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Trouba and Shattenkirk: Why not both?

October 17, 2016, by
Could Shattenkirk form part of a new blueline core? Photo credit: Jerome Miron-USA TODAY Sports

Could Shattenkirk form part of a new blueline core? Photo credit: Jerome Miron-USA TODAY Sports

Here’s food for thought: why can’t the Rangers have Jacob Trouba AND Kevin Shattenkirk? I think it is a legitimate option that the Rangers should explore. I am not normally an advocate of blowing your remaining assets to trade for any one player, particularly one (Trouba) who isn’t the finished article and particularly as the franchise is still in replenish the  mode. However there is one circumstance where I’m willing to change my thinking and that is for a young, hard to find player that the team can build around. That player could be Jacob Trouba.

To cut to the chase, the Rangers should try their hardest to get both Trouba and Shattenkirk. There are so many benefits to this. Forget about the likelihood or practicalities of making this happen for a second, and just think about the benefits. A top four containing Ryan McDonagh, Trouba and Shattenkirk would immediately make the Rangers owners of a truly elite, modern blueline. Possession numbers would be better, special teams would be better, better breakouts almost a given and you can argue, having a stronger blueline should extend not just the Rangers’ window of contention but by default, Henrik Lundqvist’s career.

The Rangers have wisely stocked up on forwards this summer. They needed to. The rewards can already be seen as the Rangers have looked more explosive, faster and deeper than they have for a long time. Would the Rangers part with a talented young forward and, say, Brady Skjei to get Trouba? They should. Can they also make the cap maths work for pending UFA Shattenkirk in the summer? With some difficult decisions made (cutting certain veterans…), and a cap rise, it could be done. If he gets there.

I would rather the Rangers not trade Brady Skjei – he’s one for the future. I would rather not trade JT Miller either. However if you told me, as a result of trading for both, that the Rangers would/could have a blueline core of McDonagh, Shattenkirk and Trouba to build around, I would argue that they would be in a better position to contend for the long term than they are in now.

The Rangers are deep enough up front to realise that they can part with some forward talent. They surely also recognise that the very best teams in the league are mobile and deep on the blueline. If the Rangers can really swing for the fences and get both Trouba and Shattenkirk it’s almost a must-do if it can be realised. How aggressive Jeff Gorton is in his pursuit of Jacob Trouba (and Shattenkirk) will tell us how much he’s been influenced by Glen Sather over the past few years. Is a move for both stud blueliners likely? Perhaps not, but the chance is there if the Rangers want to be bold (a la Glen) and it obviously makes for a fun and promising prospect doesn’t it?

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44 comments

  1. SalMerc says:

    Why not? If you have to include a Krieder, that is a why not. If you can get them both and still keep McD and Krieder, okay, but otherwise, Ii do not think you add a Buch or a Vesey or a Krieder into the mix. Yes on Zuc, yes on Nash and yes please on Stepan, maybe on JT, maybe on Hayes, but you have to be careful not to drain your forwards either. If you can somehow move either Staal or Girardi while getting those guys, you have to make the moves

  2. amy says:

    it would be a great idea to get both guys if you can move parts like Staal and Girardi to do it

  3. Fantasy GM Wanna Be says:

    Forget about the likelihood or practicalities of making this happen
    _
    ok, got it

  4. Benjamin Bousa says:

    You would have to either move G or Staal or buy one out. Because you can only protect 3 defensmen. And you would have to sign Shatty as a FA.

    • Rangers Fan in Boston says:

      Exactly. Can’t forget about the expansion draft. It’s a real issue that has to be considered.

  5. Fantasy GM Wanna Be says:

    the very best teams in the league are mobile and deep on the blueline
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    you must be referring to mobile dmen like Rosival, Luke Schenn, Justin Schultz, and Paul Martin

    • Rangers Fan in Boston says:

      Nice job cherry picking the 6th and 7th defensemen on good teams.

      Try the actual game changing talent that matches that description:

      Duncan Keith
      Niklas Hjalmarsson
      Kris Letang
      Olli Maatta
      Drew Doughty
      Jake Muzzin

      • Fantasy GM Wanna Be says:

        I believe the post said mobile and deep. So you chose the top pair.
        _
        Ok, got it.

