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Calming some of the Jimmy Vesey hype

August 18, 2016, by
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A lot has been made all over the internet about Jimmy Vesey’s free agency. Vesey became a free agent on Tuesday, and has met with several teams, including the Rangers. Celebrities were tweeting at Vesey to sign in New York. That’s how ridiculous this has become. It’s kind of humorous, but it may actually wind up shooting Vesey in the foot with ridiculous expectations.

Here’s the thing with Vesey: He’s not Gretzky. He’s not Crosby. He’s not Ovechkin. He’s likely a middle-six forward who at his peak could be a consistent 20-goal, 50-point player. That’s a solid NHL player, but not a top line, can’t miss guy.

With Vesey, the major selling point for all teams is that they are getting a middle six forward for $925,000 plus bonuses. The going rate for players like him on the open market is almost triple that amount. To get Vesey’s potential production at that cost is a huge win for whatever team signs him.

For the Rangers, he represents another young winger with potential, and one that gives them tremendous flexibility to make a trade from the roster to address current needs on the blue line. Signing Vesey gives them the ability to trade someone like Rick Nash to make a splash on defense.

If the Rangers land Vesey, it’s critical to keep expectations in check. He, like Pavel Buchnevich, won’t light the world on fire this coming season. It’s more than likely he will sit in the middle-six for the Rangers, perhaps as a third line winger in protected starts. He could thrive in that role, but he’s not going to score 50 goals. Let’s keep the hype in check.

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44 comments

  1. amy says:

    I would love to see him come here but let’s be honest other teams are going to wine and dine him to come to their team I can see the bruins, sabres, and isles making a pitch for him

  2. Kevin Baumer says:

    While I’m excited about Vesey the player, I think the more exciting aspect is the flexibility signing him would give the Rangers. From the various bona fide talents that could be mixed and matched in line combos, to the added security of having another block to build around for the future, to the ability for the front office to trade from extra depth up front to support the D.

  3. Spozo says:

    Tempering expectations when the last NCAA holdout to sign with the Rangers that has averaged 40 points the past 2 seasons is classified as lazy and a must trade despite his reasonable contract? Lay off the pipe Dave!

  4. Andy says:

    Certainly would love to have him as a Ranger. But the hype around this guy seems over done. Maybe it’s lack of news at this time of year(ex the Blue Seats Blog of course)or millennial drama..I am not sure…but I think it’s too late too set a reasonable expectation for this guy in year 1. He’s a solid NHL ready prospect and the price is right. But the expectations will be higher than they should be…

  5. SalMerc says:

    What Vesey could bring to the NYR is a lot more than a mid-6 forward. He could actually open up the logjam at mid-6 forward by allowing Gorton to make some moves and fix the roster in the area where everyone knows needs fixing.

    His arrival, while not the savior, could allow Gorton to make a complimentary move, where someone like Nash goes, and/or someone like Klein gets packaged and a real top-4 defenseman arrives. This opens up some ice time for Vesey, Buch, JT and others, while saving some money in Cap space and putting a fix in the area we need it most, the blueline.

    • Spozo says:

      Isn’t Klein a top 4 defenseman anyway?

      • SalMerc says:

        Not a top 4 with speed through the neutral zone. He is top 4 on our team because we have Girardi and Staal.

        • Spozo says:

          So on any other team in the league Klein is a 5th or 6th defenseman?

          • ken says:

            Klein had a lousy 2nd half and at 32, he’s not getting any younger! Trade him now while you might still be able to get something for him!

        • Fotiu is God says:

          I’ll give you that, Sal; Klein’s not especially fast.

          Forasmuch, where Klein compensates is when he chooses to jump in and pursue the play deep into the Offensive Zone, displaying a nice finish. What’d he have: eight or nine goals?

          The dude’s got good hands. When he plays with an edge his value doubles. I say hold onto KK.

      • Hatrick Swayze says:

        He can play comfortably in the middle pair. Some teams, he’d be 3rd pair. All depends on depth chart. Nahsville had him as 3rd RD behind Weber and Seth Jones. We had him 3rd behind Girardi and Stralman. Other times, he was our best RD, like last year). He benefits from playing on the right side and I’d wager would be a comfortable middle pairing plug in on the vast majority of NHL clubs.

        • SalMerc says:

          I agree. If we can get a younger, faster 2-way defenseman, sell high on Klein. Plus, in a year, we may need to open some spots up for the likes of Gropp/Graves. He is not a bad player by any means. I just think we can tweak his position up a level since our hands seem to be tied with Girardi and Staal at the moment.

  6. pas44 says:

    Well said. Nice Read. It’s exciting, I hope Gordan can make a move after the signing happens too, not matter where the kid goes…

    maybe other doors and opportunities will too, once he inks his choice.

    LGR

    I can slightly smell the fall air outside!

    LGR!!!!!!!!!

  7. paulronty says:

    Dave, you report that Vesey is a winger, however, I’ve read in other places he’s a centre. So is he either or? Also the idea that signing Vesey allows the Rangerws to trade Nash doesn’t make sense to me. Vesey is unproven and Rick Nash is a potential 30-35 goal player if healthy, so he is not replaced by Vesey. I’m not for trading Nash, unless it brings back some high quality players.

    • BenM says:

      The idea would be to make a trade from a position where we have strength and depth (winger) to upgrade a position where we lack those (defense, specifically RD).

