

          Washington lost to the Cup champs in 7 games.

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 10:10 am
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          How far did Washington get with him?
          Further than the Rangers

          How far did St. Louis get with him?
          About as far overall as we have in our playoff appearances. That is, no where.

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:29 am
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          That’s a bit of a fallacy…. blaming one defender (out of two rosters) for their collective failures?

          lol

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 8:31 am
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        There’s more wrong with the PP than the D. A lot more. Shattenkirk won’t have Tarasenko or Ovechkin to set up with the Rangers.

        And I don’t want to hand out that kind of contract for a second-pair guy.

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 3:46 pm
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          maybe but having a true PP QB is the start.

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 4:35 pm
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          Mika looked pretty sharp on the PP in the preseason and earlier in the season before his injury…if he could get back to that…and AV actually gives him PP minutes…I’m hoping that will help. I’m also hoping he is working on his shot accuracy this summer. Lethal when he’s on, but fired way too many wide last season.

          The chart Dave posted clearly illustrates that Shatty is a first pair type defensemen. Offensively gifted for a defender, obviously. The numbers bear out that he’s better in his own end than many give him credit for, also.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 10:04 am
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        If we trade Stepan for a top R D man(say Trouba..ok Stepan +) I would say Shattenkirk is off the table. Better off with Smith for 4 years at a lower cap hit. With Graves, Pionk, Bereglazov, Day and Perdie in the pipeline where and when will any of these guys play? Other issue to consider is McDonagh is up for a new contract, how much will he need to make if Shattenkirk is making $6.5Mill?

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:33 am
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          “With Graves, Pionk, Bereglazov, Day and Perdie in the pipeline”

          Will any of these guys ever play in the NHL for more than a cup of coffee? I’m guessing the answer is yes, but if we think we are talking about five future NHL defensemen, think again.

          Ryan Graves may be talented, but the truth is that he is as good today as he was a year ago – and that is not a good sign. Day looks promising, but he is hardly can’t miss – some questioned using a #1 on him.

          With enough prospects, you can reasonably hope some pan out — but it is way too early to worry about having room for these guys.

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:46 am
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            I don’t know where you got that Graves scouting report from. Every person I’ve spoken to about Graves says he’s on the cusp.

            The Rangers didn’t use a #1 on Day. He was first round potential that slid due to injury. They used a #3 on him, and he’s looking like a can’t-miss.

            Where are you getting your scouting reports from? They differ from every prospect guru/scout I’ve spoken to.

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 am
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            Just for the record, Day was a 3rd round pick, however he was their first selection since they didn’t have a 1st or 2nd round pick in 2016.

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 12:09 pm
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            Not sure it is too early. You have 6 spots plus a spare part. McDonagh will sign a longish term deal(6 years) .You’re stuck with Staal for 4 more years barring a buy out. Skeji will be a longer term option and needing a new deal. Sign Shattenkirk for 6 years and or Smith for 4 years, You have at one slot open for a D man after this year when Holden’s contract is over. Look at the dollars. If Shattenkirk gets $6.5 won’t McDonagh want $6.5 also? And Staal is at $5.7, Skeji gets a bridge deal for $2.5 for 2 years? maybe a longer term deal at a bigger cap hit. Using the above you are looking at $21.2 mill for 4 d men vs a $75 mill cap that’s 28% of cap and you need 2 more D men. If the cap goes to $77mill you are still using 27.5% of your cap. You need one or 2 of these younger guys to make the team over the next few years from a cap stand point. And you also better do some planning ahead of time. Because the cap only seems to go up $2 mill per year. And we get cap relief over time, but with cap relief comes holes in the system. You free up Nash’s $7.8 mill but you lose Nash.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:43 am
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        If it comes down to it then GJ should lower the price on Stepan and settle for a top 4 name in a future trade, so then Shatty could play with Mcd. The completeness by the captains game to tag team with Shatty’s game would be worth it to me, you utilize him in that role for now since he’s only 28 years old, just like when Nash got here. He should get top PP time for now and hopefully when he’s still around in his early 30s. It would allow the 2nd PP to run with two QB like D men. Mcd would have a partner which could hopefully be Justin Faulk. Then you deploy Skjei to be a big time PK contributer and 2nd pair minutes with hopefully a good player that would come from a Stepan trade. Giving Shatty reduce roles won’t help to land him and it’s not maximizing his elite talents for now or helping the rotations on this team after assuming that Staal gets moved soon.. If this was team USA then I would still like to see the Mcd-Shatty pair, so much speed, hands and IQ on that. I would also rather see a Skjei-Trouba/Faulk/ or even Dumba as the 2nd pair.

