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Blue Seat Blogs-Cast – Rangers/Montreal series reactions, and are fans to blame?

April 18, 2017, by

On this week’s episode of the Blue Seat Blogs-Cast the gang talks playoff hockey. We go over what’s ailing this team, what’s up with the Garden crowd, and what other games we’ve been watching. As always you can find us right here, on iTunes, and on SoundCloud. Be sure to leave us reviews and feedback!

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  1. Axel Olsén says:

    Hi, What do you guys think of Brendan Smith? I think he has been quite good, doing what he was supposed to do, that pair with him and Skeji i thought was really nice tbh.

    Maybe i go a bit far into the future here, but what do you think of our top 9 in terms of next season? Who do you want traded if any and where? Im pretty fed up with Stepan and I really want u to hear what other fans think of Miller/Hayes. Imo they started the season really well but now they dont seem to give that much of a shit. No shots, No goals and a lack of effort alot of the time.

    Also, What do you think about Holden/Klein in or out, I would like to see Kempfer to play tonight, because he cant really be any worse then any of them and it could be a good experience as it was last year for Skeji.

    Hope for a better attitude tonight.

    LGR.

    • Dave says:

      Smith has been as advertised. Solid, not flashy, and better than most of the current group.

      Top-9 next season is tough to really project with the expansion draft and the needs on the blue line.

  2. joe cafardo says:

    Here is what I want: Players who LOVE the game. Give me the Marchand’s, Zuuc, Gallaghers….the guys who may not have the size, skills but work like heck and have heart. Where is our Joe Thornton? And give me a coach who has a structure that is agile and adapts to what is happening IN the game. Watching the Leafs last night made me jealous. Youth, speed, energy all framed by excellent in game management. They make mistakes but of speed and aggression no tentative over passing or big hits coming from poor puck management. We are so far away with this lineup and this moron of a coach.

    • Mikeyyy says:

      Toronto also had several years where they sucked and were making excellent draft and trade choices.

      Nyr considers itself a perennial contender. So that won’t ever happen here. Mgmt is just happy to keep making the playoffs not win them.

      You want to win the playoffs you need to dump the trash.

      • Walt says:

        Mike

        Spot on with the remark, management is just happy to make the show, with all their warts on display for the world to see, but we’re there!!!!!! I’d rather tank it for a season to get a shot at a Cindy, Mathews, McDavid, instead of half hearted guys like Stepan……….

        • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

          Walt, I hear you, but that’s easier said than done in NY. Tanking it for a season means a major rebuild. Could take years. Edmonton has been trying to rebuild for ten years. It’s finally paying off, but try doing that in NYC. How do you think that would affect season ticket sales, ad revenue and the like? And you do realize, that if you were the GM recommending such a thng, that the odds are you wouldn’t be around in the end to see it through. And probably you go through a few coaches in the process too.

          All on the hope we MIGHT, just MIGHT, land a generational talent if the lottery ball bounces our way?

          You’d have a heard time selling Dolan on that one.

          • Walt says:

            Weren’t there plenty crying the blues just yesterday about the crowd, who gives a hoot about the crowd. Maybe the prices comes down, and the real fans can park their tails in the blue seats again!!!!!!!

          • Walt says:

            The real problem, Dolan can give a crap if the team wins, or loses, just look at the Knicks. NY fans will come just the same, and they are force fed garbage by management!!!!

            • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

              Well, I’m no fan of Dolan so I’m with you on that. But the Rangers have been a very succesful franchise–arguably one of the most succesful NHL franchise in many respects over the past five seasons. That’s a hard thing to just decide to walk away from at the moment–especially since the Knicks are so awful. I’m not so sure the NY Liberty can make up it! 🙂

              Gorton obviously has a plan, and we saw a glimpse of it over the summer. You seem to have faith in him, and so do other fans. He signed AV long term, which even to me was a strange move. They didn’t trade away their number one, all their moves the past nine months have been about the future. I want to see what Gorton does this summer before I make a judgment. I have a hunch he’s going to make some significant moves.

    • Walt says:

      Joe

      I agree with every word, and the only way to get to these type of players is to draft them, and develop them. For tooooooooo damn many years, we as an organization never drafted well, gave away our top picks for some old washed up fart who can’t skate, or the fire in the gut isn’t anything more than ambers. Bottom line, the GM, and ownership has to commit to developing a young team, that wants to win, and do whatever it takes to win!!!!!!!!!