        • Rangers Fan in Boston says:

          Last I checked all 3 of those teams are deep at that position with Norris Trophy candidates leading the way.

          Let’s not try to make the argument that good (i.e. championship) teams don’t need good defensemen.

          • Fantasy GM Wanna Be says:

            OK. let’s not; not sure where you are coming from, but to repeat, the line was deep and mobile. My point is NONE of the elite teams are DEEP AND MOBILE.
            .
            Capice?

  6. Pas44 says:

    my heart can not handle such talk on a Monday man!!!!!

  7. Tyler says:

    I don’t see why it’s impractical. If troubas price is too high, and the rumors are true about rangers still scouting the ducks, I could see a trade for vatanen/fowler this year. Then next year buying out Girardi and signing shatty. You could still then leave(depending on trades) Klein or Holden for expansion draft to let go.

    • Reenavipul says:

      Fowler not that good lately, is UFA in two(?) years. Wouldn’t want to give much up for him.

      • Tyler says:

        Me neither. That’s why I think rangers are looking at him. Way lower asking price than trouba

  8. Bobby B says:

    I would love to have them both, can we add Conner McDavid to the list too? 🙂

  9. Peter says:

    Of course you try to get both. I don’t think you include a Kreider in the Truba deal and of course not McD. Since Trouba is only 23 I think that you consider parting with JT or Hayes if you have to. Maybe even other young forwards on the club if our scouts rate Trouba highly. Shatternick you try to ban as a free Agent.

    But, what do you do with Girardi? Steal? I!d try to hold onto Skjei but he is not untouchable. Girardi and Staal are untradeable; no easy solutions with them. You also have to give up talent to get talent generally and the Blue line is a desperate situation.

    • Peter says:

      haha the typos in my prior post are awesome! 🙂

      My friend asked me, would I include a Vesey or Buch? I’d say probably not, but, it depends upon how highly our scouts rate Trouba. If they think he is going to be a top defenseman in the league for years, well then yes because although Vesey and Buch will be nice players, neither is projected to be a Connor McDavid.

    • Chris A says:

      I said this last thread about Trouba, but I think it bears repeating.

      Adam Larsson and Seth Jones, brought back Taylor Hall and Ryan Johnasson. The Rangers have nothing remotely close to those two forwards on their roster. In other words, the Rangers are not getting Trouba.

      Winnipeg will realize that no one is giving them a first liner in his prime for Trouba, and will then pony up and meet Trouba’s contract demands. It’s possible that someone is willing to swap another young D for Trouba, but I don’t see that happening.

  10. Reenavipul says:

    You:
    1: Give up a 1st & 3rd rd pick and give Trouba a $6.9mm signing bonus on a $3.3mm AAV that WPG can’t match. Do it 3 days before the payroll checks get cut and WPG has their 5 day break.

    2: Not dress Girardi until he asks for a trade. Give up a 2018 pick to move him.

    3: Wait a year and sign Shattenkirk on a hometown discount UFA

    • Walt says:

      I like the idea sitting Girardi all year, but the NHL players association would file a complaint against us for that !!!!!!!!!!

      • Reenavipul says:

        If Girardi was hurt, put on LTIR and the Rangers went above the cap using their cap credit, Girardi could not return to the lineup until they became cap compliant or the regular season ended.

        • Chris A says:

          Yes, but eventually the NHLPA and NHL would force the Rangers to become cap compliant so they could reinstate the no longer injured Girardi.

          • Reenavipul says:

            Chicago’s done it multiple times, never been an issue. It’s been collectively bargained, the Rangers have every legal right to do it if push comes to shove.

            • Chris A says:

              Which players did Chicago pull that off with?

              • Reenavipul says:

                Pat Kane the 1st time with his collarbone, the 2nd one was, 2 years ago? Hossa?

              • Chris A says:

                I think you are correct about Hossa, but I cant remember the particulars. Kane missed the last week or two of the regular season two years ago, when he could have been brought back. That’s quite different than what you are suggesting.

                Kane and Hossa are significant players that Chicago needed to have back for a playoff run, cap shenanigans aside. Girardi is clearly a player that the Rangers are better off with on LTIR than in the active roster.