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 2:13 pm
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          I’m probably in the minority but I’d rather see us go hard after mackinnon…A package of prospects and picks plus Stepan would maybe get it done? Stepan, Graves, Halverson and 2018 first? I would do that in a second personally, although that may not even be enough.
          Do the above trade and then sign Shatty and Smith.
          Bury Holden so far in the minors that we forget he ever existed and give the 6th d man spot to pionk or bereglazov

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 4:26 pm
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            I’m polar opposite but I still feel in the minority on this. Stepan should be traded for a flat out top 4 name and then the team should sign Shatty. Use the draft pick on a forward that looks like he could step in this October. I would rather see the top 4 look stacked with Skjei and Barrie as the 2nd pair instead of giving up that 1st and JT to get Mackinnon because that’s what it’s going to be included as well as Stepan’s name.

            If Raanta is safe from LV then maybe Trouba could be had for him, Stepan and Graves.

            • Jun 21, 2017 at 7:18 am
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              I just think that Stepan has a lot more trade value than us Ranger fans give him credit for and to be honest, also probably in the minority but I’m not completely sold on Trouba. I may have read your comment wrong but are you saying stepan, JT and a 2nd for Barrie and Mackinnon? I’d do that trade, no doubt about it. Hell I’d do step, JT and a 1st for mackinnon and Barrie. Mackinnon would theoretically be on a line with zucc and Nash, I guarantee you he would score 90+ points next year if that was the case.

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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            I’d make that trade for MacKinnon. I feel like any Stepan trade should be as a package for an upgrade at center. You need a true, unarguable 1C to win the cup.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 8:37 am
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      For once I have to agree with your post…….. I think this guy is over rated, and will be too expensive for us, especially when Mac Truck’s contract expires, then what?????????????

      Your comment about Yandle is exactly what I was thinking!!!!!!!!!

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 2:05 pm
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        I’m with these guys. please take a pass on this year’s shiny free agent trophy. please stop chasing this mythical single skater who will fix the power play. please no more long term high-priced deals to players who are not true difference-makers to the team. Oy vey.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 9:08 am
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      It’s unlikely Shatty plays 25 mins a night. My guess is that he’d be at 20 mins in the regular season.

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 7:31 am
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    I wouldn’t do 6 years. It really scares me. And no more NMCs. 5 years averaging 6.5, but front loaded, so the last year pays at $6M.

    Anyone see the rumored Islanders deal with Vegas? Pretty sweet deal for them.

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 7:39 am
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    I would like to see us get Shattenkirk he would help with our saggy power play but 6 years is a bit much let’s see what happens

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 8:11 am
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    So, if the PP is 4F/1D, and you sign Shatty, which of McD/BS sits on the PP?

    Shattenkirk didn’t make the Blues or the Caps better. In fact, the Blues may have been a lot better without him. So, he’s suddenly going to transform the NYR?

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 8:43 am
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      Al

      During the PO’s I said watch him play, that he wasn’t that good, and he proved me right. Hey this is Broadway, we need a marquee name don’t we? The same old, same old, he won’t do too much to help except maybe be the PP-QB!!!!!!!!!!

      My biggest worry is maybe three-four years down the road, will he turn out to be another Twin, and his contract will be hard as hell to unload????????