      • joe cafardo says:

        Anything Dolan has that is sports related is like plutonium, Its just toxic. I really wish he would just go away with his stupid fake rock n roll persona and daddy’s money and sell the Knicks and Rangers to owners who hate losing.
        What a bum. How does NY get stuck with such crap???????

        • stevesse says:

          Really? Putting the blame on Dolan because he has a GM who puts a competitive product on the ice each year? Thinking he doesn’t give a damn is just silly. He hires who most people, at that time, think are good GM’S and lets them do the work. The real truth is fans are fickle. Scream for change and never satisfied. With the Knicks, he hired the person everyone thought of as a genius(Phil Jackson). Was it his fault the guy is awful?
          Let us be real. The essence of every(or almost every championship) in hockey and basketball is finishing last or next to last and getting that one or two great dominant player.I know the Rangers traded away draft chioces for aging vets, but never a top 5 pick. Check out last 7 NHL champs and NBA also. How many NY fans would be willing to finsh last to get that first pick? If that is the case, maybe we should blow up the rangers roster completely. I think Knick fans would, because they have been bad so long.

          • Walt says:

            Problem with what you say is the Knicks have been terrible since they last won in 1973. Where you even alive then, because I stopped watching these overpaid hot dogs who won’t win until management makes a major commitment to do so, sorry my man!!!!!!!!!

            • Stevesse says:

              Again, you can clearly see that the Knicks made the playoffs for 15 years when they had that superstar in Patrick Ewing. Went to finals twice. BTW, I grew up with Winn Eliot broadcasting Ranger games on Channel 9, so I am a long time Blue Blood. I want them to win desperately, but I don’t think they have that over the top talent that makes a championship team. How many years before the Leafs got Auston Matthews? Would the fans be ready to give up 3-5 years?

        • Walt says:

          Joe

          Funny how your thinking, I just posted above before reading your post, which I believe is spot on the mark!!!!!!!!!!

  3. 43 says:

    Becky’s overtly pessimistic.

    I know game 3 sucked, but have faith. Rags have pulled back from 3-1 deficits before. We know that.

    • Becky says:

      Did you listen to the rationale at all or nah?

      • 43 says:

        The rationale is that they played a bad game, Montreal played a good game. (Montreal definitely does not suck, either. You guys have got to stop saying that on here, that’s misinformation.) The rationale is not that the Rangers suck and that the season’s over. If you’re done with them, that’s fine. But please don’t make a podcast promoting this overreacted negativity.

        Around the league, Rangers fans have a reputation for always complaining regardless of how good or bad the team is. Becky, sorry to say, but you are one of these people that helps feed this reputation.

        Look, I had a bad reaction to game 3, too. I posted some pretty bummed out things yesterday. You can search them, quote them if you’d like to counter-argue, but I’ve decided that I’m not going to abandon these guys. If this is the second-to-last Rags game of the season, then I want to watch it and keep supporting our guys.

        • King Sieveqvist ! King Sieveqvist ! King Sieveqvist ! says:

          They haven’t played good since about the middle of the 2nd period of Game 2

        • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

          I haven’t had a chance to listen to the podcast, but if anyone says that Montreal is a bad team, that to me is a gross overstatement and totally inaccurate. They are a good but not great team–just like us. But where they have the edge is that their best players Max and Weber, are significantly better than anyone we can put out there. Weber has been a difference maker in this series thus far. We dont have those kind of players, and star power rules mofre often than not in post-season.

          Not speaking directly at Becky or anyone else for that matter, but to me those espousing the narrative of “Habs are a bad team that the Rangers should easily beat” is simply code for “we want to create a mythical narrative that puts all the blame on the coach”. The Habs have been one of the better teams in hockey down the stretch. The Rangers have been a painfully average team for two months now. This is nothing new and was expected by most experts at the start of the season–borderline playoff team that at best would be one and done.

          We all wanted the team to get younger and get out of cap hell. Gorton did that over the summer. We all wanted Gorton to NOT give away more of the future just to take “one more kick at the can” this season. Gorton Resisted the temptation. But as a result, we lost Brassard, arguably our best big game forward, as well as Yandle in the process, and didnt really add much that can help us short term. Meanwhile, Montreal made moves that were all 100% about the here and now. So if we get knocked out first round, we will be pissed because Gorton did exactly what we wanted him to do?