      While Vesey in no way replaces Nash, it allows Gorton to move Nash as we will have a plethora of NHL ready wingers to fill the void.

      It will certainly be an offensive downgrade, but ideally would bring back a “high quality” first pairing right defenseman.

      Additionally, Vesey is expansion draft exempt which would allow us more flexibility in Spring 2017 (i.e. moving Nash would allow us to keep Fast and Lindberg).

      • Hatrick Swayze says:

        Well done.

      • 43 says:

        Is Nash really worth a first pairing defenseman anymore? All the rumor mills indicate that Gorton tried several times to trade Nash this offseason, but didn’t find any returns he liked. Maybe he’s being greedy. Maybe he was being lowballed. I know the draft isn’t a sellers market, but if no one is offering Gorton a good deal now, will anyone offer one in the future?

        If Nash has a good season, I see him fetching a good return; however, it seems that it’ll take more than just Nash to grab Shattenkirk.

        • Fotiu is God says:

          Forty-three: there’s $7.8M reasons why Jeff Gorton has yet to move Rick Nash.

          On numerous occasions Richter’s mentioned that a deal with Anaheim dissolved at the draft. I have no reason not to believe him.

          At the same time I can still see a trade with St. Louis; it seems within reason that Nash gets us Shattenkirk. One for one.

          Inasmuch, notwithstanding our clear and present need for a smart, puck moving D-man such as Shattenkirk, I see Nash better angled toward a team on the cusp, such as San Jose. Or the LAK. In other words a Western Conference club built for a deep run.

          • 43 says:

            If St. Louis trades Shattenkirk, it’s not from a position of strength, so they won’t have a ton of leverage; however, I feel like he’ll be in such high demand by the trade deadline that they’ll be more compelling offers than just Rick Nash and his exorbitant contract, which St. Louis will pounce on.

            All that aside, as long as we have enough cap space, it seems like a no brainer Shattenkirk joins the Rangers July 1, 2017.

            • Fotiu is God says:

              Forty three, if either one of their collegiate stud D-men, Jordan Schmaltz or Tommy Vannelli makes the jump to the bigs then I beg to differ.

              Given that inevitability, the Blues will be in a position of strength; ergo, Shattenkirk becomes a rather pricey redundancy.

              • 43 says:

                I meant from a position of strength as in they trade him, take what they can get, or he walks for nothing. Not that they don’t have strong defense. I thought this was made clear, but maybe not.

            • supermaz says:

              Shattenkirk is a FA next summer, therefore his trade value should be lower at the deadline.

  8. Richter1994 says:

    I wonder what number he’ll wear.

  9. JerryL says:

    I’m more interested in keeping him away from the Islanders and Boston than caring if he comes to the NYR. The Rangers have a very talented group of young forwards they don’t really need him. It would be disastrous if he goes to the Islanders or Bruins though. Those franchises don’t deserve any breaks.

  10. 43 says:

    If Gorton pulls this off, that’ll be incredible. Wasn’t it only a month ago and we weren’t even really in the conversation, now reports indicate Vesey’s leaning toward NY? Even if he signs elsewhere, you have to admit that despite trading away first round picks over and over again, with guys like Lindberg, Buchnevich, Hayes, and Duclair (dare I include him?), we’ve still managed to snag some talented young players.

    • wwpd says:

      What reports are these? He’s met with 8 teams including the Rangers.

      • 43 says:

        Some stuff on NHL Network, a few insiders stating Rangers were favored. Also, there is an unverified report that he leased a condo with Hayes. That one sounds far-fetched, but seems to come from somewhere and from something.

  11. wwpd says:

    It is nice there is something marginally interesting going on during the hockey wasteland that is August.

    No offense to the Olympic field hockey teams of course.

  12. Walt says:

    I’d like this kid for many reason, one of which is he has size, and he works the boards well. Now I don’t expect anyone coming in and scoring some 35-45 goals, but if he produces 20-25 every year, and some 50-55 points, well I’d be very pleased…………

    He should be on the third line with Buch, and work his way up to the top six, providing he earned it. Jimmy can also take face offs when needed, helping Hayes, where he is at his weakest. Last but not least we have flexibility, and options, and I love options. He can play wing, centre, can score, has size, he seems to be the whole package.

    As for Nash, well if the return is worth the trade, I’d do it, as I would anyone else on the team. I wouldn’t trade just to trade him though……. Bottom line, we won’t know until Jimmy decides, and like most on this site, I’d like him in Ranger blue !!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. Peter says:

    Vesey is a nice player who would be a good addition. But the world won’t end if we can’t sign him. However, I hope we do.

    Although I have advocated trading our older veterans to get young players or prospects, that does not mean trading at all costs. If they can’t get a decent return for Nash, then you don’t trade him. He is a highly skilled player and with all these young forwards feeding him he is bound to have a decent year. Then, you might trade him at the trading deadline to a club willing to part with Dmen or highly rated young prospects.

  14. Robert Skettini says:

    I don’t think anyone expects him to be Crosby, but if you want me to not be excited about the potential of adding two rookies with top 6 potential this year… you got another thing coming. I want this kid, in blue

  15. Leatherneck says:

    He is acting bigger than his breeches, make a decision already boy you had plenty of time to think if your choice was to make a hockey related choice. Prima donna….

    • Andy says:

      AMEN..this is becoming millennial drama…and if Detroit is too far from home isn’t Chicago too?