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 12:03 pm
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      Shatty would hopefully open up for some great combo’s on the PP’s. Hopefully the 1st unit would look like this..
      Kreider-Thornton-Zucc
      Mika-Shatty
      He could really take advantage of Mika and help establish his one time. He’ll have set up men for his own shot and his playmaking would open up the floodgates for Kreider down low and Zucc near the half wall and high slot for Zucc imo.
      2nd
      JT-Hayes-Nash
      Mcd-Trouba?-Faulk? If it isn’t a house hold name then Buch or Skjei.
      This is assuming Thornton wants in, Stepan somehow gets Trouba or Faulk. I think in 2018 AV needs to give Buch a PK role, I know it may sound crazy but I see a different player who can contribute like Artie did. I think as long as he gets his injury straighten out and his core to compete better in the tougher parts of the ice then he ends up being a PK and PP player in 2019 when Thornton might be gone or when Nash’s time is up. I left Vesey out because he should just be on the 3rd line for now, he’s not worth playing in any of the higher roles imo. I think Thornton as a 3c in between Buch and him would allow him to still put up low to mid 30s in points, maybe he touch 40 points.

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 8:19 am
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    He’s too expensive and is just the kind of contract that has put us in the position that we are in regarding Girardi and Staal. He claims he really wants to play in NY, 3 years @ 7.5 or 4 years @ 7. Front loading contract really doesn’t matter, as the cap hit is the average annual value. Money is not the problem for the Rangers, it’s the cap that hinders them. I know for him it is leaving money on the table. Why would he do that? For me, that’s fine, wish him good luck with the team he chooses to fleece. I just don’t see what is wrong with maximum length contracts, i.e. 4 years, Why can’t we ask the players to prove their worth again and again. Again, I know this needs to be dealt with in a new CBA, and that is what I’m proposing. Until then, the Rangers need to stay away from these long term team killing contracts.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:41 am
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      Joe,

      I half agree on your hating long term contracts. I agree players should continue to prove theirselves. However If I draft an elite superstar, I want to lock them up as long as possible. The problem is every big name UFA regardless of overall elite status expects a 7 year deal cause its whats best for them.

      When a player is at his second or third contract its best to lock them up as long as possible and hope he works out. 2 examples of both sides of the coin, Rangers signed Mac to a very good contract, if his was shorter hed make more money sooner then later. I remember a few years back PK Subban wanted something in the range of 5 for 5, montreal dug in and wanted a bridge deal think it settled 2 years for 3.5 per, 2 years. 2 years later he got a huge raise and is alot higher then the would have been at the 3 years that He was willing to sign.

      Every year the big name price goes up with the cap going up, so when you have that top talent you want to lock them up as long as possible. But the middle talent wants the term also and market value at contract signing, which we all know 3-4 years in they arent market value they are overpaid.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 2:26 pm
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        Kris

        Please don’t tell me you think Shatty is elite?????? I have to beg to differ, he is way over rated, and isn’t worth $6-7 range, for term that long. Let some other team chase this guy.

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 5:34 pm
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          Walt,

          I do not believe he is elite, not even sure he is even a top pair guy. I think he falls into the other group, that thinks hes he because hes the top free agent he deserves 7 year deal, like yandle got. But if I have an elite player I want to have the ability to sign him as long as possible.

          • Jun 21, 2017 at 6:33 am
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            Way overpriced and you are giving another Girardi, Stahl contract. you want to wind up with a 33 or 34 yr old Dman in the last years of a contract at a minimum 6.5 mil especially that he hasn’t proven anything.
            Also think Dave’s shot, finally you can pair Mac with someone who can skate, is totally irrelevant and it wont fix Mac’s game.
            Rather sign Smith for less. We see he brings something the Rangers need. I wonder if this NHL’er can skate

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 12:30 pm
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      “He’s too expensive and is just the kind of contract that has put us in the position that we are in regarding Girardi and Staal. He claims he really wants to play in NY, 3 years @ 7.5 or 4 years @ 7. Front loading contract really doesn’t matter, as the cap hit is the average annual value”
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      To be fair, Girardi & Staal were never puck moving defensemen, and they were clearly in decline when Sather extended them. His style (Shatty’s) tends to hold up much longer playing wise than the previously signed albatross twins. As such, given his age, term is not necessarily a bad thing.