          Fans…as in fanatics. 🙂

        • Becky says:

          This team has disappointed me for the past two playoffs we have been in. If I’m sending some kind of narrative that upsets you or ruins your reputation with the rest of the hockey community, I’m sorry that it upsets you — clearly not my objective. But the Pitt series was a joke, and you’re fooling yourself if you think Montreal is the cream of the crop. I do think they’re talented enough to be in the playoffs — obviously — but in terms of talent, sorry to say, the Rangers should have a cake walk here.

          I’m certainly not of the ilk or in any position to tell other fans what to do. However, today I have a company holiday party and, in years past, I’ve passed on these events to watch or go to games. Not this year.

          • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

            Wow! That does say a lot. But I dont blame you!

            Again, it’s all a matter of perspective. The Pens were a juggernaut and were so much better than us it wasn’t even funny. Your guy Torts is finding this out first hand. Even with significant injuries, the Pens cant be stopped because their star power is off the charts.

            I dont know who said Montreal was the cream of the crop, and again I didnt hear the podcast so I apologize in advance if I am making judgments, but there has been a narrative out here that Montreal is a bad team…and sorry, that’s just not true. They are a good team that has been playing some of the best hockey in the league for awhile now. And again, this is where we have a huge difference of opinion. I think you and other drastically overrate the talent on this team. The Rangers haven’t been an effective offensive force since mid-February. This is not a “playoff phenomena” all of a sudden. This group’s offensive production has fallen off dramatically, which suggests they were a bit of a fluke early on.

            Not a single Rangers forward was on NHL.com’s list of top 50 players. We had very few players play in the World Cup. We see the team as we want to see them…as we hope they COULD be, as opposed to what they are. But the reality is I believe if you did a draft and wanted to select the best of the best to win a SC, putting cap and age aside….just this year, I think very, very few Rangers would be selected.

            They just aren’t there yet Becky. And that’s ok, because this was supposed to be a rebuilding year anyway with many experts saying they would miss the playoffs altogether.

            The big question is, can any of these young “stars” ever get there? That is the big unknown. I have my doubts. which is why I think big changes to the personnel are coming.

  4. roadrider says:

    Many good points about AV but c’mon – the Rangers do have good forward depth but they don’t have the high-end talent that teams like Pittsburgh, Washington, Chicago (Yes, I know Chicago is down 3-0 to NSH but they have won a couple of Cups with that core and I know that the Caps are looking like they’re about to make another early playoff exit but they’re still a more talented team than the NYR).

    What’s missing from the Rangers’ front lines is elite scoring talent – finishers – guys that don’t often miss when they get open looks. Zuccarello and Nash are probably the closest in terms of talent but Nash is past his prime as an elite scorer and Zucc is now more of a play maker. Hayes, Miller, Kreider, Stepan, Zibanejad – all nice players but there’s not a real sniper among them. Not one of those guys can be counted on to deliver the clutch goal when its needed the most especially on the PP.

    Can Buchnevich be that guy? Well, we won’t find out unless he plays and isn’t buried on the 4th line.

    • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

      100% agree. Nailed it exactly.

      I think Buch is probably a year or two away, and might not be 100% in NHL game shape because of his back. Doesn’t mean he cant help us now, but that just feels like a real long shot.

    • King Sieveqvist ! King Sieveqvist ! King Sieveqvist ! says:

      Nash was supposed to be “that guy” … good chunk of change in his pocket each year with not much to show for it … is he a good hockey player , yup , not worth the what is it again ? 7.5 mil ?

      • Walt says:

        So were Marcel Dionne, Barry Beck, Dan Boyle, Pavel Bure, Phil Esposito, Theo Fleury, Marian Gaborik, Mike Gartner, Wayne Gretzky, Jaromir Jagr, Jari Kurri, Guy Lafleur, Eric Lindros, Luc Robitaille, Brendan Shanahan, Eric Staal. Gees, they all came here to be our saviors, all got big deals, and crapped out………Maybe it goes back to an earlier post I made today, they are all retreads, well over the hill, but we are gluttons for punishment, we keep going back to the same well, and drink the same kool aid, and expect magic. That’s one sorry record we have had, and we should be vocal about those failures!!!!!!!

        • Eddie!Eddie!Eddie! says:

          Walt-

          As the resident Ranger historians here (among many others), you and I have to debate this. No doubt many of these deals were bad. But some you mention were good. Just because they didnt result in a Cup doesnt mean they were bad, or that they were retreads or over the hill.