                If Kane or Hossa were adamant that they were no longer injured and demanded to be activated they could have created a problem for the Blackhawks the last two years.

              • Reenavipul says:

                I am wrong about Hossa(turns out to be Kruger) but Kane in 2015 was the 1st one for sure: missed all of March on, came back for Game 1, round 1.

              • Reenavipul says:

                I guess we’re going to agree to disagree. Kane went along with it, but was also legit hurt. He couldn’t have come back if he wanted.

                If the Rangers did it with Girardi(and his games missed and games where he was beyond subpar showed that the only reason he didn’t go on LTIR was G played against medical advice) he would’ve been in the same boat if the club has used his cap credit and he would’ve stayed parked even after medically cleared.

                That’s black letter law in the CBA.

              • Chris A says:

                Are you saying that if Kane made an issue of being listed on LTIR when he was indeed healthy, the NHLPA and NHL would have ignored him?

                It was obvious that Chicago’s front office and Kane had an agreement that Kane would sit out the rest of the regular season so Chicago could use the space gained by Kane’s LTIR stint to add Antoine Vermette to their roster.

                Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say. To me, it sounds like you are saying that once a player on LTIR has healed from his injuries that his team has zero obligation to reactivate him and can stash that player on LTIR through the end of the regular season.

              • Reenavipul says:

                If you misunderstand, read the CBA Article 50:10(d)(iv)

              • Chris A says:

                I will, thanks for the reference!

      • Chris A says:

        You can’t file a grievance for a coach’s decision. If the Rangers ask Girardi to go on IR the rest of the year with a fake injury, then there could be a grievance filed.

        • Reenavipul says:

          Who said anything about a fake injury? He’s hurt again, should’ve been LTIR’d last season for the patella. He’ll block another shot. If you think he’ll miss 10 games, you do it.

          • Chris A says:

            Sure, but the issue the Rangers have isn’t cap related, it’s a question of roster space.

            Whatever D the Rangers add this season will be exposed in June at the expansion draft, barring an (unwise) buyout of Girardi.

            Adding Girardi to LTIR does zero to fix that problem/

            • Reenavipul says:

              But stapling him to the press box should force a trade, losing one less player to expose.

              If you go Staal MacDonagh Trouba, not sweating any loss.

              • Chris A says:

                Agreed. But who is taking Girardi at this point? He has managed to look even slower this season.

                Girardi getting turnstiled and falling down when Tarasenko took him wide in the first period was awful.

                Jumping out to defend Tarasenko in the corner for no reason on that PP goal and then not being able to get there quickly enough to do anything was plain embarrassing.

                I thought Girardi regaining a modicum of health would be enough for him to fake being an NHL caliber D for a month so he could build up some trade value. Based on his start to the season, he is quickly becoming a guy that shouldn’t even be in the NHL.

              • Reenavipul says:

                Teams that need a 7D that want draft picks and want an eggshell to get close to the cap. If/when he gets hurt they have a $5.5mm cap credit for $3mm

              • Chris A says:

                Sadly, other than Arizona, there are no more ‘get to the floor teams’.

                Also, Girardi’s actual salary the next 3 seasons is $5M, $4M, $4M. It’s still a gain for a theoretical floor team, but not nearly as much as you suggested.

  11. Walt says:

    Chris

    I would agree with how great a mobile defense we would have, but I wouldn’t trade anything for Shattenkirk…The guy is from NY, and wants to plkay here, so he becomes a USA next summer, why give up a future player whom we could get for free !!!!!!!!!

    Trouba is worth perusing, and if a deal can be worked out, go for it. The problem we get into is cap issues, with Z due for a major raise, Trouba wanting a big raise, and this would be Shattenkirk’s last contract, so he’ll want some big money. No way to work this under the cap unless both Girardi, and Staal are moved.

    Just a thought !!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. joe K says:

    I read this an felt like you make it sound so simple. Do you understand what a salary cap is.??? You must be a Yankee fan, as they have an idea that you can get anybody you want. Maybe in Baseball its true, not in Hockey

  13. ScottishCharlie says:

    Is there any takers for Nash and his $sss?

  14. Arisrules says:

    Why would we do that when we have Girardi and Staal patrolling the blueline?