      Also, front loaded contracts are good because they can create value for cash strapped teams. A perfect example was Brassard’s contract; by front loading the first two years, it made the last 3 of the deal cost about $3 million for $5 million of cap space. To a penny-pinching owner like Melnyk, that is a significant perk which few of us would ever consider when concocting potential trades on here.

      Team killing contracts are not the same as long term ones. Look at Crosby & Malkin; if the NHL forced PIT to renegotiate those contracts, do you not realize Crosby’s new cap hit would come in well north of $10 million (hey, if Toews is worth 10.5…….)?

      In other words, taking advantage of a steadily rising cap by signing people to term can be good…. but only if you sign the correct players. Which Shatty could very well be, given the aforementioned.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 4:56 pm
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        Angry, you are right on the front loaded trade benefits of contracts. If we had anyone near, or the potential to get, someone like Crosby, Malkin or McJesus, I break away and understand a long term deal. However, we are not talking about anyone like that here. Also in my scenario, remember, it is a CBA negotiated deal, which would also include player salary caps. What’s wrong with paying him 3 years at 7.5? If he does well offer him another deal just like it, but 6 or 7 years to any player just stunts your ability as a GM to ice a competitive team. Most guys don’t work out that long. I would never sign shatty to longer than 4, if that doesn’t get him?, Hasta la vista!

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 12:31 pm
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      Totally agree joeS …..how many high priced, older, ‘missing piece’ free agents will we sign before mngt learns that this method DOES NOT work!

      This philosophy, besides being unable to recognize talent [ letting strallman leave, signing girardi and stall and dan boyle to contracts ]
      is why we have 1 cup in what 75 years?

      Maybe a cheaper , better value like a Josh Manson , who also adds some much needed toughness to this team.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 12:39 pm
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        “Totally agree joeS …..how many high priced, older, ‘missing piece’ free agents will we sign before mngt learns that this method DOES NOT work!”
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        Term isn’t the problem; actually, it can be an asset (if used properly).

        You can create value because by signing a player to term (the cost of which is a function of the salary cap) because as the cap rises, the relative value of the contract tends to increase.

        The best example of this phenomenon can be seen by comparing Toews & Kane’s deals to Crosby & Malkin’s. Years ago, when the cap was lower, $8.7 million per year seemed like an absurd number. Fast forward to today, and it’s becoming apparent that McDavid’s ‘lifetime contract’ will come in well north of 12 million…. possibly as high as 15 even (the max a team may offer is 20% of the cap). See my point?

        The catch is, obviously, that you need to identify the type of players to give such contracts to. Stay at home defensemen are not & have never been a part of such a category. But Shatty might, given his proclivity for moving pucks & the fact such players rarely decline before their mid 30’s.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 2:23 pm
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        Rich S , SPOT ON , having Shatty would be a repeat of the Keith Yandle trade ( who by the way is being shopped by the Panthers with absolutely NO takers.) . The days of shelling out huge $$$$ for one dimensional D-men has to stop!!! ( LESSON LEARNED WITH YANDLE) . I am all for going all out after Josh Manson, he can play the game, and plays his position with a nastiness that this Ranger team sorely lacks, everywhere, but especially on D. Lets continue on the subject of grit and toughness. I was listening to NHL radio the other day, that had the play by play man of the St Louis Blues on, inquiring how was it that St Louis was PROTECTING their heavyweight enforcer Ryan Reeves from the draft, over many of their skilled players.The announcer said it was an easy choice, Reeves ( who may be the toughest guy in the NHL) can play the game. He is respected by the coaching staff and his teammates. His presence ALONE keeps the opposition honest and gives the Blues skill players plenty of room to do their thing, with no fear of being mistreated ( Tarasenko loves him) . Funny we has a guy who use to do the same thing, I think his name was Mcllrath. We need to slowly change the identity of the Rangers D men, they are soft, comfortable to play against, lets start by signing Smith, DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO LAND JOSH MANSON!!

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 2:48 pm
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          Jeez,.Dylan McIlraith. Couldn’t make the NYR, FLA and DET. I doubt we will ever see him in the NHL again.

          But, don’t let the fact that he isn’t any good dim your enthusiasm..