          Dionne–Yeah, for Carpenter, who we got for Ridley and Miller. Just mind boggling how bad that was. But once the damage was done with Carpenter, Dionne was a good move IMO. 🙂

          Beck…he was 23yo at the time. hardly over the hill. My beef with that deal was they gutted a SCF team to get him. I was covering the team at the time. The room was devastated. Had some very good years and then of course got hurt. So bad trade but he was at the time considered to be an elite defenseman.

          Boyle….yep, OTH (over the hill)

          Bure….yeah, he was damaged goods and not worth it. And the Rangers gave up a lot for him. But none of those guys amounted to anything.

          Espo…..well, you know I hated that trade as much as you did. One week after releasing Eddie, they trade Ratelle and Park? My God! But objectively, Espo was two years younger than Ratelle, still EXTREMELY good, and helped guide the Rangers to the 1979 SCF. And then personally, I got to know Espo. He presented me with an award in high school, which I will never forget. Then a few years later, got a chance to start covering the team and he couldn’t have been nicer. I know that has nothing to do with this discussion but it’s hard for me to come down to hard on the guy….as a player anyway! The team pretty much worshipped the ground he walked on. So cant say he was washed up. He played great for most of his remaining time in NY.

          Fleury….yeah, true. But the Rangers were awful then and all it cost was money pre-cap.

          Gaborik….He was 27 when acquired. Not over the hill at all. The Rangers needed a scorer to replace Jagr and Shanny. He had two spectacular years in NY. He was a FA and only cost cap space, but without him, we are a lottery team during the Torts Era. You have to spend money on someone! I have no idea why Torts chased him out of town. I truly believe if he had been on the 2014 SCF team, we would have won.

          But the trade was made and we did get valuable assets. That move was nothing but a positive, so I disagree.

          Gartner….sorry Walt, that was a spectacular deal. Ulf Dahlen was a good player. Gartner was a HOF and was brilliant during his NY years. Keenan didnt much care for him, which was fine, but without Gartner we don’t get Glen Anderson, who helped win the Cup. Can’t agree at all on this.

          Gretzky…again, that’s just money and pre-cap, who cares? It was awesome having him on the team. And that one magical Spring with him and Messier in 1997 making an unexpected playoff run was more than worth it.

          Jagr….Again, GREAT move! We got him for Anson Carter and the Caps picked up half his salary. He almost singlehadedly helped lead the Rangers back to respectability again, I’d argue that was one of Sather’s best decisions.

          Kurri….yeah, that was a bad move.

          Lafleur….it was cool seeing him in a Rangers uniform, and he had a good year too! Just money. No harm no foul at all.

          Lindros….we really gave up nothing to get him and he had one good year on an awful team. Again, no harm no foul.

          Robitaille….yeah, not good. He was part of the deal that saw us part with Zubov. A huge mistake.

          Shanahan…..wow! Walt, with Jagr, he brought leadership and production to a very young team that helped bring the Rangers franchise back. That was a FA signing that cost us very little. Totally worth it and another really good move by Sather. Those young Rangers team would have gone nowhere without Jagr and Shanny.

          Staal….yeah, not good. But it seems as if we parted with nothing of value.

          Your forgot Ken Hodge and Bobby Carpenter. Those were the two worst and most unforgivable trades, hands down!

          So on your list, the only deals that were made that actually hurt the team were the Kurri and Robitaille deals. The rest either were a wash or made us better….in my humble opinion! 🙂

  5. pitp says:

    I’ve had season tix for almost 25 years. In all those years, I have only missed a few home play off games when I absolutely couldn’t get off work (I work many nights and weekends). We have spent enough money on tix to have easily paid for both sons’ college educations, and we have missed countless hours of work, weddings, baptisms, bat mitzvahs, graduations, and even funerals to go to games to support this team. Hell, my son is even named after an NYR player. This is where I draw the line. Tonight I am done. I sold my ticket and refuse to go to one more game as long as this clueless, stubborn SOB we call a coach is still at the helm and these uninspired, in it only for the money players are still on this team. Sunday’s game was an utter abomination. The worst effort I have ever seen from a NYR team. I could tell even in warm-ups they just did not give a shit. There are only three or four guys who are really giving it their all – the rest are giving nothing. In all the player and coach interviews after the game it is apparent they don’t even have the first clue that they are not playing up to the level they should be. That might be the scariest thing of all. We need a new coach, a new captain, a new GM, a hell of a lot of new players and for Sather to GTFO.