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 3:24 pm
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            My Pal Al, my enthusiasm and opinion will always be shining bright, I hope that is OK with you?? 🙂

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 4:30 pm
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          Bobby B
          Similarly, Matt Martin was protected by Toronto……some organizations know the importance of ‘toughness’ to a hockey team. Yes, I am BIG on keeping Smith, just what we need!
          This will piss off a few but its worth repeating……McIlrath was/is better than Holden , and Girardi and Stall for that matter and was a willing combatant when needed.
          When Radko Gudas boarded Vesey in preseason McIlrath went flying into the pile after him…..[ while stepan satnding next to gudas just watched!]

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 5:19 pm
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            Toronto and St Louis are the organizations the Rangers should be modeling their strategies after? Those 2 haven’t even had as much success in the last decade as the Rangers but clearly they know what they are doing!

            • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:23 pm
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              Spot On Spozo..

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:22 pm
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            Remember it so well, as well as his warm up discussion and battle that followed with Wayne Simmonds for his hit on McDonough, but in AV’s eyes that type of hockey justice is unacceptable??????.

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 9:22 am
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    When will the Rangers and their fans learn in regards to defensemen getting theses long term expensive contracts. Reddan, Girardi, Staal to name a few.
    I don’t care how good he carries the puck like Keith Yandle did. Six and a half million for six years, it would have to be a 26 year old Brian Leetch type player. He will be 29 halfway through the next season. STAY CLEAR OF HIM!

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 5:58 pm
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      I completely and unequivocally agree, unless he would take a shorter term deal!

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 7:30 pm
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      A 26 year old Leetch would get more than Subban, especially if an UFA

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 9:26 am
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    6×6.25, no NMC’s Done, if not (particularly NMC) then pass, move youngster up, anyway next year with Staal and older Nesh we are not contenders.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 9:53 am
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      The voice of reason.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:49 am
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      My guess is you’d have to be willing to budge on the NMC bit. It’s the lay of the land in the NHL nowadays, which is a little frustrating.

      After everything Nash did last year, you lumped him in with Staal? That’s….interesting.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:00 pm
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        I don’t think these guys really watch Nash play.

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 9:58 am
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    Sign Smith, trade for Dumba.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 10:28 am
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      Dumba is Holden 2.0 at this point. Covered this last week.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 10:51 am
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        I totally disagree here. He is a much more mobile defenseman with a higher upside.

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:13 am
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          He might have ‘upside’ due to his age, but, barring a sudden epiphany, I don’t see Dumba ever learning how to play defense. Ask MIN fans, he’s notorious for that.

          And the limited offensive production (Hodor numbers) doesn’t justify his negatives. He would need to double his output just to make any trade potentially worth it, given the aforementioned.

          In short, given the likely price & limited benefit (do we really need to waste assets on a small, piss poor defender putting up 34 points?), I wouldn’t go anywhere near that contract.

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:42 am
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            You may be right about Dumba – I really have no idea – but one can make a mistake by judging a player too much on how he fares with a particular team. Justin Schulz was basically run out of Edmonton he was so awful. Frankly, in the 2016 Cup run, he contributed nicely offensively, but he was really an embarrassment in his own end. Yet what we saw this year was just a good player. Sometimes players who excel in some aspects of the game and are weak in others can be repaired by the right coaching.

            Of course, except for Allaire, there is not much evidence that the Rangers have that coaching. Still, Beuk did pretty well with McIlrath and Clendening.

            • Jun 20, 2017 at 12:13 pm
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              That’s the thing,though. First EDM was never anywhere close to PIT, sadly, so his awful defensive play would have been exposed on a nightly basis there.

              I’m not saying Dumba won’t get better, or anything like that. I’m just saying that, given his cost (1st round pick, perhaps) & the marginal benefit he would provide, we’d be better off looking elsewhere.

              It’s not like we’d be trading a third round pick to get him.

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:51 am
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          It’s pretty telling that Minnesota left him unprotected at his age. They don’t think highly of him.

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 3:14 pm
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          Not that I’m piling on here, Dave, but I’m lining up with Blue Seat and Sal.

          If, as you project, a potential repercussion of signing Shattenkirk means bidding adieu to Brendan Smith… well f++k that nonsense.

          I’d prefer Dumba (or Vatanen, Josh Manson) in lieu of a Shattenkirk addition/Smith subtraction scenario.

          Moreover, if Shattenkirk is all but a lock–per our man Richter– why can’t we shape a better-shorter term deal: say four or five years?

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:03 pm
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            No more than 4, if not, Shatty doesn’t play in MSG except as a visitor.

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:25 pm
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            Fotiu, music to me ears!!! keep those brutally honest comments coming, U the man!! , just like Nicky was!!!

            • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:34 pm
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              Thanks, paisan. Hope you’re in a good place.

              It’s already north of 110 here in the High Desert, Bobby.

              And no Cup. Not even an ECF appearance to ride through the summer.

              • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:44 pm
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                Fotiu, feeling your pain, I still can not believe we lost out to Ottawa. We had the superior team, they wanted it more. We got out coached. Hank could not duplicate his herculean performance against Montreal.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 12:18 pm
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      Yes, I thought being available at his age was a concern. Or is it a blessing? 4 seasons and point totals improved every year, and 15 PPG, plus/minus 24. Right contract is worth it, no?

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 10:07 am
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    Dave,

    What happens when there is no amnesity buyouts awarded in the new CBA? They were only introduced to allow teams to get out of the rediculous front loaded contracts, that would now carry huge penalties for the club if that player retired early. While I have come to expect some sort of hold up when the next CBA, I dont expect amnesity buyouts.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 10:31 am
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      That’s always a possibility. However I am expecting another round of amnesty buyouts if/when (all signs pointing to when as of today) the CBA opt-out occurs in 2020.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:26 am
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        Fair enough, I agree about the opt out happens but disagree on amnesity, only time will tell.

        That being said, Id hate a contract to be signed hoping that amnesity buyout is around incase it doesnt work.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:46 am
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        I don’t really see a reason for amnesty buyouts. The last CBA made a number of contracts onerous that had been ok. The buyouts let teams off the hook from a problem the CBA created. If the next CBA doesn’t “ruin” contracts, there is no reason to give amnesty for previous mistakes.

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 12:49 pm
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          Aye, the only thing which might change that is if they fought over max term (and finally got it down to 5 years).

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:07 pm
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            no more than four, and max salary throughout a players career. they don’t like it, let ’em get a job with sanitation!

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 10:33 am
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    “1.Hes gonna fix the power play”. “2.Hes gonna fill the hole on the top line”, “3.Hes gonna take a pay cut to come here”, where have we heard this before?

    Brad Richards/Redden/Drury/Gomez all who atleast had first line experience. Buying out Drury to sign Richards. Want a good laugh google Rangers sign Redden and read Sathers quotes about it.

    I want no part of a future bad contract.

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 10:39 am
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    Talent aside, he’ll get his money; I simply hope it’s with someone else.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 10:54 am
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      The Rangers defense was not their total downfall last season, it was mostly Stepan’s fault, as many of us here know. Sprinkle in some of Hayes lackluster play and JT’s inability to backcheck, and there you have it in a nutshell. We do not need Shatty to be a better team, we just need to rid ourselves of the cancer named Stepan.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:52 am
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        ….This was sarcasm, right?

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 12:41 pm
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          If it was it was spot on accurate…….except he forgot to include the hall of shame coach AV….’he got lost on the bench!’

          • Jun 20, 2017 at 12:59 pm
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            Sorry, correct, I forgot that fool of a coach too! That Bastard!

            • Jun 20, 2017 at 1:08 pm
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              That’s one thing I agree with you (& Rich) about….

              I STILL don’t understand why we continue to employ this guy…..

              ‘… Lost on the bench’ ….

              You can’t make this crap up!!!

              • Jun 20, 2017 at 1:16 pm
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                He is a GM’s dream! He does what the GM wants. He doesn’t complain in the press. Keeps the team quiet. Does NOT let the team embarrass themselves on OR off the ice. Makes the playoffs and dodges all the tough questions and never pushes blame up the ranks. Why wouldn’t Sather and Gorton want him?

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 11:41 am
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    At 6 years / 6.5, I would, surprisingly, pass.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 12:20 pm
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      That’s the knee jerk reaction, IMO, despite not being entirely off-base.

      Who else are we gonna get to play RHD? Clendenning? You? … me?

      As such, I won’t exactly blame them if he signs.

      • Jun 20, 2017 at 1:44 pm
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        When you have cap space, you both increase your attractiveness as a trading partner as well as increase the leverage you have in trade negotiations. I’d be willing to explore those unknowns over the next year or two as opposed to lock in for 6 years with a 28yo.

        If we do sign Shatty I’d expect 2 good years, 2 serviceable years and 2 unfortunate years……and anything better would likely change my ‘today’ opinion.

        • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:14 pm
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          The only reason I would favor signing him (assuming it’s 6 @ 6.5) is if the contract is structured correctly (ie, front loaded with no NMC on the last two seasons), you can potentially trade him away at a future deadline, with 50% retained, for a sizable haul. Look at what Yandle cost us, and don’t forget, we did something similar in the past with Gaborik.

          Obviously there’s a lot of risk, but I’d be willing to take it, given his age & style of play.

          • Jun 21, 2017 at 11:02 am
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            But we got Yandle at the age Shatty is now….. Shatty will be traded at 32 and I’m assuming after his prime as opposed to during it. To me, there’s the difference. Will be interesting to see where this goes.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:40 pm
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      Stick tap to that bit of clear-eyed, rational thought, Hatrick.

      If Shattenkirk’s so keen to put on a Blueshirt, to play near home how ’bout Mr Gorton and Slats take your cue, Hat: four years. No mas.

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 3:44 pm
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    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Peter-Tessier/There-are-bound-to-be-Trouba-rumours-soon/161/85885

    For those who question how good Trouba is.

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 4:28 pm
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    Really wish Corsica were still around to see if we could find a comp for a D who went this long into his career as a relatively sheltered, favorable QoC player before being flipped up to the high leverage top-pair that AV loves.

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:11 pm
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      Are you speaking Mandarin? LOL

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:17 pm
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      … on the other hand, we threw Girardi out there vs the highest quality of competition on a nightly basis, so, things can only go up from there, right … ?

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 4:43 pm
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    Save the money, trade Step & Staal for Pesce & picks, re-sign Smith & get Bieksa’s expiring contract: you have a RD for next season and you have a boatload of cap room to pick up another expiring contract(that some team wants out of) to fill in if Hayes or Zbad falter.

    You have to clear the decks for McJesus in 2018. You’re either in it to win it or you’re just wasting our time and money.

    The team will need $25mm in cap room to offer sheet McDavid and sign our RFAs in Miller, Hayes & Skjei.

    They can make that number, they have their draft picks that they would have to give up. Now do they have the onions to go for it or just buy another expensive bandaid that might not get us out if the 2nd round.

    • Jun 21, 2017 at 2:03 pm
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      That is a bold and interesting strategy, will never happen but you’ve won me over

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 4:50 pm
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    we just freed up some cap space so lets blow our load on a over priced rightwiing defenseman … if he wants to play so bad here , 4 yr/4.75 mil max

    • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:14 pm
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      I like your thinking. I don’t think I’ve ever said that before. See, we can all get along!

      • Jun 22, 2017 at 7:47 pm
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        see … the name is subconsciously getting to you … ur catching on !

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 6:29 pm
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    Maybe Shatty, as really wanting to play here, signs a team-friendly deal?

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 7:23 pm
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    I say the Rangers offer 6 years at 6.25 million per and tell him to take it or leave it.

  • Jun 20, 2017 at 10:12 pm
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    So overrated, I wouldn’t want him for half that. A signing the Rangers will certainly regret within 2 years.

    • Jun 21, 2017 at 8:29 am
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      could turn into a skating Twin, I’m with you, let him walk for that term!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jun 21, 2017 at 12:06 pm
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    I am not a Shatty fan, but if they got him to ink a 4 year deal at a reasonable price it would not be a disaster.

    I would much prefer them somehow getting a young guy like Trouba and locking him up